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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:59:19 -0500 (EST)
To: pubyac-digest@nysernet.org
Subject: pubyac V1 #627

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:44:21 EST
From: LaceyDport@aol.com
Subject: BIB: Cumulative Tales (long)

First of all, I'd like to thank everyone for their *very* helpful suggestions
of tales that featured cumulated text!! I've encountered some wonderful
picture books with which I was previously unaware (my toddler *adores* THE
LITTLE OLD LADY WHO WAS NOT AFRAID OF ANYTHING). I've also come to realize how
many interpretations of "cumulative" exist; and I ended up taking a rather
strict interpretation.

I've been trying to read every suggested book to see what type of cumulation
it was (complete like HOUSE THAT JACK BUILT or internal like GINGERBREAD BOY)
but I think I've ILL'ed enough for now and need to reach closure on this list.
There are actually four lists below: 1) complete cumulative tales, 2) stories
with internal cumulations, 3) stories that are probably internally cumulative
but I wasn't able to verify, 4) stories I wasn't able to verify.

I do hope this list is helpful to others. (If I forgot to include someone's
suggestion, please forgive me. I had a lot of printed e-mails floating
around.) Thanks again for all your help!!

Rebecca Verrill Smith
Simmons GSLIS student


COMPLETE CUMULATIONS
Bringing the Rain to Kapiti Plain Aardema, Verna
This is the Sea that Feeds Us Baldwin Robert
The House that Jack Built Bolam, Emily
Twelve Days of Christmas Brett, Jan
This is the World that Jack Built Brown Ruth
Inside a Barn in the Country (rebus) Capucilli Alyssa
Inside a House that is Haunted (rebus) Capucilli Alyssa
Today is Monday Carle Eric
Miss Mabel's Table Chandra Deborah
Jack's Garden Cole, Henry
Crazy Alphabet Cox, Lynn
Heart of the Wood Davol Marguerite
This is the Bread I Baked for Ned Dragonwagon, Crescent
This is the Star Dunbar, Joyce
Here is the Wetland Dunphy, Madeleine
Here is the Tropical Rainforest Dunphy, Madeleine
Here is the Southwestern Desert Dunphy, Madeleine
Here is the Arctic Winter Dunphy, Madeleine
Here is the Coral Reef Dunphy, Madeleine
Drummer Hoff Emberley, Barbara
Shoes from Grandpa Fox, Mem
This is the House Where Jack Lives Heilbroner Joan
I Know an Old Lady who Swallowed a Pie Jackson Alison
Jump, Frog, Jump Kalan, Robert
A Firefly in a Fir Tree Knight, Hilary
This is the Pumpkin Levine, Abby
The Rose in My Garden Lobel, Anita
The Matzah that Papa Brought Home Manushkin, Fran
The Marvelous Market on Mermaid Melmed Laura Krauss
We're Making Breakfast for Mother (rebus) Neitzel, Shirley
The Dress I'll Wear to the Party (rebus) Neitzel, Shirley
I'm Taking a Trip on My Train (rebus) Neitzel, Shirley
The House I'll Build for the Wrens (rebus) Neitzel, Shirley
The Jacket I'll Wear in the Snow (rebus) Neitzel, Shirley
The Bag I'm Taking to Grandma's (rebus) Neitzel, Shirley
The Twelve Days of Summer O'Donnell, Elizabeth Lee
In Enzo's Splendid Gardens Polacco Patricia
The Cake that Mack Ate Robart, Rose
The Book that Jack Wrote Scieszka, Jon
This is the Bird Shannon, George
The House that Drac Built Sierra, Judy
A Giraffe and a Half Silverstein, Shel
I Know an Old Lady who Swallowed a Trout Sloat Teri
The House that Bob Built Stern Robert A.M.
I Know an Old Lady who Swallowed a Fly Taback, Simms
The King of Kennelwick Castle West, Colin
The Napping House Wood, Audrey


INTERNAL CUMULATIONS
Why Mosquitoes Buzz in People's Ears Aardema Verna
Sitting Down to Eat Harley Bill
The Old Woman and Her Pig Kimmel Eric
It's My Birthday! Oxenbury Helen
Fiddle-I-Fee Sweet Melissa
The Great Big Enormous Turnip Tolstoy Alexei
Possum Come A-Knockin' Van Laan Nancy
Bearsie Bear and the Surprise Sleepover Waber Ira
"I Don't Care!," Said the Bear West Colin
Little Old Lady who was not Afraid of Anything Williams Linda
The Judge Zemack Harve
Henny Penny
Gingerbread Boy
Chicken Licken

WASN'T ABLE TO VERIFY BUT PROBABLY INTERNALLY CUMULATIVE
The Christmas Tree Ada Alma Flor
The Rooster who Went to his Uncle's Wedding Ada Alma Flor
Benny's Pennies Brisson Pat
The Bossy Gallito Gonzalez Lucia
My Little Sister Ate One Hare Grossman Bill
Little Pink Pig Hutchins Pat
The Tree in the Wood Manson Christopher
Old Devil Wind Martin, Jr. Bill
It's a Perfect Day Pizer Abigail
There was an Old Witch Reeves Howard
On the Morn of Mayfest Silverman Erica
By the Light of the Halloween Moon Stutson Caroline
Real Stuck, Way Up Tiffault Benette
The Tiny, Tiny Boy and the Big, Big Cow Van Laan Nancy


