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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:02:04 -0400 (EDT)
To: pubyac-digest@nysernet.org
Subject: pubyac V1 #409
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:55:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Mary Johnson (amk)" <mjohnson@wlsmail.wls.lib.ny.us>
Subject: YA literature
Mary Sue and Carol, you're both absolutely right - good literature is
good literature, no matter who it's written for. And I have booktalked
several YA titles (Te Ear, the Eye and The Arm, Galax-Arena, Winter of
Fire, the Giver, and Over the Water, to name a few favorites) to adults
with great success. I would guess that many high school students, being
pretty insecure in their new maturity, wouldn't be caught dead reading a
"kid's" book. I'm thinking of the lovely preface by C.S. Lewis to The
Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe - how he tells the young girl that,
though she's now to old for fairly stories, there will come a time when
she'll read them again. Then again, there are readers of all ages who
read all kinds of books. The important thing is to get the books to
raders who appreciate them, wheter these readers are children, teenagers,
or adults.
Being a bit long-winded here - sorry! Hope this helps
Mary Johnson, YA librarian, North Castle P.L., Armonk, NY
(mjohnson@wls.lib.ny.us)
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:04:33 -0500
From: Denise Zielinski <dzielins@plum.lib.il.us>
Subject: Job posting
Librarian, Young People's Services, Part-time, 1100 hours annually, includes
evenings and weekends. Duties include: reference and reader's advisory,
participation in collection management, program presentation, and clerical
duties as needed. Minimum requirements: MLS from an accredited school. Beginning
hourly rate: $13.00 per hour. Send resume, cover letter and 3 references by
August 30 to Denise Zielinski, Head of Young People's Services, Helen M. Plum
Memorial Library, 110 W. Maple Street, Lombard, IL 60148. EOE.
Denise Zielinski e-mail: <italic>dzielins@plum.lib.il.us
</italic>Head, Young People's Services (630) 627-0316
Helen M. Plum Memorial Library FAX: (630) 627-0336
110 W. Maple Street
Lombard, Illinois 60148
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 98 13:10:12 PDT
From: "Callahan County Library" <callahancl@bitstreet.com>
Subject: Re: no fines
For the little books our fine is .10 no matter how long they are overdue (2 or
more days that is --only a nickel for 1 day)
Sonia
callahancl@bitstreet.com
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:11:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stacey Freedman <freedmas@nitnoi.howa.lib.md.us>
Subject: Re: YA CORE COLLECTION
I'd like to put my two cents in (actually, it's more like $1.35) about
Young Adult literature and who it appeals to. Most YA collections range
from middle school to high school. However, it seems that 10th grade is
that year where most YAs who are voracious readers do head over to the
adult section for "meatier" books. While there are young adult books
that
are for high school audiences such as Blood and Chocolate, I think a lot
of things wind up in the adult collections. This, again causes the
migration to the adult section.
I don't think YA books are used much at all in the schools and one
reason is that many teachers aren't aware of some of the wonderful new
titles in the Young Adult area (no flames from teachers, please!).
Usually, they need to stick to whatever titles are in the curriculum. And
from seeing many a reading list from middle schools, very rarely are newer
titles added. Middle school (and maybe 9th grade) are the grades most
likely to get the most out of the body of YA literature.
As for adult authors such as Stephen King and Anne Rice, agreed
that they are very popular with YAs (as one told me "vampires are hot!
I'd love to have Simon <from the Silver Kiss> to suck my neck!").
However, since the intended audience is not Young Adults, I don't think
that they are really considered Young Adult literature. I would consider
them adult books for young adults.
As Mary Sue points out, a lot of adults read Young Adult
literature, but I find this is mostly confined to science fiction and
fantasy. I do realize that graphic novels are popular as well as other
genres. However, in a library where the collection is separated out, you
find very few adults going over to that collection (unless the book is in
both collections and the adult copy is checked out). I will venture to
guess that in bookstores where things are not so regimented, you will find
more adults buying young adult literature.
I also know many "teens" who would take great offense at the
statement that "most teens are not good readers." Many may seem like
they
don't read or they don't like to read because they don't like to read what
they are forced to read in school. Give them what they want, and you'll
find a great many teens with a book or other reading materials in their
hands. I agree that there are teens who wouldn't touch a book with a 10
foot pole, but I don't think it is "most teens"
Okay, off my soapbox.
