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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:01:59 -0500 (EST)
To: pubyac-digest@nysernet.org
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:24:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Julie Albright - Central Services - Ventura Public Library <vclsaj2@rain.org>
Subject: Re: adults using Children's Room Internet terminals
We have a terminal in our children's room that is restricted to children's
use ONLY during our homework center hours Monday - Thursday 3 to 5 pm, and
a pc is similarly marked. We have had to remind adults a couple of times
that they can't use them during this time, but it really has not been an
issue. We have a highly visible sign to point to if we need to. The only
argument we ever had was with an adult student who felt he had a right to
use this computer because he was a "student", and that we shouldn't
kick
him off the machine. We told him he would have to sign up with the
homework center if he wanted to make use of its assets, but he didn't want
to go that far!
Julie Albright, Children's Librarian, Ojai Library
vclsaj2@rain.org
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:58:58 -0500 (EST)
From: maureen lerch <lerchma@oplin.lib.oh.us>
Subject: Re: Looking for new craft ideas for YA's
Hello pubyaccers,
One craft idea that girls tend to enjoy is a "friendship day" with
a demonstration of how to make friendship bracelets (from that
cross-stitch floss) and friendship pins made from large safety pins and
beads. Floss can be purchased in packages that have lots of color
varieties, and beads can always be provided by some staff member that
saves everything! If you don't know how to make friendship bracelets,
Klutz has a nice book that has easy instructions, or grab a teen who knows
how to do it. I would suggest providing yarn to teach the knotting
techniques, it's easier to learn the essentials that way. When I did the
program a couple of teens decided to wrap my hair with the floss, which
looked somewhat nifty.
Another craft idea that all ages enjoy is recycling last year's
Christmas cards into new cards and bookmarks. Staff members could donate
the cards, all you need to supply is glue, construction paper, glitter and
some floss for the bookmarks. Just let them go to town!
A more expensive craft is candlemaking, but that will most
certainly draw a crowd!
Good luck! Craft ideas are always a big draw for teens.
Maureen :-)
Maureen T. Lerch, MLS
Young Adult Librarian
lerchma@oplin.lib.oh.us
* Orrville Public Library *
* 230 North Main Street *
* Orrville, Ohio 44667 *
* (330)683-1065 / fax (330)683-1984 *
* http://www.orrville.lib.oh.us *
On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Kim Campbell wrote:
> Hi! I run a daily afterschool program for YA's and am running out of craft
> ideas. Does any one have any suggestions of fresh ideas? Looking forward
> to hearing some wonderful ideas!!!
>
> Thanks a million
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:00:19 -0500
From: Diane Mayr <bratcat@mediaone.net>
Subject: Population
Hi Pubyackers! I had a thought-- would it be possible for you to put in
the population (#) served by your library, as part of your message
signature, eg. Diane Mayr, Nesmith Library, Windham, NH, pop. 11,000?
This way, we can get some idea of the services offered at libraries of a
similiar size to ours. When I read about a library having 10 internet
stations in the children's room, it makes me wonder how far behind my
library really is. But it could also mean that the library with 10
stations is really behind if the population is 250,000. What do you
think? --Diane
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:06:04 -0500
From: "Mary K. Chelton" <mchelton@pop.erols.com>
Subject: Letter in current Public Libraries
Hi guys!
I had a letter published in the last issue of PUBLIC LIBRARIES suggesting
that by putting a stylized picture of a teenager on a prior issue devoted
to security issues in public libraries, the editor was inadvertently
representing teenagers as major security problems and reproducing the
generalized stigma that attaches to the age group. In the current issue,
there is a rebuttal letter from a public library director in the county
where I now live (although I don't know him) saying that he and all his
colleagues believe that teenagers are the most trouble of any library
users, in security issues and others.
Should the spirit move you to respond in writing to PUBLIC LIBRARIES on
either side of the issue, I would appreciate it. In any case, it's worth
reading and discussing.
Mary K.
Mary K. Chelton
Associate Professor
Graduate School of Library & Information Studies
Queens College
254 Rosenthal Library
65-30 Kissena Blvd.
Flushing, NY 11367-1597
Voice: (718) 997-3667
Fax: (718) 997-3797
Home: 35 Mercury Ave.
East Patchogue, NY 11772
Voice: (516) 286-4255
"Until we extend the circle of our compassion to all living things, we will
not ourselves find peace." Albert Schweitzer
Don't buy puppies in pet stores! STOP PUPPY MILLS!
