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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:34:20 -0400 (EDT)
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:08:03 -0500
From: Ann Randolph <sct001@mail.connect.more.net>
Subject: Help with name for YA summer Reading club
Hello pubyaccers:
I'm in need of your collective wisdom. I have a YAAC committee who have
come up with a theme for their Summer Reading Club, but are having trouble
with a title or catchy phrase. The theme is old "B" grade, campy
movies.
The idea sprang from the Upstart Catalog's poster, "Don't judge a book by
it's movie," and "You've seen the movie, now read the book."
However they
(and I) believe the posters don't quite work for a whole summer program.
We are in need of some suggestions for the title of the program. We were
trying to fit in "reel" (ie, Read a reel good book) but are not tied
to the
word.
If anybody has any suggestion would you please email them to me. TIA.
sct001@mail.connect.more.net
Ann Randolph
Youth Service Coordinator
Cape Girardeau Public
711 N. Clark St.
Cape Girardeau, MO 63701
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:36:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nissa Perez <blathdubh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The Mummy
The audience that I saw it with must have wondered
what a librarian is because no one said anything. I,
however, hollered at the top of my lungs. ;)
Nissa
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:55:56 +0000
From: rdhall@mail.cinetwork.com
Subject: ALA New Orleans roommate
I am being sent to ALA this summer and am looking for a roommate. If you
are interested in sharing a room, please email me privately. (female,
non-smoker) Anne Hall
Anne & Roger Hall
Berea, Kentucky
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:11:17 -0500
From: "Michelle McInnis" <michelle@grok.calcasieu.lib.la.us>
Subject: Re: Youth Librarians wearing casual attire
At our library we have polo shirts with our library logo's on them. We are
allowed to wear them with jeans on Fridays. The children's department wear
jeans anytime, and we also have special tshirts for the summer and
different ones for the other part of the year. We just recently had long
sleeve denim shirts made with our library name sewn on the pocket area. We
have a cute bookworm and the Children' s Services sewn under it. Many
times we go out to community events, and area schools, and this lets
everyone know who we are. It also lets the patrons in the library know who
we are.
Michelle
Lake Charles Louisiana
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:10:50 -0500
From: Karen Stanley <kstanley@rosenberg-library.org>
Subject: Re: Internet printing fees
We charge 10 cents a page for black & white copies on the Internet (to
go along with our photocopier charges) and $1.00 per page for color
copies.
When we first started copies were free and I found myself being
judgemental about what was printed. This seems much more equitable and
fair. If a child truly needs something copied off the Internet and has
no money we can always make an exception.
Karen Stanley
Rosenberg Library
Galveston, TX
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:16:37 -0400
From: bwilliams@brdgprtpl.lib.ct.us (Bina Williams)
Subject: FW: Father/Son Book Club; My Name is America Club
I had a father son book group at the bookstore where I worked--run by a man
who was a retired educator, but very young in attitude.
After a while, we changed it to a parent-son book group which was better--I
think the key is to start at a youngish age and have the boys grow into it.
We were targeting the older kids who probably had already lost interest in
reading or had many other independent interests. So, going for the younger
kids worked out better.
Bina Williams
Bridgeport Public Library
bwilliams@brdgprtpl.lib.ct.us
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:05:06 EDT
From: Pisces0243@aol.com
Subject: Re: Youth Hostile Libraries
> ... in such a youth-hostile setting, ... how can I, as the so-called Youth
Services
> Specialist,work to attract teens to our library in such an atmosphere?
yup, this is the 64gigabyte question. A few thoughts:
1) work with whom you can work and who can and will work with you. That
probably means,
2) accept the (sad and, at times, infuriating) reality that, when you are
being (in the role of) young adult librarian, most of your authentic
colleagues are other advocates in the community working to empower and
support youth, rather than other librarians.
3) therefore, connect, connect, connect. Virtually any community has some
sort of semi-formal consortium or coalition or
get-together-for-lunch-once-a-month group where youth service and other human
sercice providers exchange info and network.
I've always found myself welcomed in such groups, though it is telling that
I've usually been the first librarian they've had express an interest. At
first, you may have to do this connecting on your own time -- a dangerous
precedent, but hey what's new. After you become an integral contributing
participant, perhaps the group will either informally or formally request
your presence and attendance as important. The connection is both
professionally essential and vital for support in our crazy-making, largely
youth hostile environments.
