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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 13:18:22 1997
From: rgwd@sprynet.com
Subject: Scale Stumoer Issue
Whew!! Obviously, we have hit on a universal concern of public
librarians. At our library, we too have assignments that it seems the
teacher must have dreamed up in a fit of vengence against children!
Everything from finding "a restaurant of today based on a figure from
Armenian mythology" (?!?) to "a book that must be at least hundred
pages
on (Some obscure person)." Does anyone have any brilliant ideas out
there? We have tried EVERYTHING, from assignment alert forms to teacher
teas trying to get educators to contact us in advance of assignments. We
even provided envelopes with postage on them for teachers to return the
assignment forms to us and did not get one single response. (I wonder
what they REALLY did with those envelopes.) The sad thing is, some of
the school librarians in our district are former public librarians and
know the problem well, but have been no help either. Short of having
spies in each class, what can we do? This problem happens with all grade
levels. Is there a teacher listserv that we can discuss this problem
with? Should we send copies of our comments to LM-Net, hoping school
librarians will pass the information along? Any suggestions from
PUBYACers are welcome. Reply to me or to the list.
Robin Davis, Youth Services Librarian
Hurst Public Library, Hurst, TX
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 13:18:23 1997
From: dherald@wic.net (Diana Herald)
Subject: Re: sociology of librarianship(long, but important)
I really believe that the future is in Readers' Advisory. More and more
patrons I talk to are using technology on their own from home for
reference but are clueless as to finding recreational reading they will
like. While information is fine to read on a screen one wants to curl up
with a real book for leisure reading.
In MEGATRENDS many years ago Naisbitt wrote about the importance of
"high touch" as the world gets more high tech. This is a function
served
by readers' advisory.
If you look at the demographics we are in the midst of a new baby boom.
If we don't want to throw away our kids and want to make our world a
better and safer place to live in we need to really concentrate on YA
services. I think children's services are firmly entrenched and
essential and that the public perceives this benefit. So to sum it up...
if we (as citizens) wisely pick our priorities, youth services for
children and teens will grow.
--
Happy reading,
D
dherald@wic.net
See the Genreflecting Page at http://www.mancon.com/genre
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 13:18:23 1997
From: Walter Minkel <walterm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us>
Subject: Re: pvc puppet stage
I've built a _bunch_ of PVC stages, and they work just fine, IMHO. Wood
stages weigh a ton, unless you use stretcher bars (for canvases used in
painting) covered with upholstery material (upholstery mat'l is for
opaqueness), hinged together with woven strapping. If your stage will
never be moved, you can build it out of anything. If you're going to move
it from place to place (as I did for 17 years & several thousand shows)
PVC works really well, plus it's a lot cheaper & easier to work with. The
finished stage will wobble a bit if you're an, um, energetic performer (I
incorporated the wobbliness into my shows; I never used close-the-curtain
scene changes, & my characters would always go "down" & bustle
around,
making comments & singing little songs, & then bring up the scenery
& set
it up themselves.) When you perform for preschoolers (as I imagine most
public librarians do, primarily), the action should never stop. It's fun
to work out ways to always have something going on.--W
On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 StoryPage@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 97-10-24 14:03:26 EDT, you write:
>
> <<
> Does anyone have directions/plans on how to build a small to medium puppet
> stage from pvc pipe? We could adapt larger plans.
> >>
>
> Are you sure you want to go pvc? My experience is they are a pain in the
> neck and not as easily assembled as you might think. A simple wood frame
> stage hinged together with loose pin hinges covered by a curtain that you
can
> velcro to it is faster to assemble, has fewer pieces, and is just as light.
>
> --Jim Maroon
>
>
Walter Minkel, School Corps Technology Trainer
Multnomah County Library, 205 NE Russell St., Portland, OR 97212
Voice (503)736-6002; fax (503)248-5441; walterm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us
==============
O gnats--tango! --Palindrome-of-the-month Club
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 13:18:22 1997
From: StoryPage@aol.com
Subject: Re: flannel stories -Reply
In a message dated 97-10-24 19:30:51 EDT, you write:
<< We find magnet board stories to meet our needs better than felt.
>>
Perhaps you haven't tried the right resource. Judy Sierra's _Flannelboard
Storytelling Book_ is the best I''ve seen for ease of duplication, excellence
of stories,
and appropriateness for story time programs. And it's much better than any
commercial flannel story vendor I've seen. I can't picture a children's
services program that doesn't use it.
--Jim Maroon
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 13:19:54 1997
From: Erin Gallagher <gallaghe@noblenet.org>
Subject: Re: Problem solving
Dear Holly,
As I had mentioned in my post, I am a certified teacher, and I was taught
in my teacher education classes not to give an assignment I could not do
myself at the local library, and to make sure there were enough resources
for everyone. I think the assignment to which you refer in your post
(bird-watching, building the bird house, etc.) is a good example of an
open-ended assignment that sounds appropriate for a high school level
student.
My problem is with the assignments teachers give without giving regard to
the age of the student or resources available. Education majors are now
taught to do everything with a thematic approach. This is great, however
it does not always work, and teachers do not know how to bend a little.
The math assignment is not always going to fit into your history of
colonial America unit. Don't force a seven year old
to find out how much a house may have cost 200 years ago so that you can
fit in your math criteria. I believe this is part of the problem..
Teachers feel pressured to follow these units. Often times these ideas
come out of pre-fab unit books available at teacher's bookstores.
