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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 19:08:49 1998
From: JODIR@ALCON.ALC.ORG
Subject: Hawaiian storytime
Hello Everyone
At the end of next month we will be hosting a Luau for our Family Storytime.
If anyone has done this before or has any great stories, fingerplays, or
ideas I would love to hear them. We usually don't do crafts because of
the large turnout but we will be doing two puppet skits and Hula dancing for
sure. But any ideas are welcome.
Thanks in advance
Jodi Rocco
Children's Library Asst.
Abilene Public Library
Abilene TX 79606
jodi.rocco@alcon.alc.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 19:08:47 1998
From: Marian & Paul Drabkin <arcanis@sirius.com>
ubject: Re: summer reading
At 7:55 AM -0400 6/11/98, Bonita Kale wrote:
>As for kids who already read a lot not joining, what's wrong with that? If
>they want to, I don't see anything wrong with it, but if they don't want
>to--that seems fine, too. I've never quite understood the point of summer
>reading programs anyway, maybe because I didn't go to library school, but
>the parents seem to like them, and the kids like them, and they keep
>librarians off the streets. So I guess they're not bad.
Bonita, to me, the main point of summer reading programs is to keep those
children who might not read otherwise coming to the library to at least
read _something_ over the summer. There are many children who have no
books in their homes, and they are the ones who most need the incentives,
encouragement, ballyhoo and prizes that go along with SRPs, otherwise many
lose their hard-won reading skills during the summer vacation. Having
never been in an SRP as a child, I was dubious as to their value until I
saw for myself how some children's reading skills really soared over the
summer, some learned to enjoy reading, some learned that it was actually
possible to find something to read that was fun.
-- Marian Drabkin
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 19:08:46 1998
From: bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale)
Subject: access vs. providing
I do see a difference here, similar to what one person mentioned about the
phone company. To take that a step further, our library has phones; are we
providing phone sex? Are we providing access to phone sex? Are we
providing call-and-buy-stuff services? That's even worse than phone sex,
in my opinion. And worse yet, psychic services! Argh. But I don't feel
responsible if children get this harmful stuff over the phone.
Mind, I'm not at -all- sure it's a good idea for libraries to have internet
access. We have it, and I think it's more trouble than it's worth. But if
they do, I don't think filtering is the way to go.
(Please Lord, make it that this is all moot in ten years' time. If everyone
gets computers, having them at the library will be as useless as having tv
sets there.)
Bonita
--
Bonita Kale
bf455@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 19:08:46 1998
From: Caes <caes@pacificrim.net>
ubject: Re: Parental Confusion About Summer Reading Programs
Our 1998 flyers read "Travel the Reading Highway. Summer Reading starts
June 8 at Whatcom County Libraries." Everyone seems to understand. I
haven't heard anyone on staff say otherwise, and they usually let me know
immediately if something's wrong. Maybe it's best to stay away from
"club"
or "program" altogether.
Catherine Sarette
Youth Services Coordinator
Whatcom County Library System
Whatcom County, Washington
caes@pacificrim.net
At 02:26 PM 6/11/98 -0400, you wrote:
>We word our flyer as an independent reading program. The IRP is one
>paragraph on a flyer which describes all our story times and special
>programs. We too experience confusion among the parents. They think that
>the independent reading program is limited to a certain number of
>participants; it is not. They want to know how long it will take to sign
>up. Basically, they have a hard time grasping that the program is meant to
>be fun, no pressure, go at your own pace and sign up whenever you want.
>
>
>Claudia Livolsi
>Children's Librarian
>Monroe Public Library
>Monroe, CT
>clivolsi@biblio.org
>
>
>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 19:08:47 1998
From: torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us (Torrie Hodgson Children's Librarian)
ubject: Re: syllogism
Mr. David Burt wrote:
>It should also be noted that at the library Kristen works at, the King
>County Public Library, a librarian of 10 years, Heidi Bolton, resigned
>recently because she was forced to provide children with pornography. The
>turning point for Heidi was when a child *called her and asked her if he
>could obtain pornography at the library*. One can only speculate on what
>Kristen's reaction to the departure of her ideologically impure colleague
>was, but I bet Kristen didn't shed any tears.