Stacey
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Stacey Freedman
Children's Programmer
East Columbia Branch Library
410/313-7730 410/313-7717
freedmas@nitnoi.howa.lib.md.us
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:02:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Shari Hetzke <shetzke@nslsilus.org>
Subject: Games Magazines for Young Adults
I work in a suburban library serving a town of around 75,000. We
recently added 18 magazines in our young adult collection. They have
been EXTREMELY popular. I've found that _Electronic Gaming Monthly_ is
always out. This makes me think I should add another game magazine of
similar ilk. We already have _Nintendo Power_ in Kids' World so I do not
want to duplicate that title. Do any of you have any suggestions of
magazines that would appeal to the _Electronic Gaming Monthly_ reader?
Please send directly to me and I will post my responses to the list. I
am only looking for another GAMES magazine -- not general young adult
magazines.
Thanks,
Shari Hetzke
Shari Hetzke tel 847-506-2629
Secondary School Services Specialist fax 847-506-2650
Arlington Heights Memorial Library shetzke@nslsilus.org
500 North Dunton
Arlington Heights, IL 60004
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:30:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Guarria <cguarria@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Re: Favs
I think you're right! Thanks for clearing up my confusion.
(I actually feel better now--here I thought I just had lousy taste in
books!)
Carrie
cguarria@suffolk.lib.ny.us
On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Dr. Ruth I. Gordon wrote:
> I thought Pullman was a Brit and therefore ineligible for a Newby and that
> the book was first published in G.B. ("Golden Compass")
> Yes?
>
> Big Grandma (old-timey chair Newby)
>
> ==================
> "You may not be able to change the world, but at least you can
embarrass
> the guilty." Jessica Mitford (1917-1996)
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:36:37 -0500
From: Jean Marie Schmeisser <Schmeisser@ci.sat.tx.us>
Subject: STUMPER - Smokey Joe
Hello all,
This is my first time calling on the collection wisdom. A patron would
like information (author, etc.) on a book she thinks was called "Smokey
Joe" or perhaps the main character's name was Smokey Joe. She thinks it
was published about 40-50 years ago. Any idea?
Thanks,
Jean Schmeisser
San Antonio Public Library
Central Lib. Children's Unit
600 Soledad St.
San Antonio, TX 78205-1200
(210)207-2621
Schmeisser@ci.sat.tx.us
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:50:18 -0400
From: "kscalley" <kscalley@capecod.net>
Subject: Re: Compiled List of Singing Stories(long)
Here is the list (please excuse the cut and paste). It is long.
Thank you to everyone who sent me ideas for books.
Have fun with the list:
*CHICKA CHICKA BOOM BOOM that has Ray
Charles reading w/a beat. Even better on the same tape is the group of
children who read it, again with a beat. I use it all the time in
storytime (using the kid version).
*Janet Steven (ithink) of I Went to the Animal Fair
* Row Row Row Your Boat
* I Know an Old Lady Who Swallowed a Fly
*Lizard's Song, by Shannon
*Whiffle Squeek by Caron Lee Cohen, illustrated by Ted Rand,
1983, K-3rd. It is about a seefaring cat named Whiffle Squeek who has a
narrow escape from a hungry monster of the briny deep. It is sung to the
tune of aiken drum.
*The Wheels on the Bus (a pop-up one by
Zelinsky, and another by Maryann Kovalski)
* Old MacDonald Had A farm.
* I've Been Working On The Railroad by
Nadine Bernard Westcott.Picture book version
*On Top Of Spaghetti by Tom
Glazer.
*And if you think they'll sit still for it, you can do Froggy Went
A'Courtin'
*Skip to My Lou by Nadine Wescott
* Mary Wore Her Red Dress- Merle Peek's book
*The Marvelous Toy by Paxton
*2 new books: Hokey Pokey and If you're happy and you know it
(don't know the authors off hand) This Old Man
*Cows in the Kitchen
by June Crebbin; illustrated by Katharine McEwen
A wild and wacky version of a nursery song modeled on (the text can be
sung to the tune of) "Skip to My Lou."
*Mockingbird by Allan Ahlberg; illustrated by Paul Howard
The traditional lullaby - retold by Allan Ahlberg of the Jolly Postman
Fame -- with a spirited new twist--a turn-of-the-century birthday
party!