4) Brer Rabbit -- ok, so your library won't encourage or even authorize
programming ideas you have. Once you have connected with the youth advocacy
folks, you can begin to do things like:
a) "{mumbling quietly to your real YA colleagues at the coffee urn or in
the
corridors} well, of course, the library won't take the lead on this, but of
course, if you were to formally request that the library co-sponsor or host
(fill in the blanks), then I would have no choice but to take that request to
my supervisor, and emphasize the opportunity to build coalitions and
demonstrate our responsiveness, and build good will."
b) " {again mumbling in the hall} if people in the community strongly
requested that we (fill in the blanks), and communicated that to our Director
/ Board of Trustees / funding sources, then maybe our library would see it in
its uh..., enlightened best interest to be more involved in youth
services."
5) think outside your building -- if you can not program at the library,
offer to provide supportive assistance to existing groups and activities
(prepare a thematic bookmark or pathfinder to be distributed when some
significant youth event is taking place in your community; set up a YA table
at the county fair; bring a sampling of 610s to display at area "health
fairs"; etc. In time, you will likely be asked by the community to
participate and maybe host activities -- when you reach that point, it is the
library administrator who will be in the awkward position of needing to
defend a lack of cooperation.
6) quietly -- at least at first, if you'd like to keep your job <laugh> --
develop at least one working relationship with a youth friendly and library
supportive journalist contact. Don't wait til you 'need' coverage; earn
trust as a reliable lead, and an occasional over tea or coffee
co-commiserator. (Journalists are people too, and in many ways, professional
cousins.)
7) Always, at the same time, think carefully about the unintended
consequences and impacts on other library staff and functions when you are
"doing" YA. Sometimes these are real and significant, sometimes they
provide
excuses to grumble and go "aha! i knew it was a bad idea". Either way,
think
how to minimize them, ahead of time, out of respect for your co-workers.
In other words, in my opinion, effective committed YA work is largely
subversive, as well as interesting, crucial, and very rewarding.
thom stuart
St. Cloud, MN
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:39:45 -0500
From: John Laskowski <jlaskow@esls.lib.wi.us>
Subject: Re: Internet printing fees
Thank you to all who responded to my printing question. I think they went a
long way to swaying the board into amending the fees to include printing
from the Internet.
John Laskowski
Lester Public Library
1001 Adams St
Two Rivers, WI 54241
(920) 793-8888
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:34:31 PDT
From: "Ginny McKee" <ginny1222@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Internet printing fees
Several of you charge for printing. How are you collecting the money -
before they print, on an honor system, using a debit card?
Ginny McKee
Youth Services Coordinator
Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh
mckeev@clpgh.org or ginny1222@hotmail.com
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:32:15 -0500
From: Marilyn Zaruba <fmpl@startext.net>
Subject: Re: Theme Based Kits
I am curious if you check out each item in the kit individually or the kit as a
whole?
TIA.
Marilyn
Mansfield Public
TChumbley@bettendorf.lib.ia.us wrote:
> We currently have twelve kits (6 topics at preschool and primary level)
that
> we started circulating about 6 months ago. <snip>
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:52:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Harriett Smith <harriett@darkwing.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Re: clothing for YA librarians?
On Mon, 10 May 1999, Kid Ref wrote:
> Well, I think YA librarians should definitely wear clothing--it's hard
> to project authority if you're naked, somehow.
although, it would definitely command attention!
harriett
harriett smith lady juliet campion
catalog dept, knight library costume coordinator, english
university of oregon, eugene 97403 renaissance madrigal dinner
1-541-346-1863 eugene vocal arts ensemble
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~harriett 1-541-344-1863 or 1-541-346-1863
harriett@darkwing.uoregon.edu
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:31:05 -0400
From: Catherine Quattlebaum <quattlec@mail.wilkes.public.lib.ga.us>
Subject: Thank you, Katja!
Katja,
Yours is the most level-headed advice I've heard lately with regard to
Dr. Laura. The last thing she needs is short-sighted librarians getting
all flustered and giving her more ammunition; after all, she eats that
kind of thing for breakfast. We do ourselves a disservice when we let
her bait us like that.
My two cents: One or two books on a shelf--or web sites on the
Internet--does not the downfall of civilization make. I would sooner
have expected Dr. Laura to go after the fact that children hang out
alone in public libraries all day b/c their parents trust the
library--an institution, mind you--to make the same decisions for their
children that they would make themselves.
Thanks.