As a children's librarian, I take a lot of my work home. I want to be
prepared for my storyhours, and I'm constantly in bookstores looking for
current releases I'd like to order. I update my website from home. I see
know reason why a teacher can't take an hour or so of their time before
assigning a major project to be sure that their local library will be able
to assist their students. I know for a fact that some of the teachers in
my area refuse to remain even 30 minutes after school. We tried to have
them do so that we could present some new books and talk about our new
Website. Their union rep came right to the library and complained. It is
incidents such as these that make me wonder why some teachers chose their
profession. I feel like we're here to help, and they don't want it, even
refuse it.
It is only through my own experience as a teacher that I feel I can make
these points.
Thanks,
Erin
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Erin Gallagher | Peabody Institute Library
Head of Children's Services | Peabody, Massachusetts
gallagher@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange*
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 13:20:10 1997
From: "Linda Peterson" <lpeterson@bloomfield.lib.in.us>
Subject: Re: YA program incentives
We get video stores to give us coupons that can be used for either a free
video rental or a game cartridge rental. These seem to be popular.
Linda Peterson
lpeterson@bloomfield.lib.in.us
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> From: Rosemary Moran <rmoran@ns1.tccl.lib.ok.us>
> To: pubyac@nysernet.org
> Subject: YA program incentives
> Date: Thursday, October 23, 1997 9:09 AM
>
>
> I've been asked by one of our branch librarians to ask about offering
> incentives to encourage or entice young adults to come to library
programs.
> He's thinking about offering prizes such as posters or free books to try
> to encourage attendance. If any one has experience out there with such
> offerings, would you please reply directly to me and let me know what's
> been most successful? We'd really appreciate it. Thanks....Rosemary
Moran
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 13:20:22 1997
From: "Linda Peterson" <lpeterson@bloomfield.lib.in.us>
Subject: Magic bag
Does anyone have instructions for a magic bag in which you look in once and
it is empty, but there is a second compartment that you can reach into and
produce items? I saw this used several years ago as a story hour device but
can't remember where.
Linda Peterson
lpeterson@bloomfield.lib.in.us
Bloomfield-Eastern Greene Co. P.L.
125 S. Franklin
Bloomfield, IN. 47424
Fax 812 384 0820
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 13:20:50 1997
From: jholm@thomaston.lib.me.us
Subject: A to Zoo
In the listserve, librarians keep referring to "A to Zoo". I am not
familiar with it and would like some information. Is it on the net or
is it a book. How do I get to see it?
Please e-mail me womeone!
jholm@thomaston.lib.me.us
Thanks!!!!
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 13:21:09 1997
From: "Van Aken-Sanks, Cornelia" <Cornelia.VanAken-Sanks@ci.sj.ca.us>
ubject: impossible assignments, cont.
Yes, we do have a form we give to children when we are
unable to find adequate materials for an assignment. We also
have a brochure entitled "Tips for Teachers" which we encourage
teachers to use, and we do contact teachers directly. Unfortunately,
the ones who need help and advice most seldom take
advantage of it. When I worked as a school librarian, I urged
all my teachers to give me assignment alerts. Only 1 teacher did.
I suspect that some of these assignments are the result of late-night
flights of fancy in preparation for the next week's work. No doubt
some teachers get a wake-up call when the kids are unable to
turn in their homework, but there are always new teachers, and we all
get dumb ideas now and again. I just wish the kids didn't have
to suffer for it. So! We too keep on trying (while we bless all those
other teachers who create thoughtful and effective assignments for
their kids.)
Cornelia Van Aken-Sanks
San Jose Public Library
San Jose, CA
cornelia.vanaken-sanks@ci.sj.ca.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 13:21:21 1997
From: HOKE@crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.us
Subject: Magnet stories
We too use magnet stories rather than flannel stories bacause they are easy
to copy and color. You can enlarge on the copy machine if necessary and
coloring in a picture is a lot easier for me. (I am a very poor artist!)
We also laminate the pictures. (Before we had a laminator we used contact
paper which is OK, but yellows after awhile.) We then put a copy of the
story, fingerplay, whatever along with the pieces which are numbered in a
manila folder and place them in our file. They can be used many times
over.
Some time ago be purchased boards from Judi Instructo, I believe, which
have a flannel board on one side and the other is a combination
magnet/chalkboard. Although you wouldn't want to drag this around every
day all day, it is pretty portable. Without measuring, I would say it is
36"x24" and not heavy, just awkward to carry around a lot. They ran
around
$40.00 about 10 years ago, as I recall.
Carol Hoke
Children's Services Manager
Cedar Rapids Public Library
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Hoke@crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 13:21:45 1997
From: NANCYCY@dsl.rhilinet.gov
Subject: James Herriot
When I was planning a discussion series on Arthurian literature last
winter, many of you provided great reading suggestions. This winter, I am
planning a series featuring the writings of James Herriot, a very popular
author among YA's and adults at our library. I am hoping to attract kids
and their parents, and may feature a vet speaking about workign with
animals, a slide presentation by a patron who visited the Yorkshire Dales,
etc. I am wondering if anyone has offered a similar program. If so, what
works did you read? Did you read whole books, or just select a few
stories? If so, which ones? Thanks.
Nan Christy
Barrington (RI) Public Library
From: NANCYCY@DSL.RHILINET.GOV
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 13:21:55 1997
From: karen wendt <kmwendt@scls.lib.wi.us>
ubject: stumper rely-science magazine
Thank you all for your participation in sending ideas for science magazine
for a well-read six year-old.