I have encountered this filtering debate all over the many children's and
technology listservs to which I belong for a couple years now. It seems to
start out as a helpful discussion where people in different libraries
determine how other people in the field are coping with the wonders and
miseries of Internet/WWW access. Soon it becomes a forum for mudslinging
that brings insults and taunts aimed at particular peoples' intelligence and
moral character. *sigh* Please can we leave the name-calling out of this?
I know there are people on both far wings that are desperate to convert
everyone wholesale to their extreme viewpoint, but the more petty the
argument the more they defeat their own purpose of conversion.
Please give real life examples of problems or successes. Please leave real
people's names, religions, intelligence, morals, and other such unimportant
details out of this discussion. I was tempted to begin exploring the
semantic difference between "providing access" and
"providing," but now I'll
keep my opinions to myself to avoid being publicly flamed. Not that I'm
afraid of being burned, I'm just tired of wasting bandwidth on personal
vendettas.
Flame away! But please flame to my personal email and don't clutter up the
list. Thank you.
Torrie Hodgson 8)
Torrie Hodgson, Amazon librarian from the avocado jungle!
Burlington Public Library
900 East Fairhaven Ave
Burlington, WA 98233
Phone (360) 755-0760 Fax (360) 755-0717
torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 19:09:05 1998
From: Becky Tatar <bltata@aurora.lib.il.us>
ubject: Re: summer reading
At 07:55 AM 6/11/98 -0400, you wrote:
>We call it a Summer Reading Program, but sometimes we slip and call it a
>club by mistake!
>As for kids who already read a lot not joining, what's wrong with that? If
>they want to, I don't see anything wrong with it, but if they don't want
>to--that seems fine, too. I've never quite understood the point of summer
>reading programs anyway, maybe because I didn't go to library school, but
>the parents seem to like them, and the kids like them, and they keep
>librarians off the streets. So I guess they're not bad.
Bonita,
I always feel like a fraud when I go to the schools in May to help promote
our Summer Reading Club. I never joined when I was younger, because at that
time, the program required book reports for kids in grades 4 - 6. Children
in grades 1- 3 could draw pictures. I figured, summer was not school time,
book reports were school assignments, and there was no way I was going to do
a book report for 10 books during the summer and just get a silly
certificate out of it. Of course, I never had to be encouraged to read
during the summer, either. If anything, my mom was always telling me to get
my nose out the book and go outside and play! We only stopped requiring
book reports/reviews last year, when we switched to asking the readers to
keep track of their time.
Also, and I may get blasted for this, I think summer reading programs are
less about promoting reading so much as they are about running a program
that will get a large amount of people into the library on a regular basis.
I know, I'm cynical, what can I say.
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Becky Tatar
Unit Head, Periodicals/Audio-Visual
Aurora Public Library
1 E. Benton Street
Aurora, IL 60505
Phone: 630/264-4100, x4116
FAX: 630/896-3209
e-mail: bltata@aurora.lib.il.us
Opinions are my own.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 19:08:52 1998
From: NineTiger@aol.com
Subject: Re: discussion group
In a message dated 98-06-11 19:45:03 EDT, you write:
<< My first challenge
is when to schedule this. If you have had any experience with this would
you let me know? >>
Do not try Sat or Sun. It does not work on those days.
MG Petrino-SChaad
ninetiger@aol.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 19:08:53 1998
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: syllogism
On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Filtering Facts wrote:
> Kristen Edwards wrote:
> >It's not your fault Mr. Burt can't construct a simple syllogism.
Ahem. It's possible I've spelled my name wrong at some point, so perhaps
it's my fault. The first name is actually *Kirsten*
> So are we not providing books, since
> users choose what books to look at, but only "providing access
to" books?
> Or are books forced on people?
>
Nope. They aren't. Librarians argue that "selection" isn't the same as
"censorship" because they try to be open-minded, not favoring any
particular agenda or mores when they spend their limited collection
budget. Hence, in the strictest sense of the word ("pornography" =
whatever anyone defines as such) the library provides pornographic books.
Directly. Little Jimmy (see example below) CAN find JOY OF SEX on the
library shelves. Little Priya can find GASP! Women with bare arms on the
cover of TEEN magazine (and worse! Shameless pictures of girls her age in
*BATHING SUITS*! Priya's parents are from Iran....)
But before I digress into the argument that, because we cannot seem to
agree as a nation or a community about what constitutes pornography and
are thus forced to tolerate a wide variety of materials, I'll actually
answer your question. Aside from the fact that (see above) librarians
via their library collections *ARE* providing pornography, the Internet
simply isn't a library collection. The computers, as I've said before,
are a tool to be used to connect people. (So are books, BTW, they just
don't do it as directly). Who connects with whom (or what) is ENTIRELY up
to the person doing the connecting.
