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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jan 20 13:47:42 1998
From: Dzierzbicki <dzierzbi@sls.lib.il.us>
Subject: Bib on Fam. Travel
(Can you all tell I've finally cleared my calender, I've sent 3 messages
in 3 days, unfortunatly that ends tomarrow, back to storytimes)
Waaaay back in Mar. of '97 I ask for pubyacs suggestions for
resources on Family Travel. My colleague, Jean Day from Matteson(IL)
p.l. and I came up with a get deal of information for the bib. ---THANK
YOU ALL for your help.
Along with your suggestions several of you requested I send the
finished bib. either to a person or the listserv. Sorry to say I just am
not able to post it here(its a time eater), BUT, I would be happy to fax,
or snail mail to anyone whos interested.
Thanks again for all the great suggestions.
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"But wherever they go, and whatever happens to them on the way, in that
enchanted place on the top of the Forest, a little boy and his bear
will always be playing." A.A. Milne
Monica A. Dzierzbicki dzierzbi@sls.lib.il.us
Youth Services (708)448-1530
Palos Park Library
Palos Park, Il
(formerly from Grande Prairie Lib., IL)
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jan 20 13:47:45 1998
From: "Caroline S. Parr" <cparr@crrl.org>
Subject: Re: Summer Reading Registration
Hello, pubyac--
I responded briefly to the person who asked about this but I would be
interested in what other people have done, too.
We are also a Dynix library. Last summer we asked each child who
registered if he/she had a library card, and if so we then (later that
day or that week) went into the patron record and added it to the patron
statistical class. The staff felt it would be too much to try to
register each child on-line, because of volume, children without cards,
etc.
At the end of the summer, this allowed us to track circulation by summer
reading club participants and gave us a database of children to whom we
can send information about this summer's program (tho in fact we decided
to send the info to all the children in the database).
It certainly encouraged more children to get their own cards (we let
them get cards at birth), and it has given us a baseline of statistics
to work from. We could also sort participants by school and age
grouping, since we register patrons with that information. However, it
captured only about 1/3 to 1/2 of total participants, so the manual
registration books, where we record age, school, and grade, are still
important.
We're glad we did this, but it's far from a perfect system. I'd love to
hear how other libraries have done it better!
Caroline S. Parr
Coordinator of Children's Services
Central Rappahannock (VA) Regional Library
cparr@crrl.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jan 20 13:47:46 1998
From: Walter Minkel <wmink@teleport.com>
Subject: Web reference with k-12 students (fwd)
Folks-- I'm one of two authors writing a book for ALA Editions, dealing
with Web reference strategies for working with k-12 students (because this
is a non-work project, I'm using my personal e-mail address instead of the
work address you usually see). If you have any tips, ideas, tricks, ideas
you'd like to share, or stories about how you used the Web to answer a
tricky ref Q, please let me know about them. If I can use them, I will
credit you by name & institution in the book. Please send responses to me
at this address. Thanks! --W
wmink@teleport.COM Walter Minkel * Web librarian * Technology consultant *
Writer * Portland, OR
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jan 20 13:47:44 1998
From: "Shannon VanHemert, CL Children's" <shannonv@jefferson.lib.co.us>
Subject: SRProgram: Still dreaming...
I'm glad to hear that Summer Reading Program librarians are thinking about
this issue of making the SRP easier on all of us. It sounds like Dynix is
one system which can be adjusted, but really, the system isn't quite what
it could be. To be REALLY good, we need modules that are designed for the
Summer Reading Program, which, if catalog designers out there would clue
in, almost every public library runs every summer. About 3 years ago I
posted a wish on PUBYAC, and thought I'd post it again. Maybe technology
is to the point where this could become more of a reality. I'm not sure
what it would take to get the attention of the biggies like Dynix,
Innovative Interfaces, etc.
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 12:53:04 -0400 (EDT) (reposted)
Sender: "Shannon L. VanHemert"
Subject: SRC: Dream on....
As the season of the Summer Reading Club approaches, and I sit
amongst a blizzard of blue and hot green membership cards, reading
logs, listening logs, bookmarks and certificates, I'm thinking that
there MUST be a better way to do all this record keeping. For
statistical purposes, our children's departments keep a record of
how many children sign up, how many actually start the club, how
many books are read, and how many children actually finish the
requisite ten books. We discuss duplication: "How do we know if
they've already read 10 books and are just doing it again to get
the McDonald's cheeseburger?" "What if they go to another
branch?"
"What if they lose their logs?" "What if they forget their
logs?"
"How can we manage all this paperwork without getting totally off-
track?"
And I sit here and dream of a computer program, or preferably an
OPAC/circulation/online add-on that will take care of all these
problems which they tell me have become endemic with a hyped-up,
commercialized Summer Reading Program. Maybe something like this
already exists, but *I* haven't heard of it! The scenario I'm
dreaming of would look something like this:
Each children's reference desk in every branch has its own light
pen/gun that can scan a library card and a book barcode just like
the circulation department's does, and their terminals are
displaying a different module of their particular brand of online
catalog information. It's the SUMMER READING CLUB module!
