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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 13:50:03 -0400 (EDT)
To: pubyac-digest@nysernet.org
Subject: pubyac V1 #656

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 11:51:44 PST
From: "Rebecca Smith" <rsps@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Internet use/Library card age

At the San Diego Public Library there is no restriction on children
using the internet (each branch has at least one filtered and one
unfiltered terminal), parental permission is not required.
We just recently raised the age that children can get a card without
parental permission to 18 (due to the fact that parents are
legally/financially responsible for their children until 18) from 16.
At this time we also let the parents decide if their kids can take
videos or not. (previously, you had to be 18 to take videos)

Rebecca Smith



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San Diego Public Library
Branch Libraries Division
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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 12:30:50 -0700
From: Carolyn Groves <cgroves@will.state.wy.us>
Subject: response regarding Sharon Morris's storytime format

You hit the nail on the head! I took Children's Info. Transfer from Beth
Elder - Children's Acquisitions Librarian for Denver PL - she was AMAZING -
really opened my eyes to a "new" way of doing storytime. Sounds like you
were trained with her philosohy...GREAT BOOKS will make storytime enjoyable,
fun, and magical. I think that we have "trained" kids (and parents!) to
expect 30 minutes of entertainment from us - and they can just as easily be
"trained" to enjoy the magic of BOOKS (and not fifteen fingerplays, crafts,
and other things thrown in just because they relate to our chosen "theme").

Carolyn Groves Winkler, MLS 5/99
Teton County Library
Jackson, WY

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 10:36:03 PST
From: "Rebecca Smith" <rsps@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: poetry month

If you don't mind a little extra work, you can do the same thing for
pratically free by recycling all those freebie magnets you get in the
mail, at confrences, doctor's offices, etc. You just have to glue
your Words onto the front of the magnets, and you would need heavy or
bright paper, so the old picture won't show through. I used to do
this as a kid, by drawing my own picture or cutting out pictures from
magazines and catalogs. It could make a great craft project, too.

Rebeeca

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:58:54 -0500 (EST)
From: David Serchay <a013213t@bc.seflin.org>
Subject: Re: YA's and the Internet

On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Fishman wrote:

> To All:
> We are currently constructing an Internet Policy for our library
> to put in place in the future. Our director has a few questions that
> concern Young Adults and their use of the Internet. We would benefit
> greatly if you could share your experienecs with us.
>
> 1) Does your library use Internet filters for YAs?

No. We do have a few computers that only have the ALA 700+ recomended
sites ( our "Kidscat" computers) but anyone can use the regular ones.

> 2) If no, have you had any problems?

Nope. The most "objectionable" site I've seen a teen access is a Marilyn
Manson page. Pokemon, Dragonball, and Wrestling sites seem to be the most
non-scholarly places.

David Serchay
Youth Services Librarian
Deerfield Beach Library
Broward County, Fl

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:36:18 -0500 (EST)
From: carmel <carmel@ulysses.sebridge.org>
Subject: Re: YA's and the Internet

We do not use filters on any terminals. This is a small library and our
4 internet terminals are located right out in the middle of the floor.
We have had one problem with a 14 year old persistently accessing
pornography despite our request that it was not "acceptable" in this
library. We finally spoke to his father, who felt that he did not want
his son to use the computers without his (the father's) presence. We
were lucky there wasn't a fuss. We do have an "acceptable use" policy.
This is a small town. Good luck! Marilyn Schlansky, Director, Reed
Memorial Library 1733 Rte 6, Carmel, NY 10512

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 15:09:06 -0500
From: "Stow-Munroe Falls Library, Children's Room" <stowkids@oplin.lib.oh.us>
Subject: Re: School Assignments and the Public Library

I think this is a debate that will live on into eternity. My feeling is that a
patron need is a patron need. It shouldn't matter whether that patron is 6 or
60. We buy books of questionable literary quality to satisfy adult demands
(romance, western series for example) and should do the same for students.
Although I enjoy well written non-fiction as long as the information is
accurate and answers the students question that should be the criteria. Again
just as we buy multiple copies of danielle steele and stephen king due to
demand I see no reason we should hesitate buy multiple copies of leaf
identification guides or constellation books.

