|
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 01:35:16 1997
From: Caes <caes@pacificrim.net>
ubject: Re: School Assignments
<Snip> Where are the school libraries and school librarians of those 23
schools? What are they doing to help?
I work closely with school librarians. As a young, naive newcomer to the
profession, I once met with groups of them, all over our county, and asked
them all to pass on school assignments to us as soon as they received them.
Well, they laughed for about twenty minutes, and then cried for half an
hour. What? Do you think teachers tell school librarians what they're up?
In your dreams! Libraries get no respect from most teachers. Many teachers
never visit the library themselves and have no idea what it contains. This
is not something they're taught in their education programs in college.
Want to lobby for change? Lobby the universities. I'd love to see a
national effort to educate teachers and school administrators before they go
into the field.
<snip> When the school library is closed and school librarians are content
to relax at home
School librarians work hard for little pay and little recognition. They
don't have pages, aids, acquisitions departments, processing departments,
menderies, or any help at all except for students and volunteers. They have
to do it all themselves, and lunchroom duty and playground duty as well.
They come in without pay in the summer to do absolutely necessary work the
school district won't pay for. Don't give them a hard time, OK?
<snip> take a look at the amount and proportion of property taxes
collected
by the public schools on a property tax bill and compare it with property
taxes claimed by the the public library in your community.
In my area, it's about the same, which is nuts. I hate to break it to you,
but the school district has a bigger job to do than the library does.
Education is very poorly funded in any but the richest areas, and sometimes
not even there if the rich have pushed through tax relief measures that give
them extra money they can use to send their kids to private schools.
<snip> look at the salary scales of the public schools (teachers,
administrators, school librarians) and compare them with the salary scales
of your public library. <snip>
About the same, here, except for the school librarians, who make
considerably less.
<snip> James B. Casey <snap>
Excuse me, I don't want to ask a rude question, but, how old are you?
Catherine
caes@pacificrim.net
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 01:35:16 1997
From: Carolyn Caywood <carolyn@infi.net>
Subject: Re: STUMPER: Cinderella
I think varients of Beauty and the Beast could give Cinderella a run
for "oldest." The earliest version I know is Eros and Psyche which is
a Greek myth. I suppose the two stories might be viewed as mirror
images, but I prefer the one with the girl as the active seeker of her
beloved. Actually, B and the B is a fairly diluted version of a much
more powerful story. And, that leads me to wonder if there are any
varients in non-Indo-European cultures?
Carolyn Caywood % Save the time of the Reader %
carolyn@infi.net % --Ranganathan's 4th Law %
http://www6.pilot.infi.net/~carolyn/ FAX:757-464-6741
936 Independence Blvd. Virginia Beach, VA 23455 757-460-7519
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 01:35:35 1997
From: Lynn Foltz - Baldwin <foltzlyn@metronet.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Winter holiday storytime
Thanks to all of you who requested my storytime. You cann access it at
http://metronet.lib.mi.us/BALD/winter.html
The patterns for the felt story can be enlarged by clicking on each one.
There are no patterns for the generic child and the candle box, though.
You'll have to come up with those for that individual look!
If you have any questions, problems, comments, please e-mail me.
Lynn Foltz - Youth Librarian
Baldwin Public Library
Birmingham MI
foltzlyn@metronet.lib.mi.us
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 01:36:11 1997
From: Maria Wegscheid <mwegsche@libby.rbls.lib.il.us>
Subject: Re: School Assignments
I'm certainly not going to argue that school libraries need more funds.
We all know that's true.
However, I don't feel that under-supplied libraries is at the root of the
problem. At least, not at the root of MY problem. No school or public
library will have enough books of monologues for 100+ students to get one
Monday night for class on Tuesday.
That is poor planning, plain and simple, and the problem could have been
prevented by the teacher talking to the library in advance.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Maria J. Wegscheid
Bettendorf (IA) Public Library
mwegsche@libby.rbls.lib.il.us
Views expressed by the author do not necessarily represent those of the
Bettendorf Public Library.
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 01:36:28 1997
From: katzen@juno.com (Lenora A Oftedahl)
Subject: Re: math/science videos
> Susan, you might check out the videos of Bill Nye the Science Guy. They may
be at a lower level than you initially may want, but they are terrific
intros to lots of areas of science, and they would be useful for at-risk
students and those w learning disabilities. Also, they use the video
medium extremely well.
