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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:15:31 -0400 (EDT)
To: pubyac-digest@nysernet.org
Subject: pubyac V1 #397

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 03:07:53 -0400
From: Jennifer Quirk <jquirk@erols.com>
Subject: Re: drive-up windows

This question is addressed to the librarian who shared information with
us regarding a drive-up window at her library. It is also extended to
any librarians that have experience with the presence of drive-up
windows at their libraries?:

Has the addition of a drive-up window to your library affected
circulation statistics in any way, positively or negatively?

Thank you for your time.


Jennifer
jquirk@erols.com
graduate student

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 08:22:32 -0400
From: Toni Buzzeo <buzzeocyll@mix-net.net>
Subject: Little Black Sambo

Lynn wrote of LITTLE BLACK SAMBO:

> While many
> responded with information on the new versions, I would be interested in
> obtaining a copy of the original version. I would like my daughter to be
> able to read all versions like Cinderella and then I would be able to follow
> up with a mini history lesson. Thanks in advance to anyone who can point me
> in the right direction.
> Lynn

Try MX Bookfinder <http://mxbf.com/> You can buy anything from a used
paperback reprint for $4.00 to a rare first edition for $11,000!

Toni Buzzeo, MA, MLIS
Longfellow School Library Media Center
Portland, Maine

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 01:12:52 -0400
From: Jennifer Quirk <jquirk@erols.com>
Subject: Re: die-cutting

To the individual who inquired about an effective die-cutting system, I
just want to further the "case" for the Ellison machine. The staff at
our library on Long Island swears by it. In my Public Library Services
for Children and Young Adults graduate class, the Ellison machine has
been discussed and recommended by several of my classmates who also work
in libraries.
Good luck with your purchase, whatever you decide!

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 07:31:13 -0600
From: Janet Oslund <joslund@colosys.net>
Subject: Re: Cataloguing of easy readers

It may not be feasible for large libraries and entire systems, but
I, as Children's Librarian and the person placing all the orders for
beginning readers, easy books, juvenile reference books, etc., personally
receive all the book shipments and separate the various categories for
the cataloging dept. Using sticky notes and rubber bands, I pretty
well mark up batches of books so that the catalogers know what
I want at the outset. If I wish to place a work of non-fiction in
a particular number that varies from the CIP, I also request
that change at that time. For example, a recent children's book on the
Ganges River as a spiritual place for followers of the Hindu
religion had been assigned a history number by LC. But I
wanted it in our 200's because of our goal to improve the
comparative religion section and because of the book's
emphasis.

For these and other reasons, I think it is useful for those doing the
ordering to be involved in the receiving of the order as well. And
it possibly saves time in the long run since you don't have to
send as many things back.

At 01:54 PM 8/1/98 PDT, you wrote:
>We have a similar problem. But if we send the items back with the bib
>record, they will be recatalogued. It's a pain to do this, but maybe
>they will get the message.
>
>Carol Exner
>Durham (NC) County Library
>
>
> We have an ongoing problem with
>>the cataloguing department. Increasingly easy reader books are
>>looking more like picture books in terms of the size and the layout.
>>The cataloguing department often ignores our requests for revisions
>>from picture book to easy reader status when we believe that an error
>>has been made. It is becoming more difficult for them to
>>differentiate between the two so we have to deal with this quite
>>often. Unfortunately they do not take into account the level of the
>>language or the book's intent.
>>
>>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 07:03:08 PDT
From: "carol exner" <crexner@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Children at work

Dear Vicky,
I'm not surprised your brain is hurting! The best thing I can
think of is to talk to the person's supervisor [surely they are aware of
the situation; unless, of course, the supervisor is part of the
potential "bomb"] mentioning the unattended children's policy of your
library. Yes, the child is old enough to be on their own at home,
perhaps even at the library. But to be unattended for a whole day at
the library or anywhere is foolish and irresponsible on the parent's
part. We have had employees bring their children to work but only on an
emergency basis.
This gets back to the thread on unattended children we had a few
months ago. It is sad that our country --- as rich and powerful as it
is --- cannot find a way to care for and protect our children when the
parents cannot afford to.

