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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 18:15:58 1998
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: Librarians Wages
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Scott Hibbert wrote:
> Librarians should not be competing with police and fire departments for
> politicians attention. As much as possible, we should be separate taxing
> bodies, accountable to our patrons/voters. Then we can find out "what
the
> market will bear".
Scott, I completely agree with you. In cases where libraries have
separate taxing bodies, library funding is usu. quite good. Most people
know we're a good value for their dollar - and most people don't mind
paying for something they actually *get*
But don't you think that part of our salary depression is the result of a
non-market for our services? Doctors and lawyers don't *have* to work for
the government: If the govt. wants to hire them, they're forced into
paying at least somewhat competitive rates. The more I think about this,
the more I'm begining to wonder if it isn't a vicious circle: Our society
values money - the more money you can make the higher your status.
Librarians don't make much money, therefore.... and so on. Because,
AFAIK, the private sector jobs are pretty few.
Kirsten
kirstedw@kcls.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 18:16:06 1998
From: aparadise@juno.com
Subject: Re: What should I take with me?
Unfortunately, I think both are O.P. Fantasy, fiction , folklore and
poetry for Children- Bowker. $200 of BIP type info (incl illus) of books
in print for approximately 100 years. In valuable for stumpers, ILL,
etc. Also Storyteller's Sourcebook which used the Stith Thompson motif
indexing. Eastman isn't nearly as detailed. Otherwise, any of Gardner's
"Annotated..." series, Only Connect, Green and Burning Tree, Written
for
Children...
Anne
Andy or Anne Paradise aparadise@juno.com
Gary Public Library andrew@gary.lib.in.us
Gary IN
anne@gary.lib.in.us
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:42:49 -0400 "Tim Capehart" <tdcape0@pop.uky.edu>
writes:
>employee discount)...Are there any reference items that you find
>invaluable
>that I might be able to find in a (huge) bookstore?
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 18:16:27 1998
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: chat rooms
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Mary K Chelton wrote:
> and I can't figure out why they are such an issue other than the fact that,
> as usual, nobody planned for normal adolescent behavior in installing
> Internet terminals.
Dr. Chelton [*]
Since, as near as I can tell, no-one planned for normal *human* behavior
in installing ANYTHING in the library, I don't see why teens should be
singled out for any special attentions :-)
Kirsten Edwards
kirstedw@kcls.org
[*] At least until the *new* wears off ;-)
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 18:17:04 1998
From: RichardGuy <RichardGuy@aol.com>
Subject: Re: bags
You give out bags????
Don't let Casey find out. He'll be embarrassed about all the money public
libraries have to buy frills and run out of excuses to steal it from the
schools.
Richard K. Moore, Librarian
Bolsa Grande High School
Garden Grove, CA
Email: RichardGuy@AOL.COM
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Any opinion expressed here should be the opinion of any
right thinking individual, especially my employer.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 18:18:09 1998
From: "Shane and Ann Riza <riza@sumter.net>" <riza@sumter.net>
Subject: Re: Library quotes
I somehow missed the letter asking for library quotes, so don't have the
person's e-mail address to respond directly. I collected these recently
for a personal project I was working on and thought they were worth
sharing. I hope the person looking for quotes sees this-- but I also hope
the rest of you enjoy them!
A house without books is like a room without windows. No man has a right to
bring up children without surrounding them with books.... Children learn to
read being in the presence of books.
Heinrich Mann (1871-1950)
The library connects us with the insight and knowledge, painfully extracted
from Nature, of the greatest minds that ever were, with the best teachers,
drawn from the entire planet and from all our history, to instruct us
without tiring, and to inspire us to make our own contribution to the
collective knowledge of the human species. I think the health of our
civilization, the depth of our awareness about the underpinnings of our
culture and our concern for the future can all be tested by how well we
support our libraries.
— Cosmos
Carl Sagan
The medicine chest of the soul.
Inscription over the door of the Library at Thebes.