Kids Discover, Odyssey, Muse (new from Smithsonian), Click! and the
well-known magazines, Ranger Rick, 321 Contact, and National
Geographic--were all suggested. Thanks to: Barbara, Marcia, Jodi, Dallas,
Amy, Holly and Karen.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kmwendt@scls.lib.wi.us
Karen M. Wendt, Children's and Young Adult Coordinator
Monona Public Library
1000 Nichols Road, Monona WI 53716
608-222-6127
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 13:22:22 1997
From: karen wendt <kmwendt@scls.lib.wi.us>
ubject: BIB: whale, dolphin books
Here is a list of books that came from all of you answering a stumper from a
while back regarding books to interest and 11 year-old on the subject of
whales and dolphins. The patron was happy with the list.
Stranded by Ben Mikaelson, A Ring of Endless Light by Madeleine L'Engle,
Whalesingers by Welwyn Katz, My Sister Sif by Ruth Park, The Music of
Dolphins by Karen Hesse, Shadow Shark by Colin Thiele, Danger, Dolphins adn
Ginger Beer by John Vigor, Wavebender by Daniel Au Fond, Beachmaster by Tom
Shachtman, also by Tom is Driftwhistler, The STory of Three Whales: a true
adventure by Giles Whittell, Whale Watch by Ada & Frank Graham, Dolphin
Adventure and Dolphin Treasure both by Wayne Grover, Voyage of the Frog by
Gary Paulsen. Thanks.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kmwendt@scls.lib.wi.us
Karen M. Wendt, Children's and Young Adult Coordinator
Monona Public Library
1000 Nichols Road, Monona WI 53716
608-222-6127
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 13:24:27 1997
From: Carolyn Caywood <carolyn@infi.net>
Subject: Re: sociology of librarianship
Remember those ads that suggested parents should buy their kids an
encyclopedia set so they wouldn't have to go to the library?
I have a bet on that print encyclopedias won't even be purchasable
after 2000. I'm not worried about the public library disappearing.
Carolyn
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 13:25:09 1997
From: Carolyn Caywood <carolyn@infi.net>
Subject: Re: quote origins -- try Stumpers
For this kind of question, I strongly recommend a visit to the archive
of the Stumpers reference question list. I know this one is in it.
http://www.cuis.edu/~stumpers/intro.html
I know some librarians are reluctant to join Stumpers because of the
high traffic, but you can still use the archive which has a good
search engine, defaulting to "and", so just enter a string of keywords
and experiment.
(On Stumpers, I refer folks to Pubyac for that dimly remembered story
from one's long ago youth.)
Carolyn Caywood
>
> A patron has requested the origin of the quote "Do not judge a man
until
> you have walked a mile in his moccasins." I understand that it is an
> American Indian proverb. If you have more information or if I don't have
> the quote correct, please respond.
>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 13:25:34 1997
From: Sandy Farmer <sfarmer@sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us>
ubject: RE: Flannel Stories-Source
The Story Teller
11204 Jereme Trail
Frisco, TX 75035
1-800-615-4371 972-335-8676
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Name: Sandy Farmer
E-mail: Sandy Farmer <sfarmer@hpl.lib.tx.us>
Date: 10/25/97
Time: 17:49:16
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 13:26:08 1997
From: Jane Halsall <halsall@imaxx.net>
ubject: Pop-ups and comics in libraries
My library gets numerous requests for "pop-up books,"
"interactive books,"
"toy books," etc. as well as many requests for comic books.
Traditionally,
we have always given the answer that the books simply don't last.
As patron requests continue and as these "interactive books" are
becoming
very well done, I'd like to hear what other library's issues and policies
are with them.
INTERACTIVE BOOKS:
1) Has your library ever circulated them and if not, what are the reasons?
2) If your library does circulate them, what are the problems you
encounter? Are they popular?
3) Do you have built-in replacement costs in the budget for them? What new
procedures/policies did you have to instigate?
COMIC BOOKS:
1) Does your library circulate comic books? What are the problems, if any,
with them?
2) Which comic books series do you carry? Are they popular items?
3) Do you have built-in replacement costs in the budget for them? Are they
simply treated like serials and nor replaced? What new procedures/policies
did you have to instigate?
4) Have patrons ever challenged the comic books for any reason?
Please reply to Jane Halsall <halsall@imaxx.net>
Thank you.
Jane Halsall
<halsall@imaxx.net>
Young People's Services
The McHenry Public Library District
McHenry, IL 60050
I will share the results with the PUBYAC subscribers.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 13:26:08 1997
From: MaryAnn Sibrava <msibrava@nslsilus.org>
ubject: Filmstrip archive
This is my first posting on PUBYAC--thanks for your help!--
Does anyone have information about an archive for filmstrips? We have
weeded about 200 filmstrips from our youth collection and would be
interested in sending them to such an archive. Please respond to me
directly and I will compile info and share. Thanks.
Mary Ann Sibrava, Youth Services
Mount Prospect Public Library
Mount Prospect, IL
msibrava@mppl.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 14:13:17 1997
From: Becky Smith <bsmith@inter.state.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Stumper: Brave Tailor
I have a patron looking for a picture book ("beautifully illustrated")
she read in 1992, about a tailor making trousers for a king, who is
threatened by a giant. Does this sound familiar to anyone? It is
*not* "The Brave Little Tailor" (the seven-at-one-blow fairy tale).
--
Becky Smith
Children's Librarian
Logan (UT) Library
bsmith@inter.state.lib.ut.us
http://www.logan.lib.ut.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"We learn from history that we do not learn anything from history."
