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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:39:38 1997
From: schachtc@lcm.macomb.lib.mi.us
Subject: Opening and Closing Rhymes for Storytimes


I put the basic format for IF YOU'RE HAPPY AND YOU KNOW IT..." to many
different uses, but ending storytimes is one of my favorites; IF YOU'RE
LEAVING AND YOU KNOW IT WAVE GOODBYE - GOODBYE - .....IF YOU'RE LEAVING
AND YOU KNOW IT, THEN YOU REALLY OUGHT TO SHOW IT... On a different
track, at this season IF YOU'RE FRIGHTENED AND YOU KNOW IT, YOU SHOULD
SHIVER also generally works well, especially if you enthusiastically
model shivering for them (remember how you sounded the first time you
saw the shower scene in PSYCHO?)

Chuck Schacht
Romeo District Library
Romeo, MI.



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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:32:29 1997
From: "Alison Hendon" <ahendon@dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: Pop-ups and comics in libraries


Hi Jane:

We have some pop-up books, they are non-circulating items. They
don't last of course but they are very heavily used while we do have
them. They are very very popular with the after-school crowd. I
would have thought they were for younger children but 3rd through 6th
graders all seem to enjoy looking at them. They are purchased
centrally.

Alison Hendon
Brooklyn Public LIbrary

speaking only for myself
Alison Hendon
ahendon@amanda.dorsai.org

"Though my soul may set in darkness,
It will rise in perfect light,
I have loved the stars too fondly
To be fearful of the night...."

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:38:37 1997
From: "Amy Hicks" <ahicks02@mail.llion.org>
Subject: Thank You


I want to apologize for taking nearly a month to respond to all the
wonderful ideas sent to me for toddler story times. You were all
such a great help.
Here is a list of authors and ideas that I compiled:
20-30 min. in length (at the most)
Lots of flannel board stories
Use puppets
Do lots of fingerplays and action songs
Use the same welcome and closing songs every session
Authors:
Arnosky
Bill Martin, Jr.
Eric Carle
Donald Crews
Byron Barton
Tafuri
Bruna (Miffy books)
Rockwells
Pat Hutchins
Oxenbury
Dabcovich
Lynn Dodd
Frank Asch
Lois Ehlert
Eric Hill (Spot books)
Strickland
I have to say that since I've implemented most of these ideas the
story times have been much smoother. I just need to get used to this
age group. I am more used to four and five year olds. But I am
enjoying the toddlers more and more.
Once again, thank you all so much.

Amy Hicks, Program Assistant
Kinderhook Regional Library
135 Harwood Ave.
Lebanon, MO 65536
(417)532-2148
ahicks02@mail.llion.org

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:35:40 1997
From: andrew or anne <paradis@jorsm.com>
ubject: Re: sociology of librarianship


At 02:06 PM 10/27/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Umm, one word: Encarta
>
Three words. Hard to use.
Anne
"`You have no business wearing white to the Middle
Ages,' he'd said, `It will only get dirty.'"
Connie Willis
*Doomsday Book*
Andy or Anne -- Andrew Paradise, Information/Reference Librarian, Medical
Librarian, and Children's Librarian by marriage: Anne Paradise, Children's
Librarian, mystery reader!
Gary Public Library andrew@gary.lib.in.us work
220 West 5th St. paradis@jorsm.com home
Gary, IN 46402 anne@gary.lib.in.us Anne



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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:33:35 1997
From: Wally Bubelis <wallyb@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: sociology of librarianship


I'm confused. By invoking the Microsoft encyclopedia, do you mean to say
there *is* a replacement for the public library in the form of this
electronic resource, or are you pointing out that the ad campaign that
seemed to work in the fifties will also seem to work in the nineties?
Encarta is a useful tool, and the old print forms don't have the neat
interactive trivia game, but I have yet to meet a user who can say
"Encarta is so much easier to use than the local library."
Personally, I give print encyclopedias seven more years. When the network
is down, World Book and Britannica are still available; when the network
technology is more stable, then I'll be more likely to rely on non-print
materials.