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:20:29 PST
From: "Erica Sternin" <erica_sternin@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Program on Clothes and dressing warm
This is one of my FAVORITE programs! I crocheted myself a 40 foot scarf
that I use to wrap myself up in after reading The Long Red Scarf by
Nette Hilton. We read Froggy Gets Dressed by Jonathan London and talk
about what a hassle it is getting dressed and undressed in the winter. I
let one of the kids pull on the end of the scarf and then I spinn out of
my long red scarf cocoon. I put up a clothes line across the room and
after reading Mrs McNosh Hangs Up her Wash I hang up various articles of
clothing. Then we read The Hat by Jan Brett. A few children are selcted
to act out the various animals and they choose what item of clothes they
want to wear as hats. It is very hilarious, parents love it-- have a
camera handy!
Erica Sternin
Mukilteo Library
Mukilteo WA
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:40:49 -0600 (CST)
From: Julie Linneman <juliel@wichita.lib.ks.us>
Subject: RE: Warning about circulating CD-ROMs
I have good news for libraries who have seen recent postings on the pubyac
listserv about loan restrictions on Knowledge Adventure's CD-ROM products:
you DO NOT need to worry about copyright violations in loaning these
materials!
After seeing a message from someone about this last month, I called the
customer service hotline to verify if this information was true. I was
told (as some of you may have been) that we were not supposed to loan our
Knowledge Adventure CD-ROMs, even if we were a public library. The
gentleman I spoke with placed me on hold several times to verify this with
a supervisor, and that was the final answer I got. Based on this
information, we recalled all of our Knowledge Adventure CD-ROM products
from circulation.
Subsequently, our Adult Services coordinator was speaking with a sales
representative from a CD-ROM distribution company called Crimson. She
mentioned the problem to the sales rep, who said this was untrue. He
referred her to their catalog, where they reproduce the page from the U.S.
Code, Title 17, section #109, subsections (b)(1)(A)(B) and (C), which
state that "Nothing in the preceding sentence [which refers to copyright
protections of CD-ROMs] shall apply to the rental, lease or lending of a
phonorecord for nonprofit purposes by a nonprofit library or nonprofit
educational institution. The transfer of possession of a lawfully made
copy of a computer program by a nonprofit educational institution to
another nonprofit educational institution or to faculty, staff, and
students does not constitute rental, lease, or lending for direct or
indirect commercial purposes under this subsection...."
Further on, it states "Nothing in this subsection shall apply to the
lending of a computer program for nonprofit purposes by a nonprofit
library. If each copy to a computer program which is lent by such library
has affixed to the packaging containing the program a warning of copyright
in accordance with requirements that the Register of Copyrights shall
prescribe by regulation."
Therefore, it was explained that as long as we leave the publisher's
notices in the packaging explaining about their copyright rules, we can
circulate their product.
The sales rep called Knowledge Adventure on our behalf, and we received a
call back from the owner of the company. She states that Knowledge
Adventure was purchased in the past year by a new owner. She believes
that it was the previous owner's stance to prohibit use as much as
possible, but that is not the view of the current owner. They have
recently attended a workshop on copyright use of CD-ROMs by libraries, and
they wanted to make it clear that they want to increase their work with
libraries. She also stated that the customer service employee we spoke
with was instructed about their position towards libraries.
Therefore, we reinstated our Knowledge Adventure CD-Roms, and we hope this
will help everyone who is circulating these materials.
Julie Linneman
Youth Services Coordinator
Wichita Public Library
juliel@wichita.lib.ks.us
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:04:51 -0500 (EST)
From: rjessup@whitby.library.on.ca (Rhonda Jessup)
Subject: Grandparents
I am looking for a poem or short prose piece about grandparents. It is for
grandchildren to recite line by line at a 50th anniversary celebration. I
have checked some poetry indexes but could only come up with poems about
grandmas or grandpas--not both. I also checked through some picture books
but no luck. Any ideas out there? I would appreciate any help you could
give me.
TIA,
Rhonda Jessup
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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 20:12:06 -0500
From: "Maeleah K. Carlisle" <mkcarlis@map.com>
Subject: videos for teens with disabilities
I recently had a request for a video to promote a positive self-image
and/or an "I can do it" type of image for teens with a variety of
disabilities. Some have learning disabilities, another autism and then
several other different disabilities. The problem is most of them do
not read above a second grade level and the teacher wanted to expose the
teens to something other than herself reading books. We did not have
any videos and many of our "easier" books had pictures of young kids,
for instance not older than third or fourth grade.
