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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 00:29:26 1997
From: "Allison J. Enger" <aenger@monroe.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Stumper--Folk Lore Collection--solved
The book I was looking for was _Nursery Tales Around the World_ by Judy
Sierra. We found the book and my patronand his little boy were very
happy.
Thanks to all that sent their suggestions.
Allison
Allison J. Enger, Dundee Branch Library
aenger@monroe.lib.mi.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 01:24:12 1997
From: Cindy Stohs <cofct1lb@kans.com>
Subject: Stumper
Greetings,
Once again I beg for your assistance. I've been asked to locate a song
or poem for young children that teaches them how to tie their shoes.
The patron "thinks" that it includes a bunny rabbit. I know, sounds
impossible, but I love a challenge.
Please send responses to me
at cofct1lb@kans.com
thanks in advance!
Cindy Stohs
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 01:28:31 1997
From: Mary Ann Gilpatrick <magilpat@zelda.walnet.walla-walla.wa.us>
ubject: Re: Impossible Questions
I got my a--- chewed |GOOD by the school librarian when I did this, and the
teacher complained to his principal who contacted my director. Fortunately,
my work history with the school media specialists was there to back me up.
AND this particular teacher has given me no more grief.
At 02:46 PM 10/27/97 -0600, Claire Isaac wrote:
>
>Dear Colleagues
>
>I have been reading all the opinions and frustrations expressed about
>teachers giving students impossible assignments and nodding my head. So I
>felt moved to add a few comments to the debate.
>
>First of all I am very impressed by how much effort all of you take to
>establish and maintain good relations with the schools and how hard you
>try to educate teachers on the realities of helping their students. I
>know you care deeply about offering the best possible service. I too
>share this ideal.
>
>However after endless frustations caused by similar situations I finally
>came to what for me was a blinding truth. This is not really a public
>library problem, it is caused by the school system and there is a limit
>beyond which we cannot and should not help. (This moment came when I would
>not let a teacher take out every single book in the library system on
>dolphins and whales.) The last time I looked the public library is not
>primarily established to provide all the resources for the public school
>systems. If you have tried to contact the teachers and they don't respond
>it is not your fault if you don't have the materials. And tell the
>parents so.
>
>One other suggestion: when you send the teacher a letter saying that this
>was an impossible assignment for whatever reason send a copy to the
>principal and school superintendant. Maybe informing their bosses this is
>an ongoing problem will help.
>
>What does everyone else think? I would be interested in hearing your
>views.
>
>
>
>These opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the policies or
>opinions of my library system.
>
>
>Claire Isaac
>Regina Public Library
>Regina, Saskatchewan
>cisaac@rpl.regina.sk.ca
>
>
>
>
>
Mary Ann Gilpatrick
Young Peoples' Librarian
Walla Walla Public Library
238 E. Alder
509-527-4550
fax: 509-527-3748
magilpat@walnet.walla-walla.wa.us
opinions my own, not WWPL, etc etc
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 02:29:38 1997
From: JUDY SHERIFF <JSHERIFF@duluth.lib.mn.us>
Subject: RE: Problem solving and scale stumpers
I appreciate the attempts on the part of a few people to differentiate
between the assignments in which teachers sometimes require things
that can't be found (for example: asking a fourth grader to find three
sources about this incredibly obscure person/thing and write a three
page report by tomorrow) and the assignments which really have more
to do with process than answers. (Yes, it would be nice if they told us
which is which!)
In Minnesota, new graduation standards are taking effect which require
the latter. Although each of the 10 "high standards" may impact
libraries,
the fifth one is what's being talked about the most in library circles. It's
being dubbed "Inquiry" and reads: "Conduct research and
communicate
findings." The idea in all of these standards is that they will provide
kids
with skills that will transfer into their lives after K-12. Some model
"performance packages" have been prepared and approved - and of
course there will be more. If you're interested, check the web site at
http://children.state.mn.us/grad/gradhom.htm.
We know that we're regularly being asked questions that relate to
assignments that teachers are making because of the standards and
packages. Occasionally, it's explicit. For example, a summer school
class called us to schedule a visit last summer in which ninth graders
were working on an immigration package which was to meet some
social studies and math requirements in the area of inquiry. A school
librarian who works with us in the summer was able to do a mini training
with the staff prior to the class visit, and the teachers were very
involved. I wish it were always that easy!