Holly
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 01:37:06 1997
From: "James B. Casey" <jimcasey@lib.oak-lawn.il.us>
Subject: Re: School Assignments
Maria Wegscheid wrote:
>
> I'm certainly not going to argue that school libraries need more funds.
> We all know that's true.
>
> However, I don't feel that under-supplied libraries is at the root of the
> problem. At least, not at the root of MY problem. No school or public
> library will have enough books of monologues for 100+ students to get one
> Monday night for class on Tuesday.
>
> That is poor planning, plain and simple, and the problem could have been
> prevented by the teacher talking to the library in advance.
If school librarians aren't willing to fight to keep the doors of their
libraries OPEN to support the homework and study of their student clientele,
why should the school libraries receive more money? Why should the teachers
show any real initiative and concern about library service if the school
librarians themselves are unwilling to take a stand. No public, school or
academic library can easily cope with the ravages of inept and/or lazy
teachers who give assignments without discussing matters with the Library.
But while the public and academic libraries are open and trying to deal with
such difficulties and help the students, the school libraries are closed.
Most school librarians I have talked with defend those closed doors quite
adamantly.
I don't think that we can so easily condemn the teachers while many of our
own colleagues in the library profession aren't willing to exert themselves
beyond the end of the M-F school day.
James B. Casey - My own views as a public librarian and ALA Council Member.
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 01:37:23 1997
From: Holly Willett <willett@rowan.edu>
ubject: Re: Using the library
>
In response to Caryn:
It's been my observation for many years that catalogs are really for
librarians and we are the only ones who actually know how to use them. And
even we have to be taught at the graduate level about them! They are
highly complex, abstract epistemological systems. Automation has not
actually made them easier, either, though patrons seem to like them better.
In the historical collection of a large university library, someone came up
to me and asked for help. I directed him to the reference desk and he
said, "Oh, I thought you were a librarian." I replied that I was, but
not
at that library. He thought I was a librarian solely because I used the
catalog.
Holly
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 01:37:59 1997
From: bridgett@sunrise.alpinet.net (Bridgett Johnson)
ubject: Classificatin Question
Our library uses Dewey. Is there any way or some power that could make the
Dewey authorities fix Hawaii's placement in Dewey, the 917 s aren't the
answer but after Australia on the shelf, that doesn't make any sense either?
I went through the rules explanation and still it seems to me that Hawaii
could be placed within the US still using its correct designation. I would
just make up a US number for our library's use(or at least for the youth
area), but I have a staff member that is a purist and is not very receptive
to the idea. Does any one have a convincing arguements? Am I the only
librarian bothered by this? Did I miss something in my background? Thanks
for any help.
Bridgett Johnson, Youth Services Librarian, Lewistown Public Library,
Lewistown Montana 59457 406 538-5212 bridgett@alpinet.net
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 01:38:38 1997
From: "kruger" <kruger@gezernet.co.il>
Subject: Re: toddlers and puppets
You referred to Folkmanis puppets - could you tell me what those are and
where they are available? Thanks
----------
> From: Carol Scrimgeour <scrimgeo@lemming.uvm.edu>
> To: pubyac@nysernet.org
> Subject: toddlers and puppets
> Date: éåí ùìéùé 04 ðåáîáø 1997 21:23
>
> I have been using puppets with my Babies and Toddlers storytimes for
> years and have never frightened a child yet. Perhaps it is what I do
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 01:35:16 1997
From: MARYJO9@aol.com
Subject: Re: Volunteer Thanksgiving
I don't remember your ame. Sorry. AT my former ppublic library, we had quite
a strong volunteer program. Our volunteers do everything from checking in
materials to data entry to cutting and pasting for the YS department.
Contact Adelle Swanson, Administrator, Riverdale Public Library,
708-841-3311. You can send an e-mail t her at: rds@sls.lib.il.us. Put her
name in the subject line. She would be very helpful to you. the volunteer
coordinator is Sandy Schroeder at the same number or e-mail. (The e-mail is
the library's generic box.) Hope this helps.