Just as good food should be the main part of our kids diets some junk food is
okay. the same for literature. Quality literature has an important place but
some junk is okay too.

Fishman wrote:

> I am a graduate library student in at Queens College, CUNY. The
> class is entitled: "Planning and Delivering
> Services to Youth in the Public Library". In a recent session we discussed
> the implications of school assignments on the staff and collections of
> public libraries. An issue stemming from this discussion centered around
> the practice of buying multiple copies of books to support students in
> completing their assignments. Some students voiced their opinion that
> quantities of materials would enhance service by satisfying patrons needs.
> Others felt that the quality of the literature should be considered. For
> example, it might be beneficial to have a few copies of a book on the
> Tasmanian Wolf even if the quality of the literature isn't quite adequate.
> I can relate this dilemna to my current job as a librarian trainee
> in a public library. Every summer we are given a reading list by the
> school district and have begun the practice of buying several copies of
> titles on this list. By doing this patrons are finding the materials
> needed to complete school assignments. However, when students are
> given assignments on patricular animals we tend to retain at most 2
> copies of books on each animal.
> My question is "Should libraries purchase several copies of a book
> on a topic that is scarcely written about just to satisfy patrons needs,
> even if the quality of the literature is poor?"
>
> -Nicole Fishman

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:17:23 -0500
From: RUTLAND_FREE@dol.state.vt.us
Subject: privacy on the Internet

Dear PUBYACers,

A situation has developed in our library which the administration has
taken steps to correct, but in the meantime, I am in an uncomfortable
position as children's librarian.

We have two Internet stations. Neither are filtered and neither provide
viewing privacy to users. For more than a week, a patron have been viewing
and thus displaying Internet screens showing close up views of genitalia,
especially of pregnant women. My desk faces this display. The library
director has told staff we may not ask him to stop. I find it a difficult
working envirnoment. I feel an obligation to alert parents and teachers
who are in the area with children. Until the new wiring is done and the
hoods and furniture arrive to provide private viewing areas, how best
can I deal with this, as a professional. Let me add that the library
was nationally recognized a few years ago for it's defense of first
ammendment rights regarding Daddy's Roommate.

Currently, privacy screens are on each Internet. They afford a minimum
amount of privacy.

June Osowski
Rutland_Free@dol.state.vt.us

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 14:21:09 -0600
From: Nancee Dahms-Stinson <ndahmsst@mail.sos.state.mo.us>
Subject: RE: poetry month

Has anyone tried the local sign shops in their communities for magnetic
strips? It's been a couple of years, but our local sign shop made signs in
many formats, including magnetic ones (which people use to put on their
trucks, cars, etc.) The sign shop gave me tons of magnetic scraps that
they discarded after cutting signs to size. I had so much of this stuff I
had to throw some of it away for lack of storage space. I used it alot
with my preschoolers at the time (gave parents patterns that they could
copy onto posterboard, allow kids to color, and then apply sticky magnet
to--kids used them to tell stories on the fridge)

I would think the sign shops would still have this stuff to "recycle" to
their local libraries.

Nancee

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 10:44:54 PST
From: "Dana Lubow" <danalubow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Help!

Carrie and Lydia,
A young adult librarian at the Echo Park Branch of Los Angeles Public
Library, Anthony Bernier, does work with pregnant teens in his branch.
I'm sure he has some ideas, (I heard him speak about his program at a
CLA program). His e-mail address is: echopk@lapl.org. I hope this helps.

Dana
Bruggemeyer Memorial Library
Monterey Park, CA
danalubow@hotmail.com

>From: "Stow-Munroe Falls Library, Children's Room"
<stowkids@oplin.lib.oh.us>
>
>The YA librarian and I work with the pregnant and parenting teens in
the
>local high schools. We go in monthly and present materials dealing on a
>variety of topics. Each class includes materials for kids and for the
>parent. This month the parent topic is dealing with the issues
>surrounding living at home, being parented and trying to parent at the
>same time. Many of these kids want to parent their child differently
>from the way they were parented. Does any one know of any resources
that
>can give some ideas and strategies for these teen parents? We need to
>find things that are not too overwhelming in either length or
>complexity. I know good luck. ANY suggestions whether they be print or
>non-print, would be great.
>
>Thanks Carrie & Lydia
>
>

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:37:05 -0500
From: "Earl and Kirsten Martindale" <earlmart@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Internet use/Library card age

Sorry, Beverly, the ALA bill of rights states that libraries do not
discriminate on the basis of age, etc...