Catherine Quattlebaum
Georgia
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:36:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lisa Holonitch <lholonit@gcfn.org>
Subject: Re: Dr Laura
Katja,
Good idea. But I think even better is to just ignore her. Who has the
time to listen to her narrow-minded crap. Who is she anyway and why
should we care about her opinions? I don't. I'd rather focus my
energies on more positive people and activities, like the great work that
gets done at my library every day and the wonderful people I work with and
for.
Sincerely,
Lisa Holonitch
Columbus Metropolitan Library
Columbus, OH
On Mon, 10 May 1999, Katja Ermann wrote:
> I have tried twice to post pro-library opinions on Dr. Laura's
> (moderated) forum on her web site, but neither posting showed up. There's
> free discussion for you.
<snip>
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:23:09 -0600
From: Riley.Gen@public-library.calgary.ab.ca (Generic Louise Riley)
Subject: Re: Mother/daughter book club
I am proposing that my branch tests a mother/daughter book club for next
winter. I would be very eager to hear from people who have done this
program (I assure you I don't have anything against boys, I just have
several mother/daughter combinations who are regular customers.)
Do you lead the groups? Suggest all the titles? Have limited sessions?
I would be grateful for any advice or thoughts on this matter.
Thank you,
Betsy Fraser
Branch Librarian, Louise Riley Branch
Calgary Public Library
Betsy.Fraser@public-library.calgary.ab.ca
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:59:55 -0400
From: "Minkel, Walter (Cahners -NYC)" <WMinkel@cahners.com>
Subject: RE: The Mummy
I saw it too. But I groaned & made a face during this scene, since we had at
the beginning of the movie seen her in her library "maintaining it" in
a
not-very-competent fashion... It was a classic "librarians are
intrinsically
repressed & deserve to be laughed at" situation, unfortunately. --W
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Walter Minkel
wminkel@cahners.com * (212) 463-6721
Technology Editor, _School Library Journal_
> I went to see The Mummy this weekend and was surprised to find that the
> female lead character is a librarian! She even has this scene, where she
> says that she's proud of what she is... "I am a librarian!"
> Unfortunately, the audience that I saw it with laughed, I clapped!
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:32:12 -0400
From: kskellen@mail.gcpl.public.lib.ga.us (Kendra Skellen)
Subject: RE: Youth Hostile Libraries
You need to work on educating the other librarians in the building. How
does your branch manager feel about the teens? Often the attitude of the
staff is a reflection of the manager. Get her on the side of improving
relationships with teens. Do they realize that these are future tax payers
and if we kick them out of the library now, they will not support libraries
in their future.
Go ahead and plan for programs even if you have to plan them three months
out. We plan our whole year out and do it several months before the year
even begins.
Kendra Skellen
Librarian II - Programming and Outreach
Gwinnett County Public Library
1001 Lawrenceville Hwy
Lawrenceville, GA 30025-4707
770-277-6011
(fax) 770-822-5379
kskellen@mail.gcpl.public.lib.ga.us
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:56:34 -0500
From: "Mary J. Soucie" <mjsoucie@htls.lib.il.us>
Subject: Re: Dr Laura
Katja,
Hello. I did just that- I posted the letter I sent her to LM_NET. The
response I got was once again pointing out the ALA Link to the Alice site. At
that point, I decided that I had spoken my piece and was not going to change
her mind. Maybe if she gets a flood of professional dignified letters, it
will make a difference, but I don't think so.
Katja Ermann wrote:
> I have tried twice to post pro-library opinions on Dr. Laura's
> (moderated) forum on her web site, but neither posting showed up. There's
> free discussion for you.
>
> I can't believe the childish behavior exhibited by some pro-ALA people.
> Prank calls? Are we the teenagers? Let's all write her dignified letters
> explaining that filters don't work accurately, that parents need to take
> responsibility for their kids (isn't personal responsibility her big
> "thing"?), and quote her stats on teen sex and drug use (proving
that some
> of them at least NEED the info on Ask Alice). If we flood her with
> professional but firm letters, perhaps she'll shut up.
>
> Katja
>
> *******************************************
> Katja Ermann, Children's Librarian
> Somerset County Library, Hillsborough Branch (NJ)
> kermann@rvcc.raritanval.edu
- --
Mary J. Soucie
Youth Services Consultant
Heritage Trail Library System
815-729-3345 x110
mailto:mjsoucie@htls.lib.il.us
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:12:43 -0600
From: Riley.Gen@public-library.calgary.ab.ca (Generic Louise Riley)
Subject: Re: Dr. Laura
>Parents are
>trusting us to provide materials that are appropriate for their
>children.