WASN'T ABLE TO VERIFY FORMAT
Bertie and the Bear Allen Pamela
Knock Knock Teremok! Arnold Katya
Rat is Dead and Ant is Sad (Pueblo Indian tale) Baker Betty
Jeremy's Tail Ball Duncan
The Truck on the Track Burroway Janet
Fortunately Charlip Remy
It's Too Noisy Cole Joanna
Stella Louella's Runaway Book Ernst Lisa Campbell
Elephant in the Well Ets Marie Hall
Mushroom in the Rain Ginsburg Mirra
Munachar & Manachar: An Irish Story Jacobs Joseph
Lisa Cannot Sleep Kaj Beckman
The Fat Cat Kent Jack
The Tree that Stayed up until next Christmas Kraus Robert
Home Before Midnight Lewis Bobbie
Mike's Kite MacDonald Elizabeth
Too Much Noise McGovern Ann
Bee's Sneeze Nadler Ellis
Dark Cloud, Strong Breeze Patron Susan
Who, said Sue, said Whoo? Raskin Ellen
The Bird and the Stars Showers Paul
One Monday Morning Shulevitz Uri
The Squeaky Door Simms Laura
My Cat Likes to Hide in Boxes Sutton Eve
This is the Hat Van Laan Nancy
The Pig in the Pond Waddell Martin
The Grindstone of God Withers Carl
Oh What a Noisy Farm Ziefert Harriet

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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:01:35 -0800
From: Haidee Parker <Haidee.Parker@rpl.richmond.bc.ca>
Subject: stumper-Boyton

Hello Pubyacers,
I have a patron who is keenly interested in tracking down a book she read as
a child, in the fifties.
The author is Neil Boyton (she says it is not "Boynton"). The book is about
a 12 or 13-year old main character named Pompy Briggs (sp?). It is in the
form of a diary or a journal--"a year in the life of". The patron already
has a copy of a book by the same author called "Nothing Ever Happens to
Me". This is not the one she is looking for, however.
If you have any information, I would love to hear from you at:
haidee.parker@rpl.richmond.bc.ca
Thank you very much.

Haidee Parker
Youth Services Librarian
Richmond Public Library
Richmond, B.C., Canada

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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:39:41 EST
From: JoysApple@aol.com
Subject: Narrative story on africa for an adolescent

Help!! In need of a story to grab a ferious adolescent (7th grader) reader. I
would like the story to also teach a lesson. Any ideas??????

Please reply directly to me.

From: JoysApple@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:09:20 -0500
From: LEVERNEM@spart.spt.lib.sc.us
Subject: RE: art contest

Get locate business owner to be judges. They were glad to help out during out art contest. Leverne

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Leverne McBeth, Branch Assistant
Tri-Pacolet Branch
390 W. Main St. (864) 474-0421
Pacolet, SC 29372 Levernem@spart.spt.lib.sc.us
"Any opinions expressed are those of the individual
and may not reflect the opinions or policies of the Spartanburg
County Public Library."

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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:46:05
From: Jean Canosa-Albano <jcanosa-albano@spfldlibmus.org>
Subject: Millenium programs?

Dear Pubyac'ers,

We are beginning to work on a millenium exhibition to be mounted here at
our library. It will incorporate some of our rare books as well as the
history and future of the book. I am looking for ideas for accompanying
programs that will focus on the millenium. They may be aimed at any age
audience. If you are planning anything like this, I would appreciate
hearing from you, privately, at the following e-mail address:
jcanosa-albano@spfldlibmus.org

Thank you in advance.

Jean Canosa Albano, MLIS
Head of Youth and Outreach Services
Springfield (MA) Library

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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:54:08 -0800
From: "Teresa Laubach" <TERESA@CI.TIGARD.OR.US>
Subject: Online databases for children

Dear All:

The Washington County Library System in Oregon is considering the purchase of Online databases for children (grades 2-8) that cover topics on biographical information of people such as scientists, explorers, and mathematicians and full text access to children's magazines. Does anyone out there currently use any online databases covering these topics and what are your thoughts towards them. We have to go with online resources because they will give patrons throughout the county better access and there is no CD-ROM tower available. Please email directly to me and thanks in advance for your suggestions!!


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Teresa Laubach
Youth Services Specialist
Tigard Public Library
Tigard, OR 97219
teresa@ci.tigard.or.us
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 99 13:59:37 MST
From: smorris@denver.lib.co.us
Subject: Buying Harry Potter

Just wanting to check with other to find out how you are handling the
buying of the new Harry Potter book(s). We were wondering if anyone
is buying directly from Amazon.uk where it is now available and
"dispatched within 24 hours." (Paperback 1 pound -such a deal) This
seems like a more desirable option for us since the America release
(hardback) won't be out from several months. Are others doing this?

