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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Sat May 9 11:38:31 1998
From: Catherine Williams <wcatheri@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
ubject: Re: new name for children's dept.
We call ours "The Center for Discovery"
Cathy Williams
wcatheri@freenet.columbus.oh.us
Center for Discovery, Main, Columbus Metropolitan Library, OH
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Sat May 9 11:38:30 1998
From: Karen Wendt <bewendt@facstaff.wisc.edu>
ubject: Re: pubyac V1 #293
Do many of you have your "unattended children" policies on your web
pages? Thanks, Karen
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Karen M. Wendt, Madison, WI
bewendt@facstaff.wisc.edu
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<smaller>www.scls.lib.wi.us/monona> Monona Public Library
www.mufa.org> Madison Ultimate Frisbee Association
www.aec-online.net/discgolf/> DiscOver Wisconsin</smaller>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Sat May 9 11:38:32 1998
From: Teri Titus <titust@pls.lib.ca.us>
Subject: re: Girl Molested after library chat
Since this was originally posted by Filtering Facts, is the implication
that a filter would have prevented this situation? If so, what would the
filter be filtering... all chat sites? all lesbian sites? all lesbian
chat sites? Enquiring minds should want to know...
(hopefully, not the end of a discussion...)
)
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Teri Titus, Belmont Branch Library, SMCo
1110 Alameda, Belmont, CA 94002
titust@pls.lib.ca.us
phone: 650-591-8365
fax: 650-591-1195
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On Tue, 5 May 1998, Filtering Facts/David Burt wrote:
> >
> >On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Filtering Facts wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> This just happened in Ft. Smith, AK. A girl, using a library
computer, was
> >> contacted by a child molester who met her *at the library*, took
her to a
> >> hotel and raped her.
> >> Southwest Times Record, 4/17/98
> >> http://www.swtimes.com/site/1998/april/17/news/internet.html
> >
> >(snip)
> >
> >
> >I find it interesting to note that David Burt's original post to PUBLIB
> >only quoted the newspaper article when it disparaged public libraries.
He
> >conveniently edited out the portion (to follow) which discussed the
> >library's Internet policies.
>
> I only posted the first few lines of the story because that has become the
> standard practice on library-related lists. Because of copyright issues,
> many lists, including PUBLIB, won't post the full text of an article unless
> a "re-printed with permission" statement is included. I gave the
URL so
> that readers could follow "the rest of the story" if they wanted
to.
>
> >
> >Also, please note Mr. Burt's misuse of the word "raped" where
he should
> >have said "sexually abused." While Merriam Webster's
Collegiate Dictionary,
> >10th ed., *does* include a definition of rape to be "other than by
a man
> >with a woman," this is not generally the accepted legal
definition. The
> >act in question was consensual, albeit involving a minor. Mr. Burt
chooses
> >to use the more eye-catching buzz-word.
>
> Please note that "rape" is a word often used to describe any sex
between
> adults and minors. In fact, in many states, that's exactly what it's called
> by law.
>
> BTW, for those of you who think I'm just being sensational reporting this,
> please note that Library Journal also reported this at www.ljdigital.com
>
>
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> David Burt, President, Filtering Facts
> Website: http://www.filteringfacts.org
> E-Mail: David_Burt@filteringfacts.org
> Phone/Fax: 503 635-7048
>
>
>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Sat May 9 11:38:59 1998
From: David Serchay <a013213t@bc.seflin.org>
ubject: Re: Titanic Internet Scavenger Hunt
Speaking of Titanic Sites, I highly recomend the Encyclopedia Titanica
(Don't have the URL, check via yahoo). It has information on the ship and
on a large numbers of the passengers and cre including the "real" J.
Dawson.
Dave
David Serchay
a013213t@bc.seflin.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Sat May 9 11:42:05 1998
From: Lyn Persson <lpersson@nslsilus.org>
ubject: storytimes on cable
Hello --
Does anyone show your library storytimes on local cable?
