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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 00:38:20 1997
From: Shannon VanHemert <pyowner@nysernet.org>
Subject: New software woes
Dear PUBYACers,
For the last week and a half we've been using the new Majordomo software,
and as after some furtive testing, and a mistake or two, I think I've got
things figured out. I've revised most of the documents which pertain to
commands and other information you might need to know. After this
document I'll send out the new Welcome message, now known as the Intro.
There are a few changes you may have noticed with this new software, and
frankly, not all of them are good. Each software package has its
peculiarities that can't be changed. I have very little control over the
way the software works (woe is me).
1) The address for commands is different. Instead of e-mailing to
listserv@nysernet.org, you now e-mail to MAJORDOMO@nysernet.org. For
discussion, you continue to mail to the same old pubyac@nysernet.org
2) In the past you may have noticed that messages with the same Re:
subject were sent out one after another. This was especially important
for those of you who receive digests, because you were able to stay on one
"train of thought" until that day's thread was ended. Majordomo does
not
act in quite the same way. I haven't really figured out exactly HOW or
WHY it acts the way it does, but it is certainly not consistent.
3) The digests look different. They still come labeled as digests
(pubyac V1 #3) but unfortunately there is NO LONGER an index at the top of
the message. Several of you have written to ask me to please bring that
index back, and my answer is "I can't." The software doesn't do it. I
am
as distressed as you are!
4) Although you can still receive either digests or individual messages
with the same content, it's almost as though there are two listserves
(kinda, but not really--are you confused yet?) If you want digests, you
must subscribe to pubyac-digest; if you want individual messages, you
subscribe to pubyac. Yes, you could conceivably be subscribed to both and
get everything twice. When the software was converted, depending on how
you had your subscription set, you were put on either the Digest list
(pubyac-digest) or the Individual list (pubyac). Again, both lists get
the same content. Most of you are presently on the Digest list.
5) You can NO LONGER POSTPONE your subscription. Instead you just need to
UNSUBSCRIBE, then resubscribe when you come back from vacation, etc. Of
course, you'll need to unsubscribe from the "format" you receive.
To: majordomo@nysernet.org
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I believe the term "signoff" also works, as in:
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6) Subscribing is a little different too. The listserv no longer cares
what your name is. The command is as follows:
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However, one positive!!!!! If your mail server sometimes adds an extra
term to your e-mail address, you can specify exactly how you want
Majordomo to read your subscription. Just add your preferred e-mail
address to the line, as in:
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7) The PUBYAC archives from the old listserv software are still working
but the newer postings aren't activated yet (postings after July 9). They
are SUPPOSED to be activated in the hopefully not so distant future. You
can still gopher into nysernet and search the archives, or web in by
typing the following URL into your Netscape location box:
gopher://nysernet.org:70/
Archives are in under ftp/listserv/pubyac
8) Because of the rather strange notification I receive for postings (you
saw these in the last batch of postings--the first three that were BOUNCE
with lots of header garbage) it is extremely difficult for me to
communicate with you if you misdirect a posting. This is especially true
for the Stumpers answers. It has been a long-standing policy that
Stumpers go directly to the person who asked the question. Often people
forget or hit the wrong key, and the answer is misdirected to PUBYAC. I
have in the past sent a stock reminder to reply directly to the
asker. I can't do that anymore without taking an inordinate amount of
time. So be aware of where you're sending your message.
9) I've noticed that some messages strangely never get posted. They were
sent out, and just....disappeared! I'll try to keep an eye on this and
see if I can identify a trend or characteristic.
10) I will be going on vacation shortly to an area where logging in will
be difficult. My colleague Elena Rosenfeld will be "babysitting"
in my absence. I hope the bugs will be pretty much worked out before I
leave, but again, any questions can be sent, as always, to
pyowner@nysernet.org
Thanks for your patience during this transition period.