How can we keep track of how many kids sign up? Tie it into their
library card! Scan in that user barcode number! But what if they
don't have a library card and their parents won't sign them up for
one? Well, make available a dummy library card which serves as
their Summer Reading Club card with its own temporary barcode
number--they can't check books out of the building with it, but
they can be a "card carrying member" of the Summer Reading Club
just as good as the next guy.
What about losing the logs or writing the books down? No problem!
You can put it right on their record by scanning in the book with
your light pen. The program can be set up to put in the Title and
Author fields only. All they would have to do is bring in the book
they read. Librarians might even get a chance to talk about the
book with the children since there would be less paper shuffling.
But what if they read a book from home? No problem. You just key
it in--if they bring that book along, you'll have it right there,
or if they remember it, you can just type it into their record.
And you can set the module to keep a daily count of the books
entered (all over the system even), and a total of all books
entered.
That kind of record keeping would eliminate an incredible amount of
paperwork and paper shuffling. Kids and parents wouldn't be
frustrated because they forgot to bring their logs. Librarians
would be able to spend more time with the children they serve
instead of with the paper necessary to keep records straight.
Children could read more than the requisite ten books to finish the
Summer Reading Club; librarians would feel somewhat less like their
summers were spent handing out prizes instead of promoting reading.
But what if they WANT a record of the books they read? No problem--
print one out! Furthermore, have an option set up so that at
the very end of the summer, a fancy certificate could be printed
out, complete with their names right in the center, and maybe even
a list of books they read on the back AND if you so desired, the
certificates could even be SENT to them since their record would be
linked with their addresses! Oh wow! The possibilities are
endless!
[1/19/98--I've since heard arguments that this would be considered a major
violation of privacy since we're holding the data of a title under a
person's name. However, library databases hold the info on books
currently checked out, or titles that were overdue until the fine is paid.
This info can be in the database for years! To answer these critics, the
library would just publish the exact date when the link between books and
patrons was broken. E.g. after September 15 you couldn't get a report of
your Summer Reading. BUT the library would still have the raw data of
what titles were read by kids and what children were in the summer reading
program. You could make this any way you wanted....]
And finally, after all is said and done, after all the very
accurate statistics are taken, DELETE the whole shebang in
September so that no one can accuse anyone of keeping records that
will in some way incriminate the children in case they are wanted
by the FBI or the CIA.
Is anybody doing this? If the big online catalog designing
companies aren't doing it, WHY aren't they doing it? A library
program that consumes an incredible amount of time--at least one
third of the year in public libraries--should have some kind of
support module available.
And what do YOU think?
Shannon VanHemert
Children's Librarian
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jan 20 13:47:43 1998
From: schachtc@lcm.macomb.lib.mi.us
Subject: Dick and Jane
Personally, I think adults who want filtering should be
PU>allowed to filter themselves and let the kids find out what they need to
PU>know or think they need to know. As we write on walls, "Filter
you!"
PU>Didn't the Nazis filter pretty thoroughly? Savonarola lives.
PU>Big Grandma
PU>==================
PU>"You may not be able to change the world, but at least you can
embarrass
PU>the guilty." Jessica Mitford (1917-1996)
Ah, 'tis an impressive thing to behold, ironclad commitment to
principle. Doesn't necessarily help one to deal succesfully with the
challenges, ambiguities and
responsibilities of everyday life. but 'tis an impressive thing none
the less and we should all be the poorer if it were to become extinct.
Although I suppose it's also possible that we'd all be the poorer if it
was the predominant voice...
CBS
Romeo District Library
Romeo, MI.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jan 20 13:47:57 1998
From: CCullum621 <CCullum621@aol.com>
Subject: RE: Filtering bloopers
At this point in the discussion I am not ready to put my opinion of filtering
of computers in writing because I am still researching information on the
topic.
I would at this time like to hear anyone's stories on "filtering
bloopers".
What I mean by a "blooper" is when you are looking for something
totally
innocent and are shut out of a site because of a term, etc. in the text.
EX: one woman wrote she was looking for information on "multiple
births"
and was shut out because it contained the word "sextuplets". This was
hopefully not the original intent.
While we set paramaters to shut out items with the word "Sex" or other
words
we unintentionally shut the children out of other really good sights.
EX: block the word "nude" and maybe you can't get into sights ont he
Holocaust
because of the description of nude bodies buried in mass graves.
Again, no opinion on either side right now but I really would be interested
if anyone has heard of or experienced similair situations themselves. I would
like to keep a list for my supervisor.
Thanks
Carolyn N. Cullum
Children's Librarian
Edison, NJ
e-mail me direct at: CCullum621@aol.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jan 20 13:47:56 1998
From: Corey Bennett <bennetc@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>
Subject: Automated registration for SRP
Hi everyone,
I read the posts about using your automation system to register kids
for summer programs and I'm curious about it--our system doesn't do it
this way, so I'm wondering--do you use this to track books checked out by
the kids, or visits to the library..? How does this work better for you?