We're going to try to do some training for the full staff, mostly so they
understand what this is all about and why the questions are changing
somewhat. My simple (simplistic?) answer is that, in part, what we
should do is simply continue to provide good reference service. In some
sense, it's what we've always done/tried to do. I think we may
emphasize more, however, that we should think out loud to the customer
- whether child or adult. What are we looking under in the catalog or
anywhere else? If that doesn't work, what else are we trying? What
suggestions do we have for the customer? How does one thing lead to
another? Even if we don't spend as much time *teaching* the process
as school librarians will, we can contribute to it by helping the kids see
that the process is something we use, too.
Sometimes there will be no answer - and that too is part of the process.
(One of the things the kids are encouraged to do is reformulate
questions.) Those of us who like *answers* and were trained to provide
them may be a bit disconcerted by all this. It helps me to continually
remember that it's lifelong learning and lifelong library users that we're
after.
Did I mention that this "inquiry process" in the standards starts in
kindergarten? Can't wait until high school and expect "high standards"
and transferable skill development! It's going to continue to be interesting
and challenging! The good news is that libraries are absolutely integral to
the process - although sometimes we have to remind the educational
establishment of that!
Judy Sheriff, Youth Services Manager
Duluth Public Library
520 West Superior Street
Duluth, MN 55802
218/723-3817, fax 218/723-3822
jsheriff@duluth.lib.mn.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:46:07 1997
From: oburg_libjuv@InfoAve.Net
Subject: Fairy Tale classification
Can anyone out there tell me why fairy tales are classified in nonfiction?
This is a question I've encountered often, and I just do not have an
iron-clad answer to give to people. It seems to be very confusing to
patrons....and it's the same for me!
HELP!
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:46:09 1997
From: Pringled1@aol.com
Subject: Impossible Questions
Hi!
I am a student in school library media studies. In my curriculum class last
evening, we read many messages in this thread and discussed the problems that
public librarians face in dealing with horrible teacher assignments. Few us
were aware of the problem until your messages brought it home for us.
We talked about ways in which we can help bridge the communication gap
between librarian and teacher and work on closing that gap at the same time.
When I take my first library media job, one of the first things I am going
to do is have lunch with the public youth librarian to forge a good working
relationship right from the beginning. I can't change the teachers (right
away), but I can still do what I can to prevent a lot of grief for both
public librarian and student.
Thanks,
Heather H.
University of Northern Iowa
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:46:09 1997
From: LWilli0316@aol.com
Subject: Re: Impossible Questions
Hi Pubyackers,
Usually I respond directly the poster. But as this is an issue I feel so
strongly about, I am electing to post to the list.
From the "RE: Impossible Questions" post that I read this morning:
>many teachers are trying their best with extremely limited resources<
I do wonder... are the school's resources so limited that they do not have
telephones???? I KNOW teachers have much to do. I KNOW it is a tough job. But
after all, the welfare of the kids is what we are ALL after... is it not? So
how much does it take to get on the telephone and call your local children's
librarian once or twice a year? A simple "I am assigning a report on
Insects,
due 11/1/97" would suffice!
They are using public libraries because their school libraries are so
dreadfully underfunded. Often times the school project is
"misrepresented"
by the time it gets from child to parent to library. Can
we really ask teachers to write out ALL the possibilities for every
assignment?
Yes. Tell parents when the assignment cannot be completed in your library.
Yes. Contact the principal. Yes. Contact the superintendent. And while
you are doing all of this, ask the taxpayers of your community why they are
not willing to spend their money to provide useful, well-equiped, and current
media centers and libraries in the local schools.
Again, some schools have all of this and more. Most do not! I have my own
share of problems with teachers and the teacher education process but we are
doing no favors to anyone when librarians complain without seeking
solutions.
Susan
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:46:10 1997
From: Scates <Scates@compuserve.com>
ubject: Unanswerable questions/instructional partners
I have been very interested to read so many comments about the
"unanswerable
questions" that teachers send their students to the library to research.