Have any of you had this type of question before or have suggestions of
videos or easy books (below a second grade reading level) for teens?
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Maeleah Carlisle
Children's Librarian
Springfield Library
Springfield, MA
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:49:33 -0600
From: "Susan" <susan@grok.calcasieu.lib.la.us>
Subject: Secular Christmas storytime ideas
Hello All;
I have been requested to ask for new Christmas storytime fingerplays,
songs, short short stories and rhymes. Our Children's Department
frequently presents special programs to as many as 300 young children at
one time and is looking for new ideas to keep them busy and hold their
attention. Thanks for all ideas. Send them to me directly and I'll
compile them for everyone.
Susan Gerhart
Calcasieu Parish Public Library
Lake Charles, LA
susan@grok.calcasieu.lib.la.us
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:33:32 -0500
From: "Alpizar, Marla" <MAlpizar@ci.hialeah.fl.us>
Subject: Job Announcement - Hialeah JFK Public Library
The City of Hialeah Library Division (Hialeah, FL) is accepting applications
for the positions of Librarian I and Librarian II. We are looking for
creative, energetic, qualified applicants with interest and experience in
Children's, and/or Hispanic Librarianship or as a Systems Librarian.
The JFK Library is the main public library for the City of Hialeah. An
extensive remodeling and automation of our library was completed three years
ago. The library currently has more than 91,500 books (with more than 10,800
in the Spanish Collection alone), 1450 videos, 820 audiobooks, and 10,000
music CDs.
In the past four years, our library book budget has increased exponentially,
from $50,000 to $207,000.The library is very heavily used by the community,
especially for educational information needs. It is not uncommon to have
more than 1500 patrons a day in the main library.
Our library computer system - consisting of Galaxy Library Automation
Software, more than 9 Reference databases, Microsoft Office Suite, and
library-wide T-1 Internet access - runs on a state of the art Windows NT 4.0
LAN.
Salary range for Librarian I is $21,242 - $42,848. Salary range for
Librarian II is $25,246 - $49,036. Starting salary will be based on
qualifications and experience. All positions are full-time civil service
positions with extensive benefit packages. The City of Hialeah provides
merit increases for those who qualify.
Requirements: All applicants must be a US citizen or a legal resident alien
and must have a Master of Library Science from an ALA accredited school of
librarianship. Preferred: Spanish language skills, public library /
children's department / adult reference experience, computer competence.
Hialeah, FL is centrally located in the greater Miami area and has a
population of more than 215,000 - 80 per cent of which is Spanish-speaking
or bilingual. The Miami area has a dynamic economy, wonderful beaches, a
tropical climate, international cuisine, and a variety of cultural
activities. For more information or to apply:
J. Mark Taxis, Director
John F. Kennedy Library
190 West 49th Street
Hialeah, FL 33012-3712
Tel: (305) 818-9140, Fax:(305) 818-9144
email: MTaxis@AOL.com
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:45:30 -0800 (PST)
From: janw@norby.latah.lib.id.us (Jan Wall)
Subject: Re: "New" Thanksgiving stories
Hello to all (and an apology) -
My inbox had a major crash and I lost most of the messages that were sent
about "new" and/or different Thanksgiving stories. :(
So, I'm recreating this from some brief notes and memory. I apologize if I
missed anyone's suggestion.
Thanksgiving/turkey themes:
ONE TOUGH TURKEY Steven Kroll
FRIENDSHIP'S FIRST THANKSGIVING William Accorsi
EATING THE PLATES Lucille Penner
FEAST FOR TEN Cathryn Falwell
HOW MANY DAYS TO AMERICA Eve Bunting
TURKEY POX Laurie Anderson
THANKSGIVING AT THE TAPPLETONS Eileen Spinelli
I KNOW AN OLD LADY WHO SWALLOWED A PIE Alison Jackson
Native American:
MORE THAN MOCCASINS: A KID'S ACTIVITY GUIDE TO TRADITIONAL NORTH AMERICAN
INDIAN LIFE Laurie Carlson
(I know there were more suggestions along this line, but I'm afraid I've
lost them...)
Food related:
LUNCH Denise Fleming
POTS AND PANS Anne Rockwell OR Patricia Hubbell (all I
have is the title for this, so I'm not sure which one was suggested!)