-Mark Twain-
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 14:13:23 1997
From: roger hall <rdhall@iclub.org>
ubject: Christmas Stumper
Thank you to all those wonderful librarians who took the time to answer
(even sometimes including pub, date and ISBN). The book is The Tale of the
Three Trees by Angela Elwell Hunt, pub by Lion Pub. Co., 1989, ISBN 0745917437
For those of you who have not read this very moving story, and who are
always looking for quality Christmas books, order it for Christmas and I
know you will be very pleased.
Thank you all very much. Anne Hall
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 14:13:39 1997
From: Rsponaas@aol.com
Subject: Cheerleading directory
Rita Hunt's <rhunt@redrose.net> recent request for good cheerleading
titles
reminded me of a new directory that is hard to find since it is published
privately, but is really great. It's the "College Cheerleading Guide."
I
think the latest issue is
1997-98, but they could be calling it 1998-99, since they try to get the info
for the
upcoming school year.
It lists over 400 colleges/universities that offer cheerleading as part of
their atheletic curriculum, gives try-out requirements, academic requirements
(what GPA you
have to maintain), whether scholarships are available - yes, it's become such
a recognized sport that scholarships are now offered by many schools! -
coaches names, etc. Average of 3/4 page per entry. Paperback, but sturdy.
Nicely printed.
This is the only guide of it's type that I know of, and the only reason I ran
across it is that it's produced locally. Cheerleading has always been big in
South Carolina, and since it was just given status last year as a
state-recognized high school team sport, it has recently seen an even greater
popularity.
If you're interested, ordering info is as follows:
Nichols, Chase & Sandra
College Cheerleading Guide. $12.00 / copy + $2.00 S&H. Chase Nichols,
Inc.
10 Greyleaf Ct, Simpsonville, SC 29681. (864) 963-0802. ISBN-0965617904
It's in its 2nd edition now, with yearly updates planned.
Susan Sponaas, Children's Room Supervisor
Greenville (SC) County Library <RSponaas@aol.com>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 14:14:04 1997
From: Janet Otto <otto@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Sharing Children's Literature
The fourth annual children's literature festival will be held at the
Champaign Public Library, 505 South Randolph, Champaign, Illinois on
November 7th from 9 am - 4 pm.
The events of the day include:
For Story's Sake: Reading As Its Own Reward
Janice DelNegro, Editor of the Bulletin of the Center for Children's Book
Fable Attraction: The Continuing Popularity of Aesop's Fables
Denise Anton Wright, Author and Interim Head of Special Collections and
the Rare Book Room - Illinois State University
Through the Looking Glass: Visual Thinking Strategies for Picture Books
Janie Schomberg, Librarian - Leal Elementary School
Nothing But The Truth: Outstanding Nonfiction for Kindergartners through
3rd Graders - Staff of the Urbana Free Library, Urbana, Il.
A Chorus of Visions: Multicultural Literature for Preschool through
Primary Grades
Trudy Lindsey, Librarian - Douglass Branch Library, Champaign, Il.
Tell 'Em Stories: Traditional Tales That Delight Real Kids
Janice N. Harrington, Librarian - Champaign Public Library
Literature and Arts Showcase
Kate Kuper: Words Alive!
A 30-minute showcase of poetry and dance.
In addition, there will be a Brown Baggers' Lunch Meeting with a
presentation on Multimedia Storytimes for Young Children and Book Exhibits
which will include award-winning books, rare children's books, children's
magazines and more.
Janet Otto
Youth Librarian
Champaign Public Library
505 South Randolph
(217) 356-3980
otto@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 14:14:07 1997
From: karen wendt <kmwendt@scls.lib.wi.us>
ubject: Stumper reply--comic book style
Thanks to all who suggested books for the 2nd grade student who is capable
but reluctant to write. They will be passed on to the teacher.
James Stevenson, Brian Pinkney "The Adventures of Sparrowboy", Ian
Robinson's Rupert Bear, "Meanwhile" by Jules Feiffer, "The
Incredible
Paintings of Felix Clousseau" by Jon Agee, "The Mysteries of Harris
Burdick"
by Chris VanAllburg, The Speedster series, including "Rhymin' Simon and the
Mystery of the Fat Cat" by Bill Apablasa, "Desperate For a Dog"
by Rose
Impey, "Harvey and Rosie--and Ralph by Margaret Park. Thanks to all who
sent
suggestions!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kmwendt@scls.lib.wi.us
Karen M. Wendt, Children's and Young Adult Coordinator
Monona Public Library
1000 Nichols Road, Monona WI 53716
608-222-6127
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 14:14:15 1997
From: Ruth Lufkin <lufkin@gti.net>
Subject: Thanks re Stumper: Witch cats with evil/good eye.
Special thanks to Donna Scott and Amy Howlett who sent word that the book
about witches with black and yellow cats with "evil eyes" and
"good eyes"
that my colleague remembers so fondly is Mary Calhoun's "The Witch of
Hissing Hill." (Morrow, 1964)
We will be getting it through ILL later in the week, and my friend is
DELIGHTED! and amazed at the collective mind of PUBYAC!!
Thanks again!
Ruth L.
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( Ruth Lufkin ) [lufkin@gti.net]
Acting Children's Librarian
Bernards Township Library, Basking Ridge, NJ
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 14:14:19 1997
From: "Allison J. Enger" <aenger@monroe.lib.mi.us>
Subject: stumper--Folktale collection
Hello,
We have a patron looking for a folk tale collection he checked out from us
last year. It was a collection of tales with pictures and an appendix
which talked about how folk tales are found in many form in many countries
(story is the same, names change). Gingerbread may be in the title.
