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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 13:05:29 1998
From: owner-pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: Bib:Dinosaur books


Thank you all for sending me so much great dinosaur material -
especially everyone who mailed me really wonderful stuff! Here is a
list of many of the books and some more of the finger plays.(I already
posted some fingerplays)
Barton, Bones, Bones Dinosaur Bones,and Dinosaurs, Dinosaurs
Little Grunt and the Big Egg,De Paola
Dinosaur Garden, Donnelly
Can I Have a Stegosaurus,Mom? Can I , Please,Grambling
Dad's Dinosaur Day, Hearn ( a lot of fun)
The Dinosaur Eggs, Mosley
If the Dinosaurs Came Back, Most . also Four and Twenty Dinosaurs
Boy Wants a Dinosaur, Oram
Dinosaurs , Strange and Wonderful, Pringle
Good Night Dinosaurs ,Sierra
Dinosaur Roar, Stickland ,Also Dinosaur Stomp pop-up ( both are very
good especially for young preschoolers)
Dinosaur Days , Manning
Wee Sing Dinosaurs songs
Raffi, If I Had a Dinosaur
Dinosauring , Simmons
Patrick's Dinosaurs, Carrick
What Happened to Dinosaurs? Carrick
Time Train, Fleischman
Tyranosaurus Was A Beast and other poems by Prelutsky
Dinosaur pop-up , Pienkowsky
Kidstuff vol. Six- Dinosaur Days ( full of excellent material)
video, Digging Up Dinosaurs
Draw and Tell , Thompson
The Double Dirty RottenCheater, Wilhem
Rex and Lilly School Time, Brown
Danny and the Dinosaur, Hoff
Dazzle the Dinosaur, Pfister
Dinosaur Chase,Otto
Daniel's Dinosaurs
Carmine
Dinosaur's House warming Party
Klein
Brother Billy Bronto's Bygone Blues Band, Birchman ( very good for
reading aloud to many different ages)
The Iguana Brothers, Johnston

More finger plays:

Here's my bed
Turn out the light
Quietly I say good night
But underneath my little bed
I hear a funny sound instead
Roll all th way over
and take a peek
Why it's a dinosaur I see
So I hop right up and open the door
And tell the dinosaur
Stay no more

Fog Bog

Right in the middle of a steamy fog
A dinosaur fell into a muddy bog
He rolled around like a huge wooden log
And then leaped out like a giant frog

Dinosaur, dinosaur, turn around
Dinosaur, dinosaur, touch the ground
Dinosaur, dinosaur, roar, roar
Dino saur, dinosaur,Shut the door!

I'm a stegosaurus big and stout
,
Here is my tail and here is my snout
When I get very hungry, I just shout
Here I come so you better watch out! Roar! Roar!

Have fun with dinosaurs. I am just finishing doing a series of four
different story hours on dinosaurs at a school's request and I certainly
had lots of material, thanks to all of you!
Sally O'Neil
oneil@asbank.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 17:04:47 1998
From: owner-pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: PUBYAC Problems this week


Dear PUBYACkers,

We're experiencing technical difficulties this week and are only just
starting to resolve them. You might see some weird messaging coming
through until we get it all fixed up, but be assured I've been working
on this all week.

Shannon VanHemert
PUBYAC Moderator
pyowner@pallasinc.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 17:08:37 1998
From: owner-pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: Re: Giant storyhour


At 10:03 AM 1/24/98 -0500, you wrote:
>We have a giant-themed storyhour coming up but we're short on
>activities/games/songs. I have stories like The Wolf and the Giant and
>Mr. Tall and Mr. Small and in my planning folder I have tin can stilts
>as an extended activity. However, we have a story pit and the stairs
>are much too dangerous for this project. I therefore call upon the
>collective wisdom of pubyac for help.
>As always, all replies will be summarized and posted.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Ginger J. Schwartz
>Children's Librarian
>Potomac Community Library
>2201 Opitz Blvd.
>Woodbridge, VA 22191
>(703) 494 - 8126
>gjs8126a@co.prince-william.va.us
>
>I did a Giant theme Family Night last fall. I drew/copied the before and
after faces from Woods (?) ugly giants-can't recall exact title- made
stick
puppet figures for the cow and milkmaid, and one set of arms for each
set
of faces. I showed the Rabbits Ears Jack and the Beanstalk, read a
popup
about giant soup, and showed them a natural history book of giant
animals.
They colored and cut out the faces and attached them to grocery sacks (I
bought clean ones at Aldis). The parents helped cut eye holes, the arms
were attached at the sides, and they had reversible giant bag
puppet/costumes to do a play at home.
Anne
>
>
>

"'You have no business wearing white to the Middle
Ages,'
he'd said, `It will only get dirty.'"
Connie Willis
*Doomsday Book*
Andy or Anne -- Andrew Paradise, Information/Reference Librarian,
Medical
Librarian, and Children's Librarian by marriage: Anne Paradise,
Children's
Librarian, mystery reader!
Gary Public Library andrew@gary.lib.in.us work
220 West 5th St. paradis@jorsm.com home
Gary, IN 46402 anne@gary.lib.in.us Anne
http://www.jorsm.com/~paradis/
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 17:09:22 1998
From: owner-pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: Discipline in the Public Library


What are your tricks for maintaining order in the library? I am
specifically looking for tips regarding effective discipline for 8-14
year
olds who visit the public library on their own or with friends after
school.

I have been invited to sit on a panel to discuss library
discipline at our state library conference this spring. The other
panelists are school librarians with very different sets of rules and
discipline issues. Any humorous (discipline related) public library
stories, disciplinary tips, and library rules would be appreciated.

I'll be glad to post the results of your responses.

Thanks for your input. Rebecca Goldberg
__________________________________________________
| |
| Rebecca Goldberg goldberg@lemming.uvm.edu |
| Youth Services Librarian |
| Fletcher Free Library |
| 235 College St. |
| Burlington, VT 05401 |
| 802 865-7216 |
|_________________________________________________|
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 17:09:57 1998
From: owner-pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: Re: UCB


Dear Ruth, Gina, Councilors & Members,

I also am a UC Berkeley MLS (1965). I am concerned about a school, UC
Berkeley
School of Information Management and Systems (SIMS), being accredited by
ALA
that, at least after a quick review, did not include the words "library"
or
"librarian" in the descriptions of the courses offered this Spring
semester or
in the descriptions of all of the courses in the entire course catalog.
Nor do
the words "catalog" or "cataloging" appear in the organization of
information
courses.

I do not know if SIMS is looking for (or even cares about?) ALA
accreditation.
I think it is the business of every member of ALA to be concerned about
the ALA
impimatur being affixed to an institution (SIMS) that so disregards the
library
as an institution as the object of study in its curriculum. And as Gina
indicated, SIMS has a course list that wholly ignores youth services as
a
subject of inquiry.

The UC Berkeley School of Librarianship's existence was saved by totally
eliminating the core areas of study that defined it as a LIBRARY school.
Terrific.

I thank Ruth Gordon for introducing this issue.

Similar to Ruth's suggestion, I also would like to see Spectrum
scholarships go
to people who choose to study at ALA accredited institutions that are
concerned
at least in substantial part with the library, its operations, services,
and
constituencies, and with the means of and issues in the organization of
information found in libraries or to which libraries provide access.
--
mitch

Dr. Maurice J. Freedman, Director
Westchester Library System 914-674-3600 x223
410 Saw Mill River Road FAX 914-674-4185
Ardsley, New York 10502 www.wls.lib.ny.us
**********************************************************
"I'll be seeing you, in all the old familiar places..."
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 17:11:02 1998
From: AMOUELLET <AMOUELLET@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Lending Toys



Regarding the lending of toys, I try to limit the number of pieces per
toy
because our circulation staff counts them when they are charged and
discharged. For example, we circulate wooden puzzles with a dozen or so
pieces and these are very popular, but large puzzles would be a problem.

