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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 00:52:43 1997
From: Denise Zielinski <dzielins@dupagels.lib.il.us>
ubject: Re: Christmas trees in general


Our Friends group has community organizations and groups who decorate
wreaths for the library. We supply the wreath (about 10 of them, not live)
and the various groups decorate them on a theme. It works out great for
the organization, decorates the library and doesn't take up much space at
all! It also is somewhat non-denominational.



Denise Zielinski
Head, Young People's Services
Helen M. Plum Memorial Library
110 W. Maple Street
Lombard, Illinois 60148
(630) 627-0316
FAX: (630) 627-0336
E-mail: dzielins@dupagels.lib.il.us

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 00:52:43 1997
From: Sandy Farmer <sfarmer@sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us>
ubject: RE: Puppet theatres and puzzles,,,


Several of the Houston Public Library buildings were built with
puppet stages in the public areas. This was apparently some other
architect's fantasy because all it is is wasted space. Every
librarian who has been in those buildings has never used the
theater and has wished that the floor space contained shelving,
seating, computers or some other useful thing. The enclosed area
behind the the stage becomes a catch all for assorted junk and it
just never works. These same buildings have meeting rooms where
all storytimes and shows are held and the public area is not
appropriate.


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Name: Sandy Farmer
E-mail: Sandy Farmer <sfarmer@hpl.lib.tx.us>
Date: 11/18/97
Time: 11:04:34

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 00:52:43 1997
From: Jill Patterson <jpatterson@lightside.com>
ubject: Re: IF and youth


Our library installed public Internet access almost a year ago. Before we
did, we met as a committee to create an AUP to recommend to our Board of
Trustees. At that time, I was completely against the idea of any kind of
filtering--but my full-time reference librarian was not. We were, in fact,
at polar opposites. As it turned out, our Board mandated the use of
filters, so we began testing them and seeing how they worked. I became
involved with Karen Schneider's TIFAP, which involved testing about a dozen
different filters including the one our library ended up buying
(CyberPatrol). I also attended and spoke at a couple of workshops on
Internet filtering and listening to lawyers explain the legal opinions on
filters, obscenity, and child pornography.

This is a long-winded way of explaining that I have since changed my stance.
The current issue of American Libraries contains an excellent article by
Karen Hyman. She points out that libraries never have bought "adult" movies
or books (you know, the kind that are only sold in stores that you have to
be over 21 to enter). Why not? We can use the excuse about money and shelf
space, but the truth is, we wouldn't buy them anyway. So why allow it in
our library on the Internet if there is a way to avoid it? After using
CyberPatrol for almost a year on "light" settings, I have had only one
legitimate site blocked (and since the URL is given, we could over ride the
block). We have never had a patron complain that they couldn't find the
information they wanted because it was blocked. No filter is perfect, and
of course there is the possibility that some obscene (obscene in the legal
sense) site will come through.

The Internet is the first real testing ground for how far we are willing to
go in the name of intellectual freedom. I still have lots of questions. I
am interested in hearing what my fellow member, Fran Jones of the California
State Law Library, of the California Library Assn.'s Intellectual Freedom
Committee will say at our Monday workshop on Internet Filters during this
weekend's annual convention. If there is interest, I'll be happy to post
the results.
Jill Patterson JPatterson@lightside.com
Glendora Public Library 140 S. Glendora Ave. Glendora, CA 91741
Tel: 626/852-4896 FAX: 626/852-4899


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 00:52:43 1997
From: tnorstro@lexecon.com
Subject: Re: Summer Reading Programs






How about "You've Seen the Movie...Now Read The Book!" This is actually a
booktalk idea, but may work in a reading programs as well.




mschafer@tln.lib.mi.us on 11/17/97 01:59:57 PM







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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 00:52:42 1997
From: tnorstro@lexecon.com
Subject: Re: good library schools for children's librarians & IF






I'm curious - how many semester hours does University of Wisconsin require
for a masters??


Thanks,
Terri Norstrom
norstrom@lexecon.com



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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 00:52:45 1997
From: Holly Willett <willett@rowan.edu>
ubject: Re: School library opening hours


Since I started the thread on school assignments and the public library, I
am rather loath to get into it again. However, I had some discussions with
a colleague here in Secondary Ed and also with the grad students in my
seminar, and they told me that there are several school libraries in the
local area that do have evening open hours, most notably Deptford High
which stays open until 7 three nights a week for the express purpose of
giving parents a chance to help their children. Some elementary schools
have also experimented or have at least one night open for the same reason.
All is not lost, at least in South Jersey.

Holly Willett



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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 00:53:18 1997
From: saecker@axp.winnefox.org
Subject: Re: Christmas trees in general


I have struggled with the Christmas decorating issues for some time. In our
library, we have stopped putting up the decked out tree in the entryway, but
still participate in a local angel tree program that gives gifts to
underprivileged children (we use a plain wooden tree with no tinsel,
although we do light it.) We put together titles from our collection as
well, but make sure that there are Hanukkah and Kwanzaa titles as well as
Christmas.

Tasha Saecker
Caestecker Public Library
Green Lake, WI




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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 00:53:21 1997
From: "Carolyn Noah" <cnoah@cwmarsmail.cwmars.org>
Subject: Re: XML and filters


Hi!
XML will be the next generation -- after HTML 4, soon to be released.
XML means "extensible markup language". According to the W3
consortium it will replace HTML and be very flexible and responsive.
It doesn't really exist yet, from what I can tell. Check out
their website at http://www.w3.org/ for developments.

Carolyn Noah


Carolyn Noah, Consultant
Central Massachusetts Regional Library System
3 Salem Square, Worcester, MA 01608-2074
tel: 508 799-1697 fax: 508 799-1611
e-mail: cnoah@cwmarsmail.cwmars.org

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 00:53:30 1997
From: Jane Casto <jcasto@clsn1269.cumberland.lib.nc.us>
Subject: Re: Helping illiterate persons


In response to the post about helping an illiterate patron, I would
treat the transaction as normally as possible. I
would conduct a reference interview to determine info need (maybe the
person is not looking for a referal for literacy that day...but looking
for other information). If literacy classes are the focus of the request,
I would refer to proper agencies in our area (as we do not ourselves
provide literacy classes). If needed, I would make the call, etc.
myself...if that would make the situation more comfortable for the
customer.

If the customer is simply looking for other information, I would
select an appropriate source, as I would for any other customer, and
read the information to the customer, answer any other questions I could,
ect.







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| Jane Casto |
| Librarian II |
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| Mail: Cumberland County Public Library & Information Center |
| Cliffdale Branch Library |
| 6882 Cliffdale Road |
| Fayetteville, North Carolina 28314-1975 |
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| E-Mail: jcasto@cumberland.lib.nc.us |
| http://www.cumberland.lib.nc.us |
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 00:53:38 1997
From: Esther Rickelton <esthrick@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: CD-Rom Selection Policies


With regard to selection of CD ROM for use in the library. One of the
important issues is that of compatability with the equipment and software
used by your library. Our system finds many CD ROMs which we would select
for content will not run on our system because of the security software.
We now test before we buy.