*A You're Adorableby Buddy Kaye, Sidney Lippman, and Fred Wise; illustrated
by Martha
*The Twelve Days of Christmasillustrated by Louise Brierly
*Today is Monday by Eric Carle
*Itsy Bitsy Spider by Iza Trapani,
(she also has others which work with older kids but are too involved ofr
my toddlers)
* Hush Little Baby by Sylvia Long *
*Sleepy-O by Harriet Ziefert.
*Souhami"s Old MacDonaldalot as well. Old MacDonald we now use clipping
pictures of other animalsin to replace the ones in the book. Kids love the
surprise of the flaps.
*Spider on the Floor- We have a pile of egg carton spiders we've made which
we pass out so everyone\canmove a spider as we sing Also spider rings.
*Pete Seeger also has The Foolish Frog
*Margaret Read MacDonald has a tape with tunes with her stories: Turtle of
Koka, SnowBunting's Lullaby, and others. *
Dance Away by George Shannon and while it
isn't a song there's a great bit that the kids can dance/move to
throughout the story. I
*Mortimer by Robert Munsch and justcreated my own obnoxious tune to the
refrain that Mortimer sings. The kids love it!
*WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD by Weiss,
with the incomparable Louis Armstrong singing it. I have used this with
audiences from age 2 through adult, and everyone is captivated by Louis,
and the artwork by Ashley Bryan is great.
*There is also some of the Rodgers and Hammerstein picture books:
"In my own little corner" from Cinderella; "My favorite
things" from the
Sound of Music; and "Surrey with the fringe on top" that I know of
*There is a fantastic version of
*The Teddy Bears Picnic* as sung by Jerry Garcia--one of the bears in
the book actually looks like him, too. There are also ones that you
can just sing on your own, instead of reading, like the Caldecott
honor winner .
*There are also books that lend themselves well to familiar melodies;
just sing instead of read--*Old Black Fly* by Aylesworth fits the song
"Joshua fought the battle of Jericho"
*Silly Sally* by Wood fits a combination of "Mary had a little lamb"
*Also worth mentioning is *King Bidgood's in the Bathtub* by Wood. There is
an "opera" version of this story--it was a big hit at one of my
storytimes. However, I did edit the over-long opera by making my own
recording of the parts that I wanted to use, and using my recording in
combination with reading the book
*Raffi's Wheels on the Bus,Tingalayo, Shake My Sillies Out, and many more
*She'll Be Comin' Round the Mountain by Birdseye or Bullock
*Over in the Meadow by Langstaff
*The Fox Went Out on a Chilly Night (illustrated by Peter Spiers) is a
good one. It is an illustrated song and I know there are various
recordings of the song.
* Robert Quackenbush's adaptations of Amer. folk songs, like _Skip to My
Lou_ (Lippincott,
1975) and _Clementine_ (Lippincott, 1974). They're probably OP but
perhaps you can find them nearby.
*Nadine Westcott's-There's a Hole in the Bucket_(Harper & Row, 1990))
* Soup for Supper by Phyllis Root
*Abiyoyo
*Three Blind Mice
*Morningtown Ride
*Jamberry
*Daddy's Mustache
*The cat came back
*Down in the Meadow (398.8)
* 5 little monkeys jumping on the bed
* Roll-Over, Ten in the Bed (Mack).
*The Popcorn Shop
*Cat goes Fiddle-i-Fee by Paul Galdone
Brown Bear, Brown Bear... by Bill Martin, Jr.
Four Fur Feet by Margaret Wise Brown
AUDIOTAPES:
Sing Me a Story by Heather Forest
Tales Around the Hearth by Heather Forest
Thank you,
Ann Scalley
kscalley@capecod.net
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:57:41 -0700
From: tonib@sfpl.lib.ca.us
Subject: Re: pubyac V1 #405
The San Francisco Public Library has not charged fines on books checked
out on childrens cards for more than twenty years. The practice of
charging fines was discontinued because it was felt to be a major barrier
to access. The lack of fines was attached to the card, not the material,
because older children often use adult materials for their reports and
we did not wish to discourage use of any part of the collection which
could be of help to children. Adults who check out children's materials
on their cards do pay fines on overdues.