Shannon VanHemert
PUBYAC Moderator
pyowner@nysernet.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 00:38:34 1997
From: Shannon VanHemert <pyowner@nysernet.org>
Subject: New Welcome message to PUBYAC (Intro)
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 00:46:47 1997
From: WDSPC02@FRONT1.cpl.org
Subject: RE: Alternative magazines for teen girls
In addition to Blue Jean, there is Empowered Young Females. I have not
looked closely at either. EYF is also on the web www.eyf.com.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 00:47:44 1997
From: Jeri Kladder <jkladder@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
ubject: Re: Incentive for YA Reading
I'll put my two cents worth at the front so, if you've read the entire,
you won't have to wade through it again to see my comments, but I felt my
comments wouldn't be noticed if appended to the end...
Doesn't this strike anyone else as demeaning to give away a
developing country's "worthless" currency as a Summer Reading Program
prize? I think this is extraordinarily insensitive.
Show the kids foreign currencies. Talk about the country, the
people. Explain what the different symbols and words mean...yes. But
give it away because it is worth nothing? What kind of message is that to
give about how you treat another country's documents???
Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now. Jeri Kladder, World Traveller
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 00:48:27 1997
From: CSD Assistant <hlewis@kokomo.lib.in.us>
Subject: RE: incentive for YA reading
We have been using foreign currency as an incentive for our kids who
read a "Bonus" book (from specific non-fiction areas). Response has
been overwhelmingly positive - we've had to re-order twice. The kids
have even been coming up with other ways that they can get the currency.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 00:48:55 1997
From: flanders@idir.net (Bruce Flanders)
ubject: alternative to slide
We have a plastic slide in the children's room at our library, which was placed
there many years ago to provide an alternative to kids climbing on shelves...
Our philosophy has changed with the arrival of a new youth services coordinator
and we wish to remove this "community fixture" with an alternative
form of
interactive play for kids that is more low-key in nature.
We would be interested to hear from anyone who has considered this issue, or
who has good ideas relating to learning centers, which are appropriate for
public
library children's rooms, and which do not encourage rough play and competition.
Thanks in advance for any ideas you may have for us.
-- Bruce Flanders, Director phone: (913) 843-3833
Lawrence Public Library fax: (913) 843-3368
707 Vermont Street email: flanders@idir.net
Lawrence, KS 66044-2371 WWW: www.ci.lawrence.ks.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 00:49:20 1997
From: "Burt, David" <DBurt@ci.oswego.or.us>
Subject: www.filteringfacts.org
Announcing a new organization and website, Filtering Facts
(www.filteringfacts.org)
Filtering facts is a non-profit organization that promotes the
acceptability of filtering in libraries. Our primary purpose is to
publicize the "other side" of the filtering in libraries debate. To
date, the debate has been dominated by the American Library Association
Office of Intellectual Freedom, the American Civil Liberties Union, and
other organizations which take an extreme stand on free speech. The
result of this one-sided debate has been that much of the media and
public have believed what ALA/OIF's says about filters.
We believe that libraries have the right to offer the kind of Internet
service they want. We do not believe that libraries are obligated to
offer everything on the Internet. We believe in exercising selection of
Internet resources. We believe in exercising our professional judgment
in the use of the Internet.
Filtering Facts began, appropriately enough, on the Internet. Filtering
was attacked by many in our profession. A few librarians spoke up on
library discussion lists in defense of filtering, and we were attacked
too. We were censured by our colleagues and called censors. Our point of
view was excluded at ALA conferences. But we would not remain silent.
We are seeking to organize pro-filtering librarians around the country
to actively counter the efforts of the ALA Office of Intellectual
Freedom. We have begun contacting the media to insure that our point of
view is represented in future news stories about filtering in libraries.
We have begun publishing articles in support of filtering in our
professional literature. We have begun to demand that our voices be
heard at conferences and workshops.
Our Goals
* Educate the public and media about Internet software filters.
* Encourage libraries to voluntarily adopt filters.
* Offer our support to libraries that implement filters.
* Persuade the American Library Association to rescind its
"Resolution on the
use of filtering software in libraries", and adopt a more tolerant
view of filtering .
* Persuade the American Library Association to adopt a "hands off"
policy toward
libraries that filter.
David Burt, President and Founder, Filtering Facts
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 00:49:23 1997
From: Tamatha Williams <twilliam@clsn1269.cumberland.lib.nc.us>
Subject: Core competencies
Hi, everyone. A couple of other childrens librarians and I have
been charged with developing a set of "core competencies" for
the Childrens Librarian I's in our system.