This is my first
term out of the classroom in 10 years (I’m working on my MLS full time). I
must admit I
can see both sides of the issue. In my 10 years of teaching in three
cities I never heard
from a public library in any way! I did utilize public libraries to pull
resources for my
lessons on occasion and once even asked if the materials I had pulled could
be set aside or
grouped together in one location so that the students (first graders doing
first "report")
could find them easily. This request was not met with enthusiasm, though
they did honor
the request for four days. I did not ask again, which meant the librarians
got to help each
child track down their materials. Prior to reading these postings, it
never once occurred to
me that there was a librarian out there who wanted to know what was going
on in my
classroom and how they could help. I take my hat off to you who have
worked so hard to
cover this part of your community and have had so little success. I, too,
have been
dismayed as my colleagues left school early day after day muttering about
not doing any
more. I am sure there are librarians that do not take work home at night
either, that only
give their 8 hours worth, period. The key should be to open communication
lines between
the really dedicated librarians and the really dedicated teachers so that
they can be
instructional partners and everyone wins--adults and children. I suggest
calling building
principals and asking for a 5-10 minute slot at the next staff meeting so
that someone can
come out and explain "how your public library can be of service to
you!" I
think you will
be very surprised at the volume of receptive teachers you’ll find.
Also--how about a
monthly "storytime" for the teachers to come be reminded of some
oldies but
goodies and
introduced to what is new. Those who come can turn in thematic needs for
next month’s
meeting. Get their attention and then let them know how they can help you!
Denni Scates
Texas Woman’s University
Denton, TX
g_scates@twu.edu
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:46:39 1997
From: LWilli0316@aol.com
Subject: Re: Impossible Questions CORRECTION
(sorry for the first erroneous post, before I was finished writing... cat
jumped on the keyboard and sent the mail before it was completed!!)
AGAIN! Hi Pubyackers,
Usually I respond directly the poster. But as this is an issue I feel so
strongly about, I am electing to post to the list.
From the "RE: Impossible Questions" post that I read this morning:
>many teachers are trying their best with extremely limited resources...
Often times the school project is "misrepresented" by the time it gets
from
child to parent to library<
I do wonder... are the school's resources so limited that they do not have
telephones???? I KNOW teachers have much to do. I KNOW it is a tough job. But
after all, the welfare of the kids is what we are ALL after... is it not? So
how much does it take to get on the telephone and call your local children's
librarian once or twice a year? A simple "I am assigning a report on
Insects,
due 11/1/97" would suffice, and save the "misrepresentation" of
the
assignment.
>Can we really ask teachers to write out ALL the possibilities for every
assignment?<
I do not necessarily need to know ALL the possibilities. However, my
state library service centers provide additional materials (both to school,
AND public libraries...) If I do not know a teacher is going to assign a
topic... I cannot go to the state library to get additional material... even
of a general nature.
>Yes. Contact the principal. Yes. Contact the superintendent. And
while you are doing all of this, ask the taxpayers of your community why
they are not willing to spend their money to provide useful, well-equiped,
and current media centers and libraries in the local schools.<
Yes, school library media centers tend to be underfunded. However, most
public libraries are not overfunded either! The public library in MY town
receives a whopping .8% (yes 8/10ths of one percent) of the taxes paid to the
town. And we manage to cover most queries by children for school reports. In
spite of not being informed. The school officials who assemble school
budgets, not the taxpayers per se, are who can do something about
underfunding of library media centers.
>we are doing no favors to anyone when librarians complain without seeking
solutions<
My library sought HARD for solutions. Implemented assignment alert
forms... talked to teachers in faculty meetings. It is October. The
children's room has handled a minimum of 15 MAJOR report assignments. We have
received 1 (ONE) assignment alert form from a teacher, and NO phone calls.
Are we asking too much of teachers to let us know when they are sending
30 or more children in to work on the same topic? When a child is sent away
because the 30 books we own on Egypt have already been taken out by the first
few kids who walked into the library... who looks bad? The patrons... the
taxpayers... think it is the library, not the school, that is inadequate.
When you've tried everything you can think of, and nothing works, what is
left to do, but complain?
Again, sorry for the accidental mailing of this post, before it was
completed. Cats and computers... they don't always mix!
Linda Williams
Children's Librarian
Coventry, CT
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:46:53 1997
From: dherald@wic.net (Diana Herald)
Subject: Re: Audio Books
Charlene and list,
Check out the Audiobook Reference Guide from AudioFile Publications. It
comprehensively lists Audiobook publishers and lists info such as
availability of replacements, cost of replacements, wholesale sources,
addresses, phone numbers, e-mail, and more. It also lists the audiobooks
that earned the coveted Golden Headphones designation!