But that's not really your concern, is it? You'd get further with me if
you picked a "harmful to minors" topic besides pornography (see above
argument, again) which could actually be defended by logic, rather than
appeals to my emotions.
> Better still, lets look at this in practical terms. A mother, Mrs. Jones
> walks up to you and says "You are providing my son with
pornography!" You
> walk over and see that little Jimmy is looking at www.hardcoresex.com. You
> turn and explain to the mother, "You see Mrs. Jones, we don't
*provide* your
> son with pornography, we provide your son with *access to pornography*.
> There's a big difference. You have to understand that. Now, don't you feel
> better now."
"Mrs. Jones, I'm terribly sorry your little boy (16? 13? 5?) is looking at
those pictures. Have you spoken with him? We do have some unpleasant
adults who come into the library and use the machines try to shock other
people by leaving up equally unpleasant images on the screen...." and so
on trying to allow Mrs. Jones to save face and to blow off steam as she
realizes her little darling is actually looking around for hard core porn.
When she calms down, I'll show her how to keep her kid "safe" by
instructing him to stay within the library sponsored sites (The
teen-pages do contain information about safe-sex, I'll warn her) for
children. "You'll want to come in with him at first to be sure that he
knows what he's doing and that he'll follow your rules."
Because, Mr. Burt, while I might get burned for supporting individual
liberty, arguing "practical" examples gets you nowhere. Do I really
want
to make decisions about policy, about right and wrong, out of fear? The
logic of cowardice is no goal to aspire to.
> It should also be noted that at the library Kristen works at, the King
> County Public Library, a librarian of 10 years, Heidi Bolton, resigned
> recently because she was forced to provide children with pornography. The
> turning point for Heidi was when a child *called her and asked her if he
> could obtain pornography at the library*. One can only speculate on what
> Kristen's reaction to the departure of her ideologically impure colleague
> was, but I bet Kristen didn't shed any tears.
>
Ahem. Heidi who? I don't usu. include my full sig. file (not wanting to
tar my wonderful libraries with the brush of my rampageous opinions) but
KCLS is a *huge* system. Second largest circ. in the entire U.S.
Forty-four branches and subsidiaries and support staff. BUT, if Heidi
Bolton has moral objections to permitting *anyone* to view pornography (as
she defines it, which, unfortunately, like beauty, is a very fuzzy)
term) and realized that public libraries, staunch defenders of the
Constitution that they are, DO PERMIT and even FACILITATE their users
choices in finding and looking at/reading pornographic texts, well!
I salute her. She realized that her ethics were in direct conflict with
the ethics of her chosen profession, and she made a reasonable choice and
left. She could also have chosen to work to change those ethics or to
reexamine and change her own, of course.
All the best,
Kirsten Edwards E-mail to kirstedw@kcls.org
Young Adult Librarian Voice: 425-747-3350 (Lake Hills)
Lake Hills, Duvall and Fax: 206-296-5063 (Lake Hills)
Skykomish Libraries
KING COUNTY LIBRARY SYSTEM SEE the amazing future post! When
15228 Lake Hills Boulevard I have some time to spare that I'm
Bellevue, WA 98007 not stealing from sleep and argue
that libraries SHOULD have
filters!
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 19:08:46 1998
From: Phalbe Henriksen <phenriksen@earthlink.net>
ubject: Quitting a job
Too bad the woman quit her job. She had the opportunity to turn that
question into a very positive use of the internet - finding stuff far more
interesting and appropriate than porno. She gave up on a child.
I was once told by a patron that she and her husband were very glad we had
put in videocassettes, cause they had decided not to hire anyone to care
for their four children for the summer, instead were just going to supply
them with 8 hours of videocassettes a day. And now, they could even get
them free from the library rather than renting them from the video stores.
I didn't quit my job. The woman didn't get 8 hours of videocassettes a day.
Phalbe Henriksen
Director
Bradford County Public Library
>It should also be noted that at the library Kristen works at, the King
>County Public Library, a librarian of 10 years, Heidi Bolton, resigned
>recently because she was forced to provide children with pornography. The
>turning point for Heidi was when a child *called her and asked her if he
>could obtain pornography at the library*.