We're already doing literature searches and contacting our state
library, but we were wondering if anyone else out there had such
a list and would be willing to share them - and any opinions on
their use/usefulness.
We'll be limiting our list to around 25 core competencies,
but are interested in seeing everything we can, in order to
see what fits best with the work we do in our system.
Thanks
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| Tammy Williams My opinions are my own - |
| Children's Librarian however odd they may be. |
| Cliffdale Branch Library My life is the product of a |
| twilliam@cumberland.lib.nc.us diseased mind, and I love it. |
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 00:49:42 1997
From: "Kathy George" <kgeorge@xyz.net>
Subject: WW I for juveniles
I want to buy some interesting, easy-to-read, fiction and
non-fiction about WW I for middle school age readers. It's
definitely a gap in our collection. I've not had much luck
finding anything at all for this time period in history and
this age group. I'm looking for something that makes history
come alive! Thanks for any suggestions.
Kathy George
kgeorge@xyz.net
Homer Public Library
141 West Pioneer Avenue
Homer, AK 99603
907-235-3180
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 00:49:51 1997
From: Schmidt <mschmidt@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: stumper
Another brain picker. . .aside from 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea is anyone
aware of science fiction title(s) taking place undersea, in the ocean, or
having whales or fish as main character? Patron also needs this title to
focus on a third grade reading level or thereabouts. I'v checked the
typical sources, no luck. Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Mary Schmidt
Children's Services, West Babylon PL, NY
mschmidt@suffolk.lib.ny
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 00:49:59 1997
From: Anne Leon <sweetie@bc.seflin.org>
ubject: stumper-boy/wolf
Patron pleads: 20 years ago read this wonderful story: boy found by wolf
(rescued), travels with him through adventures in Alaska or Canada???LOTS
OF SNOW. It's not call of the wild or white fang. This isn't much to go
on but maybe it'll jog someone's memory.TIA
that's my story and i'm stickin' to it
Anne Leon
sweetie@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 23:54:09 1997
From: Mary Driscoll <driscoll@scls.lib.wi.us>
ubject: Thrasher Magazine
Hi! We just got a challenge on Thrasher Magazine which is in our young
adult area. The patron objects to the language and feels it's degrading to
women (many pictures of scantily clad women).
Has anyone else been challenged? Please email me with any info you
might have. I'll let the listserve know of the outcome.
Thanks!
Mary Driscoll
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 23:54:09 1997
From: Amy Paget <amypaget@tcpl.lib.in.us>
ubject: Evaluation of Childrens' Reference Services
We would like to evaluate the quality of the reference service we offer to
children. Most of the models we have seen do not seem to address the
childrens' services environments. Would anyone who is pleased with their
own evaluation program please send the details of it and literature
references if available DIRECTLY TO:
Winnie Adler (windler@tcpl.lib.in.us)
Tippecanoe County Public Library
627 South Street
Lafayette, Indiana 47901
Phone 765-429-0119
Faxx: 765-429-0150
Winnie will be pleased to post a consolidation of her findings sometime in
the fall. Thank you
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 23:54:10 1997
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: Incentive for YA[sic - Kids'] Reading
On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Jeri Kladder wrote:
On giving away inexpensive foreign currency to kids....
>
> Doesn't this strike anyone else as demeaning to give away a
> developing country's "worthless" currency as a Summer Reading
Program
> prize? I think this is extraordinarily insensitive.
> Show the kids foreign currencies. Talk about the country, the
> people. Explain what the different symbols and words mean...yes. But
> give it away because it is worth nothing? What kind of message is that to
> give about how you treat another country's documents???
> Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now. Jeri Kladder, World Traveller
>
Joyless, hyper-sensitive librarians of the world unite. We have another
spokesperson. The currency is given away as a PRIZE for learning
about/appreciating another country. It's a REWARD, something for the kid
to treasure and get excited about. The fact that it's something the
average incredibly-strapped-for-cash children's librarian can afford
because (REAL WORLD FACT) it costs very little - "virtually worthless"
-
in U.S. money is a bonus.
The idea was clever, but natch, given half an opportunity, a librarian has
to whine about it.