He thought the book was a new one. I think it would be catalogued in the
398's. We searched our catalogue, I checked A-Zoo, nothing.
Does this sound familiar to anyone? All help is appreciated.
Thanks, Allison
Allison J. Enger, Dundee Branch Library aenger@monroe.lib.mi.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 14:14:32 1997
From: "new haven" <elmnewhaven@hotmail.com>
Subject: stumper - witch named Dorinda
A patron wants information re character from a fairytale - a witch named
Dorinda. She wants to know what Fairytale she is from - thinks it might
be a fairytale from the Middle Ages. We've checked The Storyteller's
Sourcebook already. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Rachael Sherwood, Children's Librarian
New Haven Free Public Library
New Haven, Connecticut
e-mail: elmnewhaven@hotbot.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 14:14:58 1997
From: Victoria Kozich <vkozich@amon.pub-lib.ci.fort-worth.tx.us>
ubject: HELP
I have a question about a book. When I was working in Wisconsin, there
was a juvenile picture book at the Racine Public Library about a dog who
had terrible bad breath and he chased everyone away because of this
problem. In the end, he becomes a hero because a robber brakes into his
house and the dog knocks him out by breathing on him. Is anyone
familiar with this title? I'd like to order the book for my current
system, but have been unable to remember the title or author, as it has
been almost 2 years since I have seen the book. Please respond directly
to me. Thanks in advance.
From: Victoria Kozich <vkozich@amon.pub-lib.ci.fort-worth.tx.us>
-Victoria Kozich
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* Views represented are strictly personal and *DO NOT* *
* represent those of the Fort Worth Public Library. *
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 17:29:38 1997
From: Walter Minkel <walterm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us>
Subject: Re: sociology of librarianship(long, but important)
On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, Diana Herald wrote:
> I really believe that the future is in Readers' Advisory. More and more
> patrons I talk to are using technology on their own from home for
> reference but are clueless as to finding recreational reading they will
> like. While information is fine to read on a screen one wants to curl up
> with a real book for leisure reading.
Readers' advisory will always be with us, but where I've worked it has
always been--& continues to be--a small percentage of over-the-desk work
(maybe 10% of young people's questions) in a public library.
The rest is homework & personal interest (non-fiction) questions. As far
as searching the Net from home goes, I recently read that only 14% of
young people say they "use the Internet"--and then mostly at school.
Only
about 25% of American households have a computer with a modem, and many of
these are households without young people under 18. So libraries will
definitely have a need to provide Net access far into the forseeable
future.
I still see many young people who have real difficulty using a
computer--often because they can neither type nor spell--and if they are
able to find websites using a search engine or subject directory, they
can't evaluate them well. I think our role in the future will be much more
in the direction of "information literacy"--as in how to tell whether
this
page is put up by one guy with strong (but not necessarily accurate)
feelings on a topic, or has been placed there by an institution or another
authority with a reputation and is kept updated regularly. --W
Walter Minkel, School Corps Technology Trainer
Multnomah County Library, 205 NE Russell St., Portland, OR 97212
Voice (503)736-6002; fax (503)248-5441; walterm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us
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O gnats--tango! --Palindrome-of-the-month Club
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 17:29:50 1997
From: schachtc@lcm.macomb.lib.mi.us
Subject: Scale Stumoer Issue
PU>Whew!! Obviously, we have hit on a universal concern of public
PU>librarians. At our library, we too have assignments that it seems the
PU>teacher must have dreamed up in a fit of vengence against children!
PU>Everything from finding "a restaurant of today based on a figure from
PU>Armenian mythology" (?!?) to "a book that must be at least
hundred pages
PU>on (Some obscure person)." Does anyone have any brilliant ideas out
PU>there? We have tried EVERYTHING, from assignment alert forms to teacher
PU>teas trying to get educators to contact us in advance of assignments. We
PU>even provided envelopes with postage on them for teachers to return the
PU>assignment forms to us and did not get one single response. (I wonder
PU>what they REALLY did with those envelopes.) The sad thing is, some of
PU>the school librarians in our district are former public librarians and
PU>know the problem well, but have been no help either. Short of having
PU>spies in each class, what can we do? This problem happens with all grade
PU>levels. Is there a teacher listserv that we can discuss this problem
PU>with? Should we send copies of our comments to LM-Net, hoping school
PU>librarians will pass the information along? Any suggestions from
PU>PUBYACers are welcome. Reply to me or to the list.
PU>Robin Davis, Youth Services Librarian
PU>Hurst Public Library, Hurst, TX
Why not keep a list of the more absurd ones that you become aware of and
then twice a year or so send a copy of it to the principal of the school
in question with a note suggesting that perhaps some further teacher
education would be in order to avoid seriously frustrating students by
giving them impossible tasks; one would think this would hold some feet
to the fire...
CBS
Romeo District Librawry
Romeo, MI.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 17:30:19 1997
From: Claire Isaac <cisaac@rpl.regina.sk.ca>
Subject: Impossible Questions
Dear Colleagues
I have been reading all the opinions and frustrations expressed about
teachers giving students impossible assignments and nodding my head. So I
felt moved to add a few comments to the debate.
First of all I am very impressed by how much effort all of you take to
establish and maintain good relations with the schools and how hard you
try to educate teachers on the realities of helping their students. I
know you care deeply about offering the best possible service. I too
share this ideal.
