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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:12:37 -0400 (EDT)
To: pubyac-digest@nysernet.org
Subject: pubyac V1 #437
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:18:24 EDT
From: CCullum621@aol.com
Subject: RE: children's Librarians are "Real" Librarians
It's funny and sad that this comment from Vicky came out at this time.
I just had this same arguement with my coworkers yesterday.
I recently got a comment from an adult reference librarian who felt that they
of course work much harder than we do and have more work to do (inferring of
course more important work also). It was situation that really hurt since I
respected this person and thought she did the same.
Children's Librarians notoriously are looked on as having a lot of fun
playing with the kids and reading a few stories. How hard can that be? Right?
Adult reference librarians, and some directors, have no concept of how hard we
work and many times patrons believe whoever they talk to when they come in is
the librarian (even if it is the library assistant at the desk).
In a bid to get people to be more knowledgable about Children's Librarians I
did a whole page in our library Newsletter on what your children's librarian
does for your community (outreach, programs, reading lists, etc.). I ended it
with a little contest asking people if they could name the children's
librarians that serve their community and asking them to come in and meet us.
I know how you feel Vicky. Many times I also have felt like just saying
take your questions to the adult reference desk since they are the only ones
that do "real" reference.
Thanks for letting me rant and I would really like to hear from other
children's librarians on their experiences. If you don't want to put it out
here you can e-mail me direct at:
Carolyn Cullum, Supervising Children's Librarian
North Edison Public Library
Edison, NJ
CCullum621@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:30:54 -0500
From: Ruth Burridge Lindemann <rlindema@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: candy train
I suspect pre-schoolers would enjoy it--but be prepared for a LOT of
sampling. : )
More important, I'd suggest what's called royal icing for the "glue".
You
know the kids will sample so you want to use a food glue. Royal icing is
made of meringue powder (get where you can get cake decorating stuff) and
powdered sugar and cold water. The meringue powder is pasteurized, so no
salmonella worries. The proportions can be found on the jar of powder.
(It's something on the order of 1/4 cup of powder to 1/2 cup of COLD water
and 4 cups of powdered sugar. You probably won't need that much, but you
can adjust.
Good luck,
ruth burridge lindemann
student
university of illinois, graduate school of library and information science
rlindema@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu
At 10:46 AM 9/10/98 -0400, Sally Warburton wrote:
>Help!
>Does anyone out there know how to make a train out of candy?
>I've seen them made using a roll of life savers with peppermint
>candy wheels and a rollo smokestake (I think).
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:54:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Monica Anderson <mand@vlc.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Paraprofessional Titles
Hi everyone --
I have a question that I would like as many responses to as possible,
please. (Actually several related questions.)
Do you have paraprofessionals (non-MLS) working the reference desk at
your library? What is their title? Do you also have professional (MLS)
librarians doing the same or similar work, or are the only degreed people
at your library in administration?
Thanks!
Monica Anderson
Grace A. Dow Memorial Library
Midland MI 48642
mand@vlc.lib.mi.us
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:36:54 -0600
From: Carolyn Groves <cgroves@will.state.wy.us>
Subject: Audio listening center?
We have a donor who wants to buy us a "Listening Center" for our
children's/YA department...we did some research on this about 2 years before
we moved into our new building and decided to axe it...but are now
re-investigating. I have the following questions for those who have
listening centers/or those who decided not to have them & why not:
Do you have a problem with equipment disappearing or breaking?
Do you have a problem with sanitary issues (lice/dirt/etc...)
Do you set time limits on usage?
Do you require that patrons check out the materials to listen to them?
Do you allow adults to use the center?
Please reply to me directly.
TIA for your help.
Carolyn Groves Winkler
Assistnat Children's Librarian
Teton Coutny Library
Jackson, WY
cgroves@will.state.wy.us
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:34:18 -0400
From: Fredda Williams <fwillia7@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Redwall Books
I don't think you need to worry about Redwall's circulation. The kids will
find them wherever you place them. We have them in Juv. Fiction in our
library system, and we also have copies in the TEEN paperback collection.