Esther Rickelton esthrick@kcls.org
Associate Director for Public Services voice 206-296-5290
King County Library System Fax 206-850-9872 300 8th Ave. N
Seattle, Wa 98109




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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 00:54:28 1997
From: Knieriem <lknierie@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Re: ornament


Just an additional note on the whole "holiday in the library"
debate: As a Christian and a member of the supposed majority culture, I
don't receive any particular validation from having some watered-down
version of "my" holiday thrust on me by public libraries, shopping malls,
gas stations, et. al. In fact, I am just as offended by what seems to me
to be a perversion of an important celebration by interpolating bizarre
elements and inappropriate contexts (just what do "Santa Cows" have to do
with the awesome miracle of God becoming human, after all?) So maybe the
public library can take a stand, and be the one island of sanity in a
culture caught up in winter holiday madness; I can't imagine that anyone
would be offended by just leaving ALL religious holidays strictly alone!

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On Sun, 16 Nov 1997, Johnson, Deidre wrote:

>
> One more addition to the dialogue: a number of people have suggested ways
> of recognizing hanukkah and kwanzaa as well as Christmas; it's also perhaps
> worth remembering that a plain winter scene amid the decorations might
> acknowledge those who don't celebrate any December holidays (Jehovah's
> Witnesses, for example).
>
> Deidre Johnson
> djohnson@wcupa.edu
>


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 00:56:05 1997
From: "Nancy J. Hackett" <njhackett@starbase1.htls.lib.il.us>
Subject: Re: Holiday programs/separation?


Andy/Anne Paradise wrote:
Santa is pretty much secular by now, and there are always snowflakes,
snowmen and such seasonal and totally non-religious decorations. And of course
, trees are a pagan symbol and fairly recent European invention!

I worked for several years in an orthodox Jewish neighborhood in a large
city. The Christmas trees that were displayed in the other branches were
totally unappropriate there. Snowflakes and candles were all right for
December decorations and we had a sign that said Happy Holidays.

Santa and Halloween were considered VERY CHRISTIAN symbols and were
unacceptable to the point that many adults and older children would check the
chapter headings in fiction to be sure that there were no Halloween or
Christmas scenes.

Nancy J. Hackett
Fountaindale Public Library
Romeoville, IL 60446
njhackett@htls.lib.il.us



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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 00:56:29 1997
From: Knieriem <lknierie@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Re: XML and filters


XML (short for extensible markup language) is a meta language
newly developed for Web pages that allows documents to be "tagged" as
certain "types" of sites, and to put in type-specific "tags" at each site,
as agreed-on user protocols. The idea is, among other things, that it
would allow your search engine to distinguish between sites for breast
fetishists, medical information on breast cancer, and chicken breast
recipes. I am not techie enough to explain this
well, but there are several articles on XML in Info World for Oct. 13,
1997; PC Magazine for Nov. 4, 1997; PC Week for Nov 3 1997; and a rather
gee-wiz longish article in the Nov 10, 1997 Time. As I understand it,
XML COULD make Internet filters much more workable and acceptable in
public libraries IF all the following unlikely conditions are met:
1. ALL publishers of "pornographic" sites agree to use this
language, and agree on a common protocol;
2. ALL filters use XML, and can be modified by users as to
exactly and specifically which "types" and "tags" are to be blocked;
and (most important and most unlikely)
3. ALL those installing filters in the first place agree exactly
what they consider to be problems and why. It won't do a darn bit of
good to be able to block out all those
toddlers-having-sex-with-barnyard-animals sites that our patrons are
clamoring for (such a nuisance, having to clear them off the screens all
the time!), when what then censors are REALLY interested in is keeping
patrons from being exposed to religions, lifestyles, and ideas that are
different from what THEY consider to be "safe" for our tender youth.
Just my twenty cents!

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# Huntington Station, NY 11746 #
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 00:59:20 1997
From: StoryPage@aol.com
Subject: Re: Puppet theatres and puzzles,,,


In a message dated 97-11-17 06:34:53 EST, you write:

<< I
am looking for libraries that have puppet stages in the PUBLIC area (not
in the storyroom, safely locked away.) Does it work? Will children
refrain from pushing brother or sister through the stage? Will it become
an easy target for book throwing? AND how do you keep your (CHEAP)
puppets from being stolen >>

I have always used puppet stages in my storytimes, often in the public area,
and have never had any problems with them, probably because of the design.
Wheels help. One stage I could just wheel back up against the wall after
programs. If you can't do that, probably the best bet is to have the walls of
the stage solid, and find a way to block off the back so little ones can't
get back there. Even when they could, though, it was never really a problem.
Just a little loud. Simple supervision of the area should take care of
that.

And just lock your puppets away after programs.

I gotta say, though, your staff has a very good imagination. I've never seen
books thrown at the stage.

--Jim Maroon

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 00:59:43 1997
From: "Middendorf-Kredell Branch Children's" <mkchild@mail.win.org>
Subject: sleepovers?


Hi everyone,
An elementary school librarian in our library district inquired the
other day about sleepovers at the library. The public library does not do
this, but she was wondering if we had any information, ideas or input from
any libraries that have hosted such an activity. She said it would
probably not be an actual sleepover. Rather, an evening of activities
after the library was closed. If anyone has any ideas, suggestions or
personal experience, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. My
e-mail is trobben@mail.win.org. Thanks in advance for any helpful advice!
Theresa Robben

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St. Charles City-County Library District Voice: (314) 978-7926/272-4999
Middendorf-Kredell Branch - Children's Desk Fax: (314) 978-7998
2750 Highway K Email: mkchild@mail.win.org
O'Fallon, MO 63366
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 01:00:11 1997
From: Sarah Hudson <shudson@plcmc.lib.nc.us>
Subject: CD roms for preschoolers


Hi,

Richard Scarry's Busytown and How Things Work in BusyTown
are extrememly popular here in the library. They run on a MAC.

My neice and nephew have these at home and they run on a Windows
PC.

The preschoolers (and even older kids) LOVE Busytown.

The three most popular CD Roms at our location are

Busytown, How things Work in Busytown, and Arthur's Birthday.