Mary J. Konieczka
maryjo9@aol.com
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 01:39:11 1997
From: SUSANG@ci.north-las-vegas.nv.us
Subject: Mass Assignments Again -Reply
Patrick Jones recently came to Nevada for our annual conference. His
preconference presentation on Connecting Libraries and YAs was
terrific. He mentioned that he is now working in a high school library and
last year they experiemented with using the WEB--actually designing a
Web page for an assignment. It sounded like a great idea. The School
Librarian sets up the page off the school's system and creates links
based on the Big Six system. Then the student can access the
information from the school library, public library, home or wherever they
have access.
Coming from a small public library that is still preparing for Internet
access, I understand this would not meet all students' needs. However, I
think it's a great application of technology and has the potential to meet
this critical need of communication between the teachers and
public/school librarians, too.
Susan Graf
Family Services Librarian
North Las Vegas Library District
2300 Civic Center Dr.
North Las Vegas, NV
susang@ci.north-las-vegas.nv.us
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 01:40:41 1997
From: Judy Dishong <dishonju@oplin.lib.oh.us>
Subject: Daycare Theme Kits
Hi everyone~
Does your Children's Dept. collection get wiped out by requests from day care
centers? Our Outreach Dept. services these facilities (with a great :-) )
I must blow my supervisor's horn! Melinda Baty, Children's/Outreach Services
Director, Birchard Public Library, Fremont, Ohio, was awarded a LSCA Title 1
Mini-Grant for Mobile Child Care. What she did with this grant was to develop 40
theme kits for nursery school/day care centers which will be rotated within our
service district, Sandusky County, Ohio.
The themes are: Autumn(7), Bears(10), Chinese New Year(1), Christmas
(11), Circus(8), Community helpers/Occupations(16),
Day Care Experience(5), Days/months(9), Dinosaurs(12),
Easter(5), Etiquette/behavior(15), Family(21), Farm(23),
Feelings(9), Fire safety(2), Food(6), Friends(5), Groundhog's
Day(1), Halloween(13), Hanukkah(2), Kwanzaa(2), Martin
Luther King, Jr. Day(2), Mother's Day(1), Nature(25),
Nursery rhymes/Fairy tales(15), Passover(1), Pets(13),
St. Patrick's Day(1), Science(8), Seasons(8), Self-esteem
(6), Senses(13), Spring(12), Summer(5), Teddy bears(9),
Thanksgiving(4), Transportation(15), Valentine's Day(4),
Winter(16), and Zoo(10).
The number in ( ) is the number of books per kit. All titles are available in
print. (Melinda spent all summer at the microfiche and with a stack of
catalogues in hand - a momentary forlorn face let me know that another 'great'
title was out of print! )
If anyone is interested in a bibliography of titles for any kit, please contact:
~Judy Dishong
423 Croghan St. dishonju@oplin.lib.oh.us
Fremont, Ohio 43420
419-334-7101
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 01:51:55 1997
From: CSD Assistant <hlewis@kokomo.lib.in.us>
Subject: FW: Stumpers
Sorry if this is a duplicate posting - I tried to send it last week, and
it never showed up on the list.
>----------
>From: CSD Assistant
>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 12:29 PM
>To: 'pyowner@nysernet.org'
>Subject: Stumpers
>
>Hi All!
>
>I have a patron (actually, she's our Assistant Director) who is looking for
>some books that she read as a child (early 60's). We are doing a display for
>Children's Book Week, and she would like to contribute these titles.
>
>The first couple are part of a series of 2 or 3 titles that had the same
>characters. They are humorous, novels, and the patron thinks that the author
>is a woman. The plot of one of them is a wealthy woman wants to make donuts
>(she may have done this in the past - retired?). In order to make the
donuts,
>she has to remove all of her jewelry, which then gets into the donuts. There
>may be some sort of reward offered for the people that find the jewelry in
>the donuts. Another book in the series has to do with a fire that is built
>on ice, and as the ice melts, the fire goes out. It may also involve a
>horned toad.
>
>We are also looking for a picture book, from about the same time period,
>which is about a cake that keeps rising, and the people have to eat it (?).
>
>Please let me know if you are familiar with any or all of these books. My
>e-mail address is: hlewis@kokomo.lib.in.us.