Parents get to make those choices...we do not. Your second question hinges
only on the age that your state makes the child responsible for his or her
own debts...probably 16. If the parents is responsible, the parent signs. If
the "child" is (legally) responsible, the child signs.

Kirsten Martindale
earlmart@bellsouth.net

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 06:35:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Marlyn Roberts <chaisegirl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Internet use/Library card age

Hi, Beverly.

Children at the BPL do not need parental permission to
access the Internet. They do, however, need to have a
valid library card and be at least 7 years old.

A child of any age can get a library card. All they
need is proof of Massachusetts residency.

Hope this helps.

Marlyn

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Marlyn K. Roberts
Children's Librarian
Codman Square Branch
Boston Public Library


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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:24:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Eve Bates <batese@pls.lib.ca.us>
Subject: unattended kids policy

Dear collective brain:

Do you have a policy on unattended kids? If so, please read on and
give us some advice!

My small branch library is located right next to an elementary school, and
our problem with parents using us as free after-school child care has
gotten worse over the years. Some days we have as many as 50 unattended
kids in and around our small building after school. The chaos is driving
our other patrons away from the library, and we receive many complaints.

We've tried many things to solve this problem: talking to parents,
talking to teachers, talking to principals, offering free homework
tutoring, hiring a monitor, and more. The school's response has been that
it's our problem. Presumably for liability reasons, the children are not
allowed to play on school property after classes let out.

In our latest attempt to tame the library atmosphere,
the city Parks and Rec staff have started offering a free afterschool
program in our community room, with crafts, games, etc. The problem is
that the program is staffed by high school students, who cannot arrive
until 3:00, and the elementary kids get out a 2:30, or 1:30 on some days.
Also, there are several kids who, for various reasons, still can not or
do not participate in the program, or who are left here unattended well
after the program finishes.

Using examples from library policies nationwide, the branch supervisor and
myself drafted a "child safety policy" which states that children under 6
must be accompanied by an adult, children 6 - 9 must be accompanied unless
they are taking part in a supervised program, and children over 10 may be
on their own as long as they behave and can take care of themselves. We
hope that this approach will convince parents to provide care for their
children, without calling the kids "bad" simply because they're bored and
unsupervised.

Higher-ups in the library, however, (who coincidentally rarely, if ever,
visit this branch) have balked at the age limits. Their argument (and I
see their point) is that it smacks of limiting access, sounds "negative",
and unfairly restricts children who are able to take care of themselves.

I can understand these points, but my supervisor and I feel that we have
tried every other option we can think of. We feel that, in this case, we
must say "no" to some parents in order to say "yes" to those who actually
want to use the library. And I, having tried to confront parents about
their childrens' behavior before, am convinced that they will respond more
positively to a simple age limit, instead of getting defensive about their
parenting methods.

So, if you have a policy about unattended children, with or without
specific age limits, I'd love to hear about your experiences enforcing it,
and the pros and cons involved with policies in the first place.
Also, if anyone has other ideas on what to do about the situation, we'd
love those, too!

TIA,

************************************************************
Eve Bates Redwood City Public Library
Children's Librarian Redwood City, CA
Community Libraries Unit 650-780-7009

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 08:49:48 -0500
From: Susanna Holstein <pkb00700@alpha.wvup.wvnet.edu>
Subject: storytime formats

The comments about the Denver storytimes were interesting, and this
format may work quite well there. I think there are many ways to present
storytimes "right"--no one way is the answer for all of us. Much of what
is "right" in one location depends, I think, on the librarian/staff
member presenting the program, and on the audience who will be
attending. Skill levels vary with the presenter---some are good at one
type of presentation, others at another.

One other aspect worth considering: children, as well as adults, have
different learning styles. Some are aural learners, some are visual,
others are tactile. So a variety of methods of story presentation may
address the difference of learning styles among the children attending.