wally bubelis

On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Elena Rosenfeld wrote:

> Umm, one word: Encarta
>
> **This does not reflect the opinion of the Jefferson County Public Library**
>
> Elena Rosenfeld elenar@jefferson.lib.co.us
> Head, Children's Services (303)936-7407 (voice)
> Jefferson County Public Library (303)937-1980 (fax)
> Villa Branch
> 455 S. Pierce St
> Lakewood, CO 80226
>

"The universe is made of stories, not atoms." --Muriel Rukeyeser


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:39:54 1997
From: Victoria Kozich <vkozich@amon.pub-lib.ci.fort-worth.tx.us>
ubject: Thanks


Thanks to all who responded to my question regarding "Dog Breath" by
Pilkey. I know I must have made a fool of my self by not knowing this
grand title, but I guess being only a year out of library school leaves
me much room to learn:) Thanks again. I learned that the Fort Worth
system owns some copies of this, but my branch does not, so I will in
fact duplicate order it for us. I received over 40 answers, so it is
good to know there are so many of you guys to count on!!


-Victoria Kozich

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* Views represented are strictly personal and *DO NOT* *
* represent those of the Fort Worth Public Library. *
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:40:27 1997
From: Park Ridge Public Library <cwitek@park-ridge.lib.il.us>
Subject: Audio Books


Hi Pubyac-ers!

I'm fairly new to the list and I am hoping that you guys can help me out. I have some old (5-8 years old) audio books by Bantam Doubleday that need replacing. I've had trouble finding an audio book company that has replacements since Bantam does not sell direct. Has anyone had luck ordering Bantam audio titles? Also, does anyone know of a good audio book company that I may be missing? I currently order from Audio Editions, Listening Library, SILO, Recorded Books, and Highsmith Audio Books.

Please email me directly since I am on digest. TIA!

Charlene Witek
Children's Librarian
Park Ridge Public Library
Park-Ridge, IL
cwitek@park-ridge.lib.il.us

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:34:59 1997
From: Nancy Wagner <catbakr@southwind.net>
Subject: Young Adult Programs


I am interested in finding out some ideas for young adult summer
programs that different school or public libraries offer in their
library. Our library does an excellent job offering a summer reading
program but it only includes grades K-7. Since the middle and high
school age seems to be the group that tends to quit using the library, I
would like some suggestions or program ideas that have worked for you in
keeping the young adults interested in the library. Thank you in
advance.

Nancy Wagner,Teacher & MLS student, ESU
Jefferson Elementary
catbakr@southwind.net

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:37:56 1997
From: rvaillancourt@carmel.lib.in.us (Renee Vaillancourt)
ubject: fairy tale retellings for boys


I am posting this query for a colleague who is working on putting together
a bibliography of fairy tale retellings for junior high and high school
students. She has come up with several titles that she believes would be of
interest to girls, but is having trouble finding titles that would appeal
to boys. Any suggestions?

Please send responses to me and I will forward them to my friend (I will
also summarize for the list.) THANKS!


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Renee J. Vaillancourt
Young Adult Services Coordinator rvaillancourt@carmel.lib.in.us
Carmel Clay Public Library
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:37:22 1997
From: Susan Hall <shall@gcpl.lib.oh.us>
Subject: RE: Impossible Questions


Claire & All --
I used to teach kindergarten. now I am an assistant children's librarian.
I have listened a long time to the complaints about teachers. Some of them
are valid. However, many teachers are trying their best with extremely
limited resources. They are using public libraries because their school
libraries are so dreadfully underfunded. Often times the school project is
"misrepresented" by the time it gets from child to parent to library. Can
we really ask teachers to write out ALL the possibilities for every assign-
ment?
Yes. Tell parents when the assignment cannot be completed in your library.
Yes. Contact the principal. Yes. Contact the superintendent. And while
you are doing all of this, ask the taxpayers of your community why they are
not willing to spend their money to provide useful, well-equiped, and current
media centers and libraries in the local schools.
Again, some schools have all of this and more. Most do not! I have my own
share of problems with teachers and the teacher education process but we are
doing no favors to anyone when librarians complain without seeking solutions.
Susan

