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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:57:28 -0400 (EDT)
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:45:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Vanston <jvanston@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Re: Columbine - off-topic opinion - not about privelege
This is my opinion, but the situation in Colorado didn't make me wonder
about privelege vs. poverty. It made me think that the situation of social
cruelty that has existed in school for a long time needs to be addressed.
I don't think gun control is the solution. I think that high school is a
very emotional time, and that the social pecking order exacerbates
problems. True, lots of kids have had a horrible high school experience,
and they have not killed people. But perhaps they resorted to suicide
instead. Or maybe they just soldiered on, and later went for therapy (or
suffered silently).
There is no easy answer, but my wish is that high schools would institute
some social skills programs or something similar, instead of blaming
violent music or video games or gun laws. These boys were in pain, and
although that does not excuse
their horrific actions, think about how many other kids may be suffering
because they, too, are unwanted social outcasts.
Jennifer Vanston
jvanston@suffolk.lib.ny.us
"People say that life is the thing, but I prefer reading"
-Logan Pearsall Smith
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:24:24 -0500
From: Paula Lopatic <paulal@alpha1.rpls.lib.il.us>
Subject: real life = lunch
As an offshoot on the library school debate......
When I started as the children's librarian here nearly 19 years ago, my
director encouraged me to take advantage of all of the continuing
ed/workshop/meetings, etc. that were offered in our area of central
Illinois. Then she said, "And always go to lunch with the other
librarians. You'll learn more at lunch than at any meeting." And she was
right!
Paula Lopatic
Vespasian Warner Public Library
310 N. Quincy St.
Clinton, IL 61727
217/935-5174
fax 217/935-4425
paulal@rpls.lib.il.us
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:44:40 -0700
From: Jill Patterson <jpatterson@ci.glendora.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Dream Dare Do Program
My daughter's school hosted a "Dream Dare Do" workshop this fall.
Can't
remember if it was through HPK Marketing. I had already arranged for a
kite assembly for the following week--my contact for that program called me
and offered this program gratis. I remember the literature I received
stating that this program started in Hawaii and that it was being expanded
to the mainland this year.
I wasn't there for the program, but my PTA partner and the principal both
raved about it. So did my daughter, who normally never says anything about
an assembly. The program featured two "yo-ers" who wowed the kids with
their stunts. They said that anyone could have a dream, but it takes hard
work and staying off drugs to achieve it (this is my 10-year old daughter's
interpretation of the message, BTW).
Yes, it seemed too good to be true to me, but it wasn't!
At 02:52 PM 4/26/99 EDT, you wrote:
>We have been given the opportunity to host a "Dream Dare Do"
workshop
through
>HPK Marketing. This is a workshop that teachs goal-setting and being
>drug-free. It incorporates the yo-yo as a vehicle to keep children's
>attention. HPK Marketing said they will do this program for free. It
almost
>seems too good to be true. Has anyone hosted this workshop or worked with
>this organization? If so, please share your thoughts. TIA
Jill Patterson jpatterson@ci.glendora.ca.us
Glendora Public Library 140 S. Glendora Ave. Glendora, CA 91741
Tel: 626/852-4896 FAX: 626/852-4899
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:21:56 PDT
From: "linda allen" <lindaallen@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: videos
When I was a school librarian I ordered some great ones through
Scholastic:Eric Carle, Norman Bridwell, Bruce Deegan & Joanna Cole.
Also, Follet has a series of author videos in their catalog with many
popular authors. Some were not so captivating but the Bruce Coville
one was entertaining. I loved to do author studies.
Linda Allen, Lynnwood Library, Lynnwood, WA
>From: Karen Sutherland <ksutherland@bplib.org>
>To: pubyac@nysernet.org
>Subject: videos
>
>I have been asked by the school librarian at one of the schools we
serve
>if we have videos on any author and if I will plan a program around
that
>author.
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:38:11 -0400
From: bwilliams@brdgprtpl.lib.ct.us (Bina Williams)
Subject: RE: Columbine area, Colorado
Part of why Carol and the rest of us children's librarians do (or should)
care about the YA's is that they are just the next age phase of "our"
kids.
The lapsitters turn into twos and toddlertime kids. These kids grow into
our K-3 program attendees who then become our reading club members.
Why, when the kids reach the magic age of 14 or so, should libraries stop
caring about them and stop offering them quality services? It is part of
the continuum of what the director of my previous library called "cradle to
grave" library services. (We were next door to the Sr. center and the
cemetary...)
If the kids feel disenfranchised in their own families, we can offer some
adult friendship/mentoring that they might need. We can give them a bit of
attention, encourage them, and be supportive. It is interesting that the
thread about Safe Places should have appeared just before this horrid
situation in Colorado hit. We can help kids realize that there are options
in life and that there are resources to help in times of trouble.