For some, it is the listening aspect that brings the tale home to them.
So perhaps the told tale is best in these instances. For others, it's
the pictures that tell the story, so for them the picture book is ideal.
Others want hands-on, so for them the flannelboard story may be the
best. All are enriched by the variety of experiences to which each
medium exposes them.

As a presenter works with his/her audience, and learns what techniques
work best for the audience AND the presenter, the storytime format
becomes a vehicle for a shared joy in the many faces literature has to
offer us.

Susanna Holstein
Elk Valley Branch Library
Charleston WV

My opinions here, not those of my employer!

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 09:46:50 -0500 (EST)
From: "Cathy S. Lichtman" <cathyl@tln.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Help! Teen parenting books

Try Your Pregnancy and Newborn Journey and The Challenge of Toddlers for
Teen Parents: Parenting Your Child from One to Three both by Jeanne Warren
Lindsay. There might be one or two others on teen paenting by her. Also
a great book is the Amazing True STory of a Teenage Single Mom by
Katherine Arnoldi. It's written cartoon, graphic style.

Cathy Lichtman
Orion Township Public Library
Lake Orion, MI

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 11:19:47 -0800
From: Susan Creed <screed@spokpl.lib.wa.us>
Subject: Fat

>>Bonita - it's a hard road to travel - there's no doubt about that, and it
>seems
>>very unfair that some people have to work at it so much harder than
>others. I
>>am in NO way an authority on the subject - I just can't help but feel
that if
>>kids get the message that there's nothing they can do about being heavy,
then
>>they're going to spend the rest of their lives being heavy, but if they
>get the
>>message that with hard work and self control and a good support group they
>can
>>do pretty well, their chances are a lot better. Are we not about helping
>>young people believe in their own capabilities? Then let's help them
believe
>>that they don't HAVE to be heavy except in very rare cases. It's HARD - but
>>they can do hard things if they put their minds to it and keep their eyes on
>>the p rize. Chuck
>

Oh, Chuck--you're buying into all the myths about fat people.("Fat," by the
way, is not a dirty word) Please read "Fat? So!" by Marilyn Wann. Also
"Life in the Fat Lane" by Cherie Bennett for an excellent look at what it's
like to be a fat teenaged girl in America today.
Why should everyone be thin? Fat people, believe it or not, are often as
healthy or healthier than thinner people. They even have good relationships
with their lovers, family members and friends--shocking as that may seem!!!
They don't need 'hard work, self control and a support group' to be
productive, happy members of society just because someone thinks they
should'nt be fat.
We're all so good at talking about celebrating diversity but we have such
a hard time with sizeism. I maintain that children of color see themselves
portrayed in children's books and the media much more often than do fat
children and believe that this is a grave disservice.

Now, I'll step off of that soapbox and comment on one other thread I've
been reading here.
About Top Notch Children's areas--I felt the same way that Bonita Kale did
about this request--I like many things about the children's area in my
current library but liked things in other libraries better. There are so
many variables to what a person can do in terms of space, building design,
budget, philosophy of the library's administration, etc. I liked the list
that Laurie Breitner posted--a wish list to aim for in many cases rather
than a reality that can be achieved.

And one other book about storytimes that I use consistently is "I'm a
Little Teapot" by Jane Cobb.


Susan Creed
Children's Librarian,
Shadle Library
Spokane Public Library
2111 W. Wellesley
Spokane, WA 99205
screed@spokpl.lib.wa.us

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:36:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: Drama Group

On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Jan Gilgore wrote:

> children . Has anyone ever done this? It would be part of the summer =
> program and the finale would be a "play" at the end of summer reading =
> program party.
> I did try this several years ago at another library. One of the =
> major role players forgot she was going to India to visit her =
> Grandparent and would be gone the last 2 weeks of the program including =
> the performance. Her mother called a few days before they left.=20
> Thanks in advance for any help or advice.=20

One of the things you can do is have your drama group create a mystery
story for the library. Why this is good: You'll cover characterization,
scene staging, choreography (if you have any fight scenes, that is),
storytelling and acting. Also, if you have any last minute cancelations,
the part of the missing actor can be written up a "From the depostion of
- ---- (missing actor)."

