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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:55:17 -0500 (EST)
To: pubyac-digest@nysernet.org
Subject: pubyac V1 #568
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:43:46 -0500
From: jandersen@carmel.lib.in.us (Jennifer Andersen)
Subject: Re: Encyclopedia and Reference Collection
Hi!
Superkids Educational Software (http://www.superkids.com) and Children's
Software Revue (http://www.childrenssoftware.com) provide great reviews of
all the CDROM encyclopedias for 1999. Our library uses Encarta and World
Book. We will be using World Book Online when we move into our new
building in May.
Good luck!
Jennifer
At 08:36 AM 1/15/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello:
>We will be revising our reference collection in the Children's Department.
>What do you consider to be the top five encyclopedia sets (in book form and
>CD) that are used in your Children's Departments? We like World Book, but
>I'm interested in other useful resources as well.
>
Jennifer L. Andersen
Children's Librarian
Carmel Clay Public Library
515 E. Main St.
Carmel, IN 46032
317-844-3363
jandersen@carmel.lib.in.us
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 20:24:20 EST
From: ALUV4BKS@aol.com
Subject: Re: pubyac V1 #557
In reply to the issue of requiring proof of age, we now require proof of age
for all new first-time program registrants and then keep track of our patrons
on a list. In this way they only have to show proof once. I have no problem
requiring this so that all children will be in the program that is appropriate
for them. Older children won't dominate and too young children won't be
overwhelmed. If patrons have a problem with it they are certainly not
required to attend our programs. It's up to them. But these are our
requirements. They are, we feel, for the enjoyment of everyone for the
children to be the proper age.
Jane Marino
Scarsdale Public Library, NY
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 08:47:30 -0500
From: Jan Chapman <jan@thechief.com>
Subject: Romance genre listings
Hi all:
I am coordinating a display in my library that features YA romance
novels and was wondering if anyone is aware of any good Web sites that
list reviews or recommendations in this specific genre. I can find
plenty of web sites geared to adult romance readers, but am striking out
in the YA romance genre.
Thanks in advance,
Jan Chapman
jan@thechief.com
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"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
little statesmen and philosophers and divines."
Ralph Waldo Emerson, from Self Reliance
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:20:19 EST
From: Exlibrissc@aol.com
Subject: Re: storytime craft "bathtime"
Ivory soap can be carved easily with either a plastic knife or even a popsicle
stick. If you draw a simple shape such as a boat or a fish ahead of time the
children should be able to handle this craft. I have done this craft many
times with children and have been quite successful. Only Ivory soap works,
don't try another kind.
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:01:31 -0500 (EST)
From: "Peggy (Mary) M. Morgan" <pmorgan@tln.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Vietnamese Books
Midpoint Trade Books, Inc. publishes children's books in several
languages, including Vietnamese. You can reach them at 1-800-742-6139,
FAX: 1-913-362-7401. They're in Kansas City, KS.
Peggy Morgan
Youth and Young Adult Materials Specialist
The Library Network
13331 Reeck Rd.
Southgate, MI 48195
734-281-3830, ext. 131
pmorgan@tln.lib.mi.us
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 07:08:48 -0500
From: "phyllis l. danko" <phyllis.danko@rscs.net>
Subject: Re: storytime craft "bathtime"
Dear Eva:
Just finished a bathtime storyhour. Two activities I chose:
1.foam shapes in primary colors ( Foam craft sheets cut out easily. Cost 49
cents/sheet).
For the toddlers I used Mailbox Preschool Magazine's June/July 1997 Parent
Note: "Rub-A-Dub-Dub p. 8 +9. Traced in shapes onto the foam with pencil.
Provided baggies and laminated " bathtime ideas" for parents. The
children
spent the craft time picking out each shape (specific color) and putting it in
their baggie with the note for parents to take home. We then blew bubbles!
2. Whatever Floats Your Boat
Using materials such as styrofoam trays, egg cartons, straws create boats for
the bathtime. See page 7 of same magazine article.
The children went home looking forward to bathtime!