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:40:08 1997
From: Becky Smith <bsmith@inter.state.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Thanks (was Stumper: Brave Tailor)


Thank you to everyone who sent suggestions regarding the stumper
I posted about a brave tailor, a king, and a giant. The consensus
seems to be that the title is "The Monster and the Tailor," by
Paul Galdone. We no longer have this book in our system and it
appears to be out of print, so we're going to ILL it for the patron.

Thanks again - this group is an incredible resource!

--
Becky Smith
Children's Librarian
Logan (UT) Library
bsmith@inter.state.lib.ut.us
http://www.logan.lib.ut.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"We learn from history that we do not learn anything from history."
-Mark Twain-

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:34:18 1997
From: WHardy8484@aol.com
Subject: Chris Crutcher(YA novelist) Fans and Experts


I am in a grad class at Emporia State University; it centers on Young Adult
Literature and is taught by Dr. Mary K. Chelton. For one of my assignments,
I am doing a project on YA novelist Chris Crutcher. I would be interested in
your feedback re this YA author and his work.

Why do you feel Crutcher's work is important to YA literature?

What is the appeal of his stories?

Within what thematic units have his titles been taught in your school?
Please list examples.

Have there been any issues of controversy re his work? If so, what was their
basis and what titles were in question? How did the library handle this
matter?

Any direct quotes from student readers of his work and its significance in
their life would be most helpful to my paper.

Thank you for your help. I look forward to your input. Please respond
directly to me.

Wendy Hardy
WHardy8484@aol.com
Graduate Student
School of Library and Information Management
Emporia State University
Emporia, KS

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:36:28 1997
From: StoryPage@aol.com
Subject: Re: Magic bag


In a message dated 97-10-27 13:36:30 EST, you write:

<<
Does anyone have instructions for a magic bag in which you look in once and
it is empty, but there is a second compartment that you can reach into and
produce items? I saw this used several years ago as a story hour device but
can't remember where. >>

Sure. There are about a million uses for them, from causing scarves to
change colors to making a broken watch whole to changing a picture of an item
into the real thing. It is one of those self-working magic tricks (meaning
no sleight of hand necessary, my favorite kind) and can be purchased at any
magic or clown supply shop. You can buy booklets that have hundreds of uses
for them, or you can just use your imagination, but they also come with
instructions on how to use them.

--Jim Maroon

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:38:21 1997
From: Patrick Hogan <phogan@ala.org>
Subject: ALA Editions web features


>>>>>>>Cross posted to PUBYAC and LM_Net<<<<<<<<<<

Items of interest on the ALA Editions web site:

In Open Stacks:

>From Joyce Kasman Valenza, a couple handy forms for helping students
research on the web: <http://www.ala.org/editions/openstacks/tools>

-Web Cheat Sheet-- indexes, subject directories and search engines
organized by research needs and strategies
- Steps to Searching-- hand this out to students lost in the process or
wondering where to start.
http://www.ala.org/editions/openstacks/tools

Writers and wired youth librarians should check out Cyberlib.net
<http:www.ala.org/editions/cyberlib.net>

The web complement to _The Cybrarian's Manual_, the site serves to
update the book and also is a work in progress toward the second
edition. One reviewer commented that we had no contributors from
schools and children's services. We have useful stuff for cybrarians of
all sorts, but let's update with your voices. Check out the site, and if you
have an idea for a piece, contact phogan@ala.org.
___________________________________________

Patrick Hogan
Acquisitions Editor, ALA Editions
phogan@ala.org | 312.280.3240
Open Stacks, Cyberlib.net & more at:
http://www.ala.org/editions
___________________________________________

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:32:29 1997
From: schachtc@lcm.macomb.lib.mi.us
Subject: Cheerleading directory


. Cheerleading has always been big i
PU>South Carolina, and since it was just given status last year as a
PU>state-recognized high school team sport, it has recently seen an even greate
PU>popularity.