We also circulate a large number of puppets. Cleanliness is a concern.
I
recently collected all the puppets for a trip to the drycleaners and a
library
volunteer offered to take them to the cleaners for me. She called me
later in
the day and said that the dry cleaner wanted to charge $2.50 per
puppet! She
refused to leave them at that price. The cleaning establishment finally
agreed to clean all the puppets for $50. She believed that was still
too much
money so she told me that she would wash and dry them all herself. God
bless
volunteers! That was five washloads of puppets. But they look
wonderful now
and I feel better knowing that they are clean.

We use hanging plastic bags for all the toys and puppets.

Annette Ouellet
amouellet@aol.com
East Springfield & Liberty Branches
Springfield, MA
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 17:21:42 1998
From: Filtering Facts <David_Burt@filteringfacts.org>
ubject: ACLU Economic Coercion


Some people have told me I was being "inflammatory" by suggesting that
the
ACLU's behavior toward libraries amounted to economic coercion.
Doubters
should read Ann Beeson's ultimatum to Kern County at
http://www.aclu.org/issues/cyber/kerncodemand.html

"If necessary, we
are prepared to challenge the Kern County Internet policy
on First Amendment grounds in federal court. As you know,
if we prevail on our claims, Kern County would be liable
for attorneys' fees. In order to avoid the need to resolve
this issue through costly litigation, the County must
remove the filters from the libraries within ten days of
the date of this letter."

Notice this weathly national orgainization chooses to make these sorts
of
threats to poorer rural counties like Kern. They don't make them to
bigger,
urban systems like Cincinnati or Boston, that can afford to absorb the
cost
of an expensive lawsuit.

And what is ALA's stance on this?

Last year, at the Texas Library Association Conference, ALA President
Ann
Symons had this to say:

"Currently, there is no case in the courts involving the use of
filtering
software in libraries. However, the ACLU, ALA's partner in many
intellectual
freedom cases, is being vigilant in its scrutiny of libraries today
regarding First Amendment issues. It's not pleasant to think about
having a
library
sued by an organization whose principles we support and which has
supported
ours over many years. "

http://www.txla.org/pubs/tlj-2q97/symons.html

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David Burt, Filtering Facts, HTTP://WWW.FILTERINGFACTS.ORG
David_Burt@filteringfacts.org

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From: Filtering Facts <David_Burt@filteringfacts.org>
Subject: ACLU Economic Coercion
Cc: web4lib@library.berkeley.edu, publib@sunsite.berkeley.edu,
filt4lib@public.ci.escondido.ca.us, pubyac@nysernet.org

Some people have told me I was being "inflammatory" by suggesting that the
ACLU's behavior toward libraries amounted to economic coercion. Doubters
should read Ann Beeson's ultimatum to Kern County at
http://www.aclu.org/issues/cyber/kerncodemand.html

"If necessary, we
are prepared to challenge the Kern County Internet policy
on First Amendment grounds in federal court. As you know,
if we prevail on our claims, Kern County would be liable
for attorneys' fees. In order to avoid the need to resolve
this issue through costly litigation, the County must
remove the filters from the libraries within ten days of
the date of this letter."

Notice this weathly national orgainization chooses to make these sorts of
threats to poorer rural counties like Kern. They don't make them to bigger,
urban systems like Cincinnati or Boston, that can afford to absorb the cost
of an expensive lawsuit.

And what is ALA's stance on this?

Last year, at the Texas Library Association Conference, ALA President Ann
Symons had this to say:

"Currently, there is no case in the courts involving the use of filtering
software in libraries. However, the ACLU, ALA's partner in many intellectual
freedom cases, is being vigilant in its scrutiny of libraries today
regarding First Amendment issues. It's not pleasant to think about having a
library
sued by an organization whose principles we support and which has supported
ours over many years. "

http://www.txla.org/pubs/tlj-2q97/symons.html

*****************************************************************************
David Burt, Filtering Facts, HTTP://WWW.FILTERINGFACTS.ORG
David_Burt@filteringfacts.org


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 17:32:45 1998
From: KHoblet <KHoblet@aol.com>
Subject: Re: school visits


Most teachers are reasonable, realistic, and flexible. Clearly, this
particular teacher is neither of these. There really is no way to
prevent her
from bringing an unscheduled class into the library if she is so very
determined to be that inconsiderate and unprofessional. However, that
does
not mean you are obligated to provide a story time for her group on such
uncoordinated visits. Since you are committed to another program,
suggest
either her class just browse for books this time or that she be the one
to
read stories to her class. (I'm assuming your program is held in a
meeting
room and not in the children;s room where another group would be a
disturbance.) If she still persists in intruding upon another groups
program
and unwilling to compromise then its time for the board or director to
contact
her principal. Good luck!
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 17:34:14 1998
From: owner-pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: videos for special needs young adults


I would like to purchase independent living skills videos for special
needs young adults. I am looking for videos on job interviews, resume
writing, how to rent an apartment, how to buy a car, paying bills etc.
These patrons have a third grade reading level. Short videos, less
than 30 minutes, are preferable.

Sylvia Jadczak
sjadczak@mhs.sad59..k12.me.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 17:37:54 1998
From: owner-pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: Re: Giant storyhour


Schwartz, Ginger J. wrote:
>
> We have a giant-themed storyhour coming up but we're short on
> activities/games/songs. <snip>
> Ginger J. Schwartz

Dear Ginger,
I did a TALL TALE storytime last year and I showed the kids the
"evidence" left behind by Paul Bunyan (a known giant). I showed them a
piece of rope--Paul's dental floss; a single wooden chopstick--Paul's
toothpick; & a gold bangle bracelet--Paul's wedding ring. I also showed
them the biggest knitting needles and crocket hook that I had (size "Q"
?) and told them that Paul's wife had left them behind at my house. :)
THINK BIG and good luck!
Kayne L. Ferrier
Youth Specialist Librarian

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Schwartz, Ginger J. wrote:
>
> We have a giant-themed storyhour coming up but we're short on
> activities/games/songs. I have stories like The Wolf and the Giant and
> Mr. Tall and Mr. Small and in my planning folder I have tin can stilts
> as an extended activity. However, we have a story pit and the stairs
> are much too dangerous for this project. I therefore call upon the
> collective wisdom of pubyac for help.
> As always, all replies will be summarized and posted.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ginger J. Schwartz
> Children's Librarian
> Potomac Community Library
> 2201 Opitz Blvd.
> Woodbridge, VA 22191
> (703) 494 - 8126
> gjs8126a@co.prince-william.va.us
>
Dear Ginger,
I did a TALL TALE storytime last year and I showed the kids the
"evidence" left behind by Paul Bunyan (a known giant). I showed them a
piece of rope--Paul's dental floss; a single wooden chopstick--Paul's
toothpick; & a gold bangle bracelet--Paul's wedding ring. I also showed
them the biggest knitting needles and crocket hook that I had (size "Q"
?) and told them that Paul's wife had left them behind at my house. :)
THINK BIG and good luck!
Kayne L. Ferrier
Youth Specialist Librarian

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 17:43:36 1998
From: owner-pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: re:SRP should be fun


I gotta agree with Brigitt..summer reading programs can be fun for
everyone!
Wisconsin youth librarians published "...And a Good Time Was Had By All:
A
Guidebook for Structuring Successful Summers at the Library" to aid us
all in
designing summer programs that are successful and low stress. It's just
$10
+$2 shipping from the Wisconsin Library Association, 5250 East Terrace
Drive,
Suite A, Madison, WI 53718-8345, (608)245-3640, FAX (608) 245-3646.
Checks,
money orders, purchase orders gladly accepted. All profits go to Youth
Services Section and WLA. TIA
Claudia Backus
Children's Services Coordinator
Waukesha County Federated Library System
321 Wisconsin Avenue
Waukesha, WI 53186
414-896-8087
cbackus@omnifest.uwm.edu
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 17:44:14 1998
From: owner-pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: Re: Summer Reading--Tie Dye


I used the dye ties in S & S and it worked pretty well. We used the
disposable rubber gloves to keep the kid's hands from getting stained
and
our hot water got hot enough to use without having to mess with boiling
water. Be sure to have a video or other activity handy while the kids
wait
for the T's to soak and have baggies ready for them to take them home.
My
daughter used the scraps and also Tie-Dyed socks!
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 17:50:35 1998
From: owner-pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: Baseball Summer Reading Theme


Hi Julia,

I was part of a "sports" oriented summer reading program a few years
back. Here are a few things that I did that proved to be successful
with the kids.