Phyllis
I find Mailbox Magazine invaluable for storytime planning. The Mailbox
Magazine, P.O. Box 51676, Boulder, CO 80323-1676. $24.95 (6 issues). Various
learning levels
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:27:09 -0500
From: "Mary K. Chelton" <mchelton@pop.erols.com>
Subject: Chat Rooms/Of Possible Interest
Topic No. 11
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:54:16 -0800 (PST)
From: "Susan R. Hawk" <hawks@mail.dekalb.public.lib.ga.us>
To: publib <publib@sunsite.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Chat rooms vs. "Real" reference
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.990115075413.21056A-100000@sunsite.Berkeley.EDU>
In this thread, I've noticed that the general feeling is that chat rooms
are somehow less important than the so-called "real" reference
questions.
Yes, we have many patrons, mostly teens, who spend a good chunk of time
chatting on the Internet. We also have many kids who log onto various game
sites and play checkers or basketball or whatever the latest cool video
game is. There are also many kids who spend loads of time on the WWF site
printing pictures of Hollywood Hulk Hogan (and dragging me away from the
reference desk each and every time they want to print because they can't
follow the instructions posted at each station).
Yes, for the most part these activities fall into the category of
"playtime." But can you be sure that's what is really going on?
Let me tell you about a young patron who was in my library a few months
ago. He was about 12 years old, and he was in a chat room. He also had a
notebook, and after he typed his part of the conversation, he scribbled in
his notebook. His mom was standing over him the entire time. To anyone
walking by, it looked like just another little kid in a chat room. Probably
talking to some other little kid, right? Keeping someone with a "real"
reference question from using the computer.
Wrong.
He and his mother called me over for some technical assistance. They wanted
to know if there was any way they could print the chat session. I tried
everything I could think of, but there just didn't seem to be a way to make
it print. That's when I noticed what he was doing in the chat room. He was
interviewing one of the Tuskegee Airmen for a school project. He wasn't
just scribbling in his notebook; he was jotting down the responses from the
gentleman he was interviewing (he had a list of prepared questions). His
hand was starting to cramp from all the typing and writing, so he wondered
if he could just print the interview. He also asked if we had any books on
the Tuskegee Airmen he could check out.
Just a little food for thought the next time you bump someone who is
_merely_ chatting for someone with a "real" reference question.
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Susan R. Hawk, Youth Services Librarian
hawks@mail.dekalb.public.lib.ga.us
Redan-Trotti Library (DCPL)
1569 Wellborn Rd.
P. O. Box 709 PHONE: (770) 482-3281
Redan, GA 30074 FAX: (770) 482-3285
Opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily
represent those of the DeKalb County Public Library.
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Mary K. Chelton
Associate Professor
Graduate School of Library & Information Studies
Queens College
254 Rosenthal Library
65-30 Kissena Blvd.
Flushing, NY 11367-1597
USA
Voice: (718) 997-3667
Fax: (718) 997-3797
home:
35 Mercury Ave.
East Patchogue, NY 1772
USA
Voice: (516) 286-4255
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HELP STOP PUPPYMILLS, VISIT:
http://www.nopuppymills.com
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:59:49 -0600
From: jvandcar@park-ridge.lib.il.us
Subject: Ellison Dies/Ellison Machine
We have had our Ellison Machine and dies for many years, it is a great
machine. We don't loan our dies to anyone because we let people from the
community use it and they count on the dies being here when they come in.
All of our schools and some of our preschools have machines and dies too and
we are free to go to the schools to use their dies when we want. Generally
we buy what we need but we don't make selections based on what the people in
the community want.
Our space is limited so we only have one set of upper case letters and a set
of matching numbers. The schools all own a set of upper and lower for
obvious reasons. Most of our collection consists of items that we have
needed for programs, nametags, etc.
Our school district started with one machine at a central location but most
teachers didn't want to have to travel each time they needed something so
they have built their own collections, often using PTO and other gift money.
Since everyone wants the seasonal stuff at the same time, Apples in
September, Pumpkins in October, etc. the teachers in your area may find that
trading isn't very effective.
I wouldn't worry about it being a big maintenance problem or spend time
developing methods for using, evaluating, weeding, etc. until your
collection grows too large for the space that you have. No one wants ghosts
in March so you can always pack away those that are 'not in season', in the
meantime, enjoy...they are a great low-tech invention!