Carol Exner
Children's Librarian, Parkwood Branch
Durham County (NC) Library


>I wonder if anyone has dealt with the problem of staff bringing their
>children to work. I would
>be setting off a bomb by bringing it up at a staff meeting, so any
advice
>or suggestions on how to approach the situation would be most
>appreciated. I would like to bring it up with my director before the
>situation gets worse.
>
>Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
>
>
> "My brain hurts!" - Mr. Gumby
>
>
>


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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 07:08:01 PDT
From: "carol exner" <crexner@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: CD-ROM recycling craft?

Dear Meg,
Last year at Christmastime, one of our reference librarians took
scads of old CD ROMs and made wreaths of them. She used a styrofoam
backing which she covered with green. Then she threaded the CD-ROMs
with red ribbon and pinned them down with floral pins. A glue gun would
have worked better IMHO. They were so great, I suggested she be made an
Honorary Children's Librarian for coming up with the idea.
I have also seen snowflakes made using pipe cleaners attached to
the discs.

Carol Exner
Children's Librarian, Parkwood Branch
Durham County (NC) Library

>Dear PUBYAC-ers,
> A Computer tech just asked me if I could use some old CD-ROMS in a
>craft. She said that someone saw a site on the Internet that showed how
to
>make something from them.... rather than throw 100+ of these away she
>thought maybe we could use them in a program. I tried a few web
searches
>without success. Does anyone else have any ideas? Thanks - Meg Sala
>
>
>


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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:48:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Walter Minkel <walterm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us>
Subject: Re: Ask Jeeves & filtered searches

Steven-- We have Ask Jeeves for Kids <www.ajkids.com> on our KidsPage
<www.multnomah.lib.or.us/lib/kids/> for this reason. If adults are
concerned about kids "accidentally" coming upon something "too mature" for
them, the search box is there for them to use. Other libraries are welcome
to use the coding from the KidsPage that places the search box on the page
if you'd like to try it on your page. Don't forget to grab the ajkids logo
with a right click and save.

ajkids.com isn't perfect--some of the searches bring rather strange
results (using its "natural language" function, ask it "Who wrote the Old
Man and the Sea?"), but I've noticed a marked improvement in its usability
since I began testing it this spring. I've also corresponded several times
with the manager and staff of ajkids, and found them to be open-minded and
helpful.

One of the sort-of-problems with ajkids is that it's of necessity (if one
wants to keep kids within the filtered portion of the Web> a site with
frames, which means that often it's difficult to get the URL of the sites
kids find. More teachers are now requiring kids to cite URLs in the
bibliographies of their homework assignments. It also makes printing the
page trickier; remember to click within the frame you desire to print
before pressing that "Print" button, and even then it's easy to print the
wrong portion of the page.

Don't forget that search engines are not always the best choice. Many
young people don't have the command of spelling, organization, and
refining a search that using a search tool _well_ requires. For many kids
a library subject directory is a better choice, and there are several good
Web subject directories for young people out there to link to, most
notably the ALA 700+ Great Sites <www.ala.org/parentspage/greatsites/>,
our Multnomah County Library Homework Center
<www.multnomah.lib.or.us/lib/homework/>, and the new KidsClick! directory
<sunsite.berkeley.edu/KidsClick!/>. Good luck & feel free to contact me
with questions, W

On Sat, 1 Aug 1998, Steven wrote:

> I have an Internet question and think I've found the answer, but am
> hoping some of the Net experts on Pubyac can confirm: We have
> unfiltered Internet terminals at our library. We want to keep them
> that way, but allow patrons to do a filtered search if they
> specifically choose to. I think if we have a link to "Ask Jeeves,"
> this will work. If I understand it right, an "Ask Jeeves" search
> first searches selected kids-only sites, but then uses the
> "Surfwatch" filter to search WebCrawler, AltaVista, InfoSeek,
> and Excite. So I can tell a patron who wants a filtered search to
> use Ask Jeeves and look at the results below the squiggly green line.
> Is that true? Or is there a better way to offer a filter option
> without a filtered feed?
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Steven Engelfried, West Linn Public Library
> 1595 Burns Streeet West Linn, OR 97068
> ph: 503-656-7857 fax: 503-656-2746
> e-mail: steven@westlinn.lib.or.us
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