-I wrote to all the AL & NL teams for donations and they DID respond!
We used the gifts (pennants, hats, stickers, etc.) as prizes for weekly
trivia contests about baseball, and for incentive prizes at the end of
the summer. It takes a lot of your time, but I feel it was worth the
effort.

-We had a "Make Your Own Pennant" day. The kids made pennants for their
room for their own "fantasy" baseball teams. We used felt, glitter, and
markers. This was a fun activity.

-We made team logo puppets! We used the major league team names and had
the kids design a puppet for the team. All you need are paper bags,
markers, construction paper, etc.

-We created our own "couch potatoes"! They were made out of nylon
stockings and cotton batting. The kids used felt, yarn, and "googly"
eyes to decorate. They LOVED these!

-We made noise makers out of aluminum cans! They filled them with
beans, rolled the outside of the cans in aluminum foil and decorated
them with construction paper, stickers, etc. They used them to cheer on
their favorite teams!

-How about a good old fashioned baseball card swap! They never get
tired of this one!

Hope this helps! Have a great day!

Kim Bears

************************************************************
Kim Bears Phone: (603) 432-1127
Head of Children's Services Fax: (603) 437-6610
Leach Library E-mail: kimbat@hotmail.com
276 Mammoth Road
Londonderry, NH 03053




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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 17:52:49 1998
From: owner-pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: Re: Adolescent "Recreational" Interests


Has anyone else
PU>experienced similar problems, and has anyone come up with solutions?
PU>We've discussed banning chat but don't want to limit the access to
people
PU>who may be using chat for legitimate purposes (help lines, etc.)

PU>The kids are out of control, and I feel more like a lunchroom monitor
when
PU>I work in that area than a librarian; telling people time's up,
breaking
PU>up arguements, telling groups milling about and talking loudly to
move on.
PU>It's constant noise and chaos, and since the Internet area is next to
the
PU>reference area, it intereferes greatly with the reference staff's
ability
PU>to do their job.

PU>Help..

PU>AT WITS END

About a month after we went on line we realilzed that we were heading in
the same direction and decided to bite the bullet and ban chatrooms and
e-mail ; enforcing it was somewhat of a pain for the first few weeks
but people got used to our restrictions and things are fine now; more
folks get to use the terminals and for the most part we are able to
eschew chaos.

Chuck Schacht
Romeo District Library
Romeo, MI.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 17:57:38 1998
From: "Sean P. S. George" <aftrtht@accesscom.net>
Subject: Summer Reading incentive systems


Greetings,
I know that summer reading programs, and the pros and cons of
incentive systems, have been discussed in the past. I have just
finished searching the PUBYAC archives from 1997 for th information that
I need, to little avail. As I prepare for this summer, only my second
as Youth Services coordinator, I am trying to make changes to the SRP
incentive system that has been used in my system for many years. Not
surprisingly, I am also meeting with some resistance to change. I have
been charged by the branch supervisors to collect info on the elements I
would like to implement this year, namely:

1. using time spent reading, rather than the number of books read,
as the basis for the incentive system.

2. using awards (i.e., ribbons, certificates, etc.) rather than
"prizes" (i.e., cheap toys, etc.) as the incentives to give out.

If anyone uses either or both of these elements in their system, I would
appreciate knowing how they work, and how well they work. Of course, I
will gladly post a HIT of the responses I receive.

Thanks in advance.

--
<><><><><><><><><><>
Sean P. S. George
Youth Services Coordinator
East Regional Branch Manager
St. Charles Parish Library
504-764-2366
aftrtht@accesscom.net



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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 17:59:00 1998
From: PUB_YAC@mln.lib.ma.us
Subject: Re: Penpals


Encyclopedia of Associations has listed several pen pals organizations
(see "correspondence" as a subject) as appropriate for children as
young as 10.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 17:59:57 1998
From: Diane Casey <caseyd@pls.lib.ca.us>
Subject: Teen Chats


As a Teen Librarian I see your problem with teen chats as two fold:
1)chatting 2) behavior while they chat.

Just perhaps if you handle the first differently the later will fall in
line. But let me get off my high horse immediately--I KNOW that working
with teens is tricky, mind boggling, terrifying and wonderful.So good
luck

Anyway--chatting is a Legitimate activity. Thats how teens find out
about
their world--their world. So maybe go to these teens and acknowledge
what
their doing is important but their way of going at it, the accompanying
behavior, is not appropriate. Get ideas from them as to how to control
or
change their behavior. New schedules,etc. I know this sounds pie in
the
sky but it might work.

Diane Casey, Young Adult Librarian
email: caseyd@pls.lib.ca.us Redwood City Library
voice: 650-780-7035 1044 Middlefield Road
fax: 650-780-7069 Redwood City, CA 94063-1868

For a companion
on my walking
trip...perhaps
a little butterfly Shiki
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:02:28 1998
From: cchesh@tc3net.com (Cathy Chesher)
Subject: Career Day


Hello,
I've been invited to participate in "Career Day" at a local high
school and was wondering if any of you have had experience with this.
What have you done, said, brought that really worked? The last thing I
want to do is bore these kids.

I'll have a half hour for my presentation and plan on talking
about the profession in general, not just children's librarians.

Thanks for your suggestions and I'll summarize if there is
interest. (I'm hoping there is and that other schools in the country
would think of inviting a librarian to career day.)

Cathy Chesher
Adrian Public Library
Adrian, Michigan
cchesh@tc3net.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:03:18 1998
From: Sarah McCarville <smccarville@grapids.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Web Page Selection Policy


Have any of you have written Selection Policy Statements for your
library's own web page? We are currently in the process of writing one
and would like to see what other libraries have already come up with.
I'm interested not just in criteria for pages for children and teens,
but for adults, too. How do you decide what links to include on your
web page?
Thanks!
--
Sarah McCarville Phone: 616-456-3612
Youth Services Coordinator Fax: 616-456-3619
Grand Rapids Public Library
60 Library Plaza NE
Grand Rapids MI 49503

E-Mail: smccarville@grapids.lib.mi.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:04:29 1998
From: sandra richmond <srich@pipeline.com>
ubject: Re: Picture Book Chaos


Hi,

We were shelving just by the first letter of the author's last name but
the
patrons were having a hard time finding books. We have the first three
letters of the author's last name on a label on the spine and we now
shelve
by those three letters. The patrons are much happier.



At 03:39 PM 1/23/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Dear PUBYACERS,
> We are a well-supported, mid-size, suburban New York library with a
>picture book collection just short of 10,000 books. Currently, the
>collection is loosely organized by author's last name. There is a colored
>strip across the spine to indicate the first letter of the author's last
>name, and the entire last name is written on the spine label (example:
>JP Seuss on the label, and a red strip of tape across the spine for the
>author letter S). Within the 8 shelves of books that house "S" authors,
>there is no further order, except that all red taped books are together. <snip>

_____________________________________________________
Sandra Richmond
SLIM Graduate Student - Emporia State University
Louisville Public Library
Youth Services Department
Louisville, CO 80027
richmonds@boulder.lib.co.us work
srich@pipeline.com home
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:06:19 1998
From: Catherine.Balkin@harpercollins.com (Catherine Balkin)
ubject: Mail for Spinelli


Please be advised that due to the heavy volume of email I am receiving
daily for Jerry Spinelli, I cannot -- repeat CANNOT -- go on taking
care of his author email. Please send it via snail mail to the
following address:

Jerry Spinelli
c/o Author Mail
HarperCollins Children's Books
10 East 53 St.
New York, NY 10022

We have a person at HarperCollins who handles author mail. I am
NOT
that person.