My assumption has always been that it's time consuming and difficult to
get permission to read any copyrighted material. I've also assumed that,
given the slick and snazzy nature of children's television, that a
library-produced program looks amateurish (at best) by comparison.
If anyone has any experience, either positive or negative, I'd be
very grateful if you'd send me a message. In our re-modeling, we're
considering wiring our youth program room for cable, and I'd like to have
something besides my own assumptions to go on.
Thanks -- Lyn Persson, Wilmette (IL) Public Library
lpersson@nslsilus.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Sat May 9 11:43:08 1998
From: Holland <hollandd@sls.lib.il.us>
Subject: Re: An interesting paragraph
Let me say something on the side of the teachers: Teachers are not
taught how to break up fights when they take education courses; instead,
they are taught that kids will behave if educational activities are
intresting enough. (We all know there is something wrong with that
statement, but there is a gain of truth in it.) Also, teachers are
taught that they are to "keep their hands off of kids." How do you
break
up a fight without putting your hands on kids? Of course, if you don't
break up a fight you are also wrong. You are also not to put kids
outside of schools, in school halls (or outside of libraries). It's
still probematic if a parent is watching them. Parents are not certified
teachers and are usually quite lenient with kids as they don't want to be
the bad guy either. It's hard for teachers to know how to prepare kids
for library visits if they don't know exactly what's going to happen. If
I think a school visit looks like trouble, I meet them at the door and
don't let them in until they are quiet and listen to my directions before
I let them in the door. The teachers will usally reapeat my directions
to let the kids know that we are all in agreement as to how they should
behave. Still, sometimes theings happen.
Dorothy
Elmwood Park Public Library
Youth Services
hollandd@sls.lib.il.us
On Thu, 7 May 1998, PIKLY wrote:
> Regarding Dr. Ruth Gordon's note on the news story of a librarian breaking
up
> a fight at a school:
> It is my experience that some teachers are not very sensitive about
fighting,
> perhaps because they are so used to their pupils and just see it as semi-
> sibling rivalry. During a class visit last fall, I stopped the tour of the
> library TWICE because boys were shoving girls out of their way. The teacher
> didn't think it was a big deal, but I sent the boys with one of the parents
to
> wait outside until the rest of us were finished. <snip>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Sat May 9 11:44:21 1998
From: Tia <cbaird@rain.org>
Subject: Re: bags
> At our library in Omaha, the Friends of the Library sells plastic library
> bags <snip>
> >Our library has recently stopped giving out the heavy, plastic library
> >bags <snip>
I was surprised to see that in all the discussion among children's
librarians about plastic bags, no one has mentioned the potential hazard
plastic bags pose to young children. We have ceased to give them as
rewards or promotional items because some mothers were concerned. Tia
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Sat May 9 11:44:31 1998
From: Kim Kietzman <kkietzma@libby.rbls.lib.il.us>
Subject: Re: CDROM circ
We started circulating CDROMS last fall. We have a collection of around
125 discs, 12 of which are loaded for six weeks at a time on our local
multimedias. The other circulate like books - 3 weeks, no charge. We are
trying to raise the overdue fine from $.10 per day to $1.00 per day.
We've only had one that had trouble making it back - but after three phone
calls, it was returned. We have had some trouble with people forgetting to
take the discs out of their computer before returning the case, but they
always come back the day after we call. We have also had one come back
without the little booklet. I suggest making copies of all your booklets,
enclosed material, etc., to keep a master on hand just in case. I would
also consider where and how you are going to store the "kits". We
bought
special vinyl bags with velcro closures. I guess just make sure the circ
staff are diligent in catching them as they come and checking the contents
before reshelving. I also wish we had implemented some sort of cleaning
procedure before we did this - it's harder to change habits 7 months
later. The discs get really gummy - but are very hard to really ruin
without trying. I also tend to buy discs that aren't in the $50+ range to
keep replacement costs a little more consistent with hard cover books and
movies.