The threat raised by school violence is a very complicated matter which
will take years to heal. We also need to pay attention to other kinds of
violence and distractions like drugs that rob our young adults and children
of their childhoods. I hope that we as professionals can offer alternatives
for some of these kids. A great program might help some of those who are
really good kids, but might be a bit bored. Given the choice between a
negative or a positive activity, I have faith that most kids would go for
the "positive." I think that we really need to make that an equal
priority
to the Early Reading Success programs. (The Later Living Success
program???)
Bina Williams
Bridgeport CT Public Library
Bwilliams@brdgprtpl.lib.ct.us
My opinions, etc.
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"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
little statesmen and philosophers and divines."
Ralph Waldo Emerson, from Self Reliance
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:04:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: "<Lesley Knieriem>" <lknierie@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Graphic novels
*******please excuse the cross-posting*****************
Anyone who is interested in Comic Books and Graphic Novels in the
public libraries should really check out the site being created *just for
librarians* by the good folks at Wizard Magazine, probably the
pre-eminent fan magazine for comic book readers. The librarian site is NOT
evident from their homepage; you must type in the address
<http://wizardworld.com/library>
Right now they have a pretty good list of recommended graphic
novels and are starting to put up annotations. They are VERY EAGER to get
feedback from librarians on how to make the site more useful. So if you
know something about graphic novels and want to put in your two cents; or
if you know nothing about graphic novels and are eager to get advice and
help from those in the business, I urge you strongly to check the site out
and send them your comments, questions, and suggestions.
Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Wizard Magazine except
being a reader. I just think it's terrific to have somebody in the
publishing industry so eager to help out librarians (well, in all
fairness, they would also like to make sales from the site, but you
certainly don't have to buy anything from them to make good use of it) and
it would be a shame to have the effort wasted by a lack of response on our
part!
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~ Lesley Knieriem ~
~ YA / Reference Librarian (516) 549-4411 ~
~ South Huntington Public Library fax (516) 549-6832 ~
~ Huntington Station, NY 11746 lknierie@suffolk.lib.ny.us ~
~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~
~ "It is almost impossible to catch a speedy invisible model ~
~ automobile, even when one is a skillful dentist." --E.B. White ~
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:14:01 -0700
From: Ann-Marie Biden <ambiden@nancy.ci.san-marino.ca.us>
Subject: Dr. Laura...
Re Kathleen's post about Dr. Laura:
I caught about 10 minutes of her rampage last Friday while driving in the
car. I almost had to pull over, I was so enraged! She is upset about
ALA's stance on unfiltered internet access, and the particular site she
mentioned that day was the Alice site put up by Columbia University. You
can get to it through ALA's site for teens. She claims it is pornographic,
but all I found under the "Ask Alice" button were questions about sex
submitted anonymously by teens. They are answered by university
professionals, I assume.
She went on to tell her listeners to cut off funding to public libraries if
they do not filter, buy books at bookstores, and take their kids to
storytimes at the bookstores. In other words, boycott. My husband tells me
she's been on this kick for quite a while...this was the first I'd heard
about it. My impression of the whole situation is that she really has it
out for ALA!!! What have others heard?
Ann-Marie
Ann-Marie Biden, Youth Services Librarian
San Marino Public Library
1890 Huntington Dr.
San Marino, CA 91108
tel (626) 300-0776 fax (626)284-0766
ambiden@ci.san-marino.ca.us
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:35:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale)
Subject: apology
Sorry, I hit a few wrong keys and sent a message here that didn't belong
here.
Bonita
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Bonita Kale
bf455@cleveland.freenet.edu
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:04:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Mary K. Chelton" <mchelton@pop.erols.com>
Subject: Ghosts from the Nursery
Carrie Eldridge wrote:
>In regards to Caroline Edwards and her rant....
In was just three weeks ago I was talking to the lady in this town that
runs the Family Resource Network. (We are working on a joint project for
babies) Somehow we got on the topic of violence and children (prompted by
my watching a Ophra show on same topic - a wonderful show by the way on how
we raise our boys in this society). She recommended a book called Ghosts
from the Nursery about how violence starts with a babys early experiences.
I haven't got my hands on it yet - but if anyone has read it and wants to
review it on pubyac for us all - that would be helpful.<
I think this is one of the most important books on kids I have read in
years! Interspersing a case study of a young man in jail with discussions
of brain development in young children, the author talks about the small
"windows" within which certain kinds of development take place, and
what
happens when improper or unanticipated stimuli are experienced, as in child
neglect or abuse. In the end, she gives three parallel hypothetical
portraits of a crying baby and three different plausible responses, all
with different outcomes. It is absolutely chilling and should probably be
read aloud to YA parenting classes. Violent adolescents--like her jailed
case study--become almost predictable.