Sharon Morris
Selection Librarian
Denver (CO) Public Library
smorris@denver.lib.co.us

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:35:31 -0500
From: "Dana Campbell" <danac@siuslaw.lib.or.us>
Subject: Exit Surveys

As part of my "....and other responsibilities" I have been asked to
create an exit survey for our library. I have copies from Output
Measures for Public Libraries, but I need samples of what libraries
have used.

If anybody has an exit survey they would like to share, please send it
my way. If anybody needs copies of what I do receive, please let me
know. Your help is always greatly appreciated. Many thanks. Dana

Dana Campbell, Youth Services Librarian
Siuslaw Public Library
PO Box A
Florence, OR 97439
(541) 997-3132
danac@siuslaw.lib.or.us












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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:14:16 -0600 (CST)
From: Sandra Grambsch <sgrambsc@owlsnet.owls.lib.wi.us>
Subject: Re: suggestions?

Elaine,

We color code our early readers. For example 1st and 2nd grade easy
readers have a yellow dot on them, 3rd grade have a red dot, and easy
chapter books for about 3rd grade have a pink dot with an E on them.
This has worked out well for us. We tell people if the yellow dot books
are too easy then move to the red dot. That is as far as we have gone
with it.

Sandy
Youth Librarian

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:55:02 -0600
From: "Mary Seratt, Sr.Manager, Main Children's" <SERATTM@memphis.lib.tn.us>
Subject: odd way of categorizing books

Has anyone else out there in library-land noticed folks (teachers,
especially) requesting books by phonetic combination lately? For instance,
it seems as if we have had a rash of requests for things like, "books
with lots of 'sh' and 'th' sounds in it" or "lots of plurals, please".
I don't think I'm getting internally crabby about this yet, but if gets
to be a trend...I can just see us reading books and reviews to select our
collections thinking,"Wow! This one is loaded with dipthongs! We should
order 3 copies!" Mary
Mary Seratt, Sr Mgr, Main Children's
Memphis/ Shelby Co. (TN) Public Library
serattm@memphis.lib.tn.us
****nobody's opinion, just my own thoughts on a rather slow Wednesday night***

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:05:07 -0600
From: "Mary Seratt, Sr.Manager, Main Children's" <SERATTM@memphis.lib.tn.us>
Subject: congrats!

I have not seen anyone else mention it, so I would like to call your
attention to the January/February issue of Public Libraries, where, on
page 17, you will find a nifty blurb about our the generous summer readers
from the library of moderator Shannon VanHemert. Her smiley face is is the
middle of a great picture o the tons of books they were able to donate to
the homeless. Way to go, Shannon!
P.S. It is MURDER trying to write without apostrophes! Mary
Mary Seratt, Sr Mgr, Main Children's
Memphis/ Shelby Co.(TN) Public Library
serattm@memphis.lib.tn.us

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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:21:46 PST
From: "Elaine Moustakas" <elainem9@hotmail.com>
Subject: panda fingerplays

anyone have any suggestions for panda fingerplays/rhymes suitable for 2
year olds? i only found one and it is a bit complicated for kids this
young. thanks.

elaine
"Elaine Moustakas" <elainem9@hotmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:19:31 -0800
From: Rae Kozloff <alib2@sos.net>
Subject: Big Books

We have ordered some from Ingram in the past; just look up
the title and then look
for "Big/E" (big edition). The price is always higher which
gives you a clue, too,
that it's the right thing. Same 40% discount as regular
books, I think.

Rae Kozloff
Anacortes Public Library

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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 18:22:48 -0500
From: "Kid Ref" <kidref@euclid.lib.oh.us>
Subject: internet filtering

Let's forbid divorce. It does a lot more harm than porn. Or let's ban
sugar. How about stricter enforcement of the "no running in the
library" rules? I bet way more than 503 kids have been hurt from
running in the library!

Bonita

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:45:18 -0500
From: SCHAFFNERP@aadl.annarbor.lib.mi.us
Subject: distance learning

I'm posting for a colleague who would like information from public libraries
currently involved in "distance learning" projects. We know of colleges
and universities, but public library information is scarce. (This, by the
way, is certainly not limited to youth services and may not include them
at all.)

She is most interested in knowing
1. What you offer
2. How much staff/staff time is generally involved
3. Public response
4. If you had it to do over again, what would you change (if anything)

Please respond directly to Betsy Baier, baierb@aadl.org

Many thanks!
Paula Schaffner
Ann Arbor (MI) District Library
schaffnerp@aadl.annarbor.lib.mi.us

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:50:35 -0500
From: "Laurie Rose" <lrose@orono.lib.me.us>
Subject: Source for Fairy Tale varients

Hello
I'm wondering if anyone knows of a resource that lists specific fairy tales
with variations both traditional and fractured?
I have a bibliography from PUBYAC ( Feb. 1997) that lists fractured
fairy tales but does not list which tale they originated from.
Any print or web sources would be very much appreciated.
TIA
Laurie Rose
Youth Services Librarian
Orono Public Library
Orono, Maine 04473
lrose@orono.lib.me.us

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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 15:48:07 -0500
From: lauraappleby <lappleby@plainfield.lib.in.us>
Subject: cookie fingerplay

Listed below is a fingerplay I have used. Works well with craft sticks or
even glove puppets.