They get checked out frequently and we usually have holds for the newest
title. Children who have been brought up on the fantasy books of Lloyd
Alexander, Susan Cooper, C.S. Lewis and others are a natural audience for
the Redwall books. They are popular with boys and girls. Also, although I
don't like Accelerated Reader, most of the Redwall books are on the AR lists
so kids whose schools use this program often read them because they're worth
a lot of points. My guess is that your director will be pleasantly
surprised.
Fredda Williams
Children's Services Manager
Knox County Public Library System
Marilyn Zaruba wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> I need a little cataloging help. I ordered the Redwall set after
> reading about it on this list & now that I've seen the books, I'm not
> too sure where they should go. My director says no one is going to read
> them & I think they probably won't be read if I don't get them in the
> right place.
>
> Where did you put them in the collection?
>
> TIA!
>
> Marilyn Zaruba
> Mansfield Public Library
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:30:35 -0400
From: "Lynda M. Gamble" <lyndage@lori.state.ri.us>
Subject: Re: Redwall Books
I have worked in two small public libraries and both libraries catalog
these as YA fiction. They are extremely popular with children grades 5 and
up through high school. Hope this helps.
Robert Beverly Hale Library
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:42:46 -0700
From: bob heffner <bheffner@wcn.net>
Subject: RE: Redwall Books
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Isn't the Redwall series wonderful? But where to put them??
We have ours in jF and they're checked out some by kids who've heard =
about them at school, or by those special kids whom I've latched onto =
with a "Have you read any Redwall books?"
I'd also like to know where to catalog them!
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 8:39:28 -0400
From: Serena Butch <SCP_BUTCH@sals.edu>
Subject: RE: Redwall Books
Our library has cataloged the Redwall in juvenile fiction. We have them
in hardback and multiple paperback and they circulate like crazy.
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:14:11 -0400
From: "Babette C. Wofter" <wofterba@oplin.lib.oh.us>
Subject: Re: Who Killed My Daughter?
Bromann wrote:
>
> I am going to book talk Lois Duncan's Who Killed My Daughter to high
> school freshmen. Does anyone know if Lois Duncan ever found out what
> really happened to her daughter, or know of any articles that tell the
> end to the story (if there is one)?
I just attended a meeting yesterday and learned of a Lois Duncan home
page. She makes reference to another page called the "Kait Arquette"
page which gives updates on what is going on with the case. The address
is http://www.iag.net/~barq/kait.html. Hope this helps!
Babette Wofter, Youth Services Coordinator
Perry County District Library
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:20:36 -0400
From: "Hudson, Sarah" <shudson@plcmc.lib.nc.us>
Subject: RE: Redwall Books
Hi Marilyn and all,
The Redwall series is extremely popular in our library system.
Although the series is popular with both males and females, it seems
to be particularly popular with 5-7th grade males who don't normally
read other types of books. So I'm always trying to find something
to recommend that is "like Redwall".
Our system has some of the series cataloged in J fiction, and some
cataloged with YA fiction. We don't have them all in one collection, and they
seem to be found by their audience.
Hope this helps,
Sarah
Sarah Hudson
Information Specialist
Independence Regional Library
Public Library of Charlotte and Mecklenburg County
shudson@plcmc.lib.nc.us
Opinions are my own, and do not reflect those of the Library
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:17:01 -0500
From: Amy Hogan <AHogan@post.bham.lib.al.us>
Subject: Re: Redwall Books
We have ours in Juvenile Fiction, and if you haven't read these already you
should do so. They are wonderful! They sort of have a reputation among
kids, not as much as Goosebumps, but similar, so I can't imagine that they
won't be read. Every child that I have recommened or booktalked Redwall to
has loved the book, and that usually makes them want to read the others in
the series. I don't think that they will do as well in YA, since cute
little mice are on the covers.