Also, please be aware that Jerry Spinelli is NOT on email. So if
you
send him email, it will be sent to him via snail mail anyway. That
means you will not receive a response any sooner than if you sent
it
snail mail. In fact, you might receive a response more quickly if
you
use snail mail, because I personally cannot keep up with the email
anymore.

Please pass this message along to everyone you know!

Thanks for your help.

Catherine Balkin
HarperCollins Children's Books
catherine.balkin@harpercollins.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:12:21 1998
From: Laurel Sharp <lsharp@mailbox.lpl.org>
ubject: Re: Lending Toys


> Hello all. We are considering having a lending toy library be a part
>of our children's collection. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience
>with this, and if so how you handled:
> checking the toys out
> cleanliness of the toys
> storing the toys
> Any information, including pros and cons, would be great.
>Thanks a lot!
>Sarah Cornish


Liverpool Public Library has had a toy collection for at least 13 years.
We store them in hanging bags, and circulate them like books. We have
our
own classification system for them. The circulation desk has been very
patient about counting pieces and so on, but I try to buy things that
aren't too time-intensive to check in. I get lots of easy puzzles, as
well
as other kinds of toys. I try and check the toys on an ongoing basis
for
wear. My best source has been a local toy & clothing store where I get
a
discount.

Laurel Sharp
Liverpool Public Library (NY)
lsharp@mailbox.lpl.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:13:04 1998
From: "Lisa Prolman" <lprolman@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Adolescent


I might have missed something in your posting, but do you have any time
limits on how long the internet can be used. We are much smaller than
you, but we have instituted a half-hour time limit for children's cards
and one hour for adults on our terminals. Each patron can use the
system once a day for up to the 1/2 hour or hour. Once their "turn" is
done, they are off the system until the next day. We also _TRY_ to
enforce the "one person on a terminal at a time" rule. Not always as
successfully, though.

Good Luck!
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:19:48 1998
From: cathy ryne <cryne@sierramadre.lib.ca.us>
ubject: Library Jokes


Hi everyone. I have a rather unusual request. One of our reference
librarians is going to be giving a booktalk later on this week and she
asked
me if anyone knew any good "library jokes" to break the ice with. I
looked
up "jokes" on the internet but couldn't specialize for libraries. We
would
appreciate it if you had anything to share!

I will be happy to post any to the list. Please send them to me at :
cryne@sierramadre.lib.ca.us. Thank you for your patience!

Cathy Ryne
Children's/Young Adult Librarian
Sierra Madre Public Library
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:22:52 1998
From: bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale)
Subject: teenagers in children's room on terminal



At the request of my Revered Bosslady, I'm posting to ask if anyone has
the
same problem we do--only three internet terminals in the children's
dept,
and they seem to be taken up by teenagers who do -not- encourage
children
or parents to interrupt them. The internet terminals are also our
catalog,
so this is fairly serious. Any ideas? Anyone else with the same
problem?

Bonita

--
Bonita Kale
bf455@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:31:11 1998
From: Rosemary Moran <rmoran@ns1.tccl.lib.ok.us>
ubject: Re: Lending Toys


In the mid 70's, I was the librarian at one of our mid-sized branches.
We
were going through some slack times because our system had recently
opened
a large regional library at the eastern boundary of our service area,
and
some of our traffic had moved out there. In looking for things that
would
draw customers back to our branch, my staff and I decided to offer more
story hours and other services to preschool children and their parents.
I
wrote for and received grant money to start a toy lending library. We
purchased educational toys that were unusual--not the kind of stuff you
could buy at the local WalMart, etc.

The project was very successful and we succeeded in creating a niche for
that branch and our programs were well-attended and the toy library was
very popular. After I left the branch, though, and after one other
staff
person departed, the staff who replaced us weren't as committed to the
preschool services, and eventually, the toy library was discontinued in
the
early 80's. By that time, some specialty toy stores had opened up in
town
and the toys we were buying weren't so "unusual" any more.

I found that it took a real committment on the part of the staff to keep
the toys picked up and on the shelves, as kids loved to play with them
in
the library and leave the pieces all over when they left to go home.
Also,
it was often difficult to find packaging that would fit toys of multiple
sizes. Lost and missing pieces were always a problem, and we wound up
repairing toys, as well as taking home puppets to wash, etc. All of
that
was worth it to me, however, because it was achieving what I wanted for
that branch--namely, more business. Later librarians chose other
methods
of encouraging business.

We had a few parents question the cleanliness of the toys, but I was
careful to discard toys when they were worn or too dirty to be
attractive
anymore. I replaced the plush puppets frequently.

I think that project was worthwhile for that time period. In today's
world, however, I would certainly assess the need for a toy library
before
I started one. Because we tied it to storytimes, parenting classes, a
parenting collection, and all of our services, it all worked together to
generate interest and excitement. It also requires a lot of committment
in
staff time to keep up with all the pieces, etc.

I'd be glad to visit more with you about it if you'd like to contact me
at
the address listed below.

To answer your specific questions: we weren't automated at the time, so
we
checked out everything by hand. We used plastic bins with lids and
canvas
bags to transport the toys as kids checked them out.

I purchased mostly things with hard surfaces that could be cleaned if
necessary. We didn't automatically clean everything as it was returned,
but we certainly cleaned things if they appeared dirty. We didn't
disinfect anything.

We stored the toys on regular library shelves and also on a couple of
tables in the preschool area. I encouraged kids to play with the toys
in
the library, so that area got messy quite often. For some things, we
kept
them in plastic bins with lids. It took a lot of staff time and
attention.
you wrote:
> We are considering having a lending toy library be a part
>of our children's collection. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience

Rosemary Moran
Coordinator of Young Adult Services
Tulsa City-County Library
400 Civic Center
Tulsa OK 74103

(918) 596-7931 (Voice)
(918) 596-7907 (Fax)
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:33:41 1998
From: Emily Jackson 504-231-3760 <ejackson@red-seq.ebr.lib.la.us>
Subject: Programs for children under age 3.


If you are providing programs for babies under the age of two, could you
please let me know about it? I've got some excellent bibliographic
sources and have ordered the Born to Read video, so what I
need are your own accounts of how you've conducted such programs in your
libraries. I'd like to know what has or hasn't worked. Let me know if
you'd like me to send you a compilation of the responses I get.
Thanks very much.'
Emily McCoy
Head of Children's Services
East Baton Rouge Parish Library
7711 Goodwood Blvd.
Baton Rouge, LA 70806
fax: (504) 231-3759
E-mail: emccoy@ebr.lib.la.us



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Emily McCoy Phone: 504-231-3760
Head, Children's Services Fax: 504-231-3759
East Baton Rouge Parish Library E-mail: emccoy@ebr.lib.la.us
7711 Goodwood Blvd.
Baton Rouge, LA 70806
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:34:30 1998
From: owner-pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: Holiday Book Collection



Hi everyone--I would appreciate your input on the following problem.

In our Children's Department we have all the books that deal with
specific
holidays shelved in one area. So, for instance, every book that deals
wholly with Christmas whether it's a JE, a reader, a non-fiction, or a
fiction book for upper elementary will be found in the same place.
Because these books are always in high demand during the time of their
holiday, we have designated them as having a short loan period of one
week
(our usual loan period is three weeks) with no renewals. We keep the
short loan period on these books all year round because even though it's
true that there is not much demand for an Easter book in December, still
it would be placing quite a burden on our circulation staff to have to
continually be handling these same books over and over in order to
either
lengthen or shorten their loan periods in our automated system.