HTH

Kirsten Edwards (Who can understand why you might find this discouraging)
kirstedw@kcls.org

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Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 18:36:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeri Kladder <jkladder@gcfn.org>
Subject: Re: Storytime format

Molly (et. al.),
I went through a 6-week orientation at the Free Library Of
Philadelphia waaaaaaay back in 1976. Carolyn Field, the Head of the
Office Of Work With Children, said something that always stuck with me.
"You can't expect your audience to act like one unless you let them know
what you expect." WOW! That blew my mind because, of course, she was
absolutely right. So I gently try to make sure my audience knows exactly
what I expect of them at the beginning of story hour. Then, when they get
fidgety, as little ones often do, I know that it is because I haven't
allowed sufficient stretchers. After all, just because I'm wearing myself
out bouncing around and being all dramatic doesn't mean that the kids have
also had sufficient opportunity to drain off their pent-up energies.
Anyway, I try to have an appropriate song or particupation or
fingerplay after a lengthy, demanding story. If nothing readily suggests
itself to me, or if I haven't planned something early enough for the kids'
needs, I just do a "quick stand up, hop 3 times, turn around twice, and sit
back down. There, doesn't that feel better? Are we ready for the next
_____? Can everybody see or did you get moved? If you aren't happy where
you are sitting, it's okay to find a better place to sit."
I think, for the most part, if you let the kids know what is
appropriate behavior for story time, and you acknowledge their own
physical needs to move (even my knees get stiff after sitting too long
cross-legged on the floor!) AND you let them know they are responsible for
their happiness with where they are sitting, most of the time things go
along swimingly.
Hope some of this helps. As far as numbers go, we have a policy
that, at least at the Main Library, we take whoever shows up. Preschool
Story Times run between the low 20's and the high 40's with occasional
teens and 50's. Thank heaven I don't do Toddler Time (which runs in the
adjacent room at the same time). Those crowds run from the low 40's on a
bad day to 60's, 70's, 80's +++!!!. It's parent choice to come downtown
instead of going to the branch story times. Fortunately, we involve
parents in the process. They are expected to direct their toddler's
attention and help him/her participate. And our Toddler presenters are
pro's at it. My, I prefer the kids be old enough to carry on intelligent
discussion during story time. That's why I do the 3-5 year-olds.
Again, hope this helps. - jeri

Jeri Kladder, Children's Librarian & Storyteller
jkladder@freenet.columbus.oh.us
Columbus Metropolitan Library
Columbus, Ohio

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Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:01:44 -0400
From: "Earl and Kirsten Martindale" <earlmart@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Charges for Borrowing Videos

I'm just curious on this one; I recently heard of a public library (Port =
Huron, MI) that charges a dollar for each video that patrons check out. =
Is this something other libraries do? I'm not sure I understand the =
logic in charging a patron for material because the format is different =
than, say, a book. Can anyone give me an argument against such a =
practice?

TIA

Kirsten Martindale
Buford, GA
earlmart@bellsouth.net

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 10:13:22 -0400
From: Nancy Mohan <nmohan@adan.kingston.net>
Subject: Re: STARTS AND FINISHES

At 11:18 AM 4/1/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Greetings!
>Would any of you be willing to share your favorite starting and finishing
>songs/verses/speeches/whatever for preschool story hours?
>Also: what do you use when the kids get too antsy??
>Thanks in advance,
>Kate
> hI kATE
I speak as a children's librarian of 13 years as well as a storyteller.One
of the best ways to settle a crowd of preschoolers is a fingerplay involving
some,but not too much, body movement or a song which involves action that
the kids will automatically join in with (even if they don't join in,they
become involved and focused).
Here are some good opening songs:
"If your happy and you know it clap your hands" which you can lead and use
as few or as many different ideas as you wish. Once I start to know the kids
a bit,I ask them for suggestions too.

"Let's clap our hands together" repeated and finishing with the line"
because it's fun to do." Again you can use any number of movements such as
"tap our feet together", or "touch our heads together". If you have parents
in your storytime encourage them to join in as well.

Another song I use is in conjunction with the Jack Grunsky CD called"Waves"
(or some similar title) is called "Wave after Wave". The lyrics are great
and you can make up hand movements for the kids to copy.