DANCIN' IN THE KITCHEN Wendy Gelsanliter
Thanks:
HEY, AL Arthur Yorinks
The titles suggested most often were I KNOW AN OLD LADY WHO SWALLOWED A PIE
and THANKSGIVING AT THE TAPPLETONS. Many of these titles are still in print
(at least for the season!) and I purchased duplicate or new copies of several.
Thanks for the suggestions - your responses helped me to get over the
"jaded" feeling!
Jan Wall
Youth Services
Latah County Library
110 South Jefferson
Moscow ID 83843
208-882-3925 fax: 208-882-5098
email: janw@norby.latah.lib.id.us
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:42:17 -0600
From: "ROBIN DAVIS" <davisr@ci.farmers-branch.tx.us>
Subject: Practical Resources Web Site
I recently attended a GREAT workshop on web development. As a result, I have
updated my website to make it easier to use. Look at Practical Resources for
Youth Librarians:
http://members.tripod.com/~RGWDavis/index.html
Robin Davis
Youth Services Supervisor
Farmers Branch Manske Library
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:45:19 -0500
From: "Linda Peterson" <lpeterson@bloomfield.lib.in.us>
Subject: Re: Looking for new craft ideas for YA's
Have you tried both sandpainting and sandbottles? We have done a teen
basketmaking class but it takes several hours and we are lucky enough to
have a lady in our community who volunteers to teach the class. The
children have to pay for supplies. We make sure the cost is never more than
$5.
Linda Peterson
lpeterson@bloomfield.lib.in.us
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 20:19:54 -0600
From: DLHIETT <dlh@greennet.net>
Subject: RE: Program on Clothes and dressing warm
Hi Tammy,
You can have the children do the "Snowkey Pokey". It is similar to the
=
"Hokey Pokey" only you substitute names of articles of clothing for
body =
parts. Example You put your hat in, you put your hat out, you put your =
hat in and you shake it all about, you do the snowkey pokey and you turn =
yourself around, that's what it's all about. Use mittens, scarf, boots, =
snowsuit, etc. It's lots of fun and the children really love it. I =
think I got this one from Mailbox mag.
Good Luck,
Deb
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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:39:55 EST
From: Jeanfargo@aol.com
Subject: Stories-to-go plastic boxes--source?
We have a collection of approximately 90 stories-to-go (each containing
puppets, books, and cassettes) which are currently circulated in cardboard
boxes. We would like to purchase plastic containers to replace the cardboard.
Does anyone know of a source for good quality plastic boxes? I have requested
a catalog from Rubbermaid but am also interested in seeing catalogs from other
plastics manufacturers. Has anyone had any experience with hinged-lid boxes?
Pros/cons of different types of boxes?
I'd appreciate any information. Please e-mail me at jeanfargo@aol.com -- I'll
share any responses with the list -- thanks!
Jean Fargo, Youth Librarian
Selby Public Library
Sarasota, Florida
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 98 09:43:59
From: katy@tribbles.nampa.lib.id.us
Subject: Ideas for Partnerships?
Greetings fellow pubyacers,
I am looking for partership opportunities between libraries and other community
organizations to serve children and families. I have Serving families and
children
through partnership a how-to-do-it manual for librarians, I have searched the
net and
I have access to most journals in the library field. What I am looking for is
your
unpublished successful programs (one time or ongoing) in which you partnered
with
another agency (school, organization, business) preferably involving more than
simply
getting money from the other party as in a grant. Send replies directly to me.
TIA
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Name: Katy Curl
E-mail: katy@tribbles.nampa.lib.id.us
Date: 10/31/98
Time: 9:43:59 AM
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 19:04:51 EST
From: Naughyde@aol.com
Subject: National Children's Book Week on the Web
Books Go Everywhere is this year's theme of National Children's Book Week. The
Houston Public Library's celebration of children's literature is SO BIG it
will last for three weeks. This celebration will include an online voting
booth which opens on election day, an art exhibit by NCBW author Diane
Stanley, a great page of children's literature web links, and plenty of
special programs. Visit the NCBW site at:
http://www.hpl.lib.tx.us/youth/ncbw_index.html
Patrick Jones
Manager of Youth Programs
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**
*For information about becoming a youth librarian at Houston Public Library*
*visit: http://www.hpl.lib.tx.us/hr/jobpost.html
*
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:58:16 -0500
From: Lesley Gaudreau <lesley@seabrook.lib.nh.us>
Subject: Re: Looking for new craft ideas for YA's
Hi Kim,
It's hard to suggest any without knowing what you have already done or
how many kids you usually get and how much of a budget you have to work
with. Some popular things we have done include paper airplanes (&
contest), painting T-shirts, making candles (with poured wax crystals),
CD-Rom clocks, origami, "moveable" murals, etc.
lesley
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Books are an amazing human invention. They allow
instant access to information simply by turning pieces
of paper. They are much faster to use than computers.