Calls to mind that classic cheer from the challanged Cheerleaders on
Saturday Night Live- "Mess 'em up, mess 'em up: WE don't care! There's a
big old amublence right over there..."



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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:32:47 1997
From: Karen Ricketson <ricketso@northnet.org>
Subject: Re: A to Zoo




dnichols wrote:

> It is a book--a picture book index. Can't remember the publisher: Gale maybe?
> Very useful for subject searches of picture books.
> Danita Nichols/New York Public Library
>
> _______________________ Reply Separator _______________________
>
> Subject: A to Zoo
> Author: jholm@thomaston.lib.me.us at ~Internet-Mail
> Date: 10/25/97 1:00 PM
>
> In the listserve, librarians keep referring to "A to Zoo". I am not
> familiar with it and would like some information. Is it on the net or
> is it a book. How do I get to see it?
> Please e-mail me womeone!
> jholm@thomaston.lib.me.us
>
> Thanks!!!!


A to Zoo is put out by R.R. Bowker. The 4th. edition (1993) ISBN:0-8352-3201-8.
I believe we have a standing order on this book so they should be do for an update
pretty soon! I think it's every 5 years. It's a great resource, I use it all the
time! Hope this helps! Karen
--


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Karen Ricketson
Head of Children's Services
Plattsburgh Public Library
Plattsburgh, NY
e-mail: ricketso@northnet.org
Voice: (518) 563-0921 (Children's Dept.)
Fax: (518) 563-1681

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It is better to ask a stupid question than fix a dumb
mistake!
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:36:44 1997
From: oneil <oneil@asbank.com>
Subject: Thanksgiving and Christmas fingerplays


I am planning a month each of Christmas and Thanksgiving programs.I need
ideas for finger plays and flannel board activities for both months.The
at risk children that I do programs for really enjoy these. I will post
any answers to the PUBYAC list. Thanks a lot. Sally O'Neil
Sally O'Neil
Story Hour Coordinator
Eunice,Louisiana
oneil@asbank.com

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:33:03 1997
From: Carolyn Caywood <carolyn@infi.net>
Subject: Re: sociology of librarianship


Precisely. I said "print." And, that also speaks to what Di and
Walter said. Bits are better for quick look up, books are better for
narratives -- fiction or nonfiction. What I meant to convey is that
this is not the first time someone's prepared our funeral oration and
it won't be the last.
CC
>
> Umm, one word: Encarta
>
> **This does not reflect the opinion of the Jefferson County Public Library**
>
> Elena Rosenfeld elenar@jefferson.lib.co.us
> Head, Children's Services (303)936-7407 (voice)
> Jefferson County Public Library (303)937-1980 (fax)
> Villa Branch
> 455 S. Pierce St
> Lakewood, CO 80226
>
> On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, Carolyn Caywood wrote:
>
> > Remember those ads that suggested parents should buy their kids an
> > encyclopedia set so they wouldn't have to go to the library?
> > I have a bet on that print encyclopedias won't even be purchasable
> > after 2000. I'm not worried about the public library disappearing.
> > Carolyn
> >
> >
>
>


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:36:12 1997
From: StoryPage@aol.com
Subject: Re: pvc puppet stage


In a message dated 97-10-27 13:30:15 EST, you write:

<< I've built a _bunch_ of PVC stages, and they work just fine, IMHO. Wood
stages weigh a ton, unless you use stretcher bars (for canvases used in
painting) covered with upholstery material (upholstery mat'l is for
opaqueness), hinged together with woven strapping. If your stage will
never be moved, you can build it out of anything. If you're going to move
it from place to place (as I did for 17 years & several thousand shows)
PVC works really well, plus it's a lot cheaper & easier to work with. >>

Ah, my fellow puppeteer Walter. We should get together some time and talk
shop.