So, here's the problem. Recently a parent complained because her
daughter
who is in 5th grade has a lot of difficulty finishing a holiday chapter
fiction book in just one week. The parent said that she could
understand
our reasoning for having the short loan period for the picture books
because these are taken out in great numbers and also for the
non-fiction
because frequently the kids get school assignments regarding the origins
or history of particular holidays. She thought, however, that the
fiction
books were in less demand and that it was unreasonable for us to expect
a
5th grader to complete a 150 to 200 page book in a week when she also
has
to contend with homework, etc.

I can understand and sympathize with the parent's point of view. On the
other hand, I hate to start making exceptions by giving different loan
periods to different types of holiday books because it seems that it
will
just cause confusion. I'm sure we'd have some patrons who would
mistakenly keep a one-week book out for three weeks and then be very
unhappy when they were socked with an overdue fine. I suppose we could
try allowing renewals on the chapter books, but again that would be
making
exceptions.

Anyway, this is a very long posting for what is a pretty minor problem
in
the whole scheme of things but I'm just curious if any of you have had
to
deal with a similar situation and what your solution was. Please
respond
to me at blewis@tln.lib.mi.us. Thanks in advance for all your help.

Barbara Lewis
Livonia Civic Center Library
32777 Five Mile Rd.
Livonia, MI 48154
blewis@tln.lib.mi.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:36:09 1998
From: Trudy Terry <tterry@sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us>
Subject: BORN TO READ


Have any of you set up a born to Read program? How much money did you
have to begin with? How did you budget? How many programs a week did
you do? What selling points did you use for community backing? I am at
the beginning. I have the book and film from ALA . I have talked to
the
Kwanis club and am meeting with Health Department and Wic Tues of next
week.Thanks for any help you can give me oh list readers. Trudy Terry
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:37:02 1998
From: jd663@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Victoria Vannucci)
Subject: video games


I was recently approached by one of our young adult patrons and asked
if we could circulate video games (the Super Nintendo kind, although
they
quickly informed me that NO ONE owns a Nintendo anymore).

Do any of you have a video game collection? If so, where do you
purchase theme do you purchase
them from and how are they catalogued?

I would appreciate any input on this topic. It would make my research
SO much easier.

Thank you , Victoria Vannucci
Euclid Public Library

You can send any messages directly to my email:
jd663@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:37:44 1998
From: owner-pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: Dewey Decimal posters


I am looking for a good basic set of Dewey Decimal posters for an
elementary school library (K-5). I had found a set in the
"Wonderstorms" catalog, but they've been discontinued. Any
suggestions?

-- Helen Sweet
daisy.ingraham.sch@snet.net
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:39:46 1998
From: WDSPC02@front0.cpl.org
Subject: Ohio Librarians working with YAs


I am doing an informal survey for an upcoming workshop. If you
can
spare a minute to respond directly to me it would be most
appreciated.
I am trying to find out how many active Young Adult Advisory Boards
are
running in Ohio, at public libraries. If your library has one in
existence:
1. It's name
2. Age range and total number on Board
3. How long in existence
4. Any other info. you would like to include, such as how the Board
is
organized, what projects the YAs work on, etc.

Thanks in advance.

Amy Canadee, YA/Reference Librarian
Wadsworth Public Library
132 Broad St
Wadsworth, OH 44281
330-334-5761
330-334-6605 FAX
wdspc02@library.cpl.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:44:44 1998
From: Rich McDonald <rmcdonal@prairienet.org>
ubject: Stumper: song about equator, map


We have a patron looking for songs, videos about maps, equator,
latitude etc to use with children. He saw a PBS program and is getting
information from the local station about it. Thanks for your
suggestions/help.
Rich McDonald <rmcdonal@prairienet.org>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:57:05 1998
From: PUBYAC Moderator <pyowner@pallasinc.com>
Subject: PUBYAC is sending again but it looks weird!


Dear PUBYACkers,

Please bear with the weird way that PUBYAC is coming through today. By
Monday night next week things should be back to normal, but for now, at
least I am able to get the messaging to work so that you can get the
*content* of the past week's messages, if not the subject line.

Also, if you do not see your posting from this past week appear before
Monday, please resend it. It may have gotten lost in this week's
technical difficulties.

Thanks for your patience and thanks to those who e-mailed to ask where
PUBYAC had gone.

Shannon VanHemert
PUBYAC Moderator
pyowner@pallasinc.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:58:00 1998
From: Maria Wegscheid <mwegsche@libby.rbls.lib.il.us>
Subject: stumper: "If" for girls


My patron is looking for a copy of the poem which she believes is called
"If for girls". It is a rewritten version of Kipling's "If", as spoken
to
a young woman. The last line is "You'll be a woman..." Author unknown.
Apparently it has been used on greeting cards.

I've checked Granger's Index to Poetry, the Index to Children's Poetry,
and the CD-ROM Columbia Granger's World of Poetry. I've also checked a
few internet sources.

thanks in advance,
maria

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Maria J. Wegscheid
Bettendorf (IA) Public Library
mwegsche@libby.rbls.lib.il.us
Views expressed by the author do not necessarily represent those of the
Bettendorf Public Library.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:58:58 1998
From: Rita Hunt <rhunt@redrose.net>
Subject: Fish stumper answer


Many, many thanks to all who responded. The story of Otto the fish who
was fed too much is indeed, _A Fish out of Water_ by Helen Palmer. Our
copy just landed on my desk and I will pass it on to the patron at
Toddlertime on Wednesday. Thank you all so much!

--
********************************************************************
Rita Hunt
Hershey Public Library
rhunt@redrose.net


"And naturally those notebooks should not be read by anyone else, but if
they are, then, Harriet, you are going to have to do two things and you
don't like either of them:
1) You have to apologize.
2) You have to lie."
--Ole Golly Waldenstein
---------------------

From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 18:59:57 1998
From: Lisa Dunseth <dunsethl@pls.lib.ca.us>
Subject: ACL INSTITUTE 1998


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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 19:00:36 1998
From: Becky Smith <bsmith@inter.state.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Thanks for stumper help


Thanks to the many people who responded to my request for help with
a stumper about a girl, a shipwreck, and babies. The book my patron
was looking for is, indeed, "Baby Island," by Carol Ryrie Brink
(the author of "Caddie Woodlawn.") We don't have a copy in our
library, but according to Books in Print, it's still available in
paperback - The patron is very, very pleased!

Thanks again!

--
Becky Smith
Children's Librarian
Logan (UT) Library
bsmith@inter.state.lib.ut.us
http://www.logan.lib.ut.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"We learn from history that we do not learn anything from history."
-Mark Twain-
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 19:01:44 1998
From: Tim Wadham <TRWADHAM@lib.ci.dallas.tx.us>
Subject: STUMPER: "I Do Not Like It...."


After a fruitless search through my library card catalog, Books in Print
and A to Zoo, I am forced to come to my fellow PUBYACers for help. Is
anyone familiar with a picture book of which the first line of text
reads: "I do not like it when my friend comes to play"??? I would be
most grateful for any help with this. As this is my first stumper, I
hope I remembered all the rules! Please send replies to
Tim Wadham, Assistant Manager
Walnut Hill Library
9495 Marsh Ln.
Dallas, TX 75220
e-mail trwadham@lib.ci.dallas.tx.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 19:09:13 1998
From: "Roudman, Leonard" <lroudman@mail.contra-costa.lib.ca.us>
Subject: SRP - Changing from books read to hours read


PUBYACers I have a question about changing our SRP from number of books
read
to counting number of minutes read. For those libraries doing it this
way
(number of minutes read), how has it worked? If you do minutes read,
why do
you prefer it? How many minutes/hours do you require? What would be
the
equivalent of reading 10 books? Are different totals required for
younger
and older kids? My problem is this - our reading records are based on
reading 10 different kinds of books - mysteries, adventure stories,
etc. If
we changed to number of minutes rather than number of books, how would
our
reading records work??
Thanks to all ahead of time.
Leonard Roudman
San Ramon Library
100 Montgomery St
San Ramon, CA 94583
lroudman@mail.contra-costa.lib.ca.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 19:10:04 1998
From: Susan Graf <SUSANG@ccgwgate.co.clark.nv.us>
ubject: Internet training for staff -Reply



Sorry for the delay, but I have someone GREAT to recommend. Ellen Fox,
from bcr [bibliographic center for research] does an "Internet Training
for Trainers" workshop.

