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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:18:06 -0400 (EDT)
To: pubyac-digest@nysernet.org
Subject: pubyac V1 #439

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:15:07 -0500
From: Deborah McClish <Deborah@rockford.lib.il.us>
Subject: Jim Aylesworth

Good Morning,

Has anyone ever seen a program done by Jim Aylesworth? If so, does he
interact well with children? What kind of speaking style does he have?
We are thinking of having him do a program for our summer reading club
next summer. However, I would like to know how his presentations are
before setting up a program.

Thank you!

Deborah McClish
Librarian, Youth Services
Rockford (IL) Public Library
deborah@rockford.lib.il.us

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:00:23 EDT
From: BSH5587@aol.com
Subject: Re: pubyac V1 #433

I recently heard Lois Duncan speak, and although she feels they are coming
closer to solving the case of her daughter's murder, it is still open. Lois
Duncan has her own home page at www.iag.net/~barq/lois.html. Her e-mail
address is
duncarq@interpath.com

I have e-mailed her in the past and she has responded. Hope this helps.

Brenda Hauck
Swanton Public Library

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:00:18 -0700
From: Jill Patterson <jpatterson@ci.glendora.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Paraprofessional Titles

Yes, we do, but working the reference desk is only part of their jobs. In
our case, these paraprofessionals are also in an MLS degree program. Their
title is Library Technician, a title that can be used for other positions
not involving reference work.

Our administration does include a paraprofessional who is head of
circulation services and an outreach coordinator. Both are "mid managers",
the position directly below the director.


Jill Patterson jpatterson@ci.glendora.ca.us
Glendora Public Library 140 S. Glendora Ave. Glendora, CA 91741
Tel: 626/852-4896 FAX: 626/852-4899

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:25:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mary J Soucie <mjsoucie@starbase1.htls.lib.il.us>
Subject: RE: children's Librarians are "Real" Librarians

Dear PUBYACKERS,
Hi! I always find it sad when I hear comments like these (YS librarians
don't do real work...etc) from my peers. My mom has been a reference
librarian for 18 years and I started as a public YS librarian in '94. From
the public library, I went to a school library and then onto my current
position. We tease each other all the time about which job is more
important, harder, etc. but we each respect the other's position- and
neither of us would want to switch departments. Becuase of that, I always
expect my coworkers to respect me, professionally, as I respect them
professionally. Each department is important to the whole. I hope that
we can continue to advocate for ourselves, and YS librarians from all
over.
Vicki- keep your chin up and let them know how important you are!

Mary J. Soucie
Youth Services Consultant
Heritage Trail Library System
815-729-3345 x110
mailto:mjsoucie@htls.lib.il.us

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:13:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: Angela Christianson <achristi@prairienet.org>
Subject: 100 novels of the 20th century

I was just searching our opac for a display of the Modern Library top 100
Novels of the 20th century and was wondering if something similar was in
the works for either YALSA or ALSC divisions of ALA. Does a
childern's/young adult best books of the 20th century list exist? If
not, anyone care to start one? I'll compile if people want to send their
suggestions to me...

Angela

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Angela R. Christianson
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
achristi@prairienet.org
achristi@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:32:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: Angela Christianson <achristi@prairienet.org>
Subject: URL for "100 Picture Books that Everyone Should Know"

I located the URL for NYPL's booklist "100 Picture Books Everyone Should
Know." It is located at :

http://www.nypl.org/branch/kids/gloria.html

Hope this helps some,
Angela

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Angela R. Christianson
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
achristi@prairienet.org
achristi@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:52:57 -0400
From: Sherri McCarthy <smccarth@mcls.rochester.lib.ny.us>
Subject: J and YA Duplicate Shelving

The Redwall debate brings up a question of mine: Are there some books
you generally duplicate in J and YA? I'm thinking a YA patron might be
reluctant to go to the J section for books. Candidates might be
Madeline L'Engle's books, Nancy Drew?, even the Dear America series or
Animorphs. (Not to mention the dreaded disappearing Garfield books!)
I'd like to hear more about what y'all do, especially if you can mention
specific titles or series.