Two opening fingerplays which I use on a regular basis are the old tried and
true "Open them ,shut them" (repeat this line)
Give them a little clap.
Open them,shut them (repeat)
Put them in your lap.

There is a second verse which I often add

Creep them,
Creep them
Slowly creep them
Right up to your chin
Open wide your mouth
But do not let those fingers in! (I then put my hands behind my back and the
kids usually follow my actions.)

My other favourite opeing fingerplay is:

Crackers and crumbs, (on the opening lines, I clap my hands on "crackers" and
Crackers and crumbs, slap my knees on "crumbs")
Show me your fingers, (hold hand out and wiggle fingers)
Show me your thumbs, (hold up thumbs)
Show me your eyes, (point)
Show me your ears, (touch ears)
They'll all grow big (stretch arms up slowly over the next two lines)
In the next ten years!

Kids really like the humour of this fingerplay. If it is a new storytime
crowd,I start by teaching them the movements and then adding the words.

ENDINGS
I usually sing "Now its time to say good-bye" repeated several times and
ending with "Until another day" or until we meet again.

My favourite,however, is this little verse with actions.

My hands say thank you with a clap ,clap clap
My feet say thank you with a tap ,tap ,tap
Clap,clap,clap
Tap,tap,tap
Roll your hands and
Wave goodbye

Hope these sugfgestions are helpful. Good luck if you are doing a storytime.
Sincerely Nancy Mohan, Children's Librarian
Kingston Frontenac Public Library
Kingston,Ont. CANADA
Library email address: nmohan@kfpl.library.on.ca
>
>
Nancy Mohan
R.R.# 3 Bath,Ont.
KOH 1GO

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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:17:46 -0400
From: JMason@Scholastic.com
Subject: Harry Potter web site

The part of Scholastic's web site featuring Harry Potter has just been
updated, including an announcement of the second and third books coming. Go
to http://www.scholastic.com/tradebks/hp/ for all the details! The site
also includes a discussion guide, author bio, and more.

John Mason, Associate Marketing Director
Scholastic, 555 Broadway, New York, NY 10012-3999
Phone (212) 343-7607 Fax(212) 343-7604 email: jmason@scholastic.com

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 10:31:44 -0400
From: Janet Dickey <blakdog@en.com>
Subject: Re: Mystery endings and AD for NEW kit

Hi, All!
In the mystery kits I create, everyone (as teams or individuals) writes
down answers as to who did what, why, and what evidence supports the
conclusion. We judge them while kids eat and browse mystery and true
crime books on display. Then we announce the winner, and the winner
tells us her (his/their) answers. The second place winner(s) add
additional comments. Then there is a wind-up "newscast" at the end of
the 3 Anyone's Guess kits, and you can also act out the arrest of the
perpetrator. A phone call winds up InvestiCats #1.

ANNOUNCEMENT!
Anyone's Guess #3: Rock 'n' Roll Over DEAD is now available! At the
beginning of the mystery, the music librarian is found dead in the
meeting room, just before the meeting of the Battle of the Bands
Committee.
Note: as of this (Monday) morning, I have been unable to update my
website, but format and price are the same as for #1 and #2. Please
e-mail if you need more info. I also have a new brochure.

SUMMER PROGRAMMING SPECIAL!
If you order TWO kits (Anyone's Guess and/or InvestiCats), take $5.00
OFF your total order. OR, if you have previously ordered a kit, and are
ordering a SECOND kit, take $5.00 OFF your new order. This offer will be
good through July 31st, 1999.

Thanks for all your support!
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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:19:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Cory Michael King <cormking@indiana.edu>
Subject: filtering (again)

Hi everyone,

I'm in my final semester here at Indiana University SLIS and Im working on
a presentation on Internet filtering. I hear the groans already. I
caught all of the recent debate on this list concerning this burning
issue, and I dont want to spark it again. What I need are facts.

I would greatly appreciate it if some of you could answer these two
questions:

1. Does your library use filters? How are they used (on certain
computers, as an option, only in the children's room, etc.)?