The bcr fees are $375 for the daylong workshop plus expenses, flight
hotel and food. She has given several workshops here, and the
evaluations are always positive. She *really* knows her stuff.

You can check out their offerings, along with more details about this
workshop at their web site: www.bcr.org

Hope this helps,

Susan
susang@ci.north-las-vegas.nv.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 19:11:20 1998
From: rmcdonal@prairienet.org (Rich McDonald)
Subject: Stumpers:1: upside down house 2: quilting sisters



Need your help again:

>From early 80s or earlier: a story about a woman living in an upside down
house with her stubborn kids. One child refuses to take a bath, so she
sprinkles seeds over his body. When plants begin to grow child agrees to
being hosed down.

2: Two old sisters, bedridden, sleep in the same bed facing each other
decide to make a quilt. One sister quilts perfect pattern of their
house,
while the other sister does a crazy quilt.

Reply to: rmcdonald@prairienet.org
THANKS!
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 19:15:48 1998
From: Carol Parkinson <cparkins@connect.bedlib.org>
Subject: pig craft


We are doing a story hour (with a pig theme) for 3 and 4 yr olds. We
are
looking for a simple and inexpensive pig craft idea. We thought about
making piggy banks but haven't come up with a good plan yet.

Any ideas? Please send them directly to me.
Thanks,
Carol Parkinson
Bedford Public Library, Bedford IN
cparkins@bedlib.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 19:16:34 1998
From: "Dawnna Williams" <dawnna@sinnfree.org>
Subject: job opening


We have a full-time Librarian position available in one of the most
exciting Midwestern public library systems. Rockford Public Library's
Rock
River Branch, which is a new, fully automated 10,000 square foot
facility,
opened to the public on November 24, 1997. Rockford Public Library,
located
in Rockford, Illinois, consists of a main library and five branches.
Join
us and become an active part of the Rockford Public Library staff in a
family oriented city where living is still affordable. Rockford is
located
90 miles from Chicago, IL, Madison and Milwaukee, WI.

Duties of the librarian include managing the Rock River Branch,
providing
readers' advisory service, with a focus on children's programming, and
answering information requests from the public.

Qualifications: Applicants must have good knowledge of library
principles
and techniques. Completion of the curriculum requirements for a Master's
Degree in Library Science from an ALA accredited school is required.

Salary: Starting rate is $27,180, which includes annual cost of living
and
merit increases.

Benefits: Generous library-paid health, dental and disability insurance,
deferred compensation plan, retirement fund, paid sick leave, four weeks
paid vacation, and Employee Assistance Program.

Application: Please apply by sending a letter of application and
complete
resume to City of Rockford, Personnel Department, 425 East State Street,
Rockford, IL 61105, (815) 987-5580 or Fax: (815) 967-6924. City
residency
is required within 12 months of hire. Equal Opportunity Employer.
---------------------

From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 19:17:09 1998
From: Rae Kozloff <alib2@sos.net>
Subject: Job Opening



Full-time Young Adult Outreach Librarian interested in working directly
with young adults (ages 12-18) and community organizations to develop
and
establish library and community based library services for this age
group. This position is supported by a Rotary Club of Bay City grant
for
a 5 year period and will serve as a model program in the area of library
services to young adults. The position will continue beyond the
initial 5 year period. The successful candidate will possess an ALA
accredited Masters degree in Library Science or an equivalent
combination
of experience and master's level education, proven experience
in working with young adults, experience or training in
outreach work, organizational and presentation skills and be an
enthusiastic self-starter. Salary for 1998, $27,886 - 34,880 with 23
vacation/personal days, health, dental, LTD insurances, one sick day per
month accumulate to 150 days. Send letter of application with resume
to: Personnel, Bay County Library System, 307 Lafayette Avenue,
Bay City, MI 48708-7796 or email: lderck@vlc.lib.mi.us with
questions.

******************************************
* K. Lynn Derck *
* Assistant Director *
* Bay County Library System *
* 307 Lafayette Avenue *
* Bay City, MI 48708-7796 *
* ph.(517) 894-2837 fax (517) 894-2021 *
* lderck@vlc.lib.mi.us *
******************************************
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 19:31:54 1998
From: "Bonnie Wallace" <bwallace@vigo.lib.in.us>
Subject: Video request


Greetings!

Our AV librarian has a patron who is looking for a copy of Disney's
Flight of the
Grey Wolf, on video. It has been withdrawn from distribution. Does
anyone have a used copy they wouldn't mind parting with, or know
of a remainder source. Please send any replies to
kwalker@vigo.lib.in.us Thanks!

Bonnie Wallace, Young Peoples Librarian
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 19:32:27 1998
From: Lisa Komatsu-Liu <lisakl@netra.lib.state.hi.us>
Subject: BIB: Peasant and greedy restaurant owner


A big mahalo to all who submitted title suggestions to my stumper
request of the peasant ordered to "pay" for the aromas from a restaurant
by jingling his coins. The version my friend recalls is most likely
"Ooka and the Stolen Smell." This story can be found in:
OOKA THE WISE: TALES OF OLD JAPAN by I.G. Edmonds
and
THE STORYTELLER'S SOURCEBOOK

Like most folktales, this story also comes in many variations from
around
the world and are retold in:
THE TWENTY-FIFTH OF KRESLEV (author not supplied)
IN THE MONTH OF KISLEV: A STORY FOR HANUKKAH by Nina Jaffe
FAVORITE FOLKTALES FROM AROUND THE WORLD by Jane Yolen
"The Stolen Smells," in FAIR IS FAIR: WORLD FOLKTALES OF JUSTICE
by Sharon Creeden
WISDOM TALES by Heather Forest
FIRE ON THE MOUNTAIN by Jane Kurtz
MISOSO by Verna Aardema
"Nuwasi as Cadi," in MYTHS AND LEGENDS OF THE SWAHILI by Jan
Knappert
A HARVEST OF WORLD FOLK TALES by Milton Rugoff
"A Greedy Stallkeeper and the Poor Traveler," in A KINGDOM FOR A
DROP OF HONEY AND OTHER BURMESE FOLKTALES by Maung Htin
Aung
"A Baker's Neighbor," in STORIES OF THE AMERICAS by Frank Henius
"The Woodcutter's Helper," in ONCE THE HODJA by Alice Geer
Kelsey
"Rich Man, Poor Man," in AFRICAN FOLKTALES by Roger D. Abrahams
and one of the Judge Dee (J^en-chieh Ti) stories by Robert Hans Van
Gulik.