A library is not a luxury but one of the necessities of life.
Henry Ward Beecher
My mother and my father were illiterate immigrants from Russia. When I was
a child they were constantly amazed that I could go to a building and take
a book on any subject. They couldn't believe this access to knowledge we
have here in America. They couldn't believe that it was free.
Kirk Douglas (1916- )
You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where people
sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of employing
wild animals as librarians.
Monty Python skit
"Mary Kay is one of the secret masters of the world: a librarian. They
control information. Don't ever piss one off."
The Callahan Touch
Spider Robinson
You must live feverishly in a library. Colleges are not going to do any
good unless you are raised and live in a library everyday of your life.
— Cited in Writer's Digest, February 1976, p25
Ray Douglas Bradbury (1920- )
I received the fundamentals of my education in school, but that was not
enough. My real education, the superstructure, the details, the true
architecture, I got out of the public library. For an impoverished child
whose family could not afford to buy books, the library was the open door
to wonder and achievement, and I can never be sufficiently grateful that I
had the wit to charge through that door and make the most of it.
Now, when I read constantly about the way in which library funds are being
cut and cut, I can only think that the door is closing and that American
society has found one more way to destroy itself.
— I, Asimov. New York: Doubleday, 1994.
Isaac Asimov
Ann Riza, MLIS student (graduating in 9 days)!
College of Library and Information Science
University of South Carolina
riza@sumter.net
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 18:18:47 1998
From: Melody Allen <melodyan@lori.state.ri.us>
Subject: RE: Reference Question
No Springfield in RI-
Melody Allen
Melodyan@lori.state.ri.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 18:19:19 1998
From: Guarria <cguarria@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Re: What should I take with me?
Tim,
Congratulations! Lots of luck to you.
I would definitely recommend getting "A to Zoo: Subject
Access to Children's Picture Books" published by R.R. Bowker. Also,
"World Explorers and Discoverers" from MacMillan, and
"Encyclopedia of
Native American Tribes", Facts on File, (we have more than one copy of
each) are heavily used for assignments in my library. I'm not sure, but I
think a large bookstore could probably order these for you.
Carrie
cguarria@suffolk.lib.ny.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 18:19:59 1998
From: Guarria <cguarria@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: favorite book quote (fwd)
"I cannot live without books"
--Thomas Jefferson
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 18:20:32 1998
From: esullivan@nypl.org (esullivan)
ubject: Parents Attending Teen Programs (Pubyac #286)
I do not at all like the idea of parents attending teen programs.
Having parents present will only make teens feel uncomfortable. Their
programs should be opportunities for them to get away from their
parents, relax and be themselves, and interact with one another
without having to worry about being watched by a parent. I would do
all I could to discourage parents from attending teen programs. I
don't think it would be out of line at all to tell parents who want to
come that program is for teens only. You are the librarian so you set
the rules.
I'm also not keen on having parents in children's programs. I find
they usually end up just spoiling things for their kid. They may be
well meaning, but they interfere, particularly in craft programs.
They'll tell kids they're doing things wrong or just do everything for
them. I also find it very irritating when kids (children and teens)
are in the library looking for books and information and their parents
do all the talking!
If I were King of the Library, I would just have a general ban of all
parents from children's rooms and extend an occasional invitation only
to them for a family literacy or parent-child program. But, alas,
these are only autocratic dreams.
Ed Sullivan, Senior Project Librarian
The New York Public Library
Connecting Libraries and Schools Project
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:42:25 1998
From: Carol & Marcel Erkens <erkens@tconl.com>
ubject: Re: bags
Susan,
At our library in Omaha, the Friends of the Library sells plastic library
bags, the heavier kind, for .50 each. We also have bags that the kids get
during Summer Reading Club that they will sometimes reuse. Occasionally,
we'll have patrons donate the thin plastic shopping bags, so if someone
doesn't want their books to get wet, they have a few options. Other then
that, they're on their own. You might approach your Friend's group for
suggestions/help. One library's friend's group in Mississippi sold "You buy
a bag, we'll buy a book" canvas bags that went over really well. I still
have mine and use it all the time!
