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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Sat Jun 20 00:06:32 1998
From: Jennifer Pepper <Jennifer.Pepper@state.me.us>
Subject: Stumper Answers
Thanks to all who responded to my stumpers. The book about the boy
who wins a free butler is "Hawkins" by Barbara Wallace, and the
storyline with the boy who digs up nightcrawlers to earn money for a
new football turns out to be Chapter 3 in "Henry Huggins" by Beverly
Cleary (I don't know how I missed that one, but I did). You guys are
great!
And now, I would like to add my support to the comments put forth by
Mr. Burt on moderation. I see no reason whatsoever why we should not
expect hate mail (and the vicious personal attacks between Richard
Moore and Jim Casey most certainly DO constitute hate mail) to be
refused for publication by our pubyac moderator. There is a great and
clear difference between disagreement over issues and nasty,
irrelevant assaults upon one another's personal life and character.
As Mr. Burt said, it is only common sense for there to be guidelines
about what a list intended for professional discussion may be used
for. Let's stop screaming "censorship" in the face of common sense -
if people want to exchange character assasinations in their personal
e-mail, let them do it. But why must the rest of us be subjected to
it on a list which is clearly intended for discussion of professional,
not personal, issues?
-Jennifer Pepper
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Sat Jun 20 00:41:58 1998
From: Mary K Chelton <mchelton@carrollsweb.com>
ubject: FYI from a YA class student
>Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:37:45 -0700
>To: mchelton@carrollsweb.com
>From: stfamily@itsnet.com (Lori Stevens)
>Subject: 832 posting
>>I did a video list for YA's focusing on decision making, self-awareness,
>examination of values and critical thinking. All of the films I chose had
>teens for the main characters and the story was told from the teen point of
>view. After compiling my list I ran it across a "teen board of
review" for
>comments and suggestions. I learned several things from compiling this list.
>>
>>First there are very FEW if any at ALL YA viewers' advisory lists for
>teens. There were none in our library, and I didn't find hardly anything on
>the net, that is nothing targeted specifically for YAs. (Sounds like
>someone should write a book or something)
>>
>>Second I learned that what adults considered were great movies for teens
>and what teens liked were worlds apart. My teen review panel looked at a
>list of 60 films and scratched 20 of them because "they were
stupid."
>>
>>Third, there is a big difference between a 13 year old and an 18 year
old
>and what they consider entertaining and thought provoking. Also a 17 yr old
>isn't going to be caught dead watching the same thing as his/her younger
>siblings. So I divided my list into 2 sections: films for teens and films
>for older teens. The films on the "older" list went a little
deeper.
>>
>>I am attaching my list w/o the cover if you would like to see it. It is
in
>Corel7.
>>
>>
>Lori Stevens
>lastevens@ci.orem.ut.us (work)
>stfamily @itsnet.com (home)
>
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Mary K. Chelton, PhD
new address as of 9/1/98: GSLIS, Queens College, City University of New
York, 254 Rosenthal Library, Flushing, NY 11367. Phone: (718) 997-3790.
(also please note new current email address in header)
currently at 2025 Prairie Lane, Emporia, KS 66801. Phone: (316) 342-9277.
"How well a student will do in school and eventually in our society is in
direct proportion to the quality interaction that student has with adults"
J. Cummins and S. Krashen, 1997
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Sat Jun 20 00:51:19 1998
From: torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us (Torrie Hodgson Children's Librarian)
ubject: Re: Formal training for Children's librarians
At the time I was pursuing my MLS, it was hard to sit through all
the theory that seemed unrelated to real life experience. (I had quite a
bit of that through high school and college working in public, academic, and
special libraries) As I recall, several of the core classes were quite
deadly. However, all that annoying theory has made me more able to
understand the big picture of library services. I can now make the leap
beyond, "this is best because it works best at my branch," or
"this way of
thinking is right because it has worked well for me." I have a better
understanding of the broad scope of libraries. (Nobody was more surprised
than I to find this out. I went into library school already "knowing"
everything! *big laugh*)
Also, I did have some very practical children's courses. I took
nearly every one offered by the University of Washington GSLIS, and Dr.
Carol Doll is an excellent professor who really remembers what it is like
slogging it out in the trenches. (She is moving to Wayne State) One course
was "Children's services in the public library" (I think that's the
title).
We had to do many "real life" projects. We had to develop a program
idea
and present it to a library board, do a statistical analysis on a children's
collection, volunteer to help at a school or public library, learn to
conduct a proper reference interview with young children, and many other
applications that were very useful as soon as I set foot in the professional
workplace.
It is disturbing to hear the poor quality of curriculums for
children's services in some institutions. When that happens librarians need
to take the initiative in continuing education, networking, and on-the-job
experimentation (trial and error).
My MLS was valuable to me despite my extensive work as a
nonprofessional and paraprofessional in libraries, beyond just having the
piece of paper required by so many job descriptions. On the other hand,
librarians have had a long history of apprenticeship and learning on the
job. I just think the "total immersion" method of pursuing an MLS
takes
less time than learning all the information and perspective on the job,
while you are busy being distracted by all the day-to-day crises and
deadlines that occur.
These opinions are mine, out of my own tired little head...yada yada
yada.
Torrie Hodgson 8)
Torrie Hodgson, Amazon librarian from the avocado jungle!
Burlington Public Library
900 East Fairhaven Ave
Burlington, WA 98233
Phone (360) 755-0760 Fax (360) 755-0717
torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Sat Jun 20 01:02:19 1998
From: Park Ridge Public Library <cwitek@park-ridge.lib.il.us>
Subject: Formal Training for Children's Librarians
Hello pubyacers,
I received my MLS from U of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign GSLIS in 1996 so I am a
recent grad. I never worked in a library prior to Library School. I agree with
Angela that there are at least a few Children's Services/YA courses offered and
the faculty that teach these courses are stellar (Betsy Hearne and Christine
Jenkins). Having the Center for Children's Books housed there is also a great
plus and I learned a lot about the literature and reference materials as a
Graduate Assistant there.
I took all those course (Children's Lit, YA Lit, Media Programs, Storytelling)
and it was not enough. A Children's Reference course would have been a great
help but none was offered when I was there and what was being offered was being
slowly cut back. During my last semester I did a practicum at the Urbana Free
Library and now that I have been in the field for 2 years I see that the
experience I gained during my brief practicum is what I refer to most. But even
with that semester, I only got a taste of what this job is really like. If only
the practicum was a year or even more. I totally agree with Chuck on the
apprenticeship idea.
Children's Services courses are so important for introductions to and background
knowledge of collection policies, the professional literature and the histories
of Librarianship and literature but cannot prepare you for the "nuts and
bolts", as it was put, of doing this job. I am STILL learning a great deal
and strongly believe that doing is the greatest teacher in this field. I've
learned a great deal more about collection development tools now that I am
responsible for developing a collection! And what better way to learn? I don't
know about anyone else but looking back I think the people who got the most out
of those courses were the folks who had been working in a library and were there
to get the credentials. They always had so much to add to class discussions and
had interesting perspectives and now I see why. I wish I could go back and take
those courses over having the experience I have and I bet they would be so much
more meaningful.
Charlene (Downing) Witek
cwitek@park-ridge.lib.il.us
**Opinions Expressed Are My Own**
Charlene Witek
Children's Services Librarian
Park Ridge Public Library
20 S. Prospect
Park Ridge, IL 60068
Phone: (847) 825-4527
Fax: (847) 825-0001
Email: cwitek@park-ridge.lib.il.us
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