However after endless frustations caused by similar situations I finally
came to what for me was a blinding truth. This is not really a public
library problem, it is caused by the school system and there is a limit
beyond which we cannot and should not help. (This moment came when I would
not let a teacher take out every single book in the library system on
dolphins and whales.) The last time I looked the public library is not
primarily established to provide all the resources for the public school
systems. If you have tried to contact the teachers and they don't respond
it is not your fault if you don't have the materials. And tell the
parents so.
One other suggestion: when you send the teacher a letter saying that this
was an impossible assignment for whatever reason send a copy to the
principal and school superintendant. Maybe informing their bosses this is
an ongoing problem will help.
What does everyone else think? I would be interested in hearing your
views.
These opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the policies or
opinions of my library system.
Claire Isaac
Regina Public Library
Regina, Saskatchewan
cisaac@rpl.regina.sk.ca
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 17:30:33 1997
From: Elena Rosenfeld <elenar@jefferson.lib.co.us>
Subject: Re: sociology of librarianship
Umm, one word: Encarta
**This does not reflect the opinion of the Jefferson County Public Library**
Elena Rosenfeld elenar@jefferson.lib.co.us
Head, Children's Services (303)936-7407 (voice)
Jefferson County Public Library (303)937-1980 (fax)
Villa Branch
455 S. Pierce St
Lakewood, CO 80226
On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, Carolyn Caywood wrote:
> Remember those ads that suggested parents should buy their kids an
> encyclopedia set so they wouldn't have to go to the library?
> I have a bet on that print encyclopedias won't even be purchasable
> after 2000. I'm not worried about the public library disappearing.
> Carolyn
>
>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 17:30:46 1997
From: dnichols@nypl.org (dnichols)
ubject: Re: A to Zoo
It is a book--a picture book index. Can't remember the publisher: Gale maybe?
Very useful for subject searches of picture books.
Danita Nichols/New York Public Library
_______________________ Reply Separator _______________________
Subject: A to Zoo
Author: jholm@thomaston.lib.me.us at ~Internet-Mail
Date: 10/25/97 1:00 PM
In the listserve, librarians keep referring to "A to Zoo". I am not
familiar with it and would like some information. Is it on the net or
is it a book. How do I get to see it?
Please e-mail me womeone!
jholm@thomaston.lib.me.us
Thanks!!!!
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 17:31:05 1997
From: Vanston <jvanston@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: answer? to airplane STUMPER
Sorry it took so long to reply. My friend has not contacted me to let me
know which is the right answer, but she may take a long long time. She was
looking for a story read in high school about an airplane crash. One of
the survivors had sabatoged the plane, and the hero thinks it might be the
airplane attendant to whom he's attracted. Thank you for your answers.
It was suggested that it was either a book by Alistair MacLean or Clive
Cussler.
Jen
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 17:31:21 1997
From: Vanston <jvanston@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: two sisters STUMPER
A while ago I asked about an old book involving two sisters who live in NY
city. they are suddenly orphaned, and the older sister goes to work as a
singing tutor. She falls sick, and a wealthy family takes them in. The son
of the wealthy family and the older sister fall in love, and all live
happily ever after. My friend has not confirmed the answer, but she may
take along time getting around to it. So thank you for the suggestion that
it was a Louisa May Alcott story "A Garland for Girls".
Jen
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Oct 27 17:31:33 1997
From: Jacqueline Partch <jacquelp@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us>
Subject: Opening and Closing Rhymes for Storytimes
Several weeks ago I asked for suggestions of opening and closing rhymes
for storytimes. I'd been asked to share some at a conference for
childcare providers, but I didn't have a very big selection since I have
always used the same rhymes. Thank you, thank you! I got more rhymes than
I could use, but the session went well and I was able to include a lot of
what you sent me. The list follows. Warning! It's very long.
>From Kimberly Turner (Londonderry, NH):
I wiggle my fingers (wiggle fingers)
I wiggle my toes (wiggle toes)
I wiggle my shoulders (wiggle shoulders)
I wiggle my nose (wiggle nose)
Now there's no more wiggles left in me (hold hands out like you don't
know where the wiggles are)
And I sit still as I can be (sit down and start your story hour)
>From Charlotte Lesser (Keene, NH):
Infant (one year olds)
Opener: song - The more we get together and a naming game "Charlie over
the water"
Closing - song - If you're happy and you know it.
Two year olds -
Opener: Flannelboard - put together a clown - last piece is a smile
and fingerplay - open shut them
Closer: Take apart and say goodbye to the flannelboard clown - say to
each piece - goodbye see you next week and end with "goodbye boys and
girls, see you next week!"
For preschool storytime-
I have children guess what the stories are about - give hints/ clues
then we talk about the theme (animal, event, whatever)
Closer - I have a turtle fingerpuppet who collects nametags after we do
the rhyme/fingerplay - "I have a little turtle and he lives in a box"
>From Lynn Foltz (Birmingham, MI):
I use Ella Jenkins' "Jambo" with wooden catpaws to keep rhythm as I
can't
master playing the spoons. Sometimes I use Spanish instead of the Swahili.
>From Mary Moody (Terre Haute, IN):
Here is my opening routine:
I have a Lamb Chop puppet mascot the I use in Toddler storytime.
When we enter our storytime room (we have this storytime in another
room away from the distractions of puzzles, other books, patron and
children, etc. to another room that I decorate for this storytime.)
to Raffi's "Nursery Rhyme Instrumental" from his "Rise and
Shine"
recording.