>
>TIA
>
>Helena Lewis
>Assistant Children's Librarian
>Kokomo Howard County Public Library
>Kokomo, IN 46901
>phone: (765) 457-3242
>e-mail: hlewis@kokomo.lib.in.us
>
>"To be able to be caught up in the world of thought, that is
education."
>
> - Edith Hamilton
>
>** All opinions expressed are my own and may not reflect those of my
>employer.**
>
>
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 01:52:06 1997
From: Maria Wegscheid <mwegsche@libby.rbls.lib.il.us>
Subject: Re: STUMPER: alice and gretchen at witches school
My thanks to those who told me that this book is ALICE AND GRETA by Steven
J. Simmons; illustrated by Cyd Moore; A Taleswind Book published by
Charlesbridge Publishing; ISBN 0-88106-974-4 Two young witches use their
powers in opposite ways, one helping people and the other making mischief.
There's a great refrain in the book: "Whatever you chant, whatever you
brew, Sooner or later, comes back to you."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Maria J. Wegscheid
Bettendorf (IA) Public Library
mwegsche@libby.rbls.lib.il.us
Views expressed by the author do not necessarily represent those of the
Bettendorf Public Library.
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 01:51:38 1997
From: Michelle Claire Paon <mpaon@is2.dal.ca>
Subject: Internet in YA novels
Hello all:
My classmates and I are creating a brand new issue of the newsletter known
as "YA Hotline". For this issue, we would like to compile a list of YA
novels in which the Internet plays either a major or a minor role in the
storyline.
We would welcome your suggestions, and we encourage you to include
materials written in either English, French or Spanish. The titles may be
sent to my own address, listed below. Once I have received a number of
titles, I would be happy to post them for all to share.
Thank you for your help!
Michelle Paon
2nd year student,
Masters of Library & Information Studies
Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia
mpaon@is2.dal.ca
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 01:51:22 1997
From: SuLaun@aol.com
Subject: Caterpillar stumper solved
Thank you to those who were able to solve stumper about caterpillars fighting
to get to the top of the heap - the book is Hope for the Flowers by Trina
Paulus. It was published in 1972, may still be in print, is 144 "heavily
illustrated" pages. I'm sure the requester will be happy to get the news
today. Thanks again!
Susan Laun Brough
Portsmouth Public Library, NH
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 03:52:32 1997
From: "THERESA SCHMIDT: ALBERT LEA CHILDREN'S"
<THERESAS@selco.lib.mn.us>
Subject: STUMPER--Zoooom!
Hi, everyone! I have been lurking for a very long time. I am always
impressed when a stumper is solved, so I thought I'd give it a try.
A patron recalls reading a book to her son about airplanes. She remembers
the use of the word zoom on almost every page. She thought it might have
been spelled with extra O's for emphasis. This book was read about 20 years
ago. She wasn't sure if it was new then. She would like to buy the book
for her son who is about to become a father, so he can read it to his child.
Any help would be appreciated. I have only done some keyword searching on
our own catalog. Thank you for your time.
Theresa Schmidt, Children's Librarian
Albert Lea Public Library
211 E Clark St
Albert Lea, Mn 56007
theresas@selco.lib.mn.us
(507) 377-4356
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 03:57:18 1997
From: Elaine Williams <williael@oplin.lib.oh.us>
Subject: Historical fiction--famous people
Dear Pubyaccers:
I have a patron who is in the fifth grade who needs to find a historical
fiction book in which a character meets a famous person. The only ones I
could think of were _When Hitler Stole Pink Rabbit_ and _Across Five
Aprils_ (in which the famous person is Abe Lincoln). However, we don't
have these books at our branch, and she wants something we do have. I
can't think of any other titles. I have checked _More Books Kids Will Sit
Still For_ and Children's Novelist (using the search terms "famous
people"). Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
Elaine Williams
Children's Librarian
Lynchburg, OH
williael@oplin.lib.oh.us
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 19:44:19 1997
From: Andrea Johnson <gadberry@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re:encyclopedias (was Re:sociology of librarianship)
Not to mention that Encarta isn't very high quality in terms of the
information it provides. Sure, it's got snazzy graphics, and makes good
use of its multimedia environment, but it's based on the Funk & Wagnalls
encyclopedia, which you may recall is a supermarket encyclopedia. If you
want nice presentation, Encarta's great, but in terms of information
quality, you're probably better off with trusty old WorldBook (or
Britannica, of course).