>David Burt President, Filtering Facts
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 19:08:47 1998
From: PIKLY@aol.com
Subject: Re: Summer Reading Programs
I hope I am not "beating a dead horse," but if it helps clear things
up:
Have you tried calling it the Summer Reading Game? For my library, that is by
far the most accurate term as the child plays the special game evey time he or
she brings in the reading log with another book read. Parents seem to
understand what is covered in a reading "game," although we do offer
special
"programs," like storytime and puppet shows, as well as special
tutoring and
reading instruction that one registers for like a class. Hope this helps.
Penny Peck
Pikly@aol.com
San Leandro Public, CA
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 19:08:51 1998
From: Ruth Shafer <shafer@fvrl.lib.wa.us>
Subject: Re: discussion group
Hi there,
Several years ago I had a book discussion group for teens..it turned out
to be all young (7-8 graders) mostly boys. To get the whole thing started
we advertised a planning meeting. I think the flyer said something
like..."Do you like to read? Do you like to talk? Let's TALK BOOKS...
first meeting to be held...date time.."
At the first meeting we had a great discussion about the format of the
whole thing and worked out a time that worked best for every one. We
ended up with a weekday at 4pm..once a month. The group was co-sponsored
by the Friends. The group would choose "next month's books" and I
would
purchase one copy for everyone to be picked up in a few days (or in some
cases I mailed the book to the teen). The group lasted about a year
before the kids lost interest and moved on to other things. I was never
able to rekindle the idea with another group of kids (although at the time
I didn't try really hard..due other projects which were taking my interest
and time.)
All in all it was a GREAT program. I created long lasting relationships
with several of the teens AND their parents.
Good luck,
Ruth Shafer
Young People's Librarian
Vanocuver, WA
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 19:54:36 1998
From: Smith <lsmith@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Electronic Bookshelf
See the May/June 1997 issue of Emergency Librarian, page 31, "Reading
Motivation" by Paula Yohe for an enthusiastic description of a positvie
experience with this program.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 19:55:02 1998
From: Susan LaFantasie <susanlaf@pcl1.pcl.lib.wa.us>
Subject: ya magazine for young men
I need a general magazine (not subject related) written for young adult
males. Any favorites out there? TIA
Susan LaFantasie, MLS
Pierce County Library System
susanlaf@pcl.lib.wa.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 20:54:31 1998
From: marietta@millinocket.lib.me.us
Subject: Re: Boosting Preschool Story Hour enrollment
> From: "Steven Cinami" <steven_cinami@email.msn.com>
> To: <PUBYAC@nysernet.org>
> Subject: Boosting Preschool Story Hour enrollment
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:42:07 -0400
> Reply-to: pubyac@nysernet.org
> Hi Everyone!
> Now that summer is here and our Summer Reading Program is about to begin,
we
> are planning for the fall. I would like to boost our enrollment for
> preschool Story Hours and Toddler Story Hours.
We advertise weekly in our local newspaper. Local radio
announcements would help also. Good luck! We have so
many attending our program that some bow outperiodicly
(my observation) to ease the congestion.
>
>
>
>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 21:11:25 1998
From: Julie Carlyle <jcarlyle@rbrl.lib.mo.us>
Subject: Just let it go.
Hi PUBYACer's!
I've been "listening" for sometime and I would like to comment on our
discussion of the filtering/non-filtering issue. This is an important
subject and one that a Librarian and ultimately their Library must make.
The syllogism argument is really no longer beneficial to me and seems to
be more of a dispute between David and Kirsten. I can appreciate heated
debates, but please lets turn our sights back to how each of us can post
helpful and informative information on this list. Which is really all
we can do. Just let it go.
Peace,
Julie
Julie Carlyle
River Bluffs Regional Library
jcarlyle@rbrl.lib.mo.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 21:54:27 1998
From: Julie Shatterly <julies@lyon.york.lib.sc.us>
Subject: Accelerated Reader list
Perhaps it's the "teacher" gene in me (both my parents were public
school
teachers for 30 years), but I like the idea of not labelling our AR books
because it makes the kids have to look them up on the computer and find
them on the shelves. Of course, a majority of the time I have to go with
them to do this, but I have found if I actually have them punch in the
titles with me and walk to the shelves with them --- some, not all but
some will improve their library skills. We have the same situation as
many public libraries, their are too many schools with too many different
lists to ever be able to accurately label the AR books.