Sarah Hudson
Information Specialist
Independence Regional Library
Public Library of Charlotte and Mecklenburg County
shudson@plcmc.lib.nc.us

These opinions are my own, and do not reflect those of PLCMC


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 01:00:38 1997
From: "Middendorf-Kredell Branch Children's" <mkchild@mail.win.org>
Subject: homeschoolers


Hello Everyone,
I am currently working as a Children's Librarian and am working on two
classes to finish my MLS degree. For one of the classes, my final project
is to form a research proposal. I am doing homeschooling and public
library collections/services. Specifically, I would like to look at how
well public library collections suit homeschoolers' needs. Additionally,
I would like to look at services that public libraries could provide for
homeschoolers. If
anyone has any information, ideas or services they believe would help
with this project, I would greatly appreciate their input. Thanks a lot!
Theresa Robben
trobben@mail.win.org

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St. Charles City-County Library District Voice: (314) 978-7926/272-4999
Middendorf-Kredell Branch - Children's Desk Fax: (314) 978-7998
2750 Highway K Email: mkchild@mail.win.org
O'Fallon, MO 63366
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 01:00:39 1997
From: Sarah Hudson <shudson@plcmc.lib.nc.us>
Subject: to all who want website evaluation flyer


Hi,

I will try and get the flyer on Evaluating Websites sent out in the next couple
of weeks. I have addresses for folks on several different terminals.

I will try and retype the contents on the List, so that anyone who would
like it can read it and print it out.

Sarah
Sarah Hudson
Information Specialist
Independence Regional Library
Public Library of Charlotte and Mecklenburg County
shudson@plcmc.lib.nc.us

These opinions are my own, and do not reflect those of PLCMC


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 01:01:01 1997
From: Michael M Hung <mmhung@school.net.hk>
ubject: Re: CD-Rom Selection Policies


1. Price
2. Content suit the target audience level
3. easy of use
4. authoritative content
5. include multimedia
6. interactive

PLEASE, also post a HIT

At 11:55 AM 1997/11/17 -0600, you wrote:
>We are in the process of developing a collection of CD-Roms for
>circulation. Can anyone help me with selection policies or ideas of what
>should be included in a policy? I have some ideas, but don't want to miss
>anything with this format.
>
>Please send all e-mail to me at the address listed below. Thanks in
>advance and I will post if there's interest.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Denise
>Denise Zielinski
>Head, Young People's Services
>Helen M. Plum Memorial Library
>110 W. Maple Street
>Lombard, Illinois 60148
>(630) 627-0316
>FAX: (630) 627-0336
>E-mail: dzielins@dupagels.lib.il.us
>
>
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michael hung
SKH Bishop Mok Sau Tseng Secondary School Librarian
HK Professional Teachers' Union, Teacher-librarians' Group, Chairman

Jesus Christ, is the same Yesterday and Today and Forever. ~Hebrew 13:8 NIV
Homepage = http://www.hknet.com/~mmhung/
michael email: mmhung@hknet.com [or] mmhung@schoool.net.hk
ida email: idayhchan@valise.com ida & michael Hung
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 01:05:52 1997
From: CONJCIRC@mln.lib.ma.us
Subject: Stumper:Boy Scientists


Patron looking for a 1950s adventure series about 2 boys who visit a
an eccentric scientist whose labratory is in an old house with an
elderly landlord. Science experiments take them on various adventures.
sound familiar. If so, please contact conmail13@mln.lib.ma.us. thank you.

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 01:06:07 1997
From: lauram@ci.hillsboro.or.us
Subject: Vague Stumper Rq


Today is definitely the day to stump the librarian! Another patron was
in today trying to find a book described as,"contemporary, maybe early
80's, about a boy who owns a turtle, literally wears his breakfast after
a threat from his parent, may have a younger brother".
I did let her know that this may be hard to identify without any real
plotline or character names. If you have any good wild guesses, please
direct them to me and I will forward the titles on to her. Please
respond directly to me. TIA
Laura Mikowski, Youth Librarian
Hillsboro Public Library (OR)
lauram@ci.hillsboro.or.us

Laura Mikowski, Youth Librarian
Hillsboro Public Library (OR)
lauram@ci.hillsboro.or.us

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 01:06:03 1997
From: lauram@ci.hillsboro.or.us
Subject: Stumper-late 70's JFIC


It's a mystery book, and probably Juvenile Fiction
"A girl looks enough like Jinky to be her twin sister.
A box with the words `Heads and Body Parts,' that turns out to be doll
parts. I think in a shed, or a house owned by an old woman? There's an
orphanage.-where Jinky lives?"

That's all I know from a patron who is curious to find this book again.
Does it ring any bells? I've tried:WHAT DO CHILDREN READ NEXT-character
index.
TIA
Please respond directly to me and I'll post the answer.


Laura Mikowski
Youth Librarian
Hillsboro (OR) Public Library
lauram@ci.hillsboro.or.us

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 01:05:41 1997
From: Katy Grant <imzadi@thepoint.net>
Subject: Re: Illiteracy


Vicki,

It would depend on the type of help for which the patron is looking. If
the information comes in the form of an address, phone number or title of a
book, I would simply hand them the information. In the case of the simple
address or phone number, I would repeat the information I located and then
print it out on note paper and give it to the patron. Counting on the fact
that they would have a family member or friend who could read it for them
later if need be. If it were a book and available, I would check it out for
them or place a copy on reserve for them.

We are there to answer a patron's reference questions or informational needs,
not sit in judgement of the type of educational instruction he/she may need.
I have been asked about GED classes by patrons before and gladly directed them
to the agency that conducts these classes in our area. I would never suggest,
to a patron that they should take a class to improve their reading skills. In
my twenty odd years in Library systems, I can count the number of patrons on
one hand that have admitted to a lack of reading skills and asked for my help.
On the other hand I could count from today until tomorrow the number of
patrons whom I have watched struggle with reading materials I have handed
them. When this has happened, I usually manage to find a tactful means of
helping them locate the information they need in a form more easily read by
them.

In library school, one of my professors said..."Remember and consider this
fact above all else, no where else in our society can a stranger walk up to
another stranger and ask for help, expect to get it and does get it." Now
that statement may not be totally accurate, it has come pretty darn close when
I remember some of the types of information people have asked for from me in
the past.

On a personal note, please respect that in today's world, more so then in any
other time in our history, illiteracy is an embarressment as well as a
handcap to the majority of adults who lack these skills. To point out this
disability is to alienate your patron. There are a variety of reasons for
illiteracy in today's society, a number of them are physical and mental
handicaps, not just because the person has refused to spend time in a
classroom.

Katy Grant
West Region Children's Librarian
Shawnee Branch
Louisville Free Public Library
Louisville, KY

imzadi@thepoint.net
katy@louisville.lib.ky.us

> I am a student at the university of Buffalo. For one of my classes we are
> writting papers on specific issues that may affect or jobs. I have chosen
> Illiteracy. Can anyone give me some advice on how to handle a situation if
> an illiterate patron asks for help? Do you direct this person to help
> classes, or find what he/she wants? thank you in advance!!!
>
> Vicki M. Partridge
> SILS Student
> University of Buffalo
> " Don't Dream it, Be it!! "
>
> From: Vicki M Partridge <vmp@acsu.buffalo.edu>




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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 01:12:12 1997
From: "F. Brautigam" <fbrautig@nslsilus.org>
ubject: Barn Stumper Solved


Thanks to all of you who recognized our barn stumper as the short story
"The Revolt of Mother." It has been published in several collections and
we had it right on hand. The patron is suitably impressed and grateful.