Surprisingly, humans invented books before computers.
They do many things backward."
>From the Earth Diary of Aximili-Esgarrouth-Isthill
Animorphs #8
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Lesley Gaudreau
YA/REF Seabrook Library
Seabrook, NH
lesley@seabrook.lib.nh.us
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:36:09 -0700
From: sandra richmond <srich@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: limits set on book lending
At 08:32 PM 10/22/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear Colleagues,
> I would be very interested in hearing from public libraries that
>set limits on the amount of children's books that may be checked out by
>one patron at one time. My thanks in advance for your willingness to
>share whatever guide lines you have. Phyllis Fuchs Curtis Memorial
>Library Brunswick, Maine 04011 E-Mail address: pfuchs@polar.bowdoin.edu
>
>
Phyllis,
We limit patrons to 20 books per card. This limit applies to all books in
the library and we set the limit at that number specifically to cover
children's books since parents and teachers checking out easy picture books
tend to check out several books at one time.
_____________________________________________________
Sandra Richmond M.L.S.
Youth Services
Louisville Public Library
950 Spruce Street
Louisville, CO 80027
303-666-6037 x680
fax 303-666-9664
richmonds@louisville.lib.co.us
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:34:25 +0000
From: "Vicky Smith" <vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us>
Subject: Internet Child Abuse
No, I'm not talking about smutty pictures or cyber-pederasts. I'm
talking about those adults who bring their small children into the
library and then proceed to ignore them for (possibly) hours as they
tippity-tap away at the keyboard of the Internet computers. In the
best cases, the children just get crashingly bored. In the worst
cases, babies scream and scream until the parent stuffs a bottle into
their mouths, or toddlers zoom off in every direction, with only the
librarian paying any attention to their ultimate destination. Toys
and books near the computers are good for only a very short while, as
anyone who knows a toddler should recognize. While these children
are not technically "unaccompanied," they are certainly virtually
unaccompanied. Does anyone have a good way of dealing with this?
How to get across to the parent or babysitter that they really can't
surf or chat till their heart's content without calling down some
fearful wrath upon the utterly blameless child? Help!
Vicky Smith
Children's Librarian
McArthur Public Library
Biddeford, ME 04005
(207)284-4181
vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:59:04 -0600
From: Sandy Farmer <sfarmer@hpl.lib.tx.us>
Subject: internet access in childrens room
Janis,
We have 7 terminals in the Children's Room, two of them have printers. In
order to maintain order and keep things moving we have a 20 minute time
limit. When things are slow people can stay as long as they want (no matter
who they are) when things get busy we have a sign in sheet. They sign up for
a 20 minute time period at a certain terminal (they have numbers on them)
and every 20 minutes we ring a cow bell which is loud and annoying and chase
everyone off of the computers and call names and put the new ones on. They
can only sign up for one 20 minute period at a time and this is ruthlessly
enforced. Anyone seated at a terminal that has not signed up can be kicked
off at any time. This does take some staff time during busy periods but I
would much rather do sign up and enforce it than deal with fights over who
gets to use a computer. Also we have a 20 minute policy so even during slow
times we can kick people who perhaps should be in the adult areas off. Since
we started doing this people come in and ask for it and want it since it
allows everyone a chance at a computer and at a spot with a printer.
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E-mail: Sandy Farmer <sfarmer@hpl.lib.tx.us>
Houston Public Library
Date: 10/30/98
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:34:49 -0500
From: Sue Becker <beckersu@oplin.lib.oh.us>
Subject: Re: Kidstuff
Our last issue of Kidstuff is from 1996 as well, so I tried to contact the
publisher with the 800 number. Each time I would call, I would reach a
receptionist who would "take a message" but never call back. After
several attempts, I spoke with someone in
Customer Service who was very vague about when the last issue acutally came out.
His response
was "we publish quarterly" and "a new issue will be coming out
shortly." I explained to him that we have been paying for this each year
since 1996. He said he would "check into it." I haven't heard from him
again. Please let me know if anyone has better l
uck than I did. I would like to know exactly when the last issue was published
and are they
really still in business? Thanks !