Aloha and thank you!
Lisa Komatsu-Liu
Library Technician
Pearl City Public Library
Pearl City, Hawaii
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 19:34:16 1998
From: Susan LaFantasie <susanlaf@pcl1.pcl.lib.wa.us>
Subject: Re: school visits


To keep good public relations, could you offer to visit her site
instead,
or could you offer a visit the same day but a different time? Does she
have any suggestions of her own? I really don't know the situation, but
it sounds really difficult . . . hope you find a satisfactory solution
(if there is one).
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 19:34:47 1998
From: Susan LaFantasie <susanlaf@pcl1.pcl.lib.wa.us>
Subject: Re: Picture Book Chaos


We have a large picture book collection and have successfully used the
first letter of the author's last name (a large black letter for
visibility) in addition to the author's full name. We also use a large
E
to designate the books as easy picture books. This has worked well for
us.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 19:35:47 1998
From: CCullum621 <CCullum621@aol.com>
Subject: RE: Stumper


I had a teacher of preschoolers come in today looking for :
" A storybook about a young child putting things up his nose
or in his ears."
Now the teacher nor I know if any such book exists. She had a
child in her class put a bead up his nose for no reason she could
ascertain. She was hoping to find a book concerning this topic.
I could find nothing for her. Does anyone know of a title and
author that they could suggest?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Carolyn N. Cullum
Children's Librarian
Edison, NJ
CCullum@aol.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 19:40:10 1998
From: "Roudman, Leonard" <lroudman@mail.contra-costa.lib.ca.us>
Subject: Fingerplays about sheep or lambs


Pubyacers:
I need fingerplays for an upcoming toddler time program (ages 2 1/2 - 3
1/2)
about sheep and lambs. I already have the book and song MARY HAD A
LITTLE
LAMB. I will send in my complete list of lamb fingerplays to PUBYAC.
Thanks to all ahead of time.
Leonard Roudman
San Ramon Library
100 Montgomery St
San Ramon, CA 94583
lroudman@mail.contra-costa,lib.ca.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 19:40:50 1998
From: "Schwartz, Ginger J." <GJS8126a@co.prince-william.va.us>
Subject: Summary: Giant Activities


Thanks goes out to Meggan Conway, Lauren Levy, and Peggy Townshend for
their "giant" activities...

For your Giant Stories, why not get butcher paper (or any big rolls of
drawing paper) have one kid lay down on the paper and trace his/her
body outline. Then have everyone (if you have a small group, do
several tracings) draw on the eyes, ears, hair, clothes, etc.
You then have a "giant picture".

There is the story/song Abiyoyo by Pete Seegar that could be used.
Also you can make "Giant Feet" by taking two paper bags and placing one
in the other open ends together. cut a hole for the child's foot in the
top of the bags. Don't make it too big or the child's foot will come
out.
Stuff some newspaper in the bag to secure the foot and decorate the
outside with fake fur or markers or whatever you have handy. Draw/paint
some toes on the bags.

A fun, easy, and expensive tie-in is to make a beanstalk. I think its
actually called a flivver, from a source I can't remember. Lay out a
few
sheets of newspaper, not directly on top of each other, but so that you
can
roll them up.(From the short side). After they are rolled, use scissors
to cut slits from one end, about half-way down. The reach in and pull
one
of the center papers out. You will find that you can pull it out a long
way.
It makes a long beanstalk, and the cut pages flop to form "leaves". If
this isn't clear, and you are interested, let me know, and I will find
the
"real" directions for you.

As always, thanks to pubyac... it's my favorite resource.


Ginger J. Schwartz
Children's Librarian
Potomac Community Library
2201 Opitz Blvd.
Woodbridge, VA 22191
(703) 494 - 8126
gjs8126a@co.prince-william.va.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 19:41:25 1998
From: Cathy Sullivan Seblonka <cathys@uproc.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Stumper--magic scissors



Hi, I have a patron who would like to find a book she read when she was
young. She is in her 60s now. She thinks it's called The Magic
Scissors.
It's about a Chinese boy who, using a pair of scissors, cuts things out
and they come alive. I asked if he had to be Chinese and she said the
pictures showed a boy with a square? cap on his head and a long
ponytail.
I don't think it's The Boy Who Drew Cats. I've checked A-Zoo, B&T, and
Paulin's reference books. Patron said the book she read was blue (ha,
ha). Does anyone know this book? Thanks.

Cathy Sullivan Seblonka
Youth Services Coordinator
Peter White Public Library
217 N. Front St.
Marquette, MI 49855
(906) 228-9510
fax (906) 228-7315
e-mail: cathys@uproc.lib.mi.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 19:44:31 1998
From: CV Childrens <cvjuve@oplin.lib.oh.us>
ubject: Help! Readers Theatre/Arthur evening



Please help! Our library has been asked to do the program for a boyscout
(grades 1-5) awards banquet. We've decided to do a little Readers
Theatre
(5 people) and have chose two titles (excerpts from Hank the Cowdog by
John
Erickson and The Stinky Cheese Man by Scieszca). However, we need
additional suggestions: something that we could read in about 5 mins. or
so
that would really appeal to a group of boys. Something interactive would
be
terrific. TIA

Secondly, We're having an Arthur event (Marc Brown's Arthur) in April
and
need suggestions for activities. Those attending will be preschoolers
through about 3rd or 4th grade. TIA

What a terrific resource this list is!


Marsha Rakestraw, YA Specialist
Washington-Centerville Public Library
Centerville, OH 45458
cvjuve@oplin.lib.oh.us
or
rakestma@oplin.lib.oh.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 20:03:02 1998
From: edunsker@interaccess.net (Emmy Dunsker)
ubject: DEADLINE FOR APPLICATION TO INSTITUTE FOR LIBRARY SERVICES TO


ANNOUCEMENT: DEADLINE FOR INSTITUTE ON LIBRARY SERVICES TO MIGRANT AND
SEASONAL FARMWORKERS IN FLORIDA HAS BEEN EXTENDED!!

The University of South Florida, School of Library and Information
Science
is sponsoring an Institute to train public librarians and media
specialists
to work with itinerant farmworkers within the state of Florida. The
original deadline for application to the Institute was set for February
2nd, 1998 and has been extended till March 2, 1998. To apply, please
register on-line at the following web address:
http://www.cas.usf.edu/lis/migrant/application.html To receive more
information regarding the Institute access the following URL:
http://www.cas.usf.edu/lis/migrant/MIGRANT.html (frames version) OR
http://www.cas.usf.edu/lis/migrant/Migrant_2.html (non-frames version).
____________________________________________________________________________
_____

ANNOUNCEMENT: INSTITUTE ON LIBRARY SERVICES TO MIGRANT AND SEASONAL
FARMWORKERS IN FLORIDA

The University of South Florida, School of Library and Information
Science
will sponsor a week-long summer institute to train librarians and media
specialists in Florida to serve migrant and seasonal farmworkers and
their
families. With approximately 200,000 or more migrant and seasonal
farmworkers, Florida has the third largest population in the nation.

The Institute will assist participants to acquire the following skills:
* Develop communication strategies associated with language and cultural
differences.
* Create collection policies and procedures that are responsive to
information needs.
* Produce collaborative guidelines for working with social and
public/private service agencies.
* Model service programs to increase participation of this population in
library related activities.
* Create a network of trained information professionals who will further
facilitate such programs in other library communities.

The Institute is funded under a Title II-B Higher Education Act grant of
$46,003 from the U.S. Department of Education. Space for the Institute
is
limited to a total of 40 participants. Principal investigators for the
project are Marilyn Stauffer and Derrie Perez from the School of Library
and Information Science, University of South Florida.

WHERE AND WHEN?

This institute is scheduled for June 14-19, 1998 (SUNDAY AFTERNOON -
FRIDAY
MORNING) at the Best Western Hotel, Tampa, Florida (NEAR BUSCH GARDENS).
All expenses including meals, hotel accommodations, notebooks, CD-ROM
materials, and transportation to a migrant housing site will be
sponsored
by the grant. Participants are expected to provide their own
transportation
to and from the Institute.

FURTHER INFORMATION AND APPLICATION PROCESS

Space for the Institute is limited to 40 participants including media
specialists and public librarians within the state of Florida. A
website
is designed to permit interested persons to submit applications on-line.
The address of the site is as follows:
http://www.cas.usf.edu/lis/migrant/MIGRANT.html. Applications may be
requested by writing to the following:

Marilyn Stauffer, Derrie Perez, or Emily Dunsker
School of Library and Information Science
University of South Florida
4202 E. Fowler Avenue
Tampa, FL 33620

For further information on this Institute, please call the School of
Library and Information Sciences, University of South Florida: (813)
974-3520. You may also send an email message to Emily Dunsker,
edunsker@interaccess.net.