Faith Brautigam
Gail Borden Public Library, Elgin, IL 60120
E Mail: fbrautig@nslsilus.org Phone: 847-742-2411 Fax: 847-742-0485


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 01:27:09 1997
From: "COX" <COX@slais.ubc.ca>
Subject: Clarifying Query - Cassette Books


Hello All,

A few days ago I posted a question about collecting cassette books
(novels, literacy, and english as a second language materials).
Jeanette Larson asked if I meant producers rather than distributors
in my request for recommendations - quite right, that was what I
meant. Thank you for picking up on it. Thanks to those who have
responded so far.

Julia Cox

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 01:42:08 1997
From: Patricia Uttaro <puttaro@mcls.rochester.lib.ny.us>
Subject: XML and Filters


XML is a new standard proposed by Microsoft that is, from the little I know about it, intended to create
controls for data transmission. You can learn more about it at http://www.microsoft.com/standards/xml/ I'm not
entirely sure how XML would apply to filters. Unless there were a way to convert all existing web sites to
comply with the XML standards as proposed by Microsoft, or, of course, we all switched to using Microsoft's
browser which will have (maybe already has) the XML coding built-in, I don't see how the standard would apply
to filtering. But, as I said, I have a very superficial knowledge of the topic.

Patricia Uttaro
Young Adult Librarian
Ogden Farmers' Library
269 Ogden Center Road
Spencerport, NY 14559
puttaro@mcls.rochester.lib.ny.us


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 01:57:08 1997
From: schachtc@lcm.macomb.lib.mi.us
Subject: Christmas trees in general


PU>Have public libraries gotten away from Christmas decorating? I feel more
PU>and more uncomfortable putting ours up (although patrons haven't
PU>complained). We put out our holiday books at appropriate times... which
PU>seems appropriate.

PU> Vicky Schoenrock, Youth Services Manager

Seems to me as though if you can have holiday books that you circ with a
clear conscience you ought to be able to have holiday decorations too,
as long as you aren't getting overtly religious or offending a
significant number of your patrons by ignoring holidays that are
significant to them while decorating for the holidays of other faiths.
Better that we celebrate the holidays of all of the faiths represented
in our communities than celebrate none for fear of offending someone.
Yes, this an arena in which the ice can get potentially thin, but
well-done decorations which invite us to celebrate important things IN
A NON-DOCTRINAIRE WAY can enrich the lives of our staff and our
patrons, I believe. When we decorate/celebrate well it helps us to be a
more welcoming, joyful and attractive place, n'est-ce pas?

Chuck Schacht
Romeo, MI. Dictrict Library



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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 02:03:28 1997
From: Jeanette Carolyn Larson <jlarson@tenet.edu>
Subject: RE: XML and filters (fwd)


This is what my automation consultant told me about XML. Does anyone know
more? --Jeanette Larson, Texas State Library
------------------------------------------------
XML (extensible mark-up language) is a form of SGML, which is the source
of HTML. Whereas HTML is a subset of SGML, XML is a simplified SGML.
It does, however, the same types of things as SGML and, to a lesser
degree, HTML. It says that you use tags to define different parts of
speech or documents.

To my knowledge, filters still work off the words on the web page. Even
if the page was done in XML, the filters still would be looking at the
text. True, you could define a code for the filters to catch, e.g.,
<PORN LEVEL> </PORN LEVEL>, but this still assumes the writer of the
page correctly identifies their page. This still doesn't deal with the
problem of controlled vocabulary in this tag.

If someone on that list has more information, I could change my mind on
this, but at this moment, I don't see the link between SML and better
filtering.



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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 02:12:09 1997
From: Carolyn Caywood <carolyn@infi.net>
Subject: Re: Holiday programs/separation?


Kwanzaa stories I like are:
Imani's Gift at Kwanzaa by Denise Burden-Patmon, ill, Floyd Cooper
Wood-Hoopoe Willie by Virginia Kroll
The Gifts of Kwanzaa by Synthia Saint James
I didn't mean to suggest avoiding the holidays, only to recognize the
uniqueness of each. I generally do them as separate programs.
Carolyn Caywood % Save the time of the Reader %
carolyn@infi.net % --Ranganathan's 4th Law %
http://www6.pilot.infi.net/~carolyn/ FAX:757-464-6741
936 Independence Blvd. Virginia Beach, VA 23455 757-460-7519


>
> Walter Minkel brings up an interesting question, and one I have been
> toying with. How do we present holiday programs without offending anyone?
> And we DO have requests for them at my library. I was going to have kids
> make stars and put them on a tree, but maybe we will just hang them up.
> Also, how about reading Christmas and Hanukkah books at the same storytime?
> (and if anyone knows of a good Kwaanza story, I'd love to have that title).
> Is it better to just stay away from this holiday thing? Comments?
>
> Angela Reynolds
> Youth Services Librarian
> West Slope Community Library
> Portland, OR
> ajrcm@teleport.com
>
>


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 02:21:39 1997
From: Robin Del Guidice <guidicr@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>
Subject: Re: IF and youth


Please, Mary Kay, whatever you do, don't stop teaching IF principles in
your classes. I have been concerned over the past few years that there
seems to be a swing away from our role as advocates for providing youth
with information and services to a one of protectors. I am sometimes
stunned by librarians who seem to think that we can be parental
surrogates. But then I realize that we are living in very complicated
times and that, perhaps, our old paradigms aren't working anymore.
However, I am not willing to give up on the idea that we are not "in loco
parentis" and that we have a long history of being perservers of
intellectual freedom. But, then again, I wonder how viewing obscene
materials in the library fits into the scenario. When I was a dept. head,
I fought as hard as I could to preserve kids rights to information and
services. I am no longer in that role and have little power to affect
policy but I know the difficult position those in this system are in as
they grapple with the internet question. Attempting to satisfy patrons and
governing officials while preserving our own strong philosophies is an
herculean task.
I too, however, am surprised that more discussion on these issues
does not take place here. Thank you for making us think about it. Sorry
for the rant, but I felt compelled to respond.