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:11:00 -0700
From: BOGART Debra S <dbogart@ci.springfield.or.us>
Subject: Re: Need some ideas for read alouds to 5/6 gr.
I recommend The Search For Delicious, by Natalie Babbitt; The Ballad of
Lucy Whipple; and the Enchanted Forest Chronicles, starting with Dealing
With Dragons, by Patricia Wrede.
Debra Bogart
Youth Services
Springfield Public Library
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:18:39 -0500
From: "Corby Poursaba" <mabel1@ionet.net>
Subject: Bringing Books to Life
I am having a program for 1st - 5th graders entitled "Bringing Books to
Life" (Family Fun magazine,Sept. 98). I am seeking further craft ideas with
corresponding junior fiction books (e.g. the magazine suggested making
grouchy powder, magic distracto bubble potion, etc. for the Mrs.
Piggle-Wiggle books.) I can be reached at mabel1@ionet.net. Thank you!
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:03:09 -0600
From: TECHSERVCLER@orion.mtgr.mtlib.org
Subject: Re:singing stories
A few more books that I have found usefull that you can sing to are:
It's Raing, It's Pouring by Kin Eagle
Hey, Diddle Diddle by Kin Eagle
Cat Goes Fiddle-i-fee by Paul Galdone
Over in the Meadow by Paul Galdone
I'm a little tea pot(I believe it is by Kin Eagle also)
I also like to use Crocidile beat and have the kids chant and clap their hands
in
unison throught the book, but rest when it comes to the animal noise and have
them make the noise along with you.
Best of Luck,
Lisa Wilkes
Youth Services Library Assistant
Great Falls Public Library
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:02:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: Liz Janda <ljanda@nslsilus.org>
Subject: Magazine request
Dear collective brain,
My patron is looking for a secular based homeschooling magazine. We
have the Christian homeschooling magazine sources that do not meet her needs.
Any help would be appreciated.
Liz Janda
Children's Librarian
Algonquin, IL
ljanda@nslsilus.org
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:25:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sheehan <csheehan@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: STUMPER: CAT'S LIFE
Here's a stumper that doesn't seem like it should be so difficult, but we
are all experiencing the "tip of the tongue syndrome." Hopefully, it
sounds more than just familiar to some of you.
DETAILS: This picture book would have been written within the last
five years and centers around the life cycle of a cat. The story traces a
kitten's life through its death, with the cat "remembering" alot of
the
details of his life. Our patron (actually our cat-loving director who
just lost his beloved pet of 17 years) remembers
beautiful illustrations, one of which is an unusual perspective of a
kitchen.
Thanks in advance!
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Cheryl Sheehan
Children's and Parents' Services Librarian
Mastics-Moriches-Shirley Community Library
407 William Floyd Parkway
Shirley, Long Island, New York 11967-3492
(516) 399-1511 x377, fax: (516) 281-4442
csheehan@suffolk.lib.ny.us
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:44:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: Banner Creation Project for YA Area
On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Edmonds Library Reference Dept wrote:
> This program will be held in the fall and will involve
> area teens getting together to create some nylon banners for the
> young adult area. I would be interested to know if any YA or
> Youth Services librarians out there have done this or a similar
> area-decoration type of program, and if you could share with me your
> experiences.
One thing Caryn Sipos did that really jazzed up the Lake Hills Library YA
dept. was to create small felt sports-style pennants for each of the
schools that this library served (not necc. the "official" list either
:-)
Perhas you could advertise the program as "represent your school" and
perhaps offer the opportunity to create a special banner for home-schooled
kids.
Just a thought...
Kirsten Edwards
kirstedw@kcls.org
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:04:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: Picture Books about weddings
On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Lesley Gaudreau wrote:
> Hi all,
> This time I am the patron. A childhood friend of mine, who has also
> grown up to be involved with children and books, is getting married this
> fall. As part of her shower gift, I would like to get her a picture
> book for her collection that is about a wedding. I don't care if the
> wedding is traditional or nontraditional (Sootface is sort of a wedding
> story); I just want something wonderful. Can you send me the
> titles/authors of your favorite love/wedding picture books?
My vote goes for HELGA'S DOWRY by Tomie de Paola. How can you not love
"Here comes the bride / All dressed in Green" for a troll-wedding?