===========================================================================
Andrea Johnson University of Illinois
agadberr@uiuc.edu
On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, pubyac wrote:
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:11:59 -0800 (PST)
> From: Wally Bubelis <wallyb@halcyon.com>
> Subject: Re: sociology of librarianship
>
> I'm confused. By invoking the Microsoft encyclopedia, do you mean to say
> there *is* a replacement for the public library in the form of this
> electronic resource, or are you pointing out that the ad campaign that
> seemed to work in the fifties will also seem to work in the nineties?
<snip>
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 19:44:22 1997
From: Rosemary Moran <rmoran@ns1.tccl.lib.ok.us>
ubject: Teacher Notification Forms
The recent thread on school assignments has rekindled my interest in
developing a form for our staff to give to kids and parents who have spent
time looking for assigned information or materials due to one of these
assignments. We had such a form several years ago, but stopped using it
because it needed revision.
I'd really like to receive copies of such forms to use both as a basis to
revise our form, and to show my supervisors what other libraries are using.
It might help convince them that such a form is useful.
I'd be happy to receive forms by mail at the address below, or by email if
you'd rather do it that way.
Thanks in advance for everything.
Rosemary Moran
Coordinator of Young Adult Services
Tulsa City-County Library
400 Civic Center
Tulsa OK 74103
(918) 596-7931 (Voice)
(918) 596-7907 (Fax)
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 19:44:21 1997
From: claudia@pcnet.com (Claudia Livolsi)
ubject: Re:Juvenile bindings
I am wondering if anyone know of any statistics regarding library bindings
vs. trade bindings. The discount difference between the two is 20% and I
am curious whether or not the price difference is worth it. I have
searched EBSCO to no avail and I have also looked at picture books with the
two types of bindings and to my eye, the difference was not readily
apparent. I imagine that the quality of binding varies from publisher to
publisher. Does anyone have any info on binding quality by publisher?
TIA.
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 19:44:16 1997
From: Julie Ann Rines <jrines@ocln.org>
Subject: Importance of reading aloud to children
I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I know I have
read, heard, seen that "the most important thing a parent can do to help
a child prepare for school is read aloud", the quotes are mine. What I
am trying to do is locate the source of this nugget of wisdom and a
correct quote, hopefully this won't turn out to be an urban myth without
a source. For a change I'm working in advance, I want to use it in
materials for the Week of the Young Child in April.
Thanks for any leads.
Julie Rines
Thomas Crane PL
Quincy, MA
jrines@ocln.org
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 19:44:21 1997
From: "Jane Williams" <jwilliams@brownsville.lib.tx.us>
ubject: Spanish Fingerplays
Many thanks to all who responded to my request for fingerplays in Spanish.
Here is the collective response!
· Sometimes the Magazine Lollipops has Spanish fingerplays.
· Some of the nursery rhymes in the usual collections can be used as
fingerplays: Mother Goose on the Rio Grande; Las nanas de Abuela, etc.
· Holding up you left hand, say:
Este nino hallo un huevo. (use your right hand to wiggle the left
pinkie and fold it down)
Este lo cocio. (wiggle the left ring finger and fold down)
Este lo pelo. (use your right thumb and index fingers to "peel" the
middle finger on your left hand)
Este le echo la sal. ("sprinkle" salt on the left index finger)
Y este gordito chaparrito (wiggle the left thumb)
Se lo comio todo (at the end, put your thumb in your mouth)
It always gets a big giggle 'cause we're not supposed to suck our
thumbs!
· There are eight, with English counterparts, in Louise Binder Scott's
_Rhymes for Fingers and Flannelboards_ (Mc-Graw-Hill, 1960.)
· PLAY IT IN SPANISH: SPANISH GAMES AND FOLK SONGS FOR CHILDREN, by
Mariana Beeching de Prieto. Pub. by John Day Co., 1973.
· DE COLORES: AND OTHER LATIN AMERICAN FOLK SONGS FOR CHILDREN, by Jose
Luis Orozco. Pub. by Dutton, 1994.