2. How is filtering/internet use reflected in your library policy?

Thank you for your time. Please respond directly to me by April 13th at
cormking@indiana.edu

- --Cory King


Cory King
School of Library and Information Science
Indiana University
http://php.indiana.edu/~cormking/resume/reshome.html

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:41:40 -0500
From: "Earl and Kirsten Martindale" <earlmart@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: staff orientation

Melody,

Congratulations on the formulation of formal training! While others may be
able to offer you better practical ideas, I would strongly encourage you to
cover "challenges and censorship" in your training. The last several
"challenges" in my recent memory have sprouted with employees. You might be
"preaching to the saved" on this one, but remember the old adage, "A stitch
in time saves (embarrassment.)

Kirsten Martindale
earlmart@bellsouth.net

> Greetings! I am part of a committee here at Cranston Public Library that
has been assigned the task of organinzing a process of orientation and
initial training of new staff. >
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:07:59 -0500
From: "elaine" <elainem@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: may storytimes

thanks to all who responded to my inquiry about ideas for may storytimes. i
got some great ideas from everyone! more ideas are still welcome for
fingerplays/stories about butterflies, trains, turtles, spring...

thanks...

elaine

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 11:16:15 -0500
From: "Kid Ref" <kidref@euclid.lib.oh.us>
Subject: Re: pubyac V1 #654

Charles Schacht wrote:

I just can't help but feel that if
> kids get the message that there's nothing they can do about being heavy, then
> they're going to spend the rest of their lives being heavy, but if they get the
> message that with hard work and self control and a good support group they can
> do pretty well, their chances are a lot better. Are we not about helping
> young people believe in their own capabilities? Then let's help them believe
> that they don't HAVE to be heavy except in very rare cases. It's HARD - but
> they can do hard things if they put their minds to it and keep their eyes on
> the p rize. Chuck

Chuck,

I would be willing to help them to believe that, if there were good
evidence that it is -true-. However, the evidence is at least as good
that believing that, and trying to be thin, -increases- weight over the
long haul.

It's no good teaching people things that aren't true just because we
think those things are helpful. And in this case, the evidence isn't
even there that the idea -is- helpful.


Bonita
(Bonita Kale, Euclid Public Library)

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 14:57:32 -0800
From: torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us (Torrie Hodgson Children's Librarian)
Subject: Re: School Assignments and the Public Library

>My question is "Should libraries purchase several copies of a book
>on a topic that is scarcely written about just to satisfy patrons needs,
>even if the quality of the literature is poor?"

Probably yes if it is factually accurate. I am taking "poor
literature" to mean poorly written.

However, it is better to have nothing on a topic than to have
something that is factually inaccurate.

This is a quick, from-the-hip response and probably won't completely
cover all situations. Of course these are my opinions, not my
library's.....etc.

Torrie 8)




Torrie Hodgson, mutant librarian from the center of the earth!

Burlington Public Library
900 East Fairhaven Ave
Burlington, WA 98233
Phone (360) 755-0760 Fax (360) 755-0717
torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:45:36 -0500
From: "Earl and Kirsten Martindale" <earlmart@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: STARTS AND FINISHES

This is nothing short of plagiarism (so I'll give credit where credit is
due). This is a recent submission by Kim Kietzman of Rock Island, IL, but I
think it's one of the best I've heard in a long time.



(to the tune of Bingo)
I have a friend, the very best,
And we read books together.
You are my good friends (point to children)
You are my good friends (again, pointing)
You are my good friends (you get the picture),
And we read books together.

Thanks, Kim!

Kirsten Martindale
earlmart@bellsouth.net
- ----- Original Message -----

> Would any of you be willing to share your favorite starting and finishing
> songs/verses/speeches/whatever for preschool story hours?
>

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:03:22 -0700
From: Diane_Tuccillo@ci.mesa.az.us
Subject: YA CDs

Thanks to Nancy Milone for her response about "parental advisory" CDs for
YAs. Our problem really does center around the fact that our library's
material selection policy does not directly address the issue of CDs and
these labels at this time. As long as I have a policy to back me, I can
comfortably purchase these CDs for our collection. I will present her
comments to our Administrators and ask if we can amend the materials
selection policy to include CDs.
Thanks again, Nancy. I bet I am not the only one who will benfit from your
input.