Sherri McCarthy
Penfield Public Library
1985 Baird Road
Penfield, NY 14526

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 19:26:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeri Kladder <jkladder@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: Re: "real" reference librarians

Isn't it sad that the American Society (and supposedly enlightened
librarians) have such a low regard for children and the people that serve
them? Can't they see that the children are our future--including the
future of the libraries we work in--and it takes a great deal of effort
and talent and determination to turn them into the kind of people we want
running things when we get ready to enjoy our retirement?
And isn't it sad that adult services librarians dislike their jobs so much
that they think we can't possibly be doing anything worthwhile if we
actually enjoy children's library service? I celebrate the day I found my
calling in children's librarianship in public libraries.

Thankyou for the soap box. I'll go quietly now and prepare for
tomorrow's storytelling program planning session. - jeri

Jeri Kladder, Children's Librarian & Storyteller
jkladder@freenet.columbus.oh.us
Columbus Metropolitan Library
Columbus, Ohio

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:40:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Diane P. Monnier" <dmonnier@capaccess.org>
Subject: Re: pubyac V1 #435

I would use Royal Icing if I were making the candy train Sally Warburton
inquired about. You can buy the royal icing mix at any cake decorating
store or an MJDesugns type craft store which sells cake decorating
stuff. That way you can be sure the kids can eat all the parts of the
train should any of the candy become unwrapped. I think this would work
for preschoolers if you had enough adult help. Have fun - Diane Monnier,
Bethesda Regional Library, Bethesda, Maryland.

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:31:17 -0400
From: janebu@ccfls.org (Jane Blaguszewski)
Subject: Re: Redwall Books

Marilyn:

We put Redwall in children's and in the adult science fiction/fantasy
secions. They circulate constantly in both places.

Jane Buchanan
Meadville Public Library
Meadville, PA

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:30:12 -0400
From: Lesley Gaudreau <lesley@seabrook.lib.nh.us>
Subject: 5th grade visit

Hi all,
I didn't get any suggestions for my query about the 5th graders, but
several people did ask me to share, so here is what I did (this
morning):
I did a scavenger hunt to help the kids get used to the online catalog
and to get comfy in the library, finding things etc. Part of the hunt
included finding books of different genres. Once that was done I talked
to them about choosing books. Started off with the suggestion of peer
recommendations and lots of kids volunteered to do mini "booktalks"
about a book they had read & liked over the summer. Then we talked
about genres ("types") of books & I used some of the books they had
gathered in the hunt to give examples of genres. Then I gave them some
connections between interests & genres, ie: If you are into computers,
you might want to try Sci Fi (booktalked New World by Cross - a virtual
reality sf book), If you are into hockey...(Wolfbay Wings series), etc.
I'm not really sure how well it worked for teaching them about how to
choose books, but they checked out some of my examples. Then we talked
about award winning books, especially the NH kids book award (Great
Stone Face Book Award) since we encourage the kids to read the nominated
books & vote for their favorite.
I still would like to come up with a "dating" game style program, so if
anyone has any ideas, send them on!

lesley
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***Please notice new e-mail address***
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Lesley Gaudreau
YA/REF Seabrook Library
Seabrook, NH
lesley@seabrook.lib.nh.us

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:59:39 -0500
From: Reed Williams <williamsr@clpgh.org>
Subject: Circulating Laptops

I have a question for the oh-so-wise collective of pubyac.

Have any of your libraries ever circulated laptop computers? If so, did you
encounter problems? What were they?

I would appreciate *any* feedback on this idea, as I'm in the process of
plotting a proposal...

Please write directly to me at williamsr@clpgh.org and I would be happy to
compile responses to send to the list if anyone's interested.

Thanks a bunch.

reed williams
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Reed Williams
Young Adult Librarian
Humanities Department
Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh
williamsr@clpgh.org
412-622-3119

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:06:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: Vicky Schoenrock <vschoenr@nslsilus.org>
Subject: Vegemorphs

Okay, has anyone heard of this? I swear a kid asked for it. Is it like
animorphs except they turn into vegetables?