Kirsten Edwards
kirstedw@kcls.org
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 98 16:58:29
From: katy@tribbles.nampa.lib.id.us
Subject: RE: Little Black Sambo
To all Little Black Sambo fans there is an edition
available touted as the original authorized American
edition that reads just as I remeber it when I was a
child many many years ago. I stumbled across it in
Salt Lake City and had to have it. It is a small book
6" or less per side and it retails for 14.95.
HarperCollins is the publisher and it is currently
showing available in BOOKS IN PRINT. ISBN 0397300069.
As an aside my kids loved the story just as I had
when I was there age and still do.
Katy Curl
Youth Services
Nampa Public Library
Nampa Idaho
E-mail: katy@tribbles.nampa.lib.id.us
Date: 8/10/98
Time: 4:50:11 PM
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:30:22 EDT
From: DAISYWAGES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Need some ideas for read alouds to 5/6 gr.
Harris and Me by Gary Paulsen
A spoon for every bite-
Burnt toast on Davenport Street
Sorry, I can't remember the authors of the last 2 at this moment. I used them
very
successfully for 5/6th graders when I travelled to schools doing booktalks.
I happen to love Harris and Me. I gave it to my son when he was in 5th grade.
He loved it, took it to his teacher, and she read the whole book to the class.
It also
turned him on to Gary Paulsen and has since read everything he has written-
fiction and non-fiction. Hope this helps.
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:29:50 PDT
From: "carol exner" <crexner@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: YA CORE COLLECTION
Dear all,
Sorry for the long post, but you need to see the whole thread. I
was contributing what I felt was a useful observation from a (then)
teen-ager, an able reader, and now a medical librarian and assistant
professor.
At the time, I was taking a course in YA materials and wanted the
input of my favorite YA, a person whose judgement I trusted. I felt
that her observations --- limited to that genre called "YA fiction,"
and
NOT adults writing for YAs --- were useful to me then and might be of
interest to professionals now.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it! ;-)
Carol Exner
Durham (NC) County Library
On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 MarydeG@aol.com wrote:
>
>> While all of what Mary Sue Barnett says below is true, I'd just like
to point
>> out four things.
>>
>> 1. The teen years start in middle school, not the tenth grade.
>> 2. Most teens are not good readers.
>> 3. People that are interested in promoting "young adult"
literature
in schools
>> and libraries are usually contrasting it to classics that are so
often forced
>> on kids and adults who have no interest in them.
>> 4. I have always understood the term "young adult literature"
to
include adult
>> literature that appeals to kids, so I include Stephen King, Ann Rice
and even
>> some classics like Romeo and Juliet.
>>
>> Mary Givins
>> Librarian (and former high school teacher)
>> Roberts Elementary School
>> marydeg@aol.com
>>
>> In a message dated 8/9/98 1:18:14 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
>> msb@wam.umd.edu writes:
>>
>> << > Dear Dolly and all,
>> > I would like to add something to this discussion that my
then-teen
>> > daughter told me when I was taking my YA couse in grad school.
When I
>> > asked her about YA novels, she said she hadn't really read any
unless
>> > they were assigned for school. "If you're a good reader and
don't
pick
>> > up YA books by the time you're out of 10th grade, you'll never
read them
>> > unless they're assigned."
>> > As I continued to discuss this with her friends and with
pages I
>> > knew then and since, I am fairly convinced that she is right.
What kids
>> > who read easily and well would love are hosts of writers like
Robert
>> > Jordan (Eye of the World; science fiction; up to 7 or 8 HUGE
volumes of
>> > intricate plotting, interwoven relationships, and pretty well
drawn
>> > characters) who have teen protagonists going through those
teen-year
>> > problems but with development more like adult novels. That's also
a
>> > reason kids used to devour Stephen King --- teen novels written
with
>> > adult complexity. It's just my opinion, but I think I'm on to
>> > something. >>
>>
>>
> I would like to point out that the message immediately above is
>the message I was replying TO, NOT the message I actually wrote. I
have
>never indicated that young adult literature actually started at a
>particular grade. Also, I am not married and I have never had
children.
>Therefore, the "daughter" mentioned is not mine. I do realize that
young
>adult literature does encompass the adult popular writers that have
appeal
>to young adults.
>
>Mary Sue Burnett
>College of Library and Information Services
>University of Maryland at College Park
>College Park, MD 20742
>msb@wam.umd.edu
>
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