Jan
Janet Van De Carr
Park Ridge Public Library
Park Ridge, IL 60068
mailto:jvandcar@park-ridge.lib.il.us
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:01:42 -0500
From: schachtc@lcm.macomb.lib.mi.us
Subject: Phone Call
Suggestions solicited please -
I am putting together a bibliography of especially good anthologies of
kids stuff; if you have special favorites please respond to me directly
asap. I am much beholden -
Chuck Schacht
Romeo District Library
Romeo, MI.
schachtc@Macomb.lib.mi.us
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:51:43 -0800
From: drabkin <arcanis@sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Halloween
Mary Johnson asks a good question:
>So, should we be barred from doing any programs that deal with
>cultures other than our own or which may offend some patrons? I am not
>(I hope) being insensitive; I do see the problem, but it seems to me we
>would be better off presenting as many different cultures and religions
>as possible, as accurately as we can. This, after all, is what we try to
>do in collection development. Are books and programs so very different?
In my not-so-humble opinion as a member of a non-majority culture,
there's no reason to avoid doing programs on cultures other than our own,
except -- here's the big EXCEPT -- for the fact that very few people have
the knowledge of cultures other than their own, or the time it takes to
gather such knowledge, that would ensure their not making some pretty
risible faux pas. "Are books and programs so very different"? You bet
your booty they are! The books, one hopes, are written by people who have
researched their topic, who if they are not members of the culture about
which they write, are people who have been close to that culture, and/or
who have consulted members of that culture for checking factual accuracy ,
and/or have maintained an attitude of openness and respect about that
culture. Programs, on the other hand, are all too often put together by
well-intentioned people who in their desperation to do something for
such-and-such holiday, seize upon the most immediately available accessory
or detail or ornament and maybe it's important and maybe it's not, they
don't always know the difference. (An example of this was mentioned in a
previous discussion -- the so-called dreidel made out of a Hershey's kiss
and a toothpick, which has nothing to do with a dreidel other than its
ability to spin upon a point, which is not the point of the dreidel at all.)
So -- provide books on everything, that's what we're for, that's our
job, that's our calling, we're the people who nurture and disseminate
knowledge. But do programs on what you really, truly, authentically know
about. I don't want someone not of my culture trying to do a program about
my culture, and totally falsifying and blanding-down the meaning of what
one of my holidays is about. And I won't falsify yours, either. OK?
(Be honest -- can you really, truly say that you thoroughly understand the
significance of various religious/cultural markers from cultures outside
your own? I've studied other religions intensively for many years, and I
still wouldn't say I know all the matters of significance, as opposed to
those merely peripheral or interesting. Can you say you do?)
Marian Drabkin
arcanis@sirius.com
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:09:58 +0000
From: rdhall@mail.cinetwork.com
Subject: YA Summer Reading Program
I do have the Sizzling Summer Reading Programs book for YA programs (which
is at work and I'm home now) but I do need to ask those of you who offer YA
SRP's, do you count time spent reading, number of books or do you use
contracts? Do you offer incentives and if so what kind? Thank You. I
wish to revise my program. Anne Hall, Youth Services
Anne & Roger Hall
Berea, Kentucky
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:44:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Stephanie Smith <smsmith@ccs.nsls.lib.il.us>
Subject: Re: pictures books without words
In my library, we have an orange round sticker on all the wordless books.
They are shelved with the regular easy books, as opposed to the readers.
They are an excellent pre-reading skill builder, as they incorporate
sequencing, getting clues from the pictures, and other good skills.
Besides the Hoban books, there are the Mercer Mayer books: Boy, a dog, and
a frog and the others in this series, Oops, Bubbles; the Monique Felix
books with the most imaginative little mouse in the world: Plane,
Opposites, Wind, Boat, House, Alphabet, Numbers; Fernando Krahn; Jan
Ormerod; and there are lots of other people who have done just one book.
Steffi Smith
Zion-Benton Public Library
Zion, IL 60099
smsmith@ccs.nsls.lib.il.us
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:54:29 EST
From: Evighet@aol.com
Subject: Mystery game internet address?
*argh!* I accidentally erased the Pubyac message about the mystery game
company that now has a murder/mystery game available for grades 3-5.