Good luck!
Carol Erkens
YA Librarian, Abrahams Branch, Omaha Public Library
At 02:52 PM 4/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Our library has recently stopped giving out the heavy, plastic library
>bags
>(with handles) because of the expense. Some people would reuse them
>time after time, but
>too few did. We are currently giving out the thin grocery store type of
>bags. Our
>customers don't like them because the books just slice right through
>them.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:46:26 1998
From: Norm Bagley <bagleyn@crisny.org>
Subject: Re: Librarian wages
Good vacation? Good benefits? Not everywhere, that's for sure. After
three years as a full-time children's librarian, I have worked up to
three weeks vacation -- I'll see four if I'm here, oh about seven more
years. When I was hired, there were NO benefits, other than state
retirement, which I think is mandated by law, being a public library in
NY. I now have HMO membership for health only because I pursued it with
the board. It's decent, but not great, coverage. While large libraries may
offer good vacation and benefits (and better salary), the majority of public
libraries in this country are
small or medium sized, and judging from my observation of the four county
system my library is in, my situation is quite common. Of course, I'd
love to hear from lots of people in small libraries telling me I'm wrong
and the situation is better most other places! What makes the salary
issue more frustrating for me is knowing that I could make, in my area,
$10,000 more to START as a school librarian -- since I am certified to be
a SLMS, I will probably wind up doing that because the pay is at least
reasonable. Just my two cents.
-- Norm Bagley, M.L.S.
Waterford (NY) Public Library
bagleyn@crisny.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:47:05 1998
From: Carol & Marcel Erkens <erkens@tconl.com>
ubject: Re: chat rooms
Mary K.,
I couldn't agree with you more! Being the mother of 3 teenagers, I know
the draw they are. I myself will admit to a distinct addiction, having met
my husband on the internet over 2 years ago. It's a great opportunity for
people, young and old, to learn ineractive skills without the danger of
"losing face" or becoming embarrassed when you "mess up".
Agreed, there'll be major problems with access (hogging the internet
computers), but we have that problem NOW, mostly with the adult patrons we
serve. In face, because we're being faced, almost on a daily basis, with
new issues, our computer contacts committee has formed a subcommittee to
handle, probably weekly, these very problems until we get them all ironed
out.
Denying access to chatrooms JUST for adolecents is a major discrimination
issue and a very good way to cut our noses off to spite our faces. I mean,
just who do we think will be paying the taxes to support our libraries in
the very real, near future?
My two cents,
Carol Erkens
YA Liibrarian, Abrahams Branch, Omaha Public Library
At 05:52 PM 4/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Regarding the pros and cons on Internet chat rooms, I am still amazed that
>librarians understand adolescent so poorly that they don't understand that
>chat rooms would be a natural draw for them. They want to know if they're
>normal and to have somebody talk to them.
>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:47:40 1998
From: Erin Gallagher <gallaghe@noblenet.org>
Subject: Re: Librarian Wages
Dear List,
Our library is part of the Teacher's Union in our city. Now before
everyone thinks this is great and that we must have the same benefits as
the teachers, think again. We pay the same dues as the teachers but:
-They settle their contract before we can settle ours.
-The school board gets to decide their salaries, where as the mayor
decides ours...which means a teacher can make up to twice as much as a
librarian.
-Teachers get all the school vacations off...we get two weeks after one
year, three weeks after 5 years and 4 weeks after ten years.
-The teachers have about 15 steps for pay...we have three with no increase
at all after two years.
I could go on and on, but the point I'm trying to make is that just
because one is part of the teacher's union does not mean one will get the
same benefits as the teachers. I don't understand it. Why is it that we
work up to 30% more hours a year than teachers, but make so much less? I
find it very disheartening.