Amy A. Hogan
ahogan@post.bham.lib.al.us
Birmingham Public Library
Bham AL
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 9:21:01 -0500
From: MARIEN@ALCON.ALC.ORG
Subject: RE: Redwall Books
Marilyn... They WILL get read! I think every 5th and 6th grade boy (and many
of the girls, too) in our patron base has latched onto this series. We have
them in the juvenile department as the kids around here start reading them in
the latter half of their 4th grade year. This does not stop the middle and
high schoolers from coming after them. (If I had the $$ I would think of
adding additional copies in the YA section)
If your director is still unsure that they will get read if they are placed in
the Juvenile collection, you could put them in the YA dept. and every once in a
while put them on display in the Kid's room. They'll go out!
(wait until you get a copy of THE GREAT REDWALL FEAST and debate on whether to
make it an EASY or JUVENILE book :) oh the dilemmas we face!)
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Marie Noe (915) 676-6067
Librarian II Abilene Public Library
Abilene, TX
marie.noe@alcon.alc.org
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:19:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rebecca Hastings <rhasting@vlc.lib.mi.us>
Subject: level of service
dear pubyackers, our library is in the process of establishing a level of
service policy for its combined department of reference and youth
services. does anyone have a policy stating to what lengths one goes for
a patron on the phone, in the library, legal and medical reference,
homework questions? i would appreciate any suggestions. thank you. r.
hastings
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:48:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Mary Johnson (amk)" <mjohnson@wlsmail.wls.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Re: Redwall Books
Gosh, Marylin! We have the whole series in children's, and they
certainly do circulate, mostly among the 5th to 7th graders - te middle
school actually placed them on the summer reading list a year or two
ago! I think children's migt be a better bet than YA, though young YAs
are the primary readers - fantasy fans just tend to read what they like,
I think, and don't fuss about age levels. But we also tend to have some
pretty advanced readers in our children's room. Hope this helps
Mary Johnson (mjohnson@wls.lib.ny.us)
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:55:01 -0700
From: "Bridgett Johnson" <bridgett@lewis-carnegie-library.org>
Subject: Re: audio recommendations
Patty, I was going to send directly to you, but it got so long, I
think I'll send it to the list. I only have a small budget but I am
building a pretty good audio collection. Lynn Reid Banks' books are
very popular, old classics are good, Where the Red Fern Grows, Sign
of the Beaver, Old Yeller, Gulliver's travels, Sherlock Holmes.
Redwall series is very popular. Bruce Coville, Roald Dahl, Madeline
L'Engle, Cooney are popular. Boxcar children, Betsy Byars'
mysteries, The set about Beethoven Lives Upstairs and Tchaikovsky
Discovers America and there is one other are very popular.
Basically I've found my population likes to use them traveling, or
for late bed time listening. So they like to have the longer tapes
that they couldn't afford to buy. They also like the older classics
alot, especially if its parents picking out the tapes. They tell me
that their whole family loves the stories.
For the little kids, the music-songs are popular and the book and
tape together seem to be the most checked out. Movie ty-ins are very
popular too.
I order alot from Listening Library (1-800-243-4504) because 1. They
offer a good and popular selection and 2. they replace tapes for free
for a lifetime. That saves alot of hassle especially if you don't
keep track of exactly when they were ordered.
Another one that has a good selection is Recorded Books, Inc. But
they will only replace the tape the 1st year free. then its $8.00.
Avoid the tapes that are partially recorded unless you have special
requests for them or mark them separately. They are very fustrating
when you've checked them out for along car trip or just listening
while you are doing something else and the book just quits. Telling
you to read the rest of the story.
Good Luck!