Mary K. Chelton
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Associate Professor
Graduate School of Library & Information Studies
Queens College
254 Rosenthal Library
65-30 Kissena Blvd.
Flushing, NY 11367-1597
USA
Voice: (718) 997-3667
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Senility Prayer
God grant me the Senility to forget the people I never liked anyway,
the good fortune to run into the ones I do,
and the eyesight to tell the difference...
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:51:28
From: Caes <caes@pacificrim.net>
Subject: RE: Puppet stage
<,snip> Arm rest? Eek! Puppeteers should never rest their arms on
anything while
>they're performing. It takes a lot of energy out of the show. If your arms
>get tired (and mine sure did the first few months), that goes away after a
>while if you perform often enough. <snap>
I'm a lomg-time one-woman puppeteer, and I agree with everything that
Walter Minkle said, but I want to add to the above that even a few weeks of
simple upper body weight training can give you all the strength and stamina
you need for a demanding puppet show, without having to go through several
painful performances to get there.
Right now, I'm really enthralled with resistance bands, which give the
same benefits as free weights, but are cheap and lightweight and allow
you to do your workout anywhere at all.
Catherine
caes@pacificrim.net
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:27:50 -0500
From: "Corby Poursaba" <poursaba@yukon.lib.ok.us>
Subject: Re: Dr. Laura
Check out Dr. Laura's website to read what she's saying about ALA...
http://www.drlaura.com/frames.html
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:25:52 -0600
From: Betsy.Fraser@public-library.calgary.ab.ca (Betsy Fraser)
Subject: Re: Stumper Solved -- Fractured Fairy Tales
We also have difficulties in cataloguing with Fractured Fairy tales. You can
often find them with "parodies, imitations" and the name of the tale,
but I
have also done an annotated list (I'm in the process of updating) which is on
the Children's Literature WebGuide at:
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~dkbrown/fft.html
If anyone knows of a tale that I've missed, please let me know off list.
Thank you,
Betsy Fraser
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Betsy Fraser
Branch Librarian - Louise Riley Branch - Calgary Public Library
Betsy.Fraser@public-library.calgary.ab.ca
http://public-library.calgary.ab.ca
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:26:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Deborah Stewart <dstewart@grapids.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Ghosts from the Nursery
Karr-Morse, Robin. Ghosts from the Nursery
One of our professors on this list mentioned _Ghosts from the Nursery_
back in November or December and I did read it at this time. It's a very
disturbing book especially if you are a single mom and have a very active
5 year old boy who doesn't behave at storytimes the way his introverted,
librarian Mom thinks he should...:) Thank goodness for teachers,
professionals, t-ball coaches, and other community members.
The writers - Robin Karr-Morse, is a licensed family therapist who was
previously the director of parent training for the Oregon child welfare
system and served as the first executive director of the Oregon Children's
Trust Fund, the state's major effort to prevent child abuse statewide and
Meredith S. Wiley, a lawyer and graduate of Harvard with a master's
degree in public administration , worked as chief of staff to the Oregon
Speaker of the House worked with Robin Karr-Morse to design and manage
"Children's Care Team," charged with restructuring Oregon's services
to
families and children. They use interviews and research studies to
document the causes of violence in children. Many behavioral effects such
as hyperactivity, attention deficits, learning difficulties, and
aggressiveness can be caused by prenatal drug exposure to alcohol,
cocaine, heroin, and nicotine. In interviews with Jeffrey, who is on Death
Row for a murder he committed at age sixteen, and his siblings, we read a
story filled with neglect, parental abuse, and many foster homes. Jeffrey
also had some of the behavioral and learning disabilities which combined
with his upbringing led to violence. The book is a wake-up call to the
social service system that we need to work with at-risk populations,
prenatally and in the first 5 years of life. It is too late when children
get to school. Many children who are not allowed to develop properly
due to neglect and abuse in their first year of life can never quite
recover even if they are placed in developmentally appropriate
environments after
that.
Yes, libraries need to keep programs for the 5's and under and include
parents as much as possible. It can only help.
Last night I was walking to choir and teen-age boys were jumping off the
church's back steps with roller skates. Before the Columbine tragedy, I
would have just thought boys will be boys. After the tragedy, I said to
them "I don't think this is such a great idea." Discussed today with a
co-worker other things to say. I think we need to pay more attention
to our young adults in little ways. They're a hard group to reach and we
are all stretched as it is. Starting small is fine.