Erin
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Erin Gallagher | Peabody Institute Library
Head of Children's Services | Peabody, Massachusetts
gallagher@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange*
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:48:09 1998
From: Carol & Marcel Erkens <erkens@tconl.com>
ubject: Re: Re: Chat rooms
Chat Rooms and the Internet....
Is it conceivable that some type of internet safety class could be
offered? I know when I got internet access at home, I sat down with my kids
and surfed and chatroomed with them, pointing out dangerous-sounding sites
and people and how to avoid them or make them leave you alone. After a few
times, I felt comfortable that they knew what they were doing. My kids were
16, 14 and 11 at the time.
In our library, we have a policy right now that it is the parent's
responsibility to monitor their children's behavior on the net. We don't
have regular undernet chat access, but there is web-access chat as well as
email. The potential is there for child molestors to contact the kids that
way, but I don't think it's any greater then the possible child molestors
we may have coming into the library on a daily basis that we are totally
unaware of.
The internet is not some big, bad wolf set up to lure unsuspecting
children/teens/adults to their doom. It's another way of exchanging
information. Responsible net use is the key, and if we, as librarians,
have to teach that, so be it. Or at lease find someone that can (Another
idea for a summer reading club program).
I guess this is my $1.00's worth :-),
Carol Erkens
YA Librarian, Abrahams Branch, Omaha Public Library
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:48:31 1998
From: Catherine Williams <wcatheri@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
ubject: Re: Parents attending Teen programs
Our Young Adult Librarian is always very strict about age limits. For the
programs she has, the limit is always 12-17. No one who is younger may
come in, and no one who is older may attend. We all support her in this
endeavor, and I will tell you why. When a teenager looks into a room,
uncertain as to whether or not to join in, that teenage is thinking "Am I
going to fit in here?" If there are little kids, it is clear that the
answer is "NO!" If there are adults in the room, the teen will avoid
it
as being "boring" or something else. Teens want to hang with other
teens.
Since Sandee Wagle came here to our location and started STRICTLY
enforcing this policy, we have had growing attendance in our programs.
Teens know that they will be treated with the respect that it takes to
ensure the purity of the crowd.
We offer plenty of neat programs for younger kids, and even some programs
(offered by other divisions) for adults. We need not make every program
so all-inclusive.
Cathy Williams
wcatheri@freenet.columbus.oh.us
Center for Discovery, Main, Columbus Metropolitan Library, OH
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:48:41 1998
From: Julie Shatterly <julies@lyon.york.lib.sc.us>
Subject: cowboy prechool books
Once again, I'm in need... our summer reading theme is "Reading
Round-up"
and I'm planning a big cowboy preschool kick-off storytime. I have
already found COWBOY BABY and COWBOY BUNNIES - 2 really cute books. Does
anybody have any other tried and true suggestions? I like Whitefish Wil
but that's still a little too complicated for my 3-5 year olds. Any
suggestions would be helpful, please reply to me and I can share if there
are any requests.
While I'm at it, any tried and true Fourth of July picturebooks you really
like? Next to St. Patrick's Day, I seem to always struggle with that one.
Thank you!
Julie G. Shatterly
Children's Department Manager
York County Library
P.O. Box 10032
Rock Hill, SC 29731
PH: (803)324-7588
FAX: (803)328-9290
julies@lyon.york.lib.sc.us
Views represented are strictly personal and do not necessarily represent
those of the York County Library.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:48:55 1998
From: "Shannon VanHemert, CL Children's"
<shannonv@jefferson.lib.co.us>
Subject: Incentives for Summer Reading program
To add to the discussion about Summer Reading program incentives, I wanted
to tell you about something my system is doing, an idea which we blatantly
borrowed from a neighboring library system.
Last year, while admittedly we offered an individual incentive for
finishing 8 hours of reading, we also didn't want kids to stop at eight
hours. Many of our readers are avid novel readers, and 8 hours is
peanuts for them. Yet they still often want those hours to count for something
and we weren't going to give them a 2nd paperback book free.