Bridgett Johnson,Youth Services Librarian
Lewistown Public Library, 701 W. Main, Lewistown, Montana 59457
(406) 538 - 8559 bridgett@lewis-carnegie-lib.org
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:11:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tamara Jones <tammycjk@yahoo.com>
Subject: Spanish resources
I would love to hear from someone who has some experience doing a
preschool story time in Spanish. We are a small public library with a
growing Hispanic population. We have offered story time in Spanish as
a special event twice in the past without much turnout. Although I am
far from fluent, hopefully I can speak well enough to do a monthly
story time :). Actually I do have an native speaker who has
volunteered to help in whatever way is needed.
Some of the questions I have are these:
How often do you hold your story time? We are a small public library.
Our regular story time (in English!) is one a week. I was thinking
of doing these just once a month because we have a limited number of
books in Spanish(at this time)and I'm not sure if there will be any
response from the Spanish-speaking community.
Are there some sources for fingerplays, activities written in Spanish?
I have a couple of books including "Los Pollitos Dicen" "Las
Nanas de
Abuelita", but I desperately need more sources for these and am not
fluent enough to translate the ones I know in English.
We are starting to order books in Spanish language. What type of
books circulate the best at libraries with a Spanish collection?
Books written in English that have been translated into Spanish or
books written by Spanish authors?
What type of publicity has been used successfully? We have received
some grant money to purchase Spanish materials and we want to let the
community know that the material will be here. I know each
circumstance is different but if you have a successful story please
share it with me.
I'm sure we can't be the only library grappling with the questions
that we have. If you have similar experiences, email me directly.
TIA for your help!
==
Tammy Jones TAMMYCJK@YAHOO.COM
Children's Librarian
Forest Public Library, Forest, MS
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:00:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sala <msala@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Re: introduction
Dear Heather - I am also still a student (at Queens College, NY), and
joined several listservs for
an internet course. I have stayed on PUBYAC because it is VERY active.
Just about everything is discussed - cataloging, collection development,
programming, security policies and of course many many stumper type
questions. Everyone is eager to help with any kind of request. You will
probably get more responses than you can handle! I work as a trainee in a
Childrens room and have found this listserv a real help. I know have a
large collection of hello/goodbye songs, tons of programming ideas, and
have answered several stumpers for colleagues. Welcome to the list and
good luck this semester! - Meg
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:21:16 +0000
From: kmongeon@cwmarsmail.cwmars.org
Subject: CD-Rom Core collection
We will soon be getting a computer for CD-Rom in the Children's
room. We will only have one computer at the present and I am looking
for recommendations of CD-s to buy. Since we will only have the one
computer, I am interested in CD's to be used primarily for homework
help and reference. If you have any you really like, would you send
me the information. Also, do any of these CD's require Internet
connections?
Thank you,
Kathy Mongeon
Auburn Public Library
Auburn, MA
kmongeon@cwmarsmail.cwmars.org
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:48:55 +0000
From: "Bette Ammon" <bammon@missoula.lib.mt.us>
Subject: Re: Redwall books
"Nobody will read them" Pshaw!
Missoula Public Library shelves them in the YA section - the
readers are mostly 5-8th graders, plus lots of adults!
Bette Ammon
Bette Ammon, Director http://www.missoula.lib.mt.us
Missoula Public Library 406.721.2005
301 E Main fax 406.728.5900
Missoula MT 59802 bammon@missoula.lib.mt.us
"Be careful about reading health books, you may
die of a misprint." Mark Twain
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:12:35 -0400
From: Bonnie Lalor <bonnie.lalor@kplus1.aces.k12.ct.us>
Subject: Re: Redwall Books
In our collection we have the Redwall books in our YA collection, with very
good circulation.
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:25:45 +0000
From: "Marjorie Karp" <karp@tln.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Movies at Public Libraries
It goes without saying how much we all appreciate having this
listserve to bounce ideas off. So here I am again, saying thank you
to each of you for the time you spend reading and responding.