I too thought of the Ghosts from the Nursery book when the Columbine
tragedy hit. I am projecting many of my experiences on this tragedy - how
I was an outsider nerd myself in high school, my parental concerns and
fears. We are all projecting our own experiences, fears, and prejudices.
There is HOPE. All that praying has got to be working. We are closer now
due to technology, internet, and there has been a lot of discussion on the
couple of listservs I'm on about the Columbine tragedy that express a lot
of humanity and love. Let's not blame and dwell in negative thought. On
the library shelf next to _Ghosts from the Nursery_ is a book _It's
Nobody's Fault: New Hope and Help for Difficult Children and Their
Parents_. Treatments and medications do help. There are caring people out
there.
Librarian, parent, and community member,
Debbie
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Youth Services Specialist can fly. All you need is somewhere to go
Grand Rapids Public Library that you can't get to any other way. The
60 Library Plaza next thing you know, you're flying among
Grand Rapids, MI 49503 the stars."
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:55:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pamela Stack <pstack@vlc.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Thanks for help
Hi,
Just a quick note to thank everyone who responded to my coloring popcorn
question. I found that the cake decorating color worked the best.
Of course my family has been eating some strange popcorn the last few
days. Thanks again for all the help!!!!
Pamela C. Stack
pstack@vlc.lib.mi.us
Children's Librarian
St. Charles District Library
St. Charles, Michigan
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:29:00 -0400
From: JMason@Scholastic.com
Subject: RE: Alternate Newberys
As the publisher of "Harry Potter," we are of course flattered that
your
fifth graders selected this book as "their" Newbery winner.
Unfortunately,
alas, the Harry Potter books are not eligible to win a Newbery. To be
eligible for a Newbery, the author has to be a citizen or a resident of the
United States. J.K. Rowling is British and she lives in Edinburgh,
Scotland. If this rule were not in place, I have no doubt Harry Potter
would be a serious Newbery contender, so congratulations to your students on
picking a "winner!"
John Mason, Associate Marketing Director
Scholastic, 555 Broadway, New York, NY 10012-3999
Phone (212) 343-7607 Fax(212) 343-7604 email: jmason@scholastic.com
>
> Hello, everyone! We've just gotten the results of our Alternate Newberys
> here in Armonk.
> Rowling, J.K. "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" Winner!
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:36:59 -0400
From: YA assistant <JDICKEY@ESCHER.dnet.cuyahoga.lib.oh.us>
Subject: RE: Dr. Laura
In my opinion, Dr. Laura is a fraud. She seems to me very
judgmental and sees things very black and white. She has probably
*solved* the teen violence problem in one convenient radio show, by
making clear who is to blame. This rush to judgement style is very
popular. There's no need to think anything through or deal with the
complexity of an issue like this.
Today I had two women come in. One wanted a mystery for a freshman
boy, but no murder or violence. The other brought up Columbine and
said we should be looking at what we are offering the kids. In
other words, the books we offer are to blame. Again, I think she's
looking for a simplistic answer to a complex problem.
Sad, but challenged,
Janet
@/^\^/^\^/^\^/^\/^\^/^\^/^\^/^\^/^\^/^\^/^/^\^/^\^/^\^/^\^/^\@
Janet Dickey, YA assistant, Cuyahoga Cty. PL (suburban Cleveland)
<jdickey@cuyahoga.lib.oh.us>
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Anyone's Guess (grades 6 9) and InvestiCats (grades 3 5)
Mystery Kits
http://www.lochnet.com/doubledog/main.htm
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:38:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Serchay <a013213t@bc.seflin.org>
Subject: Re: Columbine area, Colorado
On Sun, 25 Apr 1999, Jan Chapman wrote:
>
> But YA's are only visible to some librarians as a potential nuisance (and
> sometimes they are a pain!). When they come in droves to find information
for
> a report, the reference librarians grouse. Do they scold the taxpayer who
> comes in on April 14th for a last minute tax form? You betcha, they don't!
> But some librarians feel free to give YA's the evil eye when they come in
the
> day before a report is due and request information.
>
Well actually we did grumble about the last minute tax people, especially
those who griped that, since we had run out of "giveaway" forms, they
had
to pay a whole 15 cents per page to photocopy them (we were open until 9
on the 15th, the last tax person came at 8:45). As for the report kids,
I'm as likely to gripe about the teacher as I am about them (in that
they'll send 50 kids to look for something we don't have or had one,
long-ago-checked-out copy of).
As for YAs, in my first year on the job I've havn't done much more than
buy books for them and help with reports, but I am setting up some YA
programing over the summer.
David Serchay
Youth Services Librarian
Deerfield Beach Library
Broward County, FL
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