AudioFile's e-mail is RAudioFile@aol.com they are best known for the
review journal called AudioFile.
This is not a paid announcement. I just happen to think it is a great
resource and believe that it makes a librarian's life easier.
--
Happy reading,
D
dherald@wic.net
See the Genreflecting Page at http://www.mancon.com/genre
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:47:02 1997
From: jd663@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Victoria Vannucci)
Subject: inspiration from y'all
Hello. I am a new YA librarian at a library that hasn't had a YA librarian
in a long time. Currently the library I work at is undergoing some major
renovations with the goal of having a grand opening for the public in
january. I need some good ideas for how to publicize the YA department to
the community. I'd like to involve the kids. When I did a survey of the
programming interests of the teens in the community , a lot of interest
was expressed in having a photo contest, or doing something with photography.
Have any of you held a kid photo contest at your library? If so, how
successful was it? Any ideas about how to incorporate the library as a theme
in the contest? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks. Rain O'Connell ---------------------------------------------------
You can email me directly at: jd663@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:50:40 1997
From: oneil <oneil@asbank.com>
Subject: Re: Stumper
Cindy Stohs wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Once again I beg for your assistance. I've been asked to locate a song
> or poem for young children that teaches them how to tie their shoes.
> The patron "thinks" that it includes a bunny rabbit. I know,
sounds
> impossible, but I love a challenge.
>
> Please send responses to me
> at cofct1lb@kans.com
> thanks in advance!
> Cindy Stohs
I know how to teach children to tie their shoes using bunny ears, but I
haven't heard of a poem about it.Please send it to me if you get a copy
of it.To tie shoes- make two loops [bunny ears]. Make an x with them.Put
one ear(loop) under the other and pull tight.There is your bow.It would
be easier if you could watch me do it than to follow written directions,
but it is a very easy way to teach young children to tie shoes. Sally
O'Neil(former kindergarten teacher)
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:51:24 1997
From: Overmyer <overmyer@crl.com>
ubject: Re: rabbit shoe-tying rhyme-
This is in reply to Cindy Stohs' stumper request, but I am posting this to
the group since I have seen several requests for the id of this rhyme over
the last years and it may help put it to rest.
In my last position as children's specialist at a regional reference center,
I spent hours looking for the answer to this question. The unhappy
resolution was that it was sung on a television show, whose name I can no
longer remember - it had twins on it, Ashley and Tiffany, I think. At the
height of my interest in the question, I was able to describe pretty darn
completely the episode of the show which featured it. The staff of the show
was absolutely unwilling to release the words. The twins apparently go
around giving in-person musical shows and they don't want anyone knowing the
words to this song. I am sorry I don't remember the tv show, but if
necessary I could find out. It was a show I had never ever watched. This
question has appeared on PUBYAC several times, and for sure I posted to this
group when I first worked on it, at least four years ago.
If someone got farther with it than I did, please put us all out of our
misery and post it to the group. I always felt slightly uneasy with the
idea that some little shoe-tying rhyme was really an original piece of work
and since the attitude of the tv show staff was TOTALLY UNHELPFUL I would
not be surprised to find that there is another source for this rhyme. On
the other hand, I remember finding several alternate shoe-tying rhymes, but
never this one. I inflict this saga on the group in the hope that if
someone knows anything more about it, they will be forthcoming.
Elizabeth Overmyer
Doug and Elizabeth Overmyer
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:51:45 1997
From: MARIEN@ALCON.ALC.ORG
Subject: Bunny and shoe laces
I think at one time or another everyone out there has been asked for this and
no one seems to be able to find an answer. (I actually remember learning the
bunny method from my mother but it had no poem to go with it.)
S-o-o-o-o... to save everyone's sanity (and mine) here is a little poem /
action rhyme that I made up this morning to help us all out...
BUNNY BOWS (by Marie Noe)
Oh dear, oh dear! What shall we do? (put hands to face and shake head)
Someone needs to tie his shoe! (point to shoe)
Take each lace, one left one right, (grab laces)
Loop them 'round and pull the tight. (make 1st loop and tighten)
Make two loops, (now this is funny) (make loops and whisper)
One's a tree and one's a bunny! (wiggle each loop on cues)
Run the bunny 'round the tree (run right loop around left)
That will make a hole, you see... (show hole formed at base of loops)
Stick the bunny through that spot (put "bunny" loop in hole)
Pull both loops to make your knot! (pull loops to tighten)
And that is all you have to do
To make a bunny tie your shoe!