Hope this helps. Please contact me if you need more info. Also wanted you
to know that they have been immensely popular with our patrons.
Kim Kietzman
Assistant Children's Librarian
Rock Island Public Library
401 19th Street
Rock Island, IL 61201
(309)788-7627
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Sat May 9 11:45:15 1998
From: Becky Smith <bsmith@inter.state.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: E mail and Chat Rooms
Rosie Beck wrote:
>Loosely quoting the author, Virginia A. Walter, it is noted that "boys
>clamor to get at the machines; girls need to be enticed... games..are the
>biggest attraction for boys ( the fast response and manic action)...while
>access to e- mail and other communication software enables girls to do what
>they like best.
This is absolutely true - but (you knew there was a "but" coming,
didn't you?) I think it's important to define your library's purpose
in providing internet access in the first place. Our library director
and board first proposed offering library access to the internet as a
means for our patrons to tap into the vast array of information
available
on the net. They saw it as an extension of our library's collection
and resources. The library computers were never intended to be used for
playing games. There are many other places kids (and adults) can play
computer games - they don't have to do it at the library. Just because
we *can* offer something doesn't mean we *have* to.
Likewise, the library computers weren't intended to be used as a
means of communication. Sure, it's convenient to be able to talk to
your Aunt Bessie in Ohio (or a complete stranger on the other side of
the country or the world) without having to pay phone bills, but is
this something the library needs to offer?
Our library director and the board decided it wasn't. They passed a
policy prohibiting the use of library computers for games or "chat."
Other libraries do offer access to these internet functions. We
don't. It's that simple. Most of our patrons using the Internet
come in with the purpose of doing research ("looking up stuff"),
not playing or "talking", and don't seem to have a problem with
this policy. (A few have complained, but no one's gotten too upset).
Each library needs to define its purpose in offering internet
access, and then determine policy based on that purpose. If
you want to offer access to everything the internet has available,
do so (and be prepared to deal with all the problems that will
cause). If you decide to offer access in a more limited form,
as we did, it still works out well - people have access to the
information, which is *our* purpose.
--
Becky Smith
Children's/YA Librarian
Logan (UT) Library
bsmith@inter.state.lib.ut.us
http://www.logan.lib.ut.us
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"We learn from history that we do not learn anything from history."
-Mark Twain-
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Sat May 9 11:45:34 1998
From: Catherine Chesher <cchesh@tc3net.com>
Subject: Animal encyclopedias: summary
Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for animal encyclopedia
suggestions. There were 4 or 5 sets frequently recommended published by Grolier
or Marshall Cavendish.
Published by Marshall Cavendish:
_Wildlife of the World_ 13 vol. c. 1994 3rd/4th grade
$299.95 1-85435-592-9
_International Wildlife Encyclopedia 25 vol. c. 1990 or 199l
$499.95 0-86307-734-X
higher rdg. level than above. According to sales rep., publisher plans on coming
out with a new edition in 2000.
_Endangered Wildlife of the World 11 vol. c. 1993
$429.95 1-85435-489-2
Published by Grolier:
_Amazing Animals of the World_ 24 vol. c. 1994
$299 1-7172-7396-2
_Grolier Enclyclopedia of Endangered Species 10 vol. c.1992
$299 0-7172-7385-7 grades 3 & up
It seems as if you can't lose with any of the above sets, depending on budget,
needs, etc. I recommend getting catalogs from either pub. for more information.
Also, "Marshall Cavendish is the sole source for its reference books."
This from their catalog.
Marshall Cavendish TX# 1-800-821-9881. Sorry, don't have Grolier's handy.
Hope this helps everyone who wanted the info. I'm waiting to see how much $$ I'm
getting before I decide which to buy.
Cathy Chesher
Adrian PUblic LIbrary
Adrian, Michigan
cchesh@tc3net.com
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