So we borrowed the idea to sponsor a horse rescue program. If the kids
all across our county would read 25,000 books, our library foundation
agreed to donate $1000 to the Horse Protection League, which is a
non-profit organization.
Well! Little did we realize how this would fire the imaginations of kids
and their parents! We hit 25,000 books with little trouble. Reactions
from parents were marvelous. Kids were very fired up and diligently
brought in their titles for us to count. We went *way* over 25,000. A
$1000 check was duly cut for the League, and we made posters for all
branches so kids coming in through the first part of the school year could
see that they had accomplished their goal.
This year instead of reading for homeless horses, we're reading for
homeless children. Our Foundation has again agreed to offer $1000, which
if our goal is met, we'll use to buy $1000 worth of paperbacks, which
will be distributed via a local non-profit organization. We're hoping that
this goal will also inspire kids to keep reading and to look outside their
own rewards to work corporately toward a worthy cause.
Shannon VanHemert
Head, Children's Dept., Columbine Branch
Jefferson County Public Library
7706 W. Bowles Ave.
Littleton, CO 80123
shannonv@jefferson.lib.co.us
Phone: (303) 932-3053 Fax: (303) 932-3041
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:49:31 1998
From: "mary arnold" <mjarnold@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: chat rooms
Just like to add that some of our most faithful "chatters" are an
even older crowd who have discovered a variety of "new parents' chat"
or "homemakers' chat", and they, too, enjoy their connectivity side
by side with the teens--sometimes leaning over to share a joke!
>Just a reminder to us that adolescent behavior is always, first and
foremost, normal human behavior, too.
Mary Arnold MLS
Medina County District Library
mjarnold@hotmail.com
the end of reading is not more books but more life
"my opinions are mine, all mine!"
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:49:45 1998
From: Filtering Facts <David_Burt@filteringfacts.org>
ubject: Re: Chat rooms
Sarah Hudson wrote:
>The thing that worries me are the recent cases involving
>child molestors and child pornographers luring children
>to meet them in person through an introduction in a
>chat room. I'd hate for someone to connect like that through
>the library. I don't know how we would prevent that, though.
>
This just happened in Ft. Smith, AK. A girl, using a library computer, was
contacted by a child molester who met her *at the library*, took her to a
hotel and raped her.
Southwest Times Record, 4/17/98
http://www.swtimes.com/site/1998/april/17/news/internet.html
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David Burt, Filtering Facts, HTTP://WWW.FILTERINGFACTS.ORG
David_Burt@filteringfacts.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:50:35 1998
From: Tia Jah Wynne <TWynne@imcpl.lib.in.us>
Subject: RE: Librarian Wages
[Tia Jah Wynne] I'd love to add my degree to my name (after all, I
worked hard for it; I'd also love to have a wall on which to hang my
diplomas, but I'd have to get an office first!), but without an agreed
upon standard, I think those additional letters might create more
confusion and/or suspicion (I often look at names with unfamiliar
letters following the signature with a bit of sceptcisim--after all,
anyone can buy a degree of some type!). And though all might agree that
by graduating from an ALA accredited library school I do indeed hold a
MLS, the actual degree I received was a MLibr. or a Master of
Librarianship (NOT Library Science), which you must admit is a bit of a
mouthfull. ;-)
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> From: "Erin V. Helmrich" <helmrich@tln.lib.mi.us>
>
> Responding to D'Arcy Stainton's question about esteem in the
> profession. I think one of the most obvious ways that we could raise
> the
> public's awareness of our education would be to include our degree on
> business cards, professional correspondance etc. <snip>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:51:16 1998
From: Carol Hoke <hoke@crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.us>
ubject: Re: bags
Were you giving out these bags free of charge or did they pay for them?
Our friends group has plastic library bags for sale at the checkout for 35
cents (maybe 40) and people can buy them or not. Many patrons bring their
own bags to use. We don't automatically give out a bag to each customer
like some (not all - some here tell you to bring your own) grocery stores.