I know they had an internet address. Can any good samaritan supply me
with the address or company name? It would be greatly appreciated!!
Thank You!
Chris Jahnke
evighet@aol.com
Great River Regional Library
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:40:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeri Kladder <jkladder@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: Re: Salaries and the Missouri St. Lib.
Well, I, for one, got my MLS (it wasn't really much heartache except for
the computer classes back in the late 60's and early 70's when computer
people had no idea what library people needed and taught accordingly)
because I didn't want to grow up to be a volunteer coordinator. It is
worth every penny of my post-graduate tuition to not have to do many of
the better paying jobs out there. Yes, it is disheartening that our
preparation and experience and expertise is not recognized with the kind
of value we ourselves put on it but...I'm still glad I don't have to do
those other jobs. I like what I do a whole lot! - my two cents, no disrespect
intended, but maybe a little light humor. - jeri
On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Dzierzbicki wrote:
> I know we had a big discussion on salary ranges and professionalism a
> while back, but after reading the job postings from the Missouri State
> Library recently, I just have to bring it up again.
>
> In the posting it listed several postions. Two (Coordinator of Volunteers
> and Children's Librarian) were listed with the same salary range of
> "$30,060". Here's the catch....the Child.'s Lib. position
"requires an
> MLS degree" while the Volunteer's postion "requires Bachelor's
degree and
> two years of appropriate experience."
>
> Now, I understand, first-hand, how time consuming and difficult a Volunteer
> Coordinators position can be, (i am not trying to offend any Volunteer
> Coordinators or the Missouri State Libary, really;-]), but if our MLS
> degrees are only equal to the same salary as that of a Bachelor's degree,
can
> someone explain to me why (outside of personal desire) did we spend all the
> time, money, and personal heartache on completing MLS degrees?
>
> I will get off my soapbox now---thank you for the chance to vent.
>
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> "But wherever they go, and whatever happens to them on the way, in
that
> enchanted place on the top of the Forest, a little boy and his Bear will
> always be playing." A.A.Milne <The house at Pooh corner>
>
> Monica A. Dzierzbicki email: dzierzbi@sls.lib.il.us
> Children's Librarian (630)887-8760
> Indian Prairie Public Library
> Darien,IL
> (formerly of Palos Park Pub. Lib., IL)
>
Jeri Kladder, Children's Librarian & Storyteller
jkladder@freenet.columbus.oh.us
Columbus Metropolitan Library
Columbus, Ohio
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:47:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeri Kladder <jkladder@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: Re: Halloween
I would like to clear up something that seems to have added fuel to a fire
I hadn't intended to start in the first place. My original post described
an Orthodox Jewish mother bemoaning the fact that her children were
constantly bombarded with "Christian" messages in the form of holiday
decorations, MUZAK on the elevators around Christmas time, trees and light
poles decorated with holly and lights, and...Halloween, which she
considered a further example of Christianity while her children, outside
home and synagogue, saw no details recognizing their own faith and
traditions.
The point I was TRYING to make, which I seem to have made rather
poorly was....sometimes we don't perceive the religious connotation that
others outside of the majority culture do. It was honestly the first time
I even thought of Halloween has having a Christian connotation.
It put me in mind of a storyteller at a conference who stated that
no one should object to her story because "Everyone prays to God, no
matter what church they go to." I was offended by her story because she
was making all kinds of assumptions about "everybody" that just didn't
hold true. She was too "blind" to see her own bias.
So, I guess this is a very long-winded way of saying that you need
to tread lightly when it comes to representing religion--yours or anyone
elses. And it is necessary to study and research and know as much as you
can so you don't ignorantly offend people when that offense could so
easily be avoided by doing your homework.
I relinquish my soap box now. - jeri
Jeri Kladder, Children's Librarian & Storyteller
jkladder@freenet.columbus.oh.us
Columbus Metropolitan Library
Columbus, Ohio
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:52:13 PST
From: "Ginny McKee" <ginny1222@hotmail.com>
Subject: Chat Rooms
I recently signed up to get to a chat room to see what they are about
and was most un-impressed. Is it just that I am an older generation?
Do the kids use them and if they do, have there been any problems?
Please send answers to: ginnyme@hotmail.com
Ginny McKee
ginny1222@hotmail.com
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