· There are some charming ones which I have used in programs in
"Tortillitas
Por Mama"- illus by Barbara Cooney
· Lulu Delacre's Arroz con Leche
Ruben Sandoval's Games, Games, Games=Juegos,Juegos, Juegos
Dabcovich"s Keys to my kingdom might be helpful for rhymes to adapt into
fingerplays.
· 10th edition of a book of fingerplays published by the Flint Public Library.
About 25 are Spanish-language fingerplays. The work is about $7.00, and is
143 pp. long, with both a subject index and an index of first lines. It is
soft cover, spiral-bound.
Here is the ordering info:
Ti: Ring A Ring O'Roses: Finger Plays for Preschool Children
Au: Flint Public Library
ISBN: 0-9654589-0-3
Order from: Flint Public Library Business Office
1026 East Kearsley
Flint, Michigan 48502-1994
(810) 232-7111
D. Jane Williams 210/548-1055
Children's Librarian jwillliams@brownsville.lib.tx.us
Brownsville Public Library
2600 Central Blvd.
Brownsville, TX 78578
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 19:44:51 1997
From: Martha Grant <grant@noblenet.org>
Subject: Re: School Assignments
In our city the school librarians make twice ( that's 2 times as much as
the Department Heads of the city Library. They work nights, Saturdays,
Sundays. They serve a city of 28,000 and do quite a lot of research for
the school libarians who have 14 weeks of vacation do not work nights or
week-ends and WE are open when it snows. And might I add the school
librarians do not even know the correct names of the people that they are
asking for help here. Needless to day they do not come here.>
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Martha Grant | Melrose Public Library
Library Assistant | Melrose, Massachusetts
grant@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange*
--------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 19:45:06 1997
From: Holly Willett <willett@rowan.edu>
ubject: Re: School librarians
>Having been both a children's librarian and a school librarian, I can
>understand why school librarians are not anxious to be open more hours.
>Unless you have had 7 class visits a day, every day, all week for 9 months
>a year, with no other adult in the room with you and constant
>interruptions from teachers needing lamps for their AV equipment, etc.,
>plus the entire responsibility for managing and administering the library
>with no clerical help and only very occasional volunteer assistance, you
>can have no idea what being a school librarian is like. <snip>
I don't believe that school librarians do not want library access for their
students in the evening and on weekends. It is that most of them,
especially at the elementary level, are overextended by the requirements
they already must meet. And they know that getting more staff is highly
unlikely.
Yes, we could all be more cooperative with each other, but cooperation has
costs: Time and money, for example. But it could really start with an
agreement that we will not lambast other branches of the profession and
that we will all remember that young people come first, as so many of us on
this list have said repeatedly, but adults also have the right to let some
of their needs come first some of the time.
Ciao--Holly
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 19:47:47 1997
From: bridgett@sunrise.alpinet.net (Bridgett Johnson)
ubject: Adoption Books
My library is in need of some updated books both fiction and nonfiction on
adoption for preschool to elementary levels and those written for parents to
be used with young children. I do have Katie-Bo, and Allen Say's Allison,
but not much else. We also had the Adopted One by Sara Bonnett Stein(NF)
but it was written in the 70s as many of the others we have that deal with
adoption. Can anyone suggest a couple of good titles especially in NF?
Thank you.
Bridgett Johnson, Youth Services Librarian, Lewistown Public Library,
Lewistown Montana 59457 406 538-5212 bridgett@alpinet.net
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 19:48:14 1997
From: owner-pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: ideas for a magazine presentation
I will be doing a presentation for third graders dealing with the
importance of magazines for up to date news and fun. Any ideas on how to
present it would be appreciated.
Karen Doktor
SILS Student
From: Karen A Doktor <kadoktor@acsu.buffalo.edu>
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 19:48:31 1997
From: Knieriem <lknierie@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Re: STUMPER: Cinderella
Not to be pedantic, but "Eros and Psyche" or more properly "Cupid
and Psyche", since we only know it only from its Roman form in the
"Golden
Ass" of Lucius Apuleius, is probably not a Greek myth in the sense of an
authentic folk story, but rather a literary fable constructed to make a
specific philosophical/religious point. I wouldn't have brought this up
except for the ongoing debate about "real" folktales and legends vs.
"constructed" ones (e.g., Paul Bunyan, a number of the "Native
American"
folktales and legends books), we ought to recognize that the practice of
making up legends is very ancient, and just because a story is old doesn't
mean that it is part of an authentic folk tradition.