Please respond directly to me by e-mail: bennetc@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us
Thanks!
Corey Bennett
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Corey Bennett
New Tampa Regional Library
10001 Cross Creek Blvd.
Tampa, FL 33647
E-mail: bennetc@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jan 20 13:49:17 1998
From: Tracey Firestone <tfiresto@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Oops!
Sometimes proofreading and spellchecks don't make a difference. Thanks to
everyone who pointed out my error, and apologies to anyone who had
trouble connecting to the list of listserves site I mentioned last week.
The real address is:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jsmog/library4.html#listservs
Enjoy!
Tracey
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Tracey Firestone MLS Suffolk Cooperative
Young Adult Specialist Library System
tfiresto@suffolk.lib.ny.us 627 N. Sunrise Service Rd
Phone: (516) 286-1600 Bellport, NY 11713-1540
FAX: (516) 286-1647
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jan 20 13:52:48 1998
From: MRVoors <MRVoors@aol.com>
Subject: stumper - mouse & girl story
We are searching for a picture book that has parallel stories of a young girl
going downstairs at night for a drink of water. Meanwhile, a mouse is crawling
up the drainpipe to get a drink of water from the faucet. The girl flips on
the light, sees the mouse and screams "Eek - a mouse!" The mouse sees
the girl
and squeaks "Eek - a human!" Both end up running back to their moms
where they
are comforted. The patron thinks this is a fairly recent (published in the
last ten years) title. We've tried looking through A to Zoo and have done a
keyword search on our on-line catalog with no luck. Any ideas? Please respond
to me privately at
mvoors@acpl.lib.in.us
Thanks in advance.
Mary R. Voors
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jan 20 13:52:44 1998
From: "Barbara J. Lintner" <blintner@net66.com>
ubject: Re: Dick and Jane
The 1998 Early Spring "Wireless" (Minnesota Public Radio, P.O. Box
64422,
St. Paul, MN, 55164-0422) catalog lists "Growing Up with Dick and Jane Book
with Magnets". According to the catalog the book includes a 24 page sampler
of original stories. it is softcover, 112 pages with 200 full-color
illustrations. If the requests are based on nostalgia not on the exciting
text, this might be what our patrons are looking for! We have several
copies of the originals in our Children's Archives at Urbana and they are
used mainly by University students. I had no idea that they were worth
anything on the open market. Hope this information will help someone.
Barb Lintner
The Urbana Free Library
Urbana, IL
blintner@net66.com
At 01:04 PM 1/16/98, you wrote:
>I saw some Dick and Jane MAGNETS in a Borders bookstore and I many not
>remember correctly but it seemed they had some other junk like that, too.
>I did not ask about books. If Borders is able to sell the magnets
>(prominently displayed in Albuquerque, I think it was), there must be a
>market for the whole shebang. And if so, books are either available
>somewhere or will be soon . . .
> Jerri
>
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Jerri Garretson "Persist"
>Head of Children's Services
>Manhattan Public Library & North Central Kansas Libraries System
>629 Poyntz Avenue
>Manhattan KS 66502-6086
>
>Email: jerri@manhattan.lib.ks.us
>
>
>
>
>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jan 20 13:52:58 1998
From: "Schwartz, Ginger J." <GJS8126a@co.prince-william.va.us>
Subject: Stumper: A Place for Katia?
Sorry for the duplication... I posted this two weeks ago and realized I
forgot to add my e-mail address...
I have a patron who is looking for a book that she read in 5th grade
(about 20 years ago) and she thinks the title may be A Place for
Katia. It's about a grandfather who is dying and his granddaughter has
a special place where she goes to think things through. I have tried
BIP, Bookfinder, amazon.com, and lcweb and have had no luck.
Sound familiar to anyone?
Thanks again,
Ginger J. Schwartz
Children's Librarian
Potomac Community Library
2201 Opitz Blvd.
Woodbridge, VA 22191
(703) 494 - 8126
gjs8126a@co.prince-william.va.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jan 20 13:53:09 1998
From: Maya_SPECTOR@city.palo-alto.ca.us (Maya SPECTOR)
SUBJECT: Stumper - An animal's tie with stars
I tried to post this last week but did not see it posted. Forgive me
if this is a duplication. I have a patron looking for a book at least
25 years old that is a collection of stories with small illustrations
about forest animals. In one of the stories, an animal (possibly an
owl) lost or ruined his tie, and the other animals made him one out of
the sky so that the stars twinkled on it. I tried Bookfinder and
looked through a number of titles I thought might be possible. It does
not seem to be any of the Old Mother Westwind books.
Maya Spector
Palo Alto Childrens' Library
maya_spector@city.palo-alto.ca.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jan 20 13:53:31 1998
From: Domingos <ddomingo@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: twins stumper
Hi Folks,
I was wondering if anyone recalls a series of books written in the early
60's or late 50's about twin girls from different cultures who travel the
world. A patron remembers being inspired as a child and would like to
share them with her daughter. I didn't have a clue, and thought it might
ring a bell with someone out there.
Respond to Debra Domingos
ddomingo@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Thanks so much!
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