Actually, we are trusting that parents will take the time and effort to
choose WITH and FOR their own children. I don't particularly want
someone else deciding what is inappropriate for MY children; at the same
time, I find it amazing that parents who will leave their children in
the library will expect us to monitor what is or isn't appropriate.
As a child, I was given a lot of latitude in what I read. Mom trusted me
as I got older, and read to me when I was younger. We (librarians) are
not babysitters, and I do not feel that Dr. Laura's desire to dictate
what my children should not read is something that should be encouraged.
As far as the "Go Ask Alice" site, I wish I'd seen it when I was 16
and
didn't have anyone else to ask. Is Dr. Laura afraid of a little
competition? I think she can take her own didactic and wooden little
book and continue to promote it herself.
Betsy Fraser,
Branch Librarian, Louise Riley Branch
Calgary Public Library
- - The opinions expressed here are the opinions of the writer and not
Calgary Public Library. -
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:33:41 -0400
From: kskellen@mail.gcpl.public.lib.ga.us (Kendra Skellen)
Subject: RE: Youth Librarians wearing casual attire
We have a library T-shirt, polo shirt and long sleeve T-shirt with our
library logo small on the front and big on the back (not on the polo). You
have to purchase it yourself through the library. The cost is reasonable,
$8 for a T-shirt, $10 for the long sleeve T-shirt and I'm not sure on the
polo.
We are also fairly relaxed on the dress code. Dockers (or similar) can be
worn at any time with polo's. T-shirts are only supposed to be worn for
special occasions, such as T-shirt Mondays (Relay For Life fundraiser),
Summer reading club activities, and any other occasions the branch managers
decide to let their staff 'dress down'.
The Programming & Outreach department (a department of 3, who do all the
children's programs in a system of 9 branches) usually spend the whole
summer in casual attire, t-shirts, etc. We have often worn shorts (Bermuda
length) when appropriate. We have been know to wear jeans while doing
programs as long as it fits into the program that you are doing. In other
words, I would not wear jeans to a program in conjunction with the public
schools, but have in doing family programs at night, where the theme lends
itself to very casual attire.
If you have established a rapport with the youth in your community, they
are not going to be concerned about what you wear. More in what you say
and how you act.
Kendra Skellen
Librarian II - Programming and Outreach
Gwinnett County Public Library
1001 Lawrenceville Hwy
Lawrenceville, GA 30025-4707
770-277-6011
(fax) 770-822-5379
kskellen@mail.gcpl.public.lib.ga.us
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:30:53 -0500
From: Marilyn Zaruba <fmpl@startext.net>
Subject: Re: Dr. Laura
AMEN.
I had a dialogue with a patron yesterday who thought we were being
irresponsible for having the Internet and allowing patrons access to the ALA
site & similar 'pornography.' I kept repeating that we require parental
supervision when children use the Internet. She replied that that was just
another example of people avoiding their responsibilities & 'pushing' it off
on others.
She mentioned the word 'lawsuit' and I let that slide. Her 10-yr-old daughter
tried to tell me about a book we had in the children's area & I could tell
by
her tone that there was something wrong with the book. She said it was on her
reading list & I interrupted to ask if she went to public school....no, she
is
homeschooled & it was on her reading list! I didn't even ask the title of
the
book.
Sorry, but I have done battle with an Internet computer for the past two days
& have reloaded software & fiddled with the operating files until I
almost
don't feel like a rational person & now I have to prepare for storytime in 2
hours. I just had to vent.
Dr. Laura needs to go after someone else for a change, but I think we will
remain the topic d'jour for some time to come....she is getting the
recognition she wants.
Marilyn
Mansfield Public Library
Valorie A. Minch wrote:
> Chuck- I hear what you're saying but let's look at another piece of
> reality- libraries are not always safe for unattended children. You take
> the same chance when you leave your child unattended at the mall. Yes, I
> am saying that children should be accompanied by an adult when they are at
> the library. Parents don't work 24 hours a day and libraries are often
> open during the evening. When young adults come into the library after
> school I believe it is between the parent and the young adult to decide if
> internet use is acceptable. As always, parents are ultimately responsible
> for what their children do.
>
> Valorie A. Minch
> Children's Librarian
> Livonia Civic Center Library
> 32777 Five Mile Road
> Livonia, MI 48154
> vminch@tln.lib.mi.us
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