Kirsten Anne Edwards "I wonder what they *do* teach them at
kirstedw@kcls.org these schools" - Prof. Digory Kirke
>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 23:54:13 1997
From: "libby murdaugh" <llmmurdaugh@hotmail.com>
Subject: Thank you
Libby Murdaugh
llmmurdaugh@hotmail.com
R.C.P.S., Bamberg,SC
I am a new subscriber. If you have any information that might
be helpful, please let me hear from you. I teach first grade
in Bamberg, SC.
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 23:54:18 1997
From: khurson@imcpl.lib.in.us
Subject: library/teacher/school cooperation
In preparation for the coming school year, our branch library would like to
contact school principals/librarians/teachers to ask to speak at staff
meetings, to introduce ourselves, but mainly to encourage teachers to give
us their homework assingments and readinglists in advance. If anyone has
any forms, letters, ideas, please let me know.
Thanks.
Kim Hurson
Children's librarian
Indianapolis-Marion County Public Library
Indianapolis, IN
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 23:54:26 1997
From: JEckert <JEckert@wmrls.org>
Subject: Summer Reading Photos on the Web
Greetings fellow PUBYACers!
This summer, the Massachusetts Regional Library Systems' statewide summer
reading program is called Celebrate! Read!. For the first time in our
program history, we are posting photos of individual library celebrations
on our summer program web site. Because our theme is a celebration of
reading (which we all do all the time), we feel that you might enjoy our
photo showcase. Our URL is http://www.wmrls.org/showcase.html
Hope that you will visit us soon!
Sincerely,
janet eckert
western massachusetts regional library system
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 23:54:38 1997
From: "Van Aken-Sanks, Cornelia"
<Cornelia.VanAken-Sanks@ci.sj.ca.us>
ubject: Class visits and tours
I apologize for reopening an issue I'm sure you've recently
discussed, but evidently our fire wall prevents us from searching
the archive; hopefully we will gain access to the archive soon!
We are revamping our procedures for hosting class visits and
tours. We are a large main public library branch (3 public floors)
downtown with only a small local clientele. We don't have any classes
which come here on a regular, weekly basis. However, many
schools come to explore the library and area museums.
We are looking for information such as:
Do you require reservations?
How long are tours?
What do you include in the tour?
Do you offer standardized tour packages for different age levels, or is
every tour structured according to the individual needs of the group?
Do you send a confirming letter?
What do you do when groups arrive late (like l/2 hour or more?)
What do you do when unscheduled groups arrive? (One morning we
had 6 unscheduled classes - about 250 people - arrive all at once.)
And so on!
If you have any print materials pertaining to class visits and tours, we
would love to see it. Please send any responses directly to me at:
Cornelia Van Aken-Sanks
Youth Services
Martin Luther KIng, Jr. Main Library
San Jose Public Library
180 W. San Carlos St.
San Jose, CA 95113-2005
cornelia.vanaken-sanks@ci.sj.ca.us
Thank you!
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jul 23 23:54:57 1997
From: *Deborah Taylor 396-5356 <dtaylor@epfl2.epflbalto.org>
Subject: YA Book Discussion Planned in Honor of Margaret Edwards
Please post the following conference information.
Rita Williams-Garcia, author of LIKE SISTERS ON THE HOMEFRONT,
BLUE TIGHTS, and FAST TALK ON A SLOW TRACK will be the featured speaker
at "Books for the Beast", the fourth Maragret A. Edwards Day, in
Baltimore, Maryland on Saturday, October 25, 1997 at Roland Park Country
School. This professional development day will include participant
discussions of young adult books in categories of Historical Fiction,
Multi-culture, Real Life, Science-Fiction/Fantasy, and Suspense/Horror.
The day will also offer a panel of librarians and young adults, who will
discuss new young adult/adult books for for young adults, published since
the last "Books for the Beast" conference. Registration is $40.00,
including lunch. The conference is open to fifty young adults, free of
charge. The registration deadline has been extended to
September 15, 1997.
for more information, contact Deborah Taylor or Monalisa DeGross at (410)
396-5356, dtaylor@mail.pratt.lib.md.us
Visit the "Books for the Beast" web site
http://www.pratt.lib.us/beast/
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