Diane Tuccillo, Mesa Public Library, AZ

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:39:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Smith <lsmith@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Re: YA's and the Internet

Computers in the Adult Ref. area are not filtered and are available to
anyone who signs up.
Problems: Chat rooms seem to freeze up the terminals for some reason and
we keep having to re-boot. Heavy, heavy use of porn sites.
Some of the librarians want to exclude Middle School age kids from the
adult computers and restrict them to the Children's room where we filter
with CyberPatrol.
One librarian is so upset he wants a sign to effect that library computers
are for "serious" work only. The others then bring up the question of
enforcement.
So far we have not come up with a solution that suits everyone.

Lisa Smith
lsmith@suffolk.lib.ny.us

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 11:16:15 -0500
From: "Kid Ref" <kidref@euclid.lib.oh.us>
Subject: Re: pubyac V1 #654

Charles Schacht wrote:

I just can't help but feel that if
> kids get the message that there's nothing they can do about being heavy, then
> they're going to spend the rest of their lives being heavy, but if they get the
> message that with hard work and self control and a good support group they can
> do pretty well, their chances are a lot better. Are we not about helping
> young people believe in their own capabilities? Then let's help them believe
> that they don't HAVE to be heavy except in very rare cases. It's HARD - but
> they can do hard things if they put their minds to it and keep their eyes on
> the p rize. Chuck

Chuck,

I would be willing to help them to believe that, if there were good
evidence that it is -true-. However, the evidence is at least as good
that believing that, and trying to be thin, -increases- weight over the
long haul.

It's no good teaching people things that aren't true just because we
think those things are helpful. And in this case, the evidence isn't
even there that the idea -is- helpful.


Bonita
(Bonita Kale, Euclid Public Library)

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:03:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Maria Wegscheid <mwegsche@libby.rbls.lib.il.us>
Subject: Re: Dial-a-story dilemna

On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Kate McLean wrote:

> digress). A company (we think its a local chain of car dealerships) has
> offered to suppport a dial-a-story that this lady would run . . . and they
> would advertise on the end (I can just hear it..."This story was brought to
> you by the good folks at Smith's Ford in downtown Anyville, remember to
> think of us when you're in the market for a car...") Of course essentially
> this was a reference question and she wanted to know what machine I used
> and what kind of machine could she use and about finding non-copyrighted
> materials for the stories, but... I'm bothered.

As a private citizen, sure, you have reason to be concerned about this.
As a librarian, I don't think you can say a word. If this did, in fact,
come to you as a reference question, my belief is all you can do is answer
the question -- period. Any qualms you may have need to be kept to
yourself. It's not the librarian's position to judge.

Now, if they ask your opinion -- well, that's a horse of a different
color...


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Maria J. Wegscheid
Bettendorf (IA) Public Library
mwegsche@libby.rbls.lib.il.us
Views expressed by the author do not necessarily represent those of the
Bettendorf Public Library.

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 19:45:29 -0500
From: ahendon@dorsai.org
Subject: Re: STARTS AND FINISHES

I am a preschool program filler-in - I am really an adult services
librarian - but I have done the program for over a month because our
children's librarian has been out sick. I start with "The More We
Get Together" and I use the names of the children the second time
through ("There's Ashley, and Devin, and Breanna, and Nicholas"..)
We close with a clean up song (Clean up, clean up, everybody
everywhere, clean up, clean up, everybody do your share) and the
children bring up their little rugs (we have rug samples). And then
we sing "If you're leaving and you know it wave goodbye". Our
group are three year olds and they are not good concentrators.
We have found that more songs, fingerplays, and interactive books
(pop-up books) help with the antsy kids.

Alison
Brooklyn Public Library
> Greetings!
> Would any of you be willing to share your favorite starting and finishing
> songs/verses/speeches/whatever for preschool story hours?
> Also: what do you use when the kids get too antsy??
> Thanks in advance,
> Kate
>
>


Alison Hendon
ahendon@amanda.dorsai.org

"Though my soul may set in darkness,
It will rise in perfect light,
I have loved the stars too fondly
To be fearful of the night...."
- Sarah Williams, "The Old Astronomer to His Pupil"

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