After everyone has been seated I turn off the music and
Lamb Chop sings (I use my natural voice) "My name is Lamb Chop that's
my name. My name is Lamb Chop always the same." I go to each child
singing their name in place of Lamb Chop's (depending on the time
element and the general disposition of the children that day I may
just sing the first part and attach the last line. i.e. "Your name
is ____, that's your name...Always the same.." and move to the next
child) and ask each child if they would like to hug Lamb Chop or
shake his hand. By the last storytime everyone is either hugging or
shaking Lamb Chop's hand.
The song, "My Name is..." is from "Songs and Games For
Toddlers" by
Bob McGrath and Katharine Smithrim
I've been doing Toddler storytime for about 5 years and I've used it
each time. It's wonderful. also the recording by Bob McGrath and
Katharine Smithrim is fantastic for these storytimes.
The only routine I use to close our storytime is to pass out a
snack. We do our last story activity and simple creative art
activity, and then I pass out a snack that (as much as possible)
coordinates with the storytime theme, i.e. colors (fruit loops).
This is, as you can imagine, a popular part of storytime. It even
gets those really shy children up to you. Its also a good way to
help the children taste the storytime. I like to include all of the
types of sensory activities in my storytimes. One more benefit of
this is for the child that may be at their first storytime or social
activity. If their experience has been a little uncomfortable, and
they've been a little unsure and perhaps a little tearful ( no
matter how wonderful the other children seem to think the activities
are there is usually one that is a little insecure) it helps to
alleviate the tension that has built up during the storytime, and
enables the child to remember a moment that was delicious and
encourages that child to return the next session, to receive the
other benefits of this experience. (Wow! What a long sentence :-)
Well if you got thorugh all of that I hope these activities will be
beneficial.
>From Rob Reid (Eau Claire, WI):
Regarding your posting to PUBYAC on goodbyes, have you seen my "Wave
Goodbye?" Originally written as a rap, Lee and Low Books saw it as a
rhyme for toddlers and turned it into a picture book in 1996. If you're
not familiar with it, let me know, and I'll send you the words and
motions.
>From Christine Lotto (Clinton, NY):
The following suggestions for finger rhymes for beginning and ending..
I love the library. It's my favorite place with rows and rows of books
in every case. Fat books. Thin books. From wall to wall. If I read
and read I'll read them all.
Our hands say thank you with a clap, clap, clap
Our feet say thank you with a tap, tap, tap
Clap, clap, clap. Tap, tap, tap.
We roll our hands around and we say good-bye.
>From Catherine Morgan (Glendale, AZ):
All programs begin with "Raise your hand if you're here." Followed by
"Wave
at me if you're listening." After that they vary by program:
In Babytime the whole thing is routine because we do virtually the same
thing
in the same order every time. Only the book sandwiched between two lap
games changes from week to week.
Time for Twos always begins with 5 little monkeys and ends with a Bear
Hunt ending with Bear Hugs.
In Storytime we spend about 2 minutes discussing the rules: Sit Still &
Be
Quiet. They often suggest other rules like no kicking, no pushing, no
spitting, etc.
All programs end with :
Wave good-bye with one hand, wave with two hands.
Snap your fingers with one hand (or try), snap with two hands.
Give me five, give me ten, give me a great big clap. Yeah!!!!!
>From Susan (North Las Vegas, NV):
With preschoolers I use:
Hands on shoulders
Hands on knees,
Hands behind you if you please.
Touch your elbows
Touch your nose
Touch your ears
Touch your toes
(i widely substitute different body parts)
Reach high to the ski
Clap three times and now sit down.
The ending has lost its rhyme through the years. Sometimes we spin
around a time or two--depending on the energy level of the group. We
also have been know to shake out our sillies!
>From Carol Scrimgeour (Burlington, VT):
Here is one that was recently taught to me by a parent, who said that she
learned it as a little girl. There is a simple tune which I would be glad
to share with you if you wish to call me directly. Otherwise, here are
the words (actions are obvious):
We step, step, step
And tap, tap, tap
And then we turn around.
We step, step, step
And tap, tap, tap
And bow without a sound.
We clap down low,
We clap up high.
We clap the ground,
We clap the sky.
We step, step, step
And tap, tap, tap
And then we sit right down.
I am now using this one first as my opening song, and then sing Open, Shut
Them, which I am assuming you already know.
>From Sheryl Bailey (Charleston, SC):
I've used the following fingerplay for years to open Time for Twos *and*
Preschool Storytimes:
I wiggle my fingers,
I wiggle my toes.
I wiggle my shoulders,
I wiggle my nose.
Now no more wiggles are left in me,
And I will sit as still as can be.
I'm ready for a new one, but I haven't found one that I like as well.
For a closing fingerplay for Preschool Storytime, I often use this one (it
would work for my Twos, but my format doesn't include a closing
fingerplay):
Touch your nose,
Touch your chin -
That's the way the game begins.
Touch your eyes,
Touch your knees,
Now pretend you're going to sneeze.
Touch your hair,
Touch one ear,
Touch your two lips right here.
Touch your elbow where it bends -
That's the way the touch game ends.
[and I add, "And that's the end of storytime for today
..."]
>From Kara Cervelli (Perry, OH):
Some songs that I use to open are Raffi's "Shake your sillies out" and
"wake
up toes" from Joanie Bartels' "Morning magic" cassette (esp. with
the
toddlers and babies) I usually close with Raffi's "Simbalele" (sp?) it
gets the kids up and moving and then quieted down at the end.