*******************************************************************************
Robin Del Guidice "Many things we need can
Youth Services Specialist wait, children cannot...
Peninsular Branch Library To them we cannot say
Tampa-Hillsborough County Public Library tomorrow, their name is
guidicr@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us today."
Gabriela Mistral
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 02:27:12 1997
From: "A. Day" <aday@remc4.k12.mi.us>
ubject: ornament program


Hello! I knew when I posted the question regarding ornaments that all kinds
of concerns would surface, and I appreciate that. For the past 6 years we
have done a winter holiday program that did focus on the big
three--Christmas, Hanukkah and Kwanzaa. We have done a variety of events,
including homemade gift wrap, candle making, etc. We always provide
informational materials regarding each holiday and when at all possible we
have community members who practice each holiday in attendance and helping.
We serve a community of approximately 43,000, primarily caucasian and
african-american, in a county of approximately 158,000. There are 12
catholic churches, 113 protestant churches and one synagogue. The synagogue
happens to be kitty-korner to our library and the rabbi is a regular user
and his children are involved library users. Suggestions for the tree and
ornament idea came from participants at previous events, which is why we
decided to try something along those lines this year, and community members
from all denominations are aware of our plans. I do appreciate the concerns
of fellow pubyacers regarding the use of a tree--although our intentions
were along the lines of the tree symbolizing life through the darkness of
winter, and no other decorations would be on the tree other than the ones
created by participants. Unfortunately, the library is one of the few
organizations celebrating other winter holidays than Christmas for the
city's annual Cold Nights, Warm Lights celebration and we were the first to
introduce Kwanzaa into the program. While those of us involved with this
project are very respectful of all the winter holidays, the outburst on
pubyac has challenged us to rethink our plan--although we have received no
such reaction from our own community. Thanks to all for your input, and
thanks very much to those who sent the excellent craft ideas.

Alison Day, Youth Services Librarian e-mail: aday@remc4.k12.mi.us
Hackley Public Library phone: 616-722-7276, ext. 229
316 West Webster FAX: 616-726-5567
Muskegon, MI 49440


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 19:52:12 1997
From: "Carl A. Harvey II" <02caharvey@bsuvc.bsu.edu>
ubject: Opinons and thanks!


I would like to thank you all for the wonderful ideas suggestions and
comments on having an author visit. We are starting the process now and
using your guys expertise so we can have a very successful program!

Now, on to a new topic. The Children's librarian at the public library I
work out would like some comments about the book THE FACTS SPEAK FOR
THEMSELVES by Brock Cole. The story (I have gotten from the librarian, I
haven't read it!) is very depressing and covers lots of social issue.
She would like to have some justification for purchasing if a parent would
complain. I should also mention that the book is going to be in our YA
collection. Thanks for you comments and suggestions in advance. Please
reply directly to me.

Carl Harvey

:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)
CARL ADRIAN HARVEY II
02caharvey@bsuvc.bsu.edu charvey.sppl@incosla.palni.edu
School Media Services Major Specialized Library Assistant
Ball State University Speedway Public Library
Muncie, Indiana 5633 W. 25th Street
Speedway, Indiana 46224

charvey@indy.net OPINIONS EXPRESSED
Speedway, Indiana ARE CLEARLY MY OWN!

CHarvey@pike.k12.in.us
Apprentice Learning Leader
New Augusta Public Academy South

Web Page - http://bsuvc.bsu.edu/~02caharvey/
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 19:52:14 1997
From: "Hudson, Sarah" <shudson@plcmc.lib.nc.us>
Subject: Text of PLCMC's Evaluating Web Site Content-longish


As promised, here is the text of our flyer for patrons on evaluating web sites.
It's not pretty, but here goes:

Evaluating Web Site Content
A Guide to Using the Internet at the Public Library of Charlotte & Mecklenburg County

Although the Internet is an excellent resource for simplifying and
speeding up research, users must be aware of the flaws of this electronic
resource. The information explosion of the past several years has created
incredible opportunities for communication among individuals worldwide
and thousands of useful new reference resources. However, when using
Web resources for research purposes you should exercise some caution.
The Internet does contain some sites with inaccurate, out-of-date
or false information.
Below is a list of criteria to apply when evaluating information you indon websites. Feel free to ask one of our Information Specialists for additional information on ways to evaluate a site.

PURPOSE: What is the site's purpose? Does the information appear
unbiased? Is the information there to inform? Explain? Persuade?
Entertain? Advertise a product, or promote a particular point of view?

CURRENCY: Is the content up-to-date? Is the date of the latest revision
posted somewhere on the page? When was it last updated?

AUTHORITY: Who is sponsoring the site? What are the goals/values of
the person/organization? Is contact information provided for the author or
producer? What are the credentials of the individual or group who created
the website?

DOCUMENTATION: Does the website provide well-documented
information? Are the sources of information cited, and are individual
articles signed or attributed? Is the content verifiable? Accurate?

The Public Library's homepage provides thousands of selected sites for you
to use. Visit http://www.plcmc.lib.nc.us

Hope this is useful. We put this together for all users, regardless of age.
There was an article in an area paper about a student who had used the
internet for a term paper and used false information. I think one of the
most public examples is Pierre Salinger, who used a document he
found on the internet, to assert that the Navy had shot down the commercial
airplane, flight 800, I believe, that was on its way to France.
Without the internet, I think it would be harder, or at least slower, for the
conspiracy theorists to communicate.

Bye,

Sarah


Sarah Hudson
Information Specialist
Independence Regional Library
Public Library of Charlotte and Mecklenburg County
shudson@plcmc.lib.nc.us

Opinions are my own, and do not reflect those of the Library

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 19:52:16 1997
From: tnorstro@lexecon.com
Subject: Collection Sources






Dear Pubyackers:

I am a library science student and need some assistance with a project.

Please name 3 - 4 collection sources you use most often (print or
non-print). If you only care to list 1 or 2 please do!! Also, feel free
to elaborate on why you prefer those you list; don't feel obligated though.


Thank you all for your time!!

Terri Norstrom
norstrom@lexecon.com




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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 19:52:17 1997
From: "Cindi Ellen O'Connor" <cindio@reg.seresc.k12.nh.us>
Subject: Re: Holiday programs/separation?


We do three separate December holiday programs. They are called Family
Programs and are intended for ages 4 and up (but I always end up with
older and young sibs coming too). This year we are adding Kwanzaa. The
programs are called HERE COMES SANTA- presents and reindeer and the big
guy himself (BTW, any favorite santa stories for telling or flannelboard);
HAPPY HANAKKUH (I know this is the wrong spelling): I really recommend
using a song called Kindle A Candle, it has a great sing along chorus and
it tells about the Macabbees. I have a woman in town who collects
menorahs and brings a special one in for the program; and AWAY IN A
MANGER-songs and stories about baby jesus, angels singing, and
following stars from heaven. As a storyteller,I love telling/singing The
Little Drummer Boy, with the rump-pa-pum-pum,but I felt that people signing up
for the program should know about the content. We made angels from sheep
fleece with fleece and gold thread last year (a Waldorf school project
idea). I'd like to do a Ramadin, now that Magrid goes to Ramindin is
there. I used to do a storytelling program for my local Baahi group for
A'Yammiah (and I know I've totally mangled the spelling) for a turning of
the season holiday in Jan. I think, but that was not a library program.
It seems to me that the public library is one of the places where ideas
and stories and information about all parts of the holiday mythologies can
be explored and celebrated. I keep finding candles in all of the holiday
rituals, something about bringing light into darkness. Free public
libraries keeping the candles lit for ALL kinds of stories. Works for me.
Cindi Ellen O'Connor
Bedford (NH) Public LIbrary
cindio@bedford.lib.nh.us