>Our library has recently stopped giving out the heavy, plastic library
>bags
>(with handles) because of the expense.
Carol Hoke
Children's Services Manager
Cedar Rapids Public Library
500 1st St. SE
Cedar Rapids, IA 52401
Hoke@crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:51:45 1998
From: Carol Thornton-Anderson <meltonkids@smithville.net>
Subject: rain forest activities
Greetings,
I'm looking for some rain forest activities for my SRP. One thing
I'm particularly interested in is an activity that involves individuals
in a group making different rain forest sounds and when the sound of
heavy equipment (how?) begins, different RF sounds stop until there's
only the sound of the equipment. Anybody know the nuts & bolts of that
one? Any other ideas would be grand, ie. crafts,etc. I've got the rain
stick craft but if you have special tips, please share! More than happy
to share what I get with everybody! TIA
Carol Thornton-Anderson
Youth Services, Melton Public Library
French Lick,IN meltonkids@smithville.net
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:51:59 1998
From: Becky Tatar <bltata@aurora.lib.il.us>
ubject: Quote
To anyone who cared to know about the education quote I asked about: Sara
Weisman on Publib found it on a quote site. Here is the address:
http://www.cyber-nation.com/victory/quotations/authors/quotes_socrates.html
Thank you to all who spared a few minutes to ponder the question.
-----------------------------------
Becky Tatar
Unit Head, Periodicals/Audio-Visual
Aurora Public Library
1 E. Benton Street
Aurora, IL 60505
Phone: 630/264-4100, x4116
FAX: 630/896-3209
e-mail: bltata@aurora.lib.il.us
Opinions are my own.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:55:32 1998
From: Ralph Huntzinger <ralphunt@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: Chat Rooms
I usually only comment on recorded media related issues (since I know
something about that) and keep my wisdom on "access/IF" to myself;
however, I can't resist two asides:
1) Isn't what we are doing right now a chat room on a higher level?
2) I'm so glad Kristen works for the same organization I do.
Ralph Huntzinger
<ralphunt@kcls.org>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:56:14 1998
From: susand@ci.hillsboro.or.us
Subject: Librarian wages
On 4-29 Julie Abbot said
"Many if not most MLS positions offer 4 weeks vacation time annually.
This is twice the typical 2 weeks offered in most private sector jobs
in the US."
Wow! Guess I've been unlucky. None of the four public libraries I've
worked in since receiving my MLS has ever offered more than 2 weeks of
vacation to start.
Susan Dunn
Youth Services Librarian
Hillsboro (OR) Public Library
susand@ci.hillsboro.or.us
Rock is dead. Long live scissors and paper!
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:56:48 1998
From: Lesley Knieriem <lknierie@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Re: Parents attending Teen programs
I have to disagree with Justine's position. While
intergenerational and parent/teen programs are very important (and I
schedule several), I feel that it is VERY important to the teens that they
have their own "space", in programming as well as materials. I always
have adults signing up for my teen craft programs and trying to come to my
teen movies. It's sometimes frustrating to turn them away, since it is so
hard to get the teen turnout, and sometimes I want to pack the numbers
(especially if the program is expensive!) but I try hard to fight the
impulse. I usually explain to the adults the importance of giving the
teens a safe, constructive, supervised environment (as opposed to the
mall, say) where they can be themselves without the constraints of adult
presence, and the parents, at least, are generally satisfied with this.
There are other patrons (particularly the seniors who want to attend my
Movie Nights) who don't like it, but since I clearly advertise the
programs for "Grade 6-12", I have no compunction in enforcing it. Of
course, there HAVE been a couple of occasions when they ignored me,
marched in, snatched popcorn and soda, and plunked down in their seats
anyway -- when nothing short of physically ejecting them would get them to
leave, I usually let them stay! (Sheesh! And people tell me that TEENS
are selfish, rude and obnoxious!)