Five Little Cookies
FIVE little cookies with frosting galore,
mother ate the white one, then there were four.

FOUR little cookies, two and two you see,
father ate the green one the there were three.

THREE little cookies but before I knew,
sister ate the yellow one, then there were two.

TWO little cookies, oh what fun!
brother ate the brown one , then there was one.

One little cookie, watch me run!
I ate the red one, then there were none.

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:54:36 -0500
From: "Deborah Brightwell" <dbright@ci.coppell.tx.us>
Subject: Re: a few requests

We have a very nice children's programming room, but it does have one thing that I would change if I could. The walls were painted blue and white (before I came here.) The white part is okay for hanging light color things on, but the blue is so dark that when I hang lighter colored things on it, it show through and doesn't look as attractive.

Hope this helps!

Debbie Brightwell
Children's Librarian
The Coppell Public Library
Coppell, Texas


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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:27:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Nanci Milone <milone@noblenet.org>
Subject: Y.A. Summer Reading

Hi all!

I just came back from Weston Public Library which was having a "Make and
Take" program for the Summer Reading Theme. It was wonderful and an
excellent opportunity to use the Ellison Dyes to cut out letters and
objects that tie into the whole "Funny Things Happen When You Read Theme."
There was however, little in the way of crafts or programming ideas that
seemed appropriate for the teen scene.

I have been struggling with the whole theme and how to use it in the Y.A.
Department, and my guess is that others have been pondering the concept as
well. Someone has suggested the use of graphic novels, but I tend to
disagree. Graphic novels are not always funny - they're not comics.
There are many that are downright frightening. Does anyone have
suggestions for titles, or programming ideas that they might wish to
share? I would be happy to post a bibliogaphy and a list of all the ideas
folks send in. You can e-mail me directly at milone@noblenet.org

Thanks!
Nanci


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Nanci Milone | Peabody Institute Library
Young Adult Librarian | Peabody, Massachusetts
milone@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange*
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:41:42 -0500
From: coughlin <coughlin@noblenet.org>
Subject: Re: suggestions?

elaine wrote:
>
> hi there-
> i'm curious to know...do any of you label any of the books in your
> collection with "grade" designations (i.e. 1-2, 3-4, 5-6?)

We only separate out Easy books (such as I can read series) for grades 1
and 2
After that all our fiction is together, only divided by genre. We do
get those grade level requests, but I think if you over label the books
the 5th grader who is not a good reader will be embarassed if he need to
take a Grade 3 book, and some parents might prevent an advanced 3rd
grader from taking a grade 5 book. I often tell parents to try the
method of counting how many words the child cannot read on page one to
get a sense of difficulty. We also make up some reading lists by grade
level as this does not permanently label the book.

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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 13:52:25 -0600
From: Carol Reeve <CREEVE@city.winnipeg.mb.ca>
Subject: cookie fingerplay -Reply

Hi, Kendra,

This comes from "I'm a Little Teapot!" by Jane Cobb:

Making Cookies
(suit actions to words)

I am making cookie dough,
Round and round the beaters go.
add some flour from a cup,
Stir and stir the batter up.
Roll them, cut them, nice and neat,
Put them on a cookie sheet.
beat them, count them, 1,2,3,
Serve them to my friends at tea.

Have fun!

Carol reeve
creeve@city.winnipeg.mb.ca

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:02:52 -0500
From: "Stow-Munroe Falls Library, Children's Room" <stowkids@oplin.lib.oh.us>
Subject: Kids designing and presenting programs for kids

Has anyone had young adults plan and present programs for your younger
kids? I would be interested in what types of programs were done, how you
identified the YA's to do the planning and how it all went. Thanks

Carolyn M. Burrier
Stow-Munroe Falls Public Library
Stow OH

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:44:30 -0600
From: Beth Lokken <blokken@owlsnet.owls.lib.wi.us>
Subject: Storytimes on Cable?

Hello all,

Our local access cable company has asked our library if we are willing to
have our storytimes taped for later play on local cable. Has anyone done
anything like this? Do you need to get permission from the publishers
before we use their books? Are there any other tangles we should know
about? Thanks in advance folks.

Beth Lokken
Youth Services Librarian
Door County Library

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:30:17 -0600 (CST)
From: Vicky Schoenrock <vschoenr@nslsilus.org>
Subject: Collection Development

I asked about collection evaluation awhile ago and got almost no response and
some people wanted to know what I found. I will try to pull some stuff
together that I found on the Web but it will take awhile. It seems maybe
that not many people evaluate their collection?