(BTW, Beauty and the Beast, as we most commonly know the story, is
also not a traditional folktale but a literary construct, written by
Jeanne-Marie Leprince de Beaumont specifically to point out the
"civilizing" effect of the female sex upon the brute male!)
#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#
] Lesley Knieriem [
# Reference/YA Librarian (516) 549-4411 #
] South Huntington Public Library lknierie@suffolk.lib.ny.us [
# Huntington Station, NY 11746 #
] ------------------------------------------------------------- [
# "Do not try to know everything, lest you end up ignorant of #
= everything." -- Democritus, ETHICS [
#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#
On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Carolyn Caywood wrote:
> I think varients of Beauty and the Beast could give Cinderella a run
> for "oldest." The earliest version I know is Eros and Psyche
which is
> a Greek myth. I suppose the two stories might be viewed as mirror
> images, but I prefer the one with the girl as the active seeker of her
> beloved. Actually, B and the B is a fairly diluted version of a much
> more powerful story. And, that leads me to wonder if there are any
> varients in non-Indo-European cultures?
>
> Carolyn Caywood % Save the time of the Reader %
> carolyn@infi.net % --Ranganathan's 4th Law %
> http://www6.pilot.infi.net/~carolyn/ FAX:757-464-6741
> 936 Independence Blvd. Virginia Beach, VA 23455 757-460-7519
>
>
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 19:48:34 1997
From: Sally Kintner <skintner@wln.com>
Subject: Pen pal for a homeschooler
We've searched children's and teen magazines for help in finding pen pals.
How does a child find a bona fide pen pal? This girl is 12, lives in NW
Washington state, and wants to correspond with a girl in the midwest if
possible. Please respond to skintner@wln.com Thanks!
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 19:48:54 1997
From: BKUNZEL@aol.com
Subject: Re: School Assignments
I am a young adult librarian in an urban library now. Before this position I
was a young adult/reference librarian in a suburban library. In both
positions, I have worked hard to cooperate with the schools and the media
specialists employed there. Lack of advance notice about assignments is
something that we share in common. I could seldom get any warning and
neither could the media specialists. It is my observation that they were
just as unprepared as the public libraries to handle an unannounced
assignment. If one of my "friends" heard about an assignment in
advance, she
would call me, but that seldom happened. I feel very strongly that it is not
our place as public librarians to blame our co-workers for a situation that
is as much out of their control as ours. I like the comments I have seen
about educating the teachers. I think that is an approach that could be very
beneficial.
I would also like to comment on the refusal of the media specialists to keep
their doors open after hours. It is not within their powers to do so. A
media specialist and I ran a bookclub after hours in the junior high library
across the street from my public library. The media specialist had to get
special permission from the administration to keep the library open, not to
check out books but simply as a club meeting place. The problem -- her union
would not allow her to work any extra hours. She wanted to stay late and
help and wound up doing it on her own time. But she certainly did not have
the authority to make the decision to keep the library open.
Public libraries and school media centers are serving the same kids, but in
different ways. My public library is certainly not set up to handle three or
four classes (20 - 30 students per class) at the same time or to provide
teaching sets of multiple copies of a title or simply to have a truly
extensive non-fiction collection that is geared to a specific area of the
curriculum. On the other hand, we are open late and weekends, I have the
knowledge to help students locate the books we do have in an area and am
there to guide them in "recreational reading" -- my true love. We
don't have
the funds to "buy to the curriculum" but we do try to get resources to
meet
assignments, when we can. And when we can't, there's always the note to
explain to the teacher that our resources in this area were limited or that
all the books on this topic had already been checked out because we had no
way of knowing that this was a class assignment.
I am concerned at the adversarial tone of some of the "discussion" on
this
topic. I see us as partners, working hard to help the students in any way
that we can. I have never found it particularly helpful to blame someone
else. Instead I try to put as constructive and positive a slant as I can on
it. In the long run, it is the students we are trying to serve who will
suffer if efforts to cooperate and understand one another's problems fall by
the wayside.
These are my views as a young adult librarian and an ALA Council Member.