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On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Justine Karmozyn wrote:
> I understand your hesitation, but I would allow all ages to attend
> programs even if they are geared toward a certain age group, unless
> the subject matter would be inappropriate. When parents see what
> fabulous programs you are doing, you will get their support as well!!
> Justine Karmozyn
> Young Adult Librarian
> Milford Town Library
> Milford, Massachusetts
> jkarmozy@cwmarsmail.cwmars.org
> (508) 473-2145
>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:57:33 1998
From: Elaine Morgan <elainem@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us>
Subject: Re: Nancy Drew and Agatha Christie
It is interesting how so many of you talk about going from Nancy Drew to
Agatha Christie. I went from Nancy Drew to YA fiction, but then being
sick for a year meant that others chose my books. Someone, friendly
librarian--I don't remember now, recommended Agatha. The first one I read
I was sure I had figured out "who done it." Then it was revealed that
the
murderer was a character that had been "killed" earlier in the book. I
was insulted. I felt that Agatha did not play fair as a writer of
mysterys. for me the fun is seeing if I can solve the mystery too. So I
never read another Agatha Christie! I do love the PBS series from her
books and the movies too. But there are just too many new books to go
back and actually read them. Maybe when I retire, I'll try again. elm
Elaine Lesh Morgan, Youth Librarian Rockwood Branch Library
Multnomah County Library 17917 S.E. Stark St.
(503) 248-5396 fax (503)248-5178 Portland, OR 97233
elainem@nethost.multnomah.or.lib.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:57:56 1998
From: cedwards@mpls.lib.mn.us
Subject: Re: Renaissance Fiction for YA's
In my "Reference Guide to Historical Fiction for Children and Young
Adults" there is a index by time period that gives a list of a number
of titles. The one I think of that was recent is "The Second Mrs.
Giaconda" by E.L. Konigsburg. One of my old tricks for finding titles
that eludd me otherwise is to get a list like is in the above
book (which has an admittedly old copyright of 1987) and then check
the titles listed and the subject headings listed for each title. It
usually gives me a broad range of titles old and new, and stimulates
the creative juices. Also in the " What Do Young Adults Read Next"
volume by Pam Spencer put out by Gale, there is a time period index
that is useful, and that is a little newer.. 1994. Hope this helps.
Carol Edwards
Minneapolis Public Library
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:58:01 1998
From: Jill Patterson <jpatterson@ci.glendora.ca.us>
ubject: Re: Quotes
Jorge Luis Borges: "I have always imagined that paradise will be a kind of
library."
>
>
*** NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS ***
Jill Patterson jpatterson@ci.glendora.ca.us
Glendora Public Library 140 S. Glendora Ave. Glendora, CA 91741
Tel: 626/852-4896 FAX: 626/852-4899
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:58:40 1998
From: "Lynn S. Cockett" <cockett@scils.rutgers.edu>
Subject: Re: Parents Attending Teen Programs (Pubyac #286)
Dear All,
Having just received Ed Sullivan's response to the "parents attending YA
programs" thread, I thought I would add my own thoughts, for what they're
worth. It seems a useful discussion. In fact, a similar one was the topic of
quite a lengthy consideration in the youth services course that I teach at
Rutgers.
> Having parents present will only make teens feel uncomfortable. Their
> programs should be opportunities for them to get away from their
> parents, relax and be themselves, and interact with one another
> without having to worry about being watched by a parent.
Seems to me that a statement like this plays into our notions of teens, and our
beliefs about them that are not completely reality-based. We all see teens as
monolithically wishing to be divested of their parents. We think that they
can't be "real" when adults are around. Frankly, we, as librarians are
as
"adult" as their parents, so, while we don't have the authority that
parents
do, if we view teens as wishing to be away from authority, they're not going to
behave "real" in our presence any more than I think they would in
their
parents'.
> I would do all I could to discourage parents from attending teen programs.