Or is that veggie tales?

Vicky Schoenrock, Children's Dept. Manager
Waukegan Public Library, 128 N. County St. Waukegan IL 60085
Phone: 847-623-2041 Fax:847-623-2092
vschoenr@nslsilus.org

"My brain hurts!" - Mr. Gumby

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:43:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Walter Minkel <walterm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us>
Subject: Re: "real" reference librarians

It really burns me whenever I read or hear about an adult librarian who
feels he/she is "better" than you because he/she works with adults and
(this is a big part of it) answers questions involving stocks, business,
and money. Making money is the true religion of this country, and the bias
against children's services staff is simply part of the culture-wide
prejudice Americans have against anyone whose job involves children.
Children have no money of their own and generate no income, and in our
consumer/capitalist culture that means "low-status" and "unimportant." The
younger the child (and we public library youth librarians focus a lot of
our work on the youngest children and their parents), the lower the
status, too.

Part of our problem is that we're not using jargon appropriately. Work
hard on memorizing those Developmentally Appropriate Practices, and
quiz your adult reference counterparts on when children are readly for
small-motor manipulative activities, when they are able to visually track
across the midline, or... well, you get the idea. 8-{)> Tell them how
you're systematically building young people's pre-literacy skills in such
a way as to give them a head start on reading instruction once they begin
school. Any other good ideas, folks?

You know how important what you do is. Smile at your adult counterparts,
but hold back a little bit. You have some secret knowledge they'll _never_
comprehend. --W

Walter Minkel, School Corps Technology Trainer
Multnomah County Library, 205 NE Russell St., Portland, OR 97212
Voice (503)736-6002; fax (503)248-5441; walterm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us
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Look! A Toyota! Kool! --Palindrome of the Month

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:15:40 -0400
From: Jane Connor <janec@leo.scsl.state.sc.us>
Subject: Re: pubyac V1 #434

pub------------------------------
A good source for authors and titles of Christian fiction--meaning those books published by religious presses is Barbara Walker's book Developing Christian Fiction Collections for Children And Adults.(Neal Schumann, 1998). It contains a good core list.

> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:18:31 -0500
> From: DLHIETT <dlh@greennet.net>
> Subject: Christian literature needed
>
> Greetings All,
> Help, I have a patron who is home schooling her 6th and 8th graders and =
> she is looking for a list of good Christian Literature for her children. =
> I knew I just recently came across the list on this list-serve but now =
> it's lost in cyber-space. Does anyone still have the list? You can =
> e-mail me at dlh@greennet.net if you prefer not to post it again. TIA
> Deb
>
> ------------------------------

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:45:39 -0500
From: Kim Heikkinen <catlover@netwrx1.net>
Subject: Re: Children's librarians vs. "Real" librarians

I myself have never felt less of a librarian for being a Children's
Librarian, nor have I experienced any bias from Adult Librarians--if
anything, they seem to feel we have a more difficult job! However, I was an
Extension (bookmobile) librarian, which department was under the auspices of
the Children's department, and *that* situation...well, it's a whole other
story!!!

Kim Heikkinen
Children's Librarian
Franklin Public Library
Franklin, WI

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:19:00 PDT
From: "annie leon" <annie_leon@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re:

I think the disregard in which anyone in this country who works with
children is held is an indictment of the values of our entire society.
I used to think it was a "pink collar ghetto" thing--fields with mostly
women only seem to experience salary increases when men start taking the
jobs. But I think that children are very much throwaways in our society,
with hardly any rights or status. Bravo to the teachers who--in some
areas-- are finally getting the respect (and pay) they deserve. I am
always enraged by the thoughtless comments of some of my so-called
enlightened "adult" colleagues regarding Youth Services specialists. If
administrators amd analysts who are puzzled over why we have a critical
shortage of YS Librarians would get their heads out of the clouds for a
minute, they'd see that the lack of support and respect is intolerable,
especially in a field where we earn the same salary as an "adult"
reference librarians yet are expected--in addition to providing quality
reference service, collection development etc.--to create original
programming 5-8 times a week, plus continual bibliographic
instruction/tours etc to students, AND take home all the
craft-preparation,prop-building etc. that goes along with providing
literary experiences for youngsters. I don't know of that any other
entry-level librarian category that takes home as much work as we do.
Like teachers and cops, ours is a job you've got to love to stick
with--but we really need to get a profession-wide conversation going in
order to improve the perception of the work we do, and it's value to
society as a whole.--Now, I need to go take a nap--all this ranting has
worn me out!