Feel free to pass it around but please give credit where it is due!
==========================================================================
Marie Noe (915) 676-6067
Librarian II Abilene Public Library
Abilene, TX
marie.noe@alcon.alc.org
==========================================================================
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:53:51 1997
From: "Gordon Riley" <gdriley@hotmail.com>
Subject: Job Seekers Rant
I admit that I may not be the best candidate for many jobs,
however I am horrified at the number of jobs for which I have
applied that have not been filled at all. This most recent one
has crossed a certain threshold.
"The search for this position has been abandoned. Should the
position become available at a future time, we hope you will
reapply."
Why do they hope I will reapply? Because they enjoy wasting my
time I assume.
This is for Librarian I at a small university. I can't help but
to speculate as to some of the possible reasons that they would
ABANDON the search.
Maybe the search committee process is to ponderous for them to
have any hope of agreeing on a candidate. Maybe they didn't get
any applicants with three Ivy League Degrees, two foreign
languages including Spanish and college reference experience
willing to work for peanuts.
I can hear them now:
"With a Jew on the committee we couldn't select Jesus Christ
himself, even if he walked on water to get here."
or:
"We never intended to hire an entry level person as a Librarian
I, we expected numerous applicants to want to leave better
positions because they always wanted to work for Bonehead State."
or maybe:
"Why should we hire somebody, the Kelly Girl we have now is doing
fine?"
Most likely, they never intended to hire anyone at all, they just
have a rule that they have to advertise open positions. Gotta
give that $50,000/year Library Human Resources Specialist
something to do.
In the last 6 months, I have been notified of two positions that
were suspended, three that were reopened, and four that were
extended. In this era of electronic job searching and glut of
library science graduates; where advertised positions draw upward
of a hundred applicants - nobody is good enough for these people.
It is ironic but not really funny that the ones that are not
filled are the ones that have the most lengthy and difficult
application processes. A resume and cover letter are not enough,
you have to do an official application and answer a
questionnaire, limiting your answers to two typed pages per
question. Some of these even insist that for every question that
deals with experience, that your answer include where and when
you worked when you gained this experience, for every question.
One potential employer, having advertised on listservs, in
journals and at ALA - used this questionnaire process to narrow
the search to six candidates who were invited for interviews on
the Tuesday after a Monday holiday so that they had to pay the
maximum travel expenses - and then didn't hire anybody because
none of these best qualified people were also fluent in Spanish.
I am sure that both the English speaking and Spanish speaking
public are well served by having nobody in their branch.
Another one that advertised all over the world had a question on
the application something to the effect of "Tell us everything
you know about computers." They then winnowed the field to six
semi-finalists who were invited to regional sites to videotape
interviews in order to contend for two interviews on-site. Thank
God I didn't make the finals for that one, because they didn't
hire anybody either. The job description for this one included
reference desk, electronic collection development, planning for
and delivering staff training, software licensing negotiations,
hardware purchases, network trouble-shooting and running the day
to day operations of the technical services department, as well
as systemwide participation in collection development and
participation in the library's Management Team. They didn't find
anybody who could do all of this at one time. Quelle suprise!
Don't think I am a total moron for even applying for this one
either. I actually have some experience in each of these areas.
Today's LIBJOBS advertised two half-time positions at $13,000
each in Idaho as "an excellent opportunity." It is not enough
that somebody retires and they split one job that you can barely
get by on into two jobs that nobody can live on. What they will
do is hire one person, leave the other job open, and expect the
lucky winner do all the work the original full time person did,
and then extend probation a second year before they let this
person go.
One more thing before I quit. People, you don't need your full
name, your full title, and the full name of your library on an
envelope in order to get your mail. If you want your library
school classmates to know what a prestigious position you hold,
find a better way to do it than to put out fraudulent job
advertisements that waste peoples' time, crush their spirits and
give false hope to even more pie-eyed library school applicants.
Gordon Riley, Media Center Coordinator
Goldsboro High School, Goldsboro, North Carolina
The opinions expressed are my own!