Sue Becker
Middlefield Library
Doriene Malloy wrote:
> Fellow Pubyakkers,
> Here's some info on Kidstuff. As far as I know, they are still publishing,
but not on any sort of regular basis. (It's supposed to come out 4 times a year,
and I'm supposed to have a subscription, but my last issue is dated Fall,
1996...I'm go
ing to check on that!) At the very least, they still have back issues available
for purchase.
> Their address is 1307 S. Killian Dr. Lake Park, Florida 33403 The toll-free
number is 800-329-7546
> It's a great resource when it comes...each issue is on a theme and contains
reading lists, crafts, games, fingerplays and other activities, plus bulletin
board ideas and other things for story hours for toddlers, preschoolers and
lower elementar
y children. I just wish it came more often!
>
> Doriene Malloy
> Beech Grove Public Library
> 1102 Main Street
> Beech Grove IN 46107
> 317-788-4203
> 317-788-0489 (fax)
> doriene@bgpl.lib.in.us
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:45:13 -0500
From: Ian McKinney <ianmck@tcpl.lib.in.us>
Subject: Re: Beware CD-ROM license agreement
At 08:34 AM 10/29/98 -0600, Marleen Watling wrote:
>Knowlegde Adventure, maker of the "Jump-Start" CD-ROMs has a
software
license agreement that states, "User may not LOAN (my emphasis), lease,
distribute or transfer the Software or copies thereof..."
>We have removed our Jump Start First Grade from circulation.
>There was a notice on PUBLIB about this problem that was caught by a
technical >services librarian. We have since cancelled our orders for
other Knowledge >Adventure software.
Dear Pubyacers,
It is my opinion that this issue may require more research. Most software
has a prohibition against the "user" loaning the software; but most
software defines the user as the party that installs the software. Most
libraries do not install software that they are going to loan. Are there
similar prohibitions for the "purchaser" of the software?
This is not meant as an expression of any policy, official or otherwise, of
the library I work for. It is simply an observation, based on my initial
reading of the Jumpstart license agreement (both in the software and on the
Knowledge Adventure site). I am not a lawyer. In fact, looking further
into the problem may suggest that, after all, libraries should not
circulate Jumpstart software.
Another problem that may complicate how we view this information: in the
original posting about Jumpstart software, the library contacted Customer
Service. In my experience as a Technical Support Specialist, Customer
Service people don't make policy decisions, they simply say what they have
been told to say. So if someone calls to ask "does this software agreement
apply to me?" they are no doubt instructed to say "YES" in all
cases.
- --Ian
Ian McKinney Tippecanoe County Public Library
Youth Services Librarian 627 South Street
(765) 429-0121 Lafayette, Indiana 47901-1470
ianmck@tcpl.lib.in.us
http://www.tcpl.lib.in.us/youth/
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 16:08:08 -0600
From: Carol & Marcel Erkens <erkens@home.com>
Subject: Re: Help needed--Networkable children's software
Amy...
What you'd need to find out is what protocol the games use to communicate.
If this is IPX and all that is installed on the network is TCP/IP than that
is the problem and vice versa of course...
My guess is though, that these games use IPX (a protocol that's mostly used
on Novell Netware Networks and supported by most networkable games) and the
network protocol is TCP/IP (seems that all those networks these days go to
this wonderful piece of computer communication :) )
In order to find out what protocols are installed on your computer, you go
to Start -> Settings -> Control Panel -> Network. It'll show you a list
of
Adapter(s), Client(s) Protocol(s) and whether or not file/printer sharing
and such things are installed. First find out what the games need though..
then if it's not installed click on Add -> Adapter -> Microsoft -> IPX
((this is just for IPX though) or any other protocol it might need) and
install it... (You'll need to have the Win95 CDRom to do this)
That should do the trick... Let me know if it doesn't :)
Marcel Erkens
At 05:34 PM 10/28/98 -0700, you wrote:
>I am searching for any libraries that are using networked versions of
children's games on their children's area computers. We recently switched
to using Windows 95 for our Children's LAN and lost the ability to use our
networked versions of Grandma and Me and Scooter's Magic Castle. Has
anyone else tackled these problems? Have you found networked versions of
games that work in a Win 95 environment? Our patrons sorely miss Grandma
and Me and we would like to continue using the Living Books products but
are afraid to invest any additional money until we find a solution. Any
help is deeply appreciated. Please reply directly to me.
>
>Thanks! Amy
>
>Amelia Shelley
>ashelley@larm.lib.wy.us
>Manager, Children's/Young Adult Services
>Laramie County Library Sytem
>Cheyenne, WY
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