Just an observation, I have found when I conduct a 6-8 year old book club
or a 9-11 year old
book club during the school year, the participants are very hesitant to
check out a book I suggest during the book club unless it's an AR book.
That can be disappointing.
Julie G. Shatterly
Children's Department Manager
York County Library
P.O. Box 10032
Rock Hill, SC 29731
PH: (803)324-7588
FAX: (803)328-9290
julies@lyon.york.lib.sc.us
Views represented are strictly personal and do not necessarily represent
those of the York County Library.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 22:15:21 1998
From: Ginny McKee <ginnyme@lori.state.ri.us>
Subject: Biographies
For a number of years, biographies have been catalogued with the subject
matter - so Michael Jordan is in with the books on basketball and Madona
with music and the list goes on.
I am just curious - how many find that children locate the biographies
easily when they must search the collection? Does that young reader who
in the past would go right to the biography section and start with the
A's and end with the Z's still find all the biographies they want to
fill their curosity?
When I first started out in libraries in the 60's - your biographies were
classified as "B" for biography or as a 92 and collected biograhpies
were
in the 920's. At one of our locations [the Providence Public Library has
one central library and 9 branches], we have pulled the biographies into
a separate section but keeping them in Dewey order. I want to abondoned
the "great minds" who think biographies belong with the subject matter
and go back to "B" for biography.
Any thoughts? Please send them direct to me - ginnyme@lori.state.ri.us
and I if there is interest I will post my findings.
Thanks.
Virginia McKee
Youth Services Coordinator
Providence Public Library
225 Washington Street
Providence, RI 02903 Phone: 401-455-8070 FAX: 401-455-8080
e-mail: ginnyme@lori.state.ri.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 22:16:19 1998
From: "Mary K. Rice" <mrice@tln.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Syllogisms and netiquette
Please enough of the syllogisms! I'm guessing the silent majority (of
which I guess I'm no longer a member) of pubyac subscribers don't care
about what constitutes a syllogism.
Also, like Stephanie Loney, I agree that many responses should be sent to
the original posters. The past rudeness (and yes, I do think it was rude)
of Mary K. Chelton and Chuck Schact (sorry if I spelled the last name
wrong) are inappropriate. If you think someone has shortcomings, don't
let everyone else on pubyac know about it. Ignore the postings or respond
personally. Before anyone flames me for pointing out the rudeness of
fellow subscribers on pubyac rather than responding directly to them,
please remember that these "shortcomings" have already been brought up
by
others. I'm certainly not the first to point it out. And I'm afraid I
won't be the last.
Mary Rice | Phone: (248) 674-4831 Ext. 104
Children's Librarian | Fax: (248) 674-1910
Waterford Township Public Library | E-Mail:mrice@tln.lib.mi.us
5168 Civic Center Dr.
Waterford, MI 48329
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jun 12 22:49:01 1998
From: Carolyn Sprague <carolyn@askeric.org>
Subject: Research on Sunday Hours
Hello,
I am conducting research related to Sunday hours in public libraries. I
am interested in hearing from people at public libraries that are open on
Sundays or have conducted research on this topic.
I will be designing a community mail survey and conducting phone
interviews with directors of public libraries. I am especially interested
in libraries that serve a greater metropolitan population of approximately
650,000 and are comprised of branches and member libraries, some of which
already offer Sunday hours.
I am in the process of conducting a literature review (of both the
professional and popular literature) and will begin formulating possible
questionnaire and interview questions in the next couple of days. I am
new to public libraries (my background is primarily academic and special
libraries) and have never done this type of research before, so any
information will be greatly appreciated.
Some of the questions/issues that I am contemplating include:
1. Staffing concerns and possible use of volunteers
2. Will the community use the library on Sundays?
3. Are libraries open all day on Sundays or just mornings or afternoons?
4. If library staff are members of a union, what are the issues and how
have they been addressed?
5. How long have Sundays hours been offered?
6. Why do libraries decide to offer Sunday hours?
7. How well are Sunday hours working?
8. How has this type of research has been conducted by other libraries.
9. How can a survey be used as a marketing tool?
10. What search terms that have been especially fruitful in past
online searches?
11. What level of service should be available on Sundays?
Thank you in advance for any feedback or resources that you can provide,
Carolyn
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Syracuse University, Syracuse, New York
E-mail: askeric@askeric.org
URL: http://www.askeric.org
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