"It's all about sincerity. Once you can fake that, you've got it
made." Former NFL Head Coach Monte Clark
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:54:07 1997
From: "Linda Peterson" <lpeterson@bloomfield.lib.in.us>
Subject: Re:Toddler time
I too did a toddler time for the first time this year. I recieved lots of
helpful advice from other librarians. One word of caution. I have seen
several suggestions on using puppets, and my group had a couple of children
that were terribly afraid of them and would only come back if there parents
checked ahead to see if there would be puppets that day. Sometimes we
forget that what is neat to a 4yr. old is scary to a 2yr. old.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:54:39 1997
From: Samantha Yeung <syeung@netra.downey.lib.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Library Teen Newsletter
Hi all:
The following are the two responses that I have got about Library Teen
Newsletter. Special thanks to the two contributors. Please post to the
list if you would like to share your experiences on publishing a teen
newsletter.
Sincerely,
Samantha Yeung
()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()
Patricia Lewis - Sarasota county wrote:
> Hi, Samantha--
> I'm a YA Librarian (actually 40%) in Englewood, FL, and I just wanted
> to
> share my experience with our YAs and their newsletter. It started off
> as
> a great idea, however, I have found that the teens simply never have
> enough time with their other extracurricular activities. Typically,
> these
> YAs are the ones most involved with school activities and typically,
> they
> are also the ones in the honors classes. We finally had to abandon
> the
> project. It's often easy for us to come up with these great plans,
> but
> the setbacks in their execution make them unfeasible. Sorry to be so
> negative, but I find that it's better to let the kids themselves
> decide
> what activities they want to pursue. Our group, for example, wrote
> their
> own murder mystery as the closing program for the Summer Reading
> Program.
> They were extremely enthusiastic and self-motivated and have decided
> they
> want to do it again next year.
>
> Hope this helps!
> Cordially,
>
> Pat Lewis
> Reference/YA Librarian
>
> Elsie Quirk Public
> Library
> Englewood, FL
Renee J. Vaillancourt
> The Teen Library Council at the Carmel Clay (IN) Public Library
> published
> three issues of its seasonal newsletter before disbanding the project
> when
> the director of our library objected to a (balanced and well-written)
> article on censorship, written by one of the kids, which he was
> concerned
> would raise controversy in our community.
>
> I felt hypocritical offering the students a forum to express
> themselves,
> then restricting the topics about which they could write. Many
> libraries
> are able to do this without any problems. But I would caution you to
> discuss with your administration what they are willing to publish
> under the
> library's name.
>
> Our newsletter was started on student initiative and included book
> reviews
> and program announcements. I have some samples left if you would like
> to
> receive them. I think that it is important to provide teens with a
> means of
> public expression, and it's an excellent way to promote Young Adult
> Services in your community. I wish you the best of luck with your
> project.
>
>
> **********************************************************************
>
> Renee J. Vaillancourt
> Young Adult Services Coordinator rvaillancourt@carmel.lib.in.us
>
> Carmel Clay Public Library
> **********************************************************************
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Samantha Yeung (562)904-7359
Downey City Library syeung@netra.downey.lib.ca.us
11121 Brookshire Ave.
P.O. Box 7015
Downey, CA 90241-7015
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:55:11 1997
From: torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us (Torrie Hodgson, Children's Librarian)
ubject: Re: sociology of librarianship
Print will still be around (I hope) for the budget-challenged. We have one
public access PC that has word processing and CD rom products on it. When
we have this situation, only one person (or no people if someone is typing)
can access the encyclopedia.
We can afford the print encyclopedias that many people can use
simultaneously much better than the CD rom products and PCs that it would
take to serve that many people at once. (And yes, we do get lineups for the
print volumes especially right after school. And no, not every home has or
can afford their own computer and CD rom products.)
Torrie Hodgson 8)
>I'm confused. By invoking the Microsoft encyclopedia, do you mean to say
>there *is* a replacement for the public library in the form of this
>electronic resource, or are you pointing out that the ad campaign that
>seemed to work in the fifties will also seem to work in the nineties?
>Encarta is a useful tool, and the old print forms don't have the neat
>interactive trivia game, but I have yet to meet a user who can say
>"Encarta is so much easier to use than the local library."