Bonnie Kunzel
Young Adult Librarian
New Brunswick Free Public Library
60 Livingston Avenue
New Brunswick, NJ 08901
TEL (732) 745-5116
FAX (732) 846-0226
bkunzel@aol.com
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 19:49:30 1997
From: Sue Becker <beckersu@oplin.lib.oh.us>
Subject: Thanksgiving fingerplays
Hi Lenora,
Here's some poems, rhymes, fingerplays that we will be using for our
storytimes:
Turkey's Tail Turkey
Feathers
(sung to the "Muffin Man")
Turkey's tail is big and wide. Cut out
different color feathers and let the children put them on
He swings it when he walks. the turkey.
His neck is long;his chin is red.
He gobbles when he talks. Do you have a
(name of color) feather,
Turkey is so tall and proud. (Name of
color)feather,(name of color)feather?
He dances on his feet. If you
have a (name of color)feather?
And on each Thanksgiving Day, Put it on right
now.
He's something good to eat.
The Turkey Thank
you
The turkey is a funny bird Mother,
Father, Sister, Brother,
His head goes wobble, wobble Baby too will
say,
And all he says is just one word Thank you
thank you thank you
Gobble,gobble ,gobble. On this
Thanksgiving Day.
Hello Mr. Turkey Do the
Turkey Hop
(sung to If you're happy and you know it) (sung to the Farmer
in the Dell)
Hello Mr Turkey how are you? Do the turkey
hop
Hello Mr Turkey how are you? Do the turkey
run
With a gobble,gobble,gobble, Do the
turkey gobble
And a wobble,wobble,wobble It's a lot of fun.
Hello Mr. Turkey how are you? Now flap your
wings
Like the turkeys do.
Run from the farmer
Before he catches you.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 19:49:35 1997
From: Sue Becker <beckersu@oplin.lib.oh.us>
Subject: Family craft ideas
For our storytime on families we made a very simple family tree. We had
pre-cut shapes of a tree trunk and leaves out of construction paper.
Then each child with his adult companion wrote the names of their family
members on individual leaves. The children then glued these to a blank
piece of construction paper and added to it with crayons, stickers
(forest animals) and stamps.
We have also done a family mobile with the same idea. We start with
paper plate that the children glue a shape (we've used hearts and houses
so far) onto. Then an adult helps them print "Sarah's family" or
"The
Smith's". Then heart shapes are used for each member of the family and
they are strung in a line with yarn underneath the paper plate. One
child made one for his Grandma that said "Grandma's Sweethearts" and
listed all the names of the grandchildren.
We have also done a construction paper house with window flaps that fold
open. The kids glue this onto another piece of construction paper and
add faces behind the windows by using colored circle dots. They can add
features with magic markers, hair with yarn, and extra things outside
the house with crayons.
We invite the parents to come in for the last 15 minutes of storytime to
help with the craft because we feel there is a big difference between
what a 3year old can do and what a 5 year old can do. So sometimes we
can do more involved crafts than what may normally be done.
Hope this helps!!!
Sue
---------------------
From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Nov 6 19:50:05 1997
From: Sue Becker <beckersu@oplin.lib.oh.us>
Subject: BIB: Thanks for the Math Fiction
Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for Math Fiction titles.
Here is the list so far:
2 X 2 = BOO! by Loreen Leedy
Math Curse by John Scieszka
Sideways Arithmetic from Wayside School by Louis Sachar
Eating Fractions by Bruce McMillan
Shape Changer by Bill Brittain
Mystery of the Several Sevens by Bill Brittain
Folktale about the boy who asked the only reward he needed from the
emperor was for him to put one coin on a checkerboard square, and then
double it in the next square, and double that again until all the
squares were full.(Don't know the title)
The King's Commissioners by Aileen Friedman
Fraction Fun by David Adler
Roman Numerals I to MM by Arthur Geisert
Anno's Math Games I, II & III
Visual Magic by David Thomsom
I Spy books
Sticks by Joan Bauer (Great article in Booklinks about this book)
Read Any Good Math Lately? Children's Books for Mathematical Learning,
K-6
It's the Story that Counts:More Children's Books for Mathematical
Learning K-6
Website: http://www.monroe.lib.in.us/childrens/mathbib.html
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU !!! It's not too late to keep those
titles coming. You all
have been immensely helpful.
Sue
---------------------
|