Vicky Schoenrock, Children's Dept. Manager
Waukegan Public Library, 128 N. County St. Waukegan IL 60085
Phone: 847-623-2041 Fax:847-623-2092
vschoenr@nslsilus.org

"Fear less,hope more; Whine less, breathe more;
Talk less, say more; Hate less, love more;
And all good things are yours."
Swedish Proverb

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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:30:51 PST
From: "victoria vannucci" <vvannucci@hotmail.com>
Subject: YA job board

Hello Pubyaccers

Have any YA librarians out there had experience in putting together a
job board in the library? I have had YA's come to me and ask me to hire
them, they need money, but they're not 16. I would like to have a
posting of area businesses/ individuals who are looking for YA's to do
odd jobs, babysitting, etc. I realize that this brings up a number of
security (and, perhaps legal)issues. Has anyone done something like
this? It would be especially needed in the summer.

Please email me if you have at thinkofthat@hotmail.com.

Thanks.

Vicky V.
Euclid Public Library
631 East 222nd St.
Euclid, OH 44123
(216) 261-5399 ext. 138


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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:43:36 -0700 (MST)
From: Lu Benke <lubenke@libsys.ci.fort-collins.co.us>
Subject: Book/Tale Suggestions for Creative Dramatics

Greetings, PUBYAC. I am in the midst of planning a presentation on, among
other things, creative dramatics for preschool children. I have lists of
books and stories that lend themselves to creative dramatics, but they are
all relatively old. Do any of you have ideas of newer books or tales that
you have used for acting out with children? I am especially looking for
stories that have a very satisfying storyline and an easily remembered
text like the Three Billy Goats Gruff or Mr. Gumpy's Outing.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Lu Benke
Lead Librarian, Children's Services
Fort Collins Public Library
201 Peterson Street phone: 970-221-6686
Fort Collins, CO 80524 fax: 970-221-6398
lubenke@libsys.ci.fort-collins.co.us

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:01:11 EST
From: SVADAS4@aol.com
Subject: YA and Children's Literature

I am an MLS student currently taking a class taught by Dr. Mary K. Chelton.
>From class lectures and text book readings I have been inspired to create a
series of visual book displays in the j-fiction, YA range to motivate kids to
read (hopefully). Each display focuses on a specific genre. I realize there
are literally hundreds of sources from which to chose book titles. However, I
want to include books that will really grab the kids and have them screaming
for more. It is my hope that by tapping into everyone's wealth of experience
I'll be able to discover "la creme de la creme" of children's and YA
literature. Please forward all your favorites. Responses can be posted
directly to me at SVADAS4@aol.com. I will be happy to post a list of the
results. Thank you in advance for your knowledge and time.
Ann Swedish - Children's Librarian Trainee
Middle Country Public Library
Centereach, NY

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:28:02 -0600 (CST)
From: Vicky Schoenrock <vschoenr@nslsilus.org>
Subject: Program planning

What is a good way to judge (or is there a good way) how much time you
need to prepare for a program? Say you do an hour program on Valentine's
Day - or a half hour preschool storytime - how much planning do you do? How
much is too much? Can you overplan?
I realize that the experience level of each person comes into play here.
We seem to be spending a lot of time preparing and then the day of the
actual program - we have a low attendance and it seems almost a waste of
time (although I know that the kids who come enjoy it, etc. etc.) I am
just trying to get a handle on how much is enough or how much is too
much!

Thanks

Vicky Schoenrock, Children's Dept. Manager
Waukegan Public Library, 128 N. County St. Waukegan IL 60085
Phone: 847-623-2041 Fax:847-623-2092
vschoenr@nslsilus.org

"Fear less,hope more; Whine less, breathe more;
Talk less, say more; Hate less, love more;
And all good things are yours."
Swedish Proverb

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:08:26 -0500
From: steffens@lcm.macomb.lib.mi.us
Subject: cookie fingerplay

Kendra,
I have used this as a felt story, but I'm sure it's adaptable. It came
from the San Diego County Kindergarten Club.
"The Runaway Cookies"
The cookie jar people
Hopped out one night
When the cookie jar lid
Was not on tight.
The gingerbread man
Opened raisin eyes
ANd looked about
In great surprise.
The frosted bunny
Twinkled his nose
And danced around on his cookie toes.
The sugary duck
Began to quack
ANd shake the sugar
Off his back.
The cinnamon bear
Could only grunt
For he was too fat
TO do a stunt.
The coconut lamb
Jumped up so high
That his little white tail
Flew toward the skyu.
They were all so happy
To be at play
That they danced and danced
And danced away.
They danced away
So very far
That they never came back
To the cookie jar.
Hope this helps!
Susan
PU>I am putting together a program on cookies. Am looking for any help on fing

PU>Thanks.

PU>Kendra Skellen
PU>Librarian II - Programming and Outreach
PU>Gwinnett County Public Library
PU>1001 Lawrenceville Hwy
PU>Lawrenceville, GA 30025-4707
PU> 770-277-6011
PU>(fax) 770-822-5379
PU>kskellen@mail.gcpl.public.lib.ga.us

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:26:39 -0600
From: Marilyn Zaruba <fmpl@startext.net>
Subject: Re: Patron Behavior

I have mixed feelings about the old keyboard & monitor for toddlers. I really
think children should be taught respect for property whether it belongs to them
or someone else or the public. How are they to determine the difference between
the 'toy' and the real thing?