that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:17:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Melissa Karnosh <emmelisa@bc.seflin.org>
Subject: Youth services as "real" librarians

Here we go again. Where the Adult Services librarians get the idea that
our jobs are easier (and thus, by implication, less important) than
theirs, I'll never understand. But many of them do have that notion, and
it's surprisingly hard to disabuse them of it.

At one time, my library had vacancies for both Y.S. and A.S. staff at the
same level, and the Head of Reference and I were team interviewing
folks from a list of candidates. Of course, each of us described the
specific duties of our respective departments' positions, and I *always*
made a point of having the Head of Reference describe her position first.
Her description went something like, "The position involves working some
nights, some early mornings, alternate Saturdays and occasional Sundays.
The work consists of public service at the Reference Desk for anywhere
from four to six hours daily; off-desk duties include collection
development in a specified area of the collection, creating
bibliographies for specialized topic areas, and occasionally offering
tours of the department, leading bibliographic instruction classes,
and/or working directly with patrons in teaching them to use the online
catalog and other computer databases. You will also be expected to
regularly attend computer and other training workshops and seminars so as
to keep your skills up to date."

Then I would say, "And in the Youth Services Department, you will have
all those responsibilities, PLUS creating and presenting one storytime
each week, doing outreach to schools, pre-schools, daycares, and other
organizations, assisting in preparing and presenting special craft or
activity programs for a variety of ages, speaking at Career Days,
performing at local festivals when requested, and helping to run a Summer
Library Program that routinely signs up 1800-2000 kids. Your other
off-desk responsibilities may include coordinating the Teen Volunteer
Program, ordering materials for our circulating toy collection and seeing
that that collection is kept in good condition, or locating outside
speakers and arranging for them to present programs at the library."

It drove the Head of Reference nuts, but it WAS a truthful comparison of
the work levels of the two positions. In my experience, many people who
are in Adult Services couldn't handle the volume and type of work that we
in Youth Services consider routine. This is not to disparage Adult
Services librarians, but rather to point out that we Youth Services folks
are a special breed--we are Youth Services Specialists, just as some
Adult Services librarians are Science Specialists, or History
Specialists, or Genealogy Specialists.

And I for one am dam' proud of it!

Melissa Karnosh
Head of Youth Services
Broward County South Regional/BCC Library
Broward County, FL

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Why is it that if you tell someone there are 400 billion stars, they believe
you--but if you tell them it's wet paint, they have to touch it?
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emmelisa@bc.seflin.org

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:56:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Susan LaFantasie <susanlaf@pcl1.pcl.lib.wa.us>
Subject: RE: Redwall Books

Hi! Most of ours are shelved in the YA area. They circulate well. I
love this series!

Susan LaFantasie, MLS
susanlaf@pcl.lib.wa.us

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:34:24 -0500
From: Terri Norstrom <tnorstrom@fpld.alibrary.com>
Subject: RE: COMIC BOOKS

For use in building a core collection look at Publishers Weekly, October 11, 1993 issue.The title is "Comics: A User's Guide."

Good Luck,

Terri Norstrom
Fremont Public Library

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:48:14 -0600
From: "Mary Ann Nelson" <Mnelson@weberpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: Redwall Books

The YA fiction section is where our Redwall books are shelved, which do indeed have a healthy circulation.


Mary Ann Nelson
Librarian
Weber County Library
Ogden, Utah

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:32:22 -0500
From: DLHIETT <dlh@greennet.net>
Subject: RE: Christian lit TY

Greetings,
Thank You to all who sent the Christian book lists and review sites. You people are really terrific.
Deb

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