>Personally, I give print encyclopedias seven more years. When the network
>is down, World Book and Britannica are still available; when the network
>technology is more stable, then I'll be more likely to rely on non-print
>materials.
>
>wally bubelis
>
Torrie Hodgson, Children's Librarian, S.A., and everything else!
Burlington Public Library
900 East Fairhaven Ave
Burlington, WA 98233
Phone (360) 755-0760 Fax (360) 755-0717
torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:55:46 1997
From: Bruce Greeley <brgreele@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: Young Adult Programs
I'm doing such programs every single Friday of the year (until midnight!)
and am now attracting an average of at least 30 every week.
One nearly current schedule is at:
http://www.kcls.org/kcls/escape.html
We've had everything from rock & rap bands playing, neo-vaudeville
theatrical performances (inc. fire-eating!), swordfighting demos, poetry
workshops, free haircuts and manicures, and plenty more!
Would be happy to send you more info. by 'snail mail' if u like, if u
include an address.
(Oh but one point I should make: we're set up to serve teens that would
otherwise likely never set foot in a library so my programs emphasize the
less-traditional, less literature-oriented side of things to attract teens
who would instead be hanging out at the bus stop or something -- though
occasionally book-oriented programs do in fact prove very successful!)
cheers,
Bruce Greeley
<brgreele@kcls.org>
On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Nancy Wagner wrote:
> I am interested in finding out some ideas for young adult summer
> programs that different school or public libraries offer in their
> library. Our library does an excellent job offering a summer reading
> program but it only includes grades K-7. Since the middle and high
> school age seems to be the group that tends to quit using the library, I
> would like some suggestions or program ideas that have worked for you in
> keeping the young adults interested in the library. Thank you in
> advance.
>
> Nancy Wagner,Teacher & MLS student, ESU
> Jefferson Elementary
> catbakr@southwind.net
>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:56:15 1997
From: bwilliams@brdgprtpl.lib.ct.us (Bina Williams)
Subject: RE: Audio Books
Doesn't Baker and Taylor or Ingram carry those books on tape from =
Bantam? I would check with them before giving up on exact repalcements =
for your tried and true favorites audiobooks. That's a good list of =
other sources though!
Bina Williams
Bridgeport Public Library
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:56:53 1997
From: torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us (Torrie Hodgson, Children's Librarian)
ubject: Re: Young Adult Programs
Our YA group is grades 5-8. We have found locally that most kids older than
that want to consider themselves adults, and only want books and services
for adults.
The summer program is a reading challenge. Kids are invited to read any
chapter books they want and submit a short review form. (Author, title,
circle thumbs up or down, and brief mention why they did or didn't like the
book.) When they turn in a form, they get their registration card punched.
After three punches, they get a free paperback book, and after the next
seven punches they get another. All their raffle slips from the bottom of
the review form go into a prize drawing at the end of the summer program.
The prizes are books, gift certificates, bags of m&ms, and other donated
merchandise.
The only program we have is our mystery party/prize drawing. Of course we
offer programs for all ages throughout the summer, and YAs can earn extra
raffle entries by volunteering to help at the programs. We have a murder
mystery for the kids to solve (after the library is closed) and food to eat
of course. Then we have the drawing for prizes---biggest prize first, and
only one prize per person.
It has been very successful, and has grown over 100% per summer over the
three years we have been offering it. If you need more details, let me know.
Torrie Hodgson 8)
Torrie Hodgson, Children's Librarian, S.A., and everything else!
Burlington Public Library
900 East Fairhaven Ave
Burlington, WA 98233
Phone (360) 755-0760 Fax (360) 755-0717
torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:56:57 1997
From: Victoria Kozich <vkozich@amon.pub-lib.ci.fort-worth.tx.us>
ubject: Asian author bibliography
Does anyone out there have any recommendations on where I might come
across a bibliography listing Asian authors and their stories? Or, does
anyone have one already compiled they might like to share? I suppose I
should clarify this and mention that I need children's stories only. If
you have one and would like to share your hard work, please let me know
and I will give you our address here at the branch. Thanks in advance
for any help.
-Victoria Kozich
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* Views represented are strictly personal and *DO NOT* *
* represent those of the Fort Worth Public Library. *
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:58:17 1997
From: Betsy.Fraser@public-library.calgary.ab.ca (Betsy Fraser)
Subject: Calgary Public Library Home Page Additions
Please excuse any duplications - this is being cross-posted.