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 19:52:17 1997
From: Mary St Cavish <mls@bc.seflin.org>
ubject: holiday story ideas


I do storyhours for elementary school kids. Each week I read one chapter
or so(about 10 minutes) from a book so that over a period of time we have
read the whole
story. I need suggestions of something to serialize over the next four
weeks of remaining storyhours until holiday break.I cannot do a holiday
specific story but perhaps something about presents, giving, peace, family...
Thanks for your suggestions. Pls respond directly to me @ mls@bc.seflin.org.
mls@bc.seflin.org
Mary St. Cavish



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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 19:52:46 1997
From: "Alicia Ahlvers" <alicia@qni.com>
Subject: Re: to all who want website evaluation flyer


Also check out the Kansas City Public Library site by our Internet Librarian
Julie James for more information on evaluating Web sites. The address is
http://www.kcpl.lib.mo.us/html/evalweb.htm


Alicia Ahlvers, Children's Librarian
Kansas City Public Library
ma_alicia@kcpl.lib.mo.us


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 19:52:50 1997
From: Trudy Terry <tterry@sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us>
Subject: illterate


In my experience few patrons walk up and say "hey I can't read , find
this for me. " I've talked with patrons about what they want to know,
found the materials for them and then they say "honey I don't have my
glasses with me would you read that to me?" We offer GED programs and
literacy programs at my library. We also have many patrons who are
literate in their native language but not in English. I try to give the
patron the information they need in a form that they can use it. If a
patron asks about classes or hints that they could use some help with
reading we sign them up for classes on the spot. Trudy Terry Port Arthur
Public LIbrary Tx.

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 19:57:25 1997
From: Holly Willett <willett@rowan.edu>
ubject: Re: sleepovers?


There have been articles about this in SLJ a few years back perhaps. One
of my children's literature students is planning a sleepover at school with
her first graders as the culmination of an intensive study of _Ira Sleeps
Over_.

Holly



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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 19:57:25 1997
From: "Alicia Ahlvers" <alicia@qni.com>
Subject: Re: Christmas trees in general


Our library has a problem with homeschool families who are offended by
non-religious decorations in regard to Christmas. Just something to think
about if you have a large population of homeschool families.

Alicia Ahlvers, Children's Librarian
Kansas City Public Library
ma_alicia@kcpl.lib.mo.us


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 19:58:53 1997
From: "Ellysa S. Cahoy MBU (617) 270-1690 ext. 233" <cahoy@mvlc.lib.ma.us>
Subject: Re: Holiday Decorating and programs


I really think that there is a very simple solution to how one addresses
the winter holidays (Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, etc...) in a public
library.

Don't address them at all! I am Jewish, and even though I love Christmas
deocrations, I do not decorate our Children's Room in any way for the
holidays. We are having one special holiday program this year--a puppet
show entitled, "Seasonal Tales from Snowy Lands."

Last year, I had a Jewish parent come up to me after the holidays and
thank me for abstaining from any sort of decoration or specific holiday
programs. She said, "This
was the one place in town that my daughter felt comfortable and accepted
during the holiday season. Thank you." We had no complaints from people
who missed the decorations.

Since, public libraries are just that, a public institution, I do not
think it is right to put up decorations or have programs that endorse a
particular
holiday. Nor do I think it is right to try to address every holiday in a
watered-down manner.

--Ellysa Cahoy
Children's Librarian
Burlington (MA) Public Library


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 19:59:10 1997
From: wpld <kreed@wpld.alibrary.com>
Subject: Storytime Workshop


Happy Thanksgiving All

I am posting on behalf of Lincoln StoryLeague, a professional group
in northern Illinois that meets once a month to swap storytime/program
ideas. We are looking for someone to do a workshop for us; something
along the lines of Caroline Feller Bauer (although Bauer is beyond our
expense account). Being a nonprofit org. we don't have a whole lot of
cash to play with and so are hoping to find someone regional to avoid
travel expenses. If you have any suggestions/ideas/information please
email me at KReed@wpld.alibrary.com.

Thanks so much
Kerry Reed
Winnetka Public Library District, Il
KReed@wpld.alibrary.com

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 19:57:26 1997
From: BOGART Debra S <dbogart@ci.springfield.or.us>
Subject: Re: Holiday programs/separation?


Erin's idea of candles as a middle ground sounds very appealing. But,
Erin what stories, activities did you do at your "holiday Celebration"?
thanks

Debra

Children's Services/Springfield Library
Springfield OR

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 19:59:10 1997
From: jholm@thomaston.lib.me.us
Subject: Re: homeschoolers


I am replying about homeschoolers! As the children's librarian in a
small coastal community in Maine, we have a lot of homeschoolers. As
we are only open in the morning on Tuesdays, I encourage them to come
to the library on that morning for library skills. They usually have
a project to do, so that makes it really easy. Of course, you get all
different levels of skill at the same time, but if you wait on them
one at a time, they really blossom in their library skills. I also
encourage them to participate in the volunteer reading program pon
Tuesdays for the little tots who come in for stories. That gives them
the opportunity to read to prople other than their parents. Some of
them really enjoy it and some of them are embarrassed.
Hope that helps.Jane Holmsen
Children's Librarian
Thomaston Public Library
Thomaston, ME 04861

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 20:36:51 1997
From: torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us (Torrie Hodgson, Children's Librarian)
ubject: Re: Snowglobes


We made them last year! I used 3/4 jar full of light karo syrup, tossed in
the glitter etc. and topped off with water really full. (We did not put
stationary figurines in ours. Hot glue to the inside of the lid if you do,
but it will make them messy to close.) Close the jar really tight. Some
water should squeeze out as you do so air bubbles don't get trapped in
there. We hot glued the lid onto the bottle on ours. Mine didn't leak at
all for months.

I hope this helps you!

Torrie Hodgson 8)


>I have heard of making snowglobes out of babyfood jars and karo syrup, but I
>don't know what else it involves! If anyone out there has made snowglobes,
>I would really like to know how it is done. TIA.

Torrie Hodgson, Children's Librarian, System Administrator, and everything else!

Burlington Public Library
900 East Fairhaven Ave
Burlington, WA 98233
Phone (360) 755-0760 Fax (360) 755-0717
torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 20:43:11 1997
From: "Karen C. Laird" <klaird@worthington.lib.oh.us>
Subject: puppet theatres


Greetings!

We actually have 2 separate puppet theatres, one for us to use in
programming and one in the public area for the kids to use. The one for
the kids is large and heavy, and--although I have seen one kid try--it
would be extremely difficult to move it. It is made to look like a
tree, and the kids love it. It gets almost constant use. Yes, you do
get the occasional puppet-throwing child, but they usually are just
fine. And, corny as this sounds, it truly is heart-warming to look over
and see parents engaged in lively conversation with the puppets featured
in their child's "show". We love it.