Walter Minkel, School Corps Technology Trainer
Multnomah County Library, 205 NE Russell St., Portland, OR 97212
Voice (503)736-6002; fax (503)248-5441; walterm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us
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Look! A Toyota! Kool! --Palindrome of the Month

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:09:42 -0600
From: Nancy Polette <npolette@inlink.com>
Subject: New web site

I have a new children's literature web site with annotated lists of the
best new books and ideas for using them in the classroon plus picture book
AND NOVEL UNITS TO DOWNLOAD FOR FREE. Do take a look.
Nancy Polette,Prof. Ed. Lindenwood University

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:21:51 -0600
From: Nancy Polette <npolette@inlink.com>
Subject: New kid lit web site

Sorry. I forgot to include the new children's literature web site
address with my previous message. It is www.nancypolette.com

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:52:33 -0500
From: JODIR@ALCON.ALC.ORG
Subject: Hawaiian Storytime

Hello Everyone,

We just finished up our SRC with a Hawaiian Luau Family storytime. Many of
you helped me with the ideas so here is the list of suggestions and things
we did.


Stories & Books

Luka's Quilt - Georgia Guback
How Maui Slowed the Sun - Suelyn Ching Tune
And the Birds Appeared - Julie Stewart Williams
Moke and Poki in the Rain Forest - Funai Mamoru (1972 I can read)
Maui and the Mud Hens & Maui's Lasso (string stories from Many Stars and More
String Games - Camilla Gryski)

Stories from Hawaii - Edward & Marguerite Dolch (this was a great resource)

Fingerplay

Old Volcano

Old Volcano is asleep
SHHHH, Don't wake him
Let him Sleep
Rumble rumble
When will it stop?
Now old volcano
Blows his top!

Activities

We put on several puppet skits. One was based on the book "Only Joking Laughed
the Lobster" by Colin West and then we had Florescent paper fish puppets swim
across stage under a black light. We coordinated it with music (Cod Fish Ball)
Than we made a half Volcano out of clay and one of our puppets presented her
so called "school report" about volcanos and she explained how her volcano
didn't blow up when it was supposed to because her brother ruined it. Then
of course, the puppet stage started shaking and the volcano blew. (We used
a confetti popper with extra red, yellow and orange confetti attached).

We did several Hula dances
Rockin' Hula - Hap Palmer Feelin' Free album 1976
Hukilau - Let's Hula, Hula Records album # H500

We also did the limbo. I decorated 3 broom handles with ribbon and limboed to
Hawaiian Chant music.

I also wanted to mention that we told the Story "Punia and the sharks" found in
"Stories from Hawaii" (listed above) and we told "Moke and Poki build a House"
from "Moke and Poki in the Rain forest" (listed above). For the second story
we make illustrations on overhead projector sheets so everyone could see them
because the book is small. We also recorded the story so other staff members
could be the voices of the characters.

We also played pass the coconut and pineapple to music. Then when the music
stopped the person holding the item got a free pack of Kool-aide. We used
a plastic pineapple but real coconuts and had several going around the circle.

I hope this helps. I want to thank everyone who helped contribute ideas.
The program was a great success and I received many complements for this
program and well as our SRC.