I make it a point of welcoming all children to the library & letting them know
this is their library & I am very pleased that they are here. This pleases the
parents & no one seems to mind if I later have to call a child down for climbing
the stacks or pounding on the keyboards or throwing books or whatever non-social
behavior they are displaying. I sometimes think that it is really the parents
who just do not know any better.

I raised two children so it amazes me that so many children are such wild
creatures in a public place. I don't understand these new parenting concepts.

Marilyn
Mansfield Public Library

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:46:49 -0600
From: "Roxy Ekstrom" <rekstrom@merlin.stdl.org>
Subject: grade levels on books

Elaine - and all other curious onlookers (readers!)

We do not assign grade levels to the regular fiction books, but we help =
out the parents (and kids) by labeling the beginning chapter books with =
less than 80 pages with a bright fuchia label that says EASY FICTION. =
We special ordered the labels from Demco. The books labeled this way =
are beginning 2nd to beginning 4th grade level. We also do lots and =
lots of bibliographies, including one for EASY FICTION. These bibs are =
updated every 12 to 18 months and contain many new titles. We break =
down the major genres into 3/4, 5/6, and JR HI, and we make it clear (we =
hope) that the bibs contain just a small sample of the many books =
available. We also have a bib that covers just the Classic children's =
books (and another for JR HI).
In our READER collection - the pre-primer and primer level - Step into =
Reading - type books, we color code - Yellow tags on the big word, few =
per page books; aqua on the more words but still lots of white space; =
and pink on the primer level books. This lets the kids move up at their =
own rate, especially since the aqua covers a lot of territory.
This has been VERY successful, our readers virtually fly off the =
shelves.
Any questions - feel free to contact me.
Roxy Ekstrom
YS Reference (and a bunch of other stuff)=20
Schaumburg Township District Library
Schaumburg, IL
rekstrom@stdl.org

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:48:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Mark Gochnour <gochnm@mont.lib.md.us>
Subject: Re: ACTION NEEDED ON S. 97

I'm going to get on my soap box and create some real discussion by
replying to all the listservs in which this announcement was placed by Don
Wood of ALA.

Here goes...

I find it very interesting that the ALA in speaking for "all" librarians
and protecting everyone's First Amendment Rights, Freedom to Read and
Freedom to View, and Intellectual Freedom that they would state that this
kind of decision (some kind of filtering)should be made at the
local level.

Whenever groups, library systems or concerned parents in local communities
try to get involved in making decisions about easy access to the
pornography on the Internet, the ALA steps in. If that local decision is
in favor of some type of filtering, the ALA says that this is a violation
of Constitutionally guaranteed rights and violates the Library Bill of
Rights. The ALA bullies, intimidates, and goes to court to prevent local
governing bodies from having it their way.

One of the roles of governments is to protect its citizens. When are
people going to understand that there is a high level of correlation
between sexual offenders and pornography. If I didn't have a computer in
my home, is the government legally required to provide a Internet
accessible PC in my local library so I could view pornography. Why should
the local or federal government provide free access to something which
should be viewed in private where minors don't have easy access to it?

I realize that filters, don't work perfectly and they could provide a
false sense of security for some parents but it doesn't seem like the ALA
can have it both ways. Either, it has to abide by the decision made at the
local level or it has to allow the decision to be made at the federal
level.

Mark S. Gochnour <gochnm@mont.lib.md.us>
Children's Librarian
Poolesville Library
Montgomery County (Maryland) Dept. of Public Libraries

The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of my
organization.

On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Don Wood wrote:

> ALAWON: American Library Association Washington Office Newsline
> Volume 8, Number 22
> March 5, 1999
>
> In this issue:
>
> Senate Commerce Committee Holds Hearing on Children's Internet
> Protection Act, S. 97; Action Needed
<snip>

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:51:57 -0500 (EST)
From: "<Lesley Knieriem>" <lknierie@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Mehndi (long!)

Many many thanks to all of you who sent me descriptions of your
mehndi programs! And since even more of you requested that I forward the
information I received, I am posting the most useful replies to the lists
as a whole (please excuse any cross-postings)
How wonderful the Internet is! I could never have convinced my
Board without all of your help!

From: Ruth Allen <rutha@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us>

Lesley - I had a woman from India who now lives in Portland come and do a
mehndi program here at the Central Library. We had 10 teens and 2 adults
come. She explained the history of mehndi and then created designs on the
hands of the teens. She brought all of the supplies and then I later
created a resource sheet (books, websites, places in the Portland area
where the teens could buy supplies). This woman is a member of a cultural
arts group in the Portland area. We've had this program at several of our
branches as well as Central and so far I've heard no complaints - just
great comments.