Karen
klaird@worthington.lib.oh.us

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 20:43:31 1997
From: Susan LaFantasie <susanlaf@pcl1.pcl.lib.wa.us>
Subject: toddler seat cushions



Has anyone tried toddler seat cushions during storytime (we have about 20
toddlers)? Any problems with toddlers wanting to play with them? Any
solutions (besides not getting the cushions to begin with . . . )?
TIA.

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 20:43:58 1997
From: Annette Anthony <abeales@is2.dal.ca>
Subject: Teens views of the Internet


Hello:

I am a second year student in the Masters of Library and Information
Studies program at Dalhousie, Halifax, NS. I am part of a team which is
producing a hotline magazine dealing with the topic "Young Adults and the
Internet."

As part of an article which I am writing, I am researching how teens/YAs
view what is found on the Net. I.e, if it is on the Net, then it must be
true. I have searched Dialog, Lib Lit, etc. but have not been able to
find many articles on this subject. If you know of any references, I
would appreciate your feedback. Please respond to: abeales@is2.dal.ca

Thanks so much for your assistance.

Annette Anthony
abeales@is2.dal.ca
SLIS, Dalhousie University




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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 20:44:59 1997
From: "Vollrath, Elizabeth" <evollrat@uwsp.edu>
Subject: Program ideas


The book "Create a Celebration," by Ellen M. Pals, Fulcrum, 1996,
1-55591-949-9 is a great resource for themed program ideas. It includes
decorations, invitations, games, crafts, etc. for anything from a
Mexican fiesta. Oriental Party (Chinese New Year idea), pirate, western
, safari, mystery, as well as holiday ideas. Very nice.
Elizabeth Vollrath
Portage County Public Library
Stevens Pt., WI 54481
evollrath@uwsp.edu
(715)346-1290

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 21:29:39 1997
From: "Lisa Prolman" <lprolman@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Summer Reading Programs


We've done this at our library. I don't remember what the program was
called (I didn't work here then.), but I know the librarian had "review"
sheets for the patrons to complete afterward about what the differences
were and which version was liked better. I have been told it was a very
sucessful program.


Lisa Prolman
Assistant Children's Librarian
Greenfield Public Library
Greenfield, MA
(413)772-1590
lprolman@hotmail.com

"Nothing is impossible to anyone impervious to reason."


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 21:29:38 1997
From: edunsker@interaccess.net (Emmy Dunsker)
ubject: Re: Holiday programs/separation?


>Andy/Anne Paradise wrote:
> Santa is pretty much secular by now, and there are always snowflakes,
>snowmen and such seasonal and totally non-religious decorations. And of course
>, trees are a pagan symbol and fairly recent European invention!
>
>I worked for several years in an orthodox Jewish neighborhood in a large
>city. <snip>

As a new member to this group I guess I'll simply dive into this
discussion...I am a relatively observant (by contemporary American
standards) Jewish person who was formerly in the classroom. I taught in
secular private school environments and fastidiously avoided the presence
of a Christmas tree in my classroom. I did not object to the presence of
the symbol in the public areas of the school--I figured I was fighting
congress anyway. What may appear as a benign, non-religious, even national
symbol to some is a clear reminder to me that I am a minority. I would
prefer on a personal note that Christmas trees, Chanukah symbols, Kwanza,
Buddhist, Moslem, and a plethora of other religious symbols not be present
in a public setting. I feel that it diminishes the poignancy and meaning
behind the religious experience for many, no matter what affiliation one
has. HOWEVER... as an institution that MUST represent all philosophical,
religous, and cultural viewpoints I can see the validity in holiday
decorations, though I think that I would personally err on the side of
caution. My son's school has a winter festival program in which all
cultural symbols (NOT WREATHS OR CHRISTMAS TREES) are researched and songs
of a secular nature are taught under the theme of the unity of all people.
Is this possible within a public library setting?? Just a thought...

Emmy Dunsker
Graduate Assistant
University of South Florida
School of Library and Information Science

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"When the soul is involved, work is not carried out by the ego alone; it
arises from a deeper place and therefore is not deprived of passion,
sponteneity, and grace".

Thomas Moore
Care of the Soul (1994).
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 21:29:40 1997
From: Julie Ann Rines <jrines@ocln.org>
Subject: Read aloud quote


Many thanks to everyone who answered my question. The two titles most
often suggested were Jim Trelease "The Read Aloud Handbook" and the
Nation of Readers report by the Department of Education. It was the
quote from the Education Department that a half remembered reading in
college.
"The single most important activity for building knowledge required
for eventual success in reading is reading aloud to children."
Thank you again. I will be creating a bibliography including the other
titles suggested, if anyone would like a copy please send me your mail
address and I will send you a copy, however, it may well be Christmas
before I get to it.
Julie Rines
jrines@ocln.org


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 21:30:05 1997
From: Marcia Hardmon <mhardmon@ci.greenville.tx.us>
Subject: die cutting machine: use policies


Dear PUBYACERS:

Our small library recently received a die cutting machine. I am interested in gathering information from other libraries which have these machines and allow public access to them.

What groups, individuals do you allow to use the machine? Do you charge a fee for materials or require that they bring their own? What problems if any have arisen from the general public using the machine?

Any and all comments or advice will be greatly appreciated. You can reply directly to me at:

mhardmon@ci.greenville.tx.us

TIA
Marcia Hardmon
Children's Librarian
W. W. Harrison Public Library
Greenville, TX

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 21:30:58 1997
From: jwall@norby.latah.lib.id.us (Jan Wall)
ubject: Service standards for YS


Fellow Pubyaccers -

We are in the process of formulating service standards for youth services.
We are aware (and have looked at) ALSC's *Competencies for YS*
(http://www.ala.org/alsc/competencies.html) and the book OUTREACH MEASURES
FOR PUBLIC LIBRARY SERVICE TO CHILDREN (Walters, ALA, 1992).

But has anyone written any standards for youth service for your
library/region/state? We are writing these standards for a state (Idaho)
that has many rural, 1 person libraries without (formal) training or
education in YS. If you (or your state) has written any service standards,
please email, fax or mail them to:

Jan Wall
Youth Services
Latah County Library
110 South Jefferson
Moscow ID 83843
fax: 208-882-5098
email: jwall@norby.latah.lib.id.us

TIA!

Jan Wall


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 21:31:02 1997
From: "Candice Morris" <cmorris@mtlib.org>
ubject: Internet Evaluation


Right after my bird nest stumper, a boy came running up to me to say the
Internet wasn't working. We have 7 internet workstations in our library and
so are used to dealing with technical diificulties. However, this was an
easy fix - he was looking for Marco Polo on the web based phone directory
Big Yellow.