Okay, enough....Here's the question: My library is considering
showing entertainment type videos/movies. We would like to appeal to
the age group of 4 to 8 (during a school break) and were wondering if
anyone has done this recently and felt it was a fun hour for the
kids? Also, are there any distributors who are easier to deal with
than others in regard to copyright laws? Any other valuable
suggestions or hints are deeply appreciated. Thanks so much in
advance. Please respond to Margi at karp@tln.lib.mi.us
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:51:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Carol L. Hranko" <hrankoca@oplin.lib.oh.us>
Subject: Re: pubyac V1 #432
Sally:
I used this craft once, but as a Christmas treat for my Story Hour
children. The sample I had used a package of gum for the train body, 4
pennies for the wheels and a Hershey's kiss for the smoke stack. There
was gold string around the gum package so it could be used as a Christmas
tree ornament. I used hot glue - so, of course, the children didn't help!
However, the idea of the ornament didn't last long, the kids had the
pennies off and the candy and gum gone before half of them left the
building!
Hope this helps!
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 06:53:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cynthia Bishop <cybishop44@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Redwall Books
Hi, Marilyn,
My Redwall books circulate constantly, so have faith!
Everyone in the system I work for has the series in juvenile fiction.
Cynthia Bishop, Onondaga Co Public Library, NY
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:12:06 EDT
From: Susan259@aol.com
Subject: Re: Redwall Books
We argue about this one all the time. Most are in junior fiction, but a few
are in young adult--somethng about being more "violent " than the
other
titles. (Not my idea) It has been my experience that they are read by people
of all ages including adults. I personally think whatever you do you should
keep them together.
Susan Byerly
Children's Librarian
W.O. Haggard Library
Plano, Texas
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:59:13 -0700
From: Edmonds Library Reference Dept <edmref@sno-isle.org>
Subject: request: curricula for internet instruction for children in public
libraries
We'd like to set up some instructional sessions for children to learn to
surf the internet in the public library. Our library system has created
some leaflets and a short lecture for adults, but it's not intended for
use with children. If you have curricula suitable for children, would
you please share them with us? Thanks in advance!
Jonathan Betz-Zall, Children's Librarian, Edmonds Library, 650 Main St,
Edmonds WA 98020 (425)771-1933 edmref@sno-isle.org
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:27:29 -0700
From: Jill Patterson <jpatterson@ci.glendora.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Redwall Books
I've put them in my Young Adult department. They are checked out
constantly! If I didn't have a YA area, I would have put them with science
fiction. I wouldn't put them in the children's collection, though there is
a picture book depicting a banquet at Redwall.
Jill Patterson jpatterson@ci.glendora.ca.us
Glendora Public Library 140 S. Glendora Ave. Glendora, CA 91741
Tel: 626/852-4896 FAX: 626/852-4899
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:43:20 EDT
From: "Lisa Prolman" <lprolman@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Redwall Books
Not going to read them??!?!?? We have two copies of each book and
generally a corresponding reserve list of three to eight names for each
book. Our Redwall books are catalogued in our j-ficiton catagory (with
our chapter books), and are sought out by children, parents, and
grandparents. I'd start by having them on a new book display with signs
announcing your new arrivals, and then sit back and enjoy.
Good luck!
Lisa Prolman
Assistant Children's Librarian "All things considered,
Greenfield Public Library insanity may be the only
Greenfield, MA reasonable alternative."
(413)772-1590
lprolman@hotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:08:56 -0400
From: Mary K Chelton <mchelton@erols.com>
Subject: Help please
I am updating my course syllabus for Public Library Services for Youth and
would appreciate librarians on the list taking any time to let me know what
they wish new hires in this area knew coming out of library school. The
last time I did this survey, I stripped personal names out of the replies
and merged them into a single file that I printed off for the students.
Thanks,
Mary K
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Associate Professor
Queens College/GSLIS
65-30 Kissena Blvd.
254 Rosenthal Library
Flushing, NY 11367
Voice: (718) 997-3790
Fax: (718) 997-3797
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