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From: "Christolon, Blair B" <bchristolon@pwcgov.org>

I don't remember either which list posted the information about the kits;
however I did see the tatoo kits at TARGET this weekend. I can't remember
the price. Sorry, but maybe the information on the package could be
helpful. Blair

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From: Kelly Poole <kpoole@lex.lib.sc.us>

Our library is going to do a program this summer. The henna lasts
about 6 weeks. We are just going to do "bracelet" style art. The teens
(12 and up) will have to have a permission form signed by a parent. We
have just ordered a kid from The Tapping Lizard via the WWW. We haven't
done it yet, but we plan to cover our bases by doing it at the very
beginning of summer and requiring the permission form.

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From: Dana Burton <dburton@monroe.lib.in.us>

We've offered a program on Mehendi for teens three different
times. We've had absolutely no problem - what is your board nervous
about?? mess, parents? Each program has been terrifically popular - no
stains or complaints from parents. Actually, with this age, we assume
that any difference of opinion about what the kid puts on her/his body is
a discussion between the parents and the child, not something we need to
concern ourselves about. We don't censor their choice of books or ask
their parents to sign a permission slip allowing them to borrow books and
we aren't going to ask for permission slips to attend programs.

We first offered the program before most kids knew what it was, so
we tried to tie the cultural, art, and social aspects into the advertising
as well as setting expectations about the process - this helped us pull
together a group of teens who really knew they wanted to be here and knew
pretty much what to expect (helps with parent expectations, stains, etc)

We promoted it to the kids in ways that would appeal to them:
"how many of you have thought about getting a tattoo? Anybody ask their
parents if they could get one? What did they say? Here's your chance to
try it out, live with a body design for three weeks and see if you like
it. At this point we'd show them a photograph of someone wearing Mehendi
(best photo we've found is full page spread of Liv Tyler in Vanity Fair,
May 1997 - she's dressed, but her hands, arms, feet and legs are covered
with Mehendi - it's a knock-out and gets both girls and guys attention!)
We'd explain a little about the art in relation to Indian weddings.
Pointed out the elaborate designs. Encouraged people to sign up. Always
added a quick note to wear old clothes (henna paste stains), clothes that
did not cover body part that they wanted to design - summer is best time
to do this program so kids can wear shorts, tops that allow shoulder,
belly, chest designs (that can later be covered by "regular clothes."
Warned that they needed to plan to nurse the design overnight - don't
make plans til the next day. And to expect to have the design last about 3
weeks - would eventually wear off. Encouraged them to come with a friend
- - it's easier to work on someone else - harder to do your own.

The summer of 1997, 47 high school students showed up for the
program.. half were boys! Summer of 98 an equal number of students signed
up; included about half middle school and half high school. Mehendi was
also an activity offered at one of our spring overnight lock-ins.

It has been interesting to see the response. Most were simply
interested in the process as a new art form. I don't know one student
that came to our workshops who then went out and got a tattoo - so I don't
think it necessarily encourages kids to get tattoos. They all had a great
time and saw the library as a place that offered something of interest to
their age group. (you might want to remind your board that statistically,
25% of the people who enter their doors are young people between the ages
of 12-18) One group of teens came to learn how to do Mehendi so they
could do it at a party that they were planning. You can put this in the
ever-popular substance abuse prevention context: So, we knew that what
they were learning at the library contributed to substance abuse
prevention: they were planning a positive leisure time activity for a
group of teens - instead of having a party without planned activities or
instead of just hanging around downtown and in jeopardy of getting in
trouble. Two high school boys came to learn Mehendi because they had been
hired as camp counselors that summer and were looking for compact,
easy-to-do things to keep their charges interested and entertained - I was
impressed! (you could use this in your publicity: Great to do at
parties, pocket trick for camp counselors)

We had 2 Indian women who were experts at this, so we invited them
to actually present the workshop. They took a few minutes, as they mixed
the henna paste, to talk about the significance of the Mehendi designs,
the ceremonies in which it was used, other applications of henna in Indian
culture (health, beauty, etc),and who actually applied the designs (often
brothers). They also pointed out that African tribes do same, but with
different cultural designs. We printed their recipe and made it
available. Also provided photocopies of traditional Indian designs for
kids to use. Although they were free to use the Henna paste to put on any
design they wanted to create, most tried to copy one of the traditional
designs.

If you want to tie this to your book collection, consider putting
out books on African art, Indian art - any cultural art that has motif
designs: Mayan, Greek, Transylvanian, etc. We found a ton of designs in
the art section as well as the knitting and cross-stitch books. We had a
lot of books about African tribal body decoration -just the idea of what
lot of books about African tribal body decoration -just the idea of what
is considered beauty in other cultures. Also, western culture beauty and
make-up books fit the display. We did include the books in our collection
on tattoos and tattooing as well as a book on the state license
requirements for tattoo parlors. There was some interest in these books,
but most kids were there to learn how to do the Mehendi.