Also, I would say that if a parent wants to be there, yes, it will change the
dynamic of the program. However, we are an educative institution, and in so
being, doesn't the presence of a parent with some interest in his/her child,
and some interest in their hobbies give us a great opportunity to promote
understanding and interaction between generations?
> don't think it would be out of line at all to tell parents who want to
> come that program is for teens only. You are the librarian so you set
> the rules.
True, but I think we have to examine our rules for the implicit assumptios
about persons that lie within them.
> I'm also not keen on having parents in children's programs. I find
> they usually end up just spoiling things for their kid. They may be
> well meaning, but they interfere, particularly in craft programs.
> They'll tell kids they're doing things wrong or just do everything for
> them.
This has been my experience as well, and it's a really difficult problem. I've
always wanted to say "just let the kid make a purple bear if she wants to,
damnit!" I do see this as an educative moment, as well. It's clearly not
appropriate to tell a parent s/he is interacting "badly" with their
child, but
to make a point of praising what you see as "good" parent-child
interaction
might somehow have some impact.
Thanks for your time.
Lynn Cockett
Rutgers University
cockett@scils.rutgers.edu
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:59:30 1998
From: Karen Wendt <bewendt@facstaff.wisc.edu>
ubject: Re: bags
Our Friends of the Library group purchases the heavy plastic bags with the
handles and sells them for 50 cents. They also bought heavy canvas bags with the
library name and logo and sell them for $10. Both sell. We also ask staff to
bring in used shopping bags, patrons often bring them in also. Some patrons use
laundry type baskets. Karen
At 02:52 PM 4/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Our library has recently stopped giving out the heavy, plastic library
>bags>(with handles) because of the expense.
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Karen M. Wendt, Madison, WI
bewendt@facstaff.wisc.edu
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www.mufa.org> Madison Ultimate Frisbee Association
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 20:59:52 1998
From: Carol Reid - Bloomington Public Library
<creid@darkstar.rsa.lib.il.us>
Subject: Re: summer reading programs
I am booking a movie ("Austin Powers",baby!), asking the local hobby
shop
owner to host a Magic:the Gathering tournament, looking into a jewelry
making workshop with a local enthusiast and hoping for a roller blading or
skateboard demo at the new skate area. But please! Give me more ideas!
I have also had an after hours scavenger hunt, paperback exchanges and
a small beach party at the local park. All moderately successful.
Carol Reid
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Carrie Eldridge wrote:
> I have invited the local model train 'hobbyist' to so a program at the
> library. Anyone out there done the same.
>
> Any suggestions? Crafts? etc.?
>
> Carrie Eldridge
> San Juan Island Library District
> 360-378-2798
> celdridge@sanjuan.lib.wa.us
> Carrie Eldridge
> San Juan Island Library District
> Friday Harbor, WA 98250
> celdridge@sanjuan.lib.wa.us
>
>
>
Carol Reid "My land is bare of chattering folk;
Young Adult Librarian The clouds are low along the ridges,
Bloomington Public Library And sweet's the air with curly smoke
Bloomington IL From all my burning bridges."
creid@darkstar.rsa.lib.il.us -- Dorothy Parker
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Thu Apr 30 21:00:09 1998
From: "Pam Gravenor" <pdgravenor@nelsonlib.org.nz>
Subject: Re: Library quotes
<"Mary Kay is one of the secret masters of the world: a librarian.
They>
<control information. Don't ever piss one off." >
< The Callahan Touch >
< Spider Robinson" >
Sorry, but not being American, I don't understand this reference to Mary Kay.
Who is/was she? Would someone please explain. (I thought Mary Kay was a brand of
cosmetics, but I only picked that up from watching "Fried
Green Tomatoes".) Or is this a quote from a novel, and she is a character?
I'd be grateful for some enlightenment.
Thanks.
Pam Gravenor
Children's and Young Adult's Librarian
Nelson Public Library
New Zealand
03 546 0404 fax 03 546 0402
pdgravenor@nelsonlib.org.nz
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