****************************************************************************
"When the soul is involved, work is not carried out by the ego alone; it
arises from a deeper place and therefore is not deprived of passion,
sponteneity, and grace".

Thomas Moore
Care of the Soul (1994).
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 21:03:02 1998
From: Sharon Henegar <henegars@pls.lib.ca.us>
Subject: STUMPER: running for office


We have a patron looking for a book that she remembers as a picture book
about a woman running for public office. She's afraid people might laugh
at her because she has a funny hat, but her nephew wants her to run. At
the end of the story she makes a speech. The illustrations are in color
and reminded her of the cartoons by Booth in the New Yorker.

We'd appreciate your help with this one!

Sharon Henegar
San Mateo (CA) Public Library
henegars@pls.lib.ca.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 21:11:05 1998
From: Elaine Williams <williael@oplin.lib.oh.us>
Subject: Need info on David Speas


Hi, Pubyakkers--

Does anyone out there have information on a children's author named
David
Speas? He has sent a flyer to our local school saying he wants to do a
program there, and no one has heard of him. Amazon has no books with
him
as author. I'd appreciate some book titles at least if I can't get
biographical information or some such. TIA!

Elaine Williams
Children's Librarian
Lynchburg Branch Library
Lynchburg, OH
williael@oplin.lib.oh.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 22:13:10 1998
From: Lesia Miller <millera@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>
Subject: Re: BIP on network


Howdy,
We offer BIP on our LAN to patrons. It works well with only one minor
set-back: some patrons confuse the BIP with our library catalog. The red
flag is when BIP doesn't give them a call number. But, that is a minor
problem. I think that offering BIP is fabulous for patrons. The pro's
are
numerous. Just remember to display a nice, clean sign announcing the new
arrival and you should be all set to go.

Lesia Miller
Youth Services Librarian
New Tampa Regional Library
Tampa-Hillsborough County Public Library
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 22:17:56 1998
From: Amy Shelley <AShelley@larm.lib.wy.us>
Subject: STUMPERS-Innovative teen story


Hi PUBYAC:

I have a patron who is seeking a book he read in the early 50's about a
poor
teenaged boy who salvaged a caterpillar tractor from a frozen lake. The
teen went
on to repair the tractor and get it running and then used it for work.
He also was
able to invent other innovative things like a generator for his family's
farm. The
story is probably set in the thirties or forties. No author or title
remembered. I've
tried A to Zoo and our online catalogs to no avail...any ideas out
there??

Thanks,

Amelia Shelley
ashelley@larm.lib.wy.us
Manager, Children's/Young Adult Services
Laramie County Library
Cheyenne, WY
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 22:36:44 1998
From: MARIEN@ALCON.ALC.ORG
Subject: stumper:pilgrim and pumpkins


I have a patron looking for an older fiction book (read in 1988) about 2
sisters (either Puritan or Pilgrim) who are left to do their chores by
parents.
They are told they can carve their pumpkins into jack-o'-lanterns after
they
finish. They carve them before they finish. Patron also recalls a
hole or
cistern in which the girls hide when Indians come. The jack-o'-lanterns
frighten the Indians away. Any clues?
==========================================================================
Marie Noe (915) 676-6067
Librarian II Abilene Public Library
Abilene, TX
marie.noe@alcon.alc.org
==========================================================================
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 23:03:05 1998
From: Marie McDermott <mmcdermo@rcls.org>
Subject: Homework Help Centers


Dear Colleagues,
We would like to establish a homework help center here at the
children's room of the New City Library, but before we initiate this
program we would like to glean as much information as possibile from
those
libraries that already have such a program in place. Some of the
considerations would be funding, materials, staffing, scheduling,
procedures and policy. If you could help me in this endeavor I would
greatly appreciate it. If you wish to send me information through the
mail, my address is :
Marie McDermott
Librarian
New City Library
220 North Main Street
New City, N.Y. 10956

Or, respond to me at:
MMcdermo@rcls.org

Thank you for whatever assistance you may be to me in this new
undertaking.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 23:05:54 1998
From: "A. Courtney" <courtney@netrom.com>
Subject: job listing



Position: Youth Services Librarian, part-time

Lake Hiawatha Branch of the Parsippany-Troy Hills Library System
139 Hiawatha Boulevard, Lake Hiawatha, NJ 07034

Hours: 17 per week

Duties:
- provide library services to children and young adults
- conduct story hours & other programs for children
- collaborate on collection development
- participate in outreach services to the local schools &
community
groups

Qualifications:
- MLS, will consider MLS candidate
- knowledge of children’s book and other materials
- knowledge of library methods and procedures
- comfortable in a computerized environment
- experience in working with children

Salary: Annual equivalent $30,128 +, depending upon experience
Benefits: Paid holidays, sick leave, & vacation

Date available: January 30, 1998
Closing date: March 1, 1998

Apply to:
Aida Courtney
Youth Services Supervisor
Lake Hiawatha Branch of the
Parsippany-Troy Hills Township Library System
139 Hiawatha Boulevard
Lake Hiawatha, NJ 07034

e-mail courtney@main.morris.org
Telephone 973-335-0952
Fax 973-335-8610
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 23:06:30 1998
From: "Sue Seggeling" <seggel@hotmail.com>
Subject: Thanks for help with teacher


I would like to thank everyone for the help and advise I recieved from
this list. I know you are wondering what has been happening on this end
of things so here goes. Yes I had talked to the principal at the
beginning of the year when this event happened. She was as ridged as
the teacher. I told her than that I would review the situation at the
beginning of the year. Well after that phone call the letter went out
to the parents from the teacher. I countered with my own letter stating
our position of having to serve the whole community. At the first of
the year the teacher called to inform me the date she was coming with
the class. As it happens I was out of town on that date. I didn't feel
I should leave my staff with that mess. For that day we combined the
two storytimes into one and had it at an earlier time. The teacher came
late but had many parents to help her. Which was good because she had a
larger than usual class. There were no problems because I made sure
there wouldn't be this one time.

I have thought of a compromise to the situation but I'm waiting right
now for the teacher to make her next move. I'm not to happy with that
letter she wrote to parents and that is why i'm acting like a mule with
this. Many of your suggestions have been done. I know that everything
will turn out well in the end. I have to say if she had never sent that
letter there really would not have been a problem because I would have
found a way much sooner to make the situation work. BTW we are
expecting the teachers to strike in the next couple of weeks so it maybe
dead issue.

Thank you again for your help and support. It helps to know your not
alone in a situation. I'm going to my director now with many of your
great suggestions.

Many Thanks
Sue

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 30 23:41:07 1998
From: owner-pubyac@NYSERNet.org
Subject: Job notice - 2 positions - South Florida


One of my coworkers has just introduced me to a fun story, The Tiger in
The
Teapot, taught to her by her mother. I am interested in finding out if
anyone
knows a source for this tale. This is a story where the mother finds a
tiger
in the tea pot and tries in vain to get it out so she can make tea. A
succession of family members try and finally the littlest girl gets the
tiger
to come out and share tea when he learns there is also chocolate cake.

Has anyone heard this before and can give me a source?

Thanks,

Susan Moore
Coordinator, Children's Services
Louisville Free Public Library
301 York Street
Louisville, KY 40203
internet: moore@louisville.lib.ky.us

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Subject: stumper - tiger in the tea pot

One of my coworkers has just introduced me to a fun story, The Tiger in The
Teapot, taught to her by her mother. I am interested in finding out if anyone
knows a source for this tale. This is a story where the mother finds a tiger
in the tea pot and tries in vain to get it out so she can make tea. A
succession of family members try and finally the littlest girl gets the tiger
to come out and share tea when he learns there is also chocolate cake.

Has anyone heard this before and can give me a source?

Thanks,

Susan Moore
Coordinator, Children's Services
Louisville Free Public Library
301 York Street
Louisville, KY 40203
internet: moore@louisville.lib.ky.us

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