I am pleased to announce that Calgary Public Library has opened the
electronic summer reading game to anyone who is interested. This year's
was a western theme and has a lot of information on cowboys and western
culture. The success of our summer reading game (over 8,000 children
playing the electronic and paper versions) has led to our current
preparation of a winter reading game, a first for Calgary Public
Library.
We have also added a new teens section, utilizing partnerships with
several local organizations and a 'hip' presentation, that we hope will
continue to be popular with teens. New features include a monthly
interview (this month is the Number-one selling recording artist Jann
Arden), fashion tipes, music reviews, and information from the Calgary
Distress/Drug Centre.
We hope you'll give us a try!
http://public-library.calgary.ab.ca
Betsy Fraser
--
Betsy Fraser
Calgary Public Library
Betsy.Fraser@public-library.calgary.ab.ca
http://public-library.calgary.ab.ca
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:58:59 1997
From: bvetter@hampton.lib.nh.us
Subject: American Girls Party
Our library is hosting the American Girl Dolls. We have decided to
have the dolls "host" a party. Our thought is to have one activity or
craft appropriate per doll and allow the children to choose perhaps
three of the six activities during the party. We'll finish up with
treats, of course.
Has anyone tried this type of event? What were the activities you
presented? Any suggestions as to resources for American history
activities for kids?
Please respond to me directly. I will compile and post any ideas I
receive.
TIA,
Beverly
bvetter@hampton.lib.nh.us
Beverly Vetter, Children's Librarian
Lane Memorial Library, Hampton, NH
603-926-4729
bvetter@hampton.lib.nh.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:59:42 1997
From: YA assistant <"ESCHER::JDICKEY"@cuyahoga.lib.oh.us>
Subject: RE: Practicum student in our YA dept.
Here are the suggestions we received, which I'm posting to the list
for others who may work with MLS students. Or who could just use
some new ideas for YA! Our thanks to Edna Hutchins, Jeri Kladder,
Donna McMillen, and Tiffany Schwartz for sharing.
1. Divide up the student's time like your own is divided, to give
the student a feel for what it's really like.
2. Create YA special interest bibliographies or booklists.
3. Create a bulletin board display that invites reader comments or
recommendations.
4. Lable YA books with genre labels.
5. Do literature searches to beef up the collection.
6. Search for interesting and useful websites for teens.
7. Develop a YA program.
8. Work with teen volunteers.
9. Attend meetings and continuing education opportunities.
10.Create a packet for college bound students (SAT, scholarship
info, websites, suggested reading, etc.), which necessitates
interaction with the schools.
More proof of the creative and helpful nature of the people who
make up this listserv! We're looking forward to our student's
arrival. Thanks again.
Janet Dickey
Young Adult assistant Anyone's Guess Mystery
Cuyahoga County PL Program Kits
(suburban Cleveland, OH) www.lochnet.com/doubledog/aguess.htm
<jdickey@cuyahoga.lib.oh.us> <blakdog@en.com>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Oct 29 19:58:51 1997
From: "Allison Ho" <HO@slais.ubc.ca>
Subject: YA Program - "book and movie-adaptation review club"
Hello PUBYAC!
I am a library school student at UBC, and am working on a "YA program
proposal" for a final project. My ideas are to start a "book and
film" club where youth would read the book(s), watch the film version
of the book, and then involve a discussion/comparison on the two
formats and representations. Ideally, sponsorship support from the
community would include free movie passes from area cinemas, and
rentals from video stores, if the film was not a "current release."
The main goal would be to increase the teens in reading and coming to
the library and eventually interested in other library resources.
On my part, this is a theoretical program initiative for youth.
Have you and your library considered this idea, and how have you put
it together? What worked or didn't, who are the teens this program
attracted, and any other important things to consider...?
I would really like to know your thoughts/comments/advice on my idea,
and your assistance will be sincerely and properly acknowledged.
Please reply directly to me at "ho@slais.ubc.ca" and thank-you very
much!
Allison :)
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Allison Ho, Graduate Student
School of Library, Archival and Information Studies
The University of British Columbia
Vancouver, B.C., Canada
E-mail: HO@slais.ubc.ca
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