Candice Morris Lewis & Clark Library http://www.mth.mtlib.org/
Youth Services Librarian 120 S. Last Chance Gulch Helena, MT 59601
cmorris@mtlib.org 406 447-1690 ex.15 Fax 406 447-1687



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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 21:31:30 1997
From: "George" <george@qni.com>
Subject: ALA guidelines in the real world?


Hello. I am working on my MLS through the School of Library and
Information Management at Emporia State University in Emporia,
Kansas. I have never worked in a library, but have done some time in
a large bookstore. I have a question for you real-life librarians.

My YA instructor, Mary K. Chelton, has given us copies of many of
ALA guidelines. I, personally, agree with the ALA policies I have
read, but I have noticed that they seem very extreme. How are these
guidelines incorporated into the real world? What parts of ALA
guidelines and policies do you adhere to strictly, throw out, or
modify? And why?

The bodies of any answers I receive will be shared with Dr. Chelton
and the class, but any names and e-mail addresses will be removed.

Thanks in advance,
Georgeann Haynes
http://www.qni.com/~george

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 21:31:50 1997
From: "Gale W. Sherman" <gale@poky.srv.net>
ubject: Popular teen magazines


My request for popular teen magazines has brought these responses. Special
thanks to: Pamela Koehler, R. Timothy Carrier, Charlotte Lesser, Susan
Harloe, Jill Morrison, Kelly Sullivan and Brenda Hauck for their input.
Note that the numbers below are the times the title was mentioned. However,
the one recommendation might represent numerous branch libraries.

Nintendo Power- 2
Mad Magazine- 2
Electronic Gaming Monthly- 2
Teen Beat
Right On
YM- 3
Seventeen- 5
Teen- 2
Transworld Skateboarding
Vibe
Rolling Stone
Wizard
Vibe
GamePlayer
GamePro
Source- 2
Rap Pages
Lowrider [Lowrider has a nice web site at Lowridermagazine.com]
Lowrider Arte
Lowriding
Sports Illustrated




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Children's Literature: Beyond Basals
http://www.beyondbasals.html
*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*
Gale W. Sherman / gale@poky.srv.net
*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*
Beyond Basals, Inc. * Early Childhood Librarian
4685 Flora Drive * Marshall Public Library
Pocatello, Idaho 83204 * 113 S. Garfield

* Pocatello, Idaho 83204
PHONE (208) 233-9717 * PHONE (208) 232-1263
FAX (208) 232-3603 * FAX (208) 232-9266
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 21:58:15 1997
From: "Sandy Whitmer" <whitmer@hotmail.com>
Subject: re: Stumper: frog school picture book


_Toad School_ by Cathy Bellows was the book our patron was looking for.
Many thanks for the responses I received.

Sandy Whitmer
Youth Services Librarian
Bartlett Public Library District
Bartlett, IL

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 21:58:15 1997
From: "Josie B. Parker" <jparker@tln.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Youth Services Position (fwd)




Youth Services Librarian
Ypsilanti District Library
Ypsilanti, MI Immediate Opening

MLS from accredited program
40 hour work week
Excellent Benefits Package
Salary commensurate with experience (min. $27,000 annually)

Immediate opening for a creative, dynamic individual for a full time
position. Shares planning and presentation of regular programs for
children and youth under the direction of the Department Head. Helps
coordinate summer reading program. Provides readers' advisory, conducts
library tours, and assists in collection development, including print,
media, and electronic resources. The successful candidate should
demonstrate the following professional attributes: Strong commitment to
youth services in libraries; knowledge of emerging technologies; knowledge
of library trends and current issues; verbal and written communication
skills; and strong interpersonal skills. Work schedule will include some
evenings and weekends. Will work from the main facility in a two facility
system.
For more information contact Josie Parker, Head of Youth Services,
Ypsilanti District Library.
Send resume and letter of application. Position will remain open until
filled.
Ypsilanti District Library is an Equal Opportunity Employer
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_Josie Barnes Parker_-_-_-_-_-
Youth Services Dept. Head jparker@tln.lib.mi.us
Ypsilanti District Library 313-482-4110
229 W. Michigan Ave.
Ypsilanti, MI 48197




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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 22:06:44 1997
From: lauram@ci.hillsboro.or.us
Subject: Vague Stumper Solved!


Hats off to those of you who responded to me with the answer for the
vague stumper. Turns out that our patron remembered vital clues (eating
and wearing his breakfast, turtle, younger brother) that pulled it
together!
TALES OF A FOURTH GRADE NOTHING &/or SUPERFUDGE by Judy Blume are the
collective answers!

I will pass these along to our patron and grab myself a copy to read!
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!



Laura Mikowski
Youth Librarian
Hillsboro (OR) Public Library
lauram@ci.hillsboro.or.us

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 22:06:45 1997
From: "Candice Morris" <cmorris@mtlib.org>
ubject: Stumper - Bird Nest


Does anyone remember a story from the BookHouse Books, circa late 30's or
early 40's about a bird nest.

All the birds gathered to learn how to build a nest. At the beginning, the
nest was built out of mud and the birds who already knew how to build a mud
nest left, but then sticks were added and all the birds who already knew how
to build a mud & stick nest left, but then feathers were added and all the
birds who knew how to build a mud, stick & feather nest left......and so on.

The patron remembers hearing his parents read this story to him when he was
4 or 5 years old, so maybe the details aren't quite accurate.....

I've checked A to Zoo and Children's Cat.

TIA

Candice Morris Lewis & Clark Library http://www.mth.mtlib.org/
Youth Services Librarian 120 S. Last Chance Gulch Helena, MT 59601
cmorris@mtlib.org 406 447-1690 ex.15 Fax 406 447-1687



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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Nov 19 22:07:02 1997
From: "Hastings, Waller" <hastingw@wolf.northern.edu>
Subject: call for presenters



This is being cross-posted to a number of relevant lists. Please excuse any
duplications.

The L. Frank Baum/Oz Festival in Aberdeen, SD, invites proposals for
public lectures, storytelling, or other presentations related to former
Aberdeen resident Frank Baum. These presentations will form part of the
second annual festival, scheduled for August 8 and 9, 1998; the
presentations will take place outdoors in a large tent. Possibilities
include examinations of aspect of Baum's writing or career, costumed
reenactments of historical figures associated with Baum or his period,
stories inspired by Baum, etc. Topics included in the 1997 festival were:
Baum's spiritual values, Baum as American storyteller, Baum and the Indians,
the "Our Landlady" columns, storytelling, and a dramatic presentation.
Pending funding, a stipend and travel expenses will be paid. We are
also interested in proposals for participation in subsequent festivals and
may consider applicants for the 1998 festival for subsequent years,
dependent on the pool of proposals received.
For further information, or to propose a presentation, contact:
A. Waller Hastings
Department of English
Northern State University
Aberdeen, SD 57401

wally hastings
hastingw@wolf.northern.edu

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