Jodi Rocco
Children's Library Asst.
Abilene Public Library
Abilene Tx
jodi.rocco@alc.org

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:39:12 EDT
From: DAISYWAGES@aol.com
Subject: Re: pubyac V1 #389

I took over a branch and began incentives. In the system where I work, some
librarians are totally against incentives. Well it worked for us. We put
trinkets in
a treasure chest, and for every 10 books read, they could pick a prize. It
generated such excitement with ALL the kids. I thought some kids would take
advantage of the
10 books, and we only had one family that would sit in the library and have
their 10
year old read board books to get more prizes. I just explained to the parent
that they would not be prizes for all children if everyone did this. Took
care of it. Most parents would only allow their child one prize, even if they
had read 20 picture books.
Incentives lifted the whole program up. We generated lots more activity,
reading and circulation with incentives and better and increased programming.
I used Oriental
Traders for the prizes, and would spend about $80.00 a year.

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:09:07 +0000
From: fmuller@saturn.planet.net
Subject: Re: Ask Jeeves & filtered searches

I don't know if AskJeeves filters but it is a very interesting site.
It works in natural language. You must ask a question. The only
problem it sends you to sites and you never know the address. I find
it very useful and have it as my "home page" at school
***
Frederick Muller
fmuller@planet.net Halsted Middle School Library
(973) 383-7440 ext.228 59 Halsted Street
FAX (973) 383-7432 Newton, NJ 07860
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My book reviews are compiled at
http://www.halsted.org/br.htm

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:01:39 -0500
From: Ari Frankel <ari@inch.com>
Subject: STUMPER: DO YOU KNOW THIS CHILDREN BOOK?

Trying to locate title, author or other leads regarding the following
children book:

Subject: There is only one mother; wanting one's mother; A child
looking for his/her own mother, meeting various animals and their
parents but needing their own; I want my mother; There's only one
mother.

Content: Various (young) animals show up in front of the child, but
he/she sends them to their own mother. All he/she wants is their own
mother.

Storyline: Probably something like "I want MY mother. Hello. No, I
can't have YOUR mother. Your mother is such-and-such. You go to YOUR
mother. I want MY mother. Oh, hello. No, I can't have YOUR mother..."
etc. etc. until finally child's mother appears.

Style: Black & White, either photographs or hyper-realistic drawing;
Images may be in round-shaped frames; Book size: app. 8.5"x11".

Pub. Date: Last spotted around 11-12 years ago, so must have been
published pre-1988.

Please send any ideas, thoughts or suggestions directly to ari@inch.com

Thanks for your help.

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:34:29 -0500
From: DLHIETT <dlh@greennet.net>
Subject: RE: Selling lib. discards -illegal/ unethical? -long

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Hi Tammy,
=20
I use to work at a Library where we would sometimes donate our discards =
to a boys and girls club that was just getting started in a large city. =
The staff was very appreciative and the children enjoyed being read to. =
Maybe it's something to think about.
Deb

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From: Tammy Daubner[SMTP:tlvdinoh@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 3:43 PM
To: pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: Re: Selling lib. discards -illegal/ unethical? -long

Just curious...
How many public libraries out there donate their weeded or discarded=20
book to a group such as a Friends of the Library? What does the Friends =

group then do with that money? Does it come back to the library in any=20
way?

A little background before I ask my final question:

My library system, the Medina County District Library, has very strong=20
and supportive Friends groups. They organize book sales just about=20
monthly, and use the proceeds of these sales to sponsor library=20
activities and programs. The majority of the books they sell are=20
library discards, but a good many come from donations of old books from=20
the public that cannot be used by the library in its collections. =20

The library and its Friends groups have come under attack recently by=20
the same community group who gave us national notoriety for our Internet =

access policies earlier in the year (Citizens For The Protection Of=20
Children). They are "investigating" the library's connection to the=20
Friends and all related finances. In the fall, when the library system=20
had a 10-year renewal levy on the ballot that made up 40% of our budget, =

our Friends groups donated money (to the tune of $14,000 totally) to the =

Citizens for the Library, a separate group of individuals organized to=20
promote the library and help get the levy passed. The CPC (our=20
"anti-library" group) had their own campaign against the levy. Since=20
the levy passed by a healthy margin (here's where I drift into a more=20
sarcastic tone...) and the CPC failed in their efforts to deny us=20
funding, they decided to investigate our funding sources. They are now=20
writing letters to the editor in our local paper calling us "unethical"=20
and saying we have "disregarded state laws". =20

Here (finally!) is my question (okay, there's more than one): is what we =

do here in Medina so unusual? If the Friends have a mission to support=20
the library, wouldn't supporting our levy campaign fall under that=20
mission? Don't other libraries and Friends groups do virtually the same =

things?