*************************

From: Jennifer Vos <jvos@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu>

We recently had a mehndi program at the Douglass Branch of the Champaign
Public Library. It was a lot of fun. In fact, the mehndi is still on my
hand even though we had the program a week and a half ago. Here are some
of the things that worked for us:

If you have a lot of children, and adults, request that the person
conducting the hand painting only do one hand per person.

We used a blow drier as a heat source to set the mehndi so that the
children wouldn't get it all over the room while they were waiting for it
to dry.

We covered the floor of the area with newspapers and gave each child a
garbage bag "smock" to keep their clothes from getting stained.

You might consider having a storytime relating to India for the children
to sit and listen while their hands are drying.

I really enjoyed the program. Our mehndi artist told us that it is an
art-form that is used by women for bonding. It is done before weddings
and when women are pregnant and when they go back to visit their female
relatives. In a way, it was a bonding experience for us a the library as
well. I am relatively new to my job and this gives me the chance to
interact with the girls who also had their hands painted. I see them in
the library and ask them if their mehndi has faded yet. This opens the
way for other conversation.

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From: Marin Younker <MARIN@ci.tigard.or.us>

lesley, i've done a couple of henna tattoo programs and they were
wonderful. hired a
local artist who gave them background/history of the tattoos, showed them
designs, and
then gave them tattoos. some parents came with their kids and got tattoos
themselves.
all had fun. no problems were reported back to me. we didn't require
parent
permission. think that kids are pretty saavy and know to ask their
parents beforehand.
a couple just stayed to watch 'cause they hadn't asked their parents. a
popular program
if heavily advertised. we're going to do it again for srp. marin.

********************************************
From: JENC@sfpl.lib.ca.us

For those interested in a henna tatoo program, San Francisco Public
Library's Middle School Outreach program hosted a very successful
one in December 1998.

We hired a woman who has done Mehndi professionally for a long time,
We hired a woman who has done Mehndi professionally for a long time,
and who is from India originally. Although the program
fee was $300, we suggest seeking out a professional because
the results are gorgeous. Furthermore, the professional is
more than likely fully aware for the cultural meaning that
Mehndi has, and can impart this to the participants. Lastly,
the professional will work much more quickly!

We did have "release forms" available for all participants.
Some parents were present, although most attendees signed
their own release forms (we had absolutely no parental
complaints, but parental consent forms aren't a bad idea,
if you would like to play it safe). We had a sign-up form
at the entrance, which was first-come, first-serve, limited
to 25. We had magazines and books available for browsing
for those waiting.

Most participants were thrilled with the results. The tattoos
last about 2-3 weeks, depending upon how long the henna paste
is left untouched before washing (5-6 hrs is optimum, but most
middle schoolers were going to find it difficult!). There were
two attendees who were a bit upset that their tatoo got smudged,
so tears are a possibility for this kind of program.

Be sure to communicate an age limit for this kind of program.
We had some adults interested in getting tatoos as well.

As to Andria Amiral's question regarding the Mehndi results
on African Americans, henna tatoos around the world are
given to women with a wide variance of skin tones, with
beautiful results! The tatoos at our program were done
on the palms or on the arms. The participants came from
diverse backgrounds and were happy with their designs.

The book MEHNDI: THE TIMELESS ART OF HENNA PAINTING
by Loretta Roome (St. Martins, 1998) is quite
helpful on the subject.

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From: Kathryn Shaw <kshaw@brantford.library.on.ca>

Last October during Ontario Public Library Week we ran a programme which
was specifically geared to the YA audience. It was very popular. One
of our staff members knows how to do it herself and she recruited
friends and family to help her get to all of the people who attended the
programme, most of whom were teens. I attended myself and it is
painless and harmless and fun! The design lasted for almost two weeks
on me, but it really depends on how long you leave the paste on before
washing your hands.
Worth giving it a try!

**************************

From: Holly Koelling <hkoellin@kcls.org>

I run a late-night program for teens on Friday nights for the King County
Library system. We just completed a very successful henna program. I
contacted a woman who runs her own henna tattooing business, and we
arranged to have her come two weeks in a row. The first week, she talked
about the history and meaning of henna as body art in many cultures, and
discussed the ins and outs of the tattooing process. She did a demo
tattoo on me (the only other person in the room over 18.) I handed out
permission slips the first week to be signed by parents for teens under
18 for the second week, with a disclaimer about henna's safety and
temporary nature. I also put some permission slips at the check out desk
for teens who were not able to come the first week, but wanted tattoos the
second week. The teens with signed permission slips did either their own
tattoos or tattoos on each other the second week with the assistance of
the henna tattoo artist.

It was a great program, and we had very high numbers both weeks.

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~ Lesley Knieriem ~
~ YA / Reference Librarian (516) 549-4411 ~
~ South Huntington Public Library fax (516) 549-6832 ~
~ Huntington Station, NY 11746 lknierie@suffolk.lib.ny.us ~
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~ "Folk-lore means that the soul is sane, but that the universe is ~
~ wild and full of marvels. Realism means that the world is dull ~
~ and full of routine, but that the soul is sick and screaming." ~
~ -- G. K. Chesterton, "The Dragon's Grandmother" ~
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