Rhymes I use to open are
"I touch my head"
I touch my head
I touch my toes
I turn around
And touch my nose
I touch my shoulders
And I touch my knees (pause for a second)
Now sit down please!
"Wiggle my fingers"
I wiggle my fingers
I wiggle my toes
I wiggle my shoulders
I wiggle my nose
Now there are no more wiggles
Left in me
So I'll be as quiet
as can be
To end I use a short version of:
"Teddy bear teddy bear"
Teddy bear teddy bear turn around
Teddy bear teddy bear touch the ground
Teddy bear teddy bear show your shoe
Teddy bear teddy bear I love you!
(here I hug my teddy bear prop
and the kids give mom / dad a big hug)
Teddy bear teddy bear turn out the light
Teddy bear teddy bear say good night!
"Raise your hands"
Raise your hands
And give a big sigh
Storytime's over
Say good bye!
(we say" good bye everybody see you next week" together)
>From Gale Criswell (Baton Rouge, LA):
I've been using this for years. I think it is adapted from Grandma Moon's
Fingerplays.
Wiggle Fingers wiggle fingers
Way up in the sky
Wiggle fingers wiggel fingers
Wave them all good-bye
Wiggle fingers wiggle fingers
Now make them 'to a ball.
Drrroooppp them in your lap.
Do not let them fall.
Wiggle fingers wiggle fingers
Wave them now ---just so...
For NOW it's time to go.
Opening fingerplay ( same source I think)
Sometimes my hands are at my side
And then behind my back they hide.
Sometimes I wiggle my fingers so.
Shake them fast. Shake them slow.
Sometimes my hands go clap clap clap.
And then I rest them in my lap.
And they're as quiet as quiet can be (whisper)
Because it's storytime you see.
>From Torrie Hodgson (Burlington, WA):
I get the same toddlers over and over until they graduate to the
preschool storytime. My very favorite opener is the wiggle the fingers
poem. I will write out the whole thing the way we do it, but when
starting
with toddlers, we start out with only fingers and toes adding body parts
throughout the year.
Can you wiggle your fingers?
Can you wiggle your toes?
Can you wiggle your ears?
Can you wiggle your nose?
Can you wiggle your elbows?
Can you wiggle your knees?
Can you wiggle your head?
Can you wiggle your tongue?
Can you wiggle everything at once?
Now all my wiggles are out of me,
And I'm as quiet as I can be.
My all-time favorite finger/body play for toddlers comes from Marc Brown's
_Play rhymes_ (or was it _Finger rhymes_?)
Can you hop like a bunny?
Can you jump like a frog?
Can you walk like a duck?
Can you run like a dog?
Can you fly like a bird?
Can you swim like a fish?
Can you be as still as a good child
As still as this?
>From Jonathan Betz-Zall (Edmonds, WA):
I, too, always use the same rhymes, but maybe they're not the same as
yours.
Opening: "Open, them, shut them, [twice], give a little clap!
"Open them, shut them [twice], put them in your lap
"Creep them, creep them, slowly creep them, right up to your chin
"Open up your little mouth ... but DO NOT LET THEM IN!"
Closing: "The more we get together ..."
I also use "Tommy Thumbs up, Tommy Thumbs down,
Tommy Thumbs dancing all around the town
Dance 'em on your shoulders, Dance 'em on your head
Dance 'em on your knees, and Tuck 'em into bed!"
and play "Ring Around the Rosy".
>From Beth Peaden:
Here is my Toddler-time closing song:
Hello Bubble
(Sung to the melody "Frere Jacque")
"Hello bubble. Hello bubble.
Come and land, come and land,
Right in the middle, right in the middle,
Of my hand, of my hand.
Goodbye bubble. Goodbye bubble.
Time to go, Time to go,
I will help you, I will help you,
With a blow, with a blow"
I blow bubbles throughout each refrain.
>From Elizabeth Coughlin (Swampscott, MA):
I use a very simple opening song, "Good morning to You" sung
to the tune of Happy birthday.
Good morning to you,
Good morning to you,
Good morning dear children,
Good morning to you.
I do not have a standard closing song, but tend to repeat "If you're
happy and you know it" or 'Shake my sillies out" most often.
>From Karen Wendt (Monona, WI):
Try the book by Gloria T. Delamar, Children's counting-Out Rhymes,
Fingerplays, Jump-Rope and Bounce-Ball Chants and Other Rhythms.
>From Jill Olson:
These are my two favorite openings:
Good morning Merry Sunshine!
How are you today?
We've come to our own storytime
To Laugh, and sing, and play.
So let your hands go loudly clap, clap, clap
Let your fingers briskly snap, snap, snap
Then fold your arms, and close your eyes, and quiet be.
Now, roll your hands quickly wide awake
Let your fingers briskly shake shake shake
then fold your arms, and close your eyes, and quiet be.
Good day, everybody, Good day, everybody
Good day, good day, good day (bowing)
Smile everybody, smile everybody
Let's chase those blues away!
Shake hands everybody, shake hands everybody
Let's make new friends today!
>From Sherri Douglas (Anchorage, AK):
I don't do toddler programs, but I close my preschool storytimes with the
Raffi song, "Mister Sun". I usually say, We need all the sunshine we
can
get and I made up motions to go with it. If she wants to know the
motions, have her email me.
>From Karen Ricketson:
For my pre-school Storytime (3 to 5 year olds) we close every session
with the old Girl Scout traditional song - "Love is Something If You
Give It Away". If you need the words e-mail me back
(ricketso@northnet.org).
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