We have a friendly professional disagreement, Walter. The only advantage to
a PVC stage is that they are lightweight and can be compacted into an
extremely small area. However, if you use 1"X2" or 1"X3" wood frames that
are hinged together and velcro curtains, they are just as light (well,
almost) and much quicker to assemble. Less than 3 minutes, in my case. The
only way a PVC stage can assemble that fast is if the pieces are glued
together into a few sections. And that pretty much eliminates the advantage
of small storage space.

--Jim Maroon
(also veteran of several thousand shows.) :-)

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:34:42 1997
From: "Aarene X. Storms" <astorms@cob.org>
ubject: re:Stumper--Beaver Towers books?


Our staff has recently discovered the _Beaver Towers_ recordings put out
by Chivers Children's Audio Books, and we absolutely love them--the
perfect stepping stone between Dick King-Smith and Brian Jacques.

The question now is, where can we get the books?

We cannot find anything remotely resembling this series by Nigel Hinton
listed in Books In Print, and Chivers was unable to tell us anything.
Does anyone have a source of information for British titles that might be
of use?

My thanks in advance,

Aarene Storms
Bellingham Public Library
astorms@cob.org


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:32:30 1997
From: Carolyn Caywood <carolyn@infi.net>
Subject: Re: Problem solving, teacher assignments


> Erin Gallagher said:
> As I had mentioned in my post, I am a certified teacher, and I was taught
> in my teacher education classes not to give an assignment I could not do
> myself at the local library, and to make sure there were enough resources
> for everyone.
>
>
I vote we create the PUBYAC teacher preparation award, and present the
first one to Erin' teacher education professor.

Really, can we be more influential on Colleges of Education, perhaps
as guest speakers to classes? Offering Continuing Ed. credit for a
class at the library on using libraries effectively in teaching is
another possibility. I've been surprised at how easy it is to get a
workshop certified as eligible for Continuing Education credit.

I have to confess that when I received my teaching certificate, I had
never heard one word in college that suggested the librarian could be
a partner in assignments. And I handed out some truly awfull ones
before I learned the error of my ways.


Carolyn Caywood % Save the time of the Reader %
carolyn@infi.net % --Ranganathan's 4th Law %
http://www6.pilot.infi.net/~carolyn/ FAX:757-464-6741
936 Independence Blvd. Virginia Beach, VA 23455 757-460-7519


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:41:47 1997
From: schachtc@lcm.macomb.lib.mi.us
Subject: plea for assistance


Oh keepers of the collective wisdom-

We are in need of a 1.reasonably contemporary 2. estimable and 3. in
print bike repair manual for intelligent non-adults and are having
considerable difficulty coming up with such; any suggestions as to where
we might turn in our hour of need? We thank you sincerely from the
lower portions of our coronary regions...

Chuck Schacht at schachtc@LCM.macomb.lib.mi.us



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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Oct 28 23:48:19 1997
From: Frances Burke-Urr <fburkeur@leo.vsla.edu>
Subject: Job Posting


Children's and Young Adult Services Manager
Fauquier County PUblic Library, Virginia
Announcement #PL71097

Administrates, plans, supervises and evaluates youth services
and staff for public library serving a population of 53,000.
Supervises the delivery of service, responsible for collection
development and material slection, coordinates systemwide
management and programming activities.

Requires: substantial background in youth services and
programs, reference and collections, managment and supervisory
abilities; ability to communicate orally and in writing;
leadership and interest in participative management.
MLS with three years public library experience;
previous supervisory experience.

Salary Range: $30,712-36,420 with exc. fringe benefits.

Application must be received by November 7, 1997

To apply, Fauquier County Classified application/resume is
required.

TO OBTAIN FORM:
ON WEB
http://co.fauquier.va.us/services/jobs

or Job LIne Phone # 540 347-6905

Personnel Dept.
Fauquier County
10 Hotel St.
Warrenton VA 20186

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