Thanks for reading this long message. I look forward to reading any=20
discussion this may prompt.


Tammy Daubner
YA Librarian
Medina County District Library
LJ's 1998 Library Of The Year!
Medina, OH =20

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:02:36 -0500
From: DLHIETT <dlh@greennet.net>
Subject: RE: CD-ROM recycling craft?

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Hi Meg,

At our Library we made "CD" clocks out of the CD's. Not my idea but I =
did have a program on "CD Clocks" which was very popular. The kids =
decorated the face of the clock or the back of the CD then added the =
clock works, hands, and battery. We decorated the clock faces with =
jewels, sequins, and puff paints. Have fun. Deb

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From: Sala[SMTP:msala@suffolk.lib.ny.us]
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 1998 10:42 AM
To: PUBYAC LISTSERV
Subject: CD-ROM recycling craft?

Dear PUBYAC-ers,
A Computer tech just asked me if I could use some old CD-ROMS in a
craft. She said that someone saw a site on the Internet that showed how =
to
make something from them.... rather than throw 100+ of these away she
thought maybe we could use them in a program. I tried a few web searches
without success. Does anyone else have any ideas? Thanks - Meg Sala



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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:04:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sala <msala@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: RE: Summer Reading Incentives (re: v.1#389)

Dear Andrew Finkbeiner- $200 savings accounts and moutain bikes? I am not
surprised at the 40% improvement - actually I would expect it to be
higher! I was talking about rewards along the lines of pencils and
stickers, even the favorite get your hand stamped for the preschool group.
It looks like a case of comparing apples to oranges. As to those that
finish...It is hard to estimate with
the reading club at my library because there isn't a specific goal of how
many books. The older children report on the amount of time they spend
reading,and yes it is on the honor system. The prereaders bring in lists
the parents fill in as to stories
that were read to them. I'm curious now and will check on the # that sign
up and never come in. Of course they only get the reading club pin for
signing up. The "prizes" are doled out throughout the summer. - Meg Sala

On Sat, 1 Aug 1998, Andrew Finkbeiner wrote:

> On Friday 7/31, Meg Sala wrote, "What's wrong with rewards?" As I
> understand it, rewards take the child's focus off of the activity that
> you are trying to encourage. In our case, a child might barrel through
> 10 books to get that reward, thinking all the time about the reward and
> forget/ignore/not pay any attention to the actual reading. I believe we
> can trust Alfie Kohn's scholarship in his book Punished By Rewards that
> presents an awful lot of evidence to show that an external incentive
> puts the focus on the external incentive, not on the enjoyment, and
> sometimes to the detriment, of the process at hand.
>
> I appreciate Trudy Terry's experience and courage (7/28). The idea of
> incentives is so deeply ingrained in us that we know it gets people in
> the door. But here's an observation: Our numbers for "Readers Joined"
> is always significantly larger than "Readers Finished." Over the past
> several years our average for those who finish hovered somewhere around
> 20%. Last year it was a whopping 40%! The difference? TV advertising,
> a chance to win a mountain bike or a start up savings account of $200, a
> swim party at the Y, and a book to keep. Why don't 95% finish? Do
> incentives really work? What do others of you have for joining and
> finishing numbers?
>
> Also, Trudy mentioned Adelaide Rowe in her posting. Our server was down
> for four days so I missed all that Pubyac. I was unable to access the
> archives (I can get to the website, but can't get to the gopher
> directory). Would someone please clue me in about what Adelaide wrote?
>
> I really appreciate this discussion. Thank you all very much.
>
> Andrew Finkbeiner
> Rockford (IL) Public Library
> andrew@rockford.lib.il.us
>
> Visit our website at http://www.rpl.rockford.org
>
>

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