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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:00:27 -0400 (EDT)
To: pubyac-digest@nysernet.org
Subject: pubyac V1 #701
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:41:19 -0600
From: "Betsy Stroome" <bstroome@lafayette.lib.co.us>
Subject: Re: Theme Based Kits
Our theme kits have a single barcode. Our computer system (Dynix) is set up
to prompt the person at circ to type in the number of items being checked
out. When the kit comes back, it prompts for the number of items being
checked back in. Our circ staff does the checking and counting of items.
This system works well for us, and we seem to catch most missing items at
check-in time.
Betsy
Betsy Stroomer
Lafayette Public Library
Lafayette, CO
bstroome@lafayette.lib.co.us
>I am curious if you check out each item in the kit individually or the kit
as a whole?
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:29:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: clothing for YA librarians?
On Mon, 10 May 1999, Kid Ref wrote:
> But chinos and polos seem fine to me for anyone working in the library.
> After all, this is not an executive job; you have to be able to crawl
> around and climb on stools and get the books!
I remember we'd invited Mary Nash (I think that's her name - she was the
librarian for NASA/Ames) to speak at SJSU Library School and I was wearing
comfortable slacks, flats and a turtleneck sweater. She was dressed in
a classy suit and low heels. I asked her if my attire would be appropriate
in the NASA setting & she paused and admitted that, no, it probably
wouldn't.
Heels, nylons and suits every day? Hmmm.... Public Libraries keep
looking better and better.... :-)
Seriously, isn't the trick to base one's attire on the specific library?
Working reference at a busy city branch call for, say, dressy slacks and a
jacket (or sim. outfit) while doing YA summer programs at a tiny mountain
branch calls for the SRP tee-shirt, shorts and sneakers.
It varies.
Kirsten A. Edwards "It's 1999, of course they have a list of them
kirstedw@kcls.org on the Web, everything's on the Web these days,
when I was in school, we would have had to walk
to the LIBRARY and find a bunch of DEAD TREES
glued together on a DUSTY SHELF, and it would
have been OUT OF DATE ANYWAY!" - C.K. Davis
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:36:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: The Mummy
On Mon, 10 May 1999, Kate McLean wrote:
> I went to see The Mummy this weekend and was surprised to find that the
> female lead character is a librarian! She even has this scene, where she
> says that she's proud of what she is... "I am a librarian!"
> Unfortunately, the audience that I saw it with laughed, I clapped!
Although I'm one of those people who normally sneer at the polloi who
talk, make noise etc. during films, I covered myself in shame (and proved
there is some justice in the world) by succumbing myself. When Evelyn
made that announcement I yelled "Who HOO!"
What a flick.
Kirsten A. Edwards "It's 1999, of course they have a list of them
kirstedw@kcls.org on the Web, everything's on the Web these days,
when I was in school, we would have had to walk
to the LIBRARY and find a bunch of DEAD TREES
glued together on a DUSTY SHELF, and it would
have been OUT OF DATE ANYWAY!" - C.K. Davis
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:53:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: Dr Laura
On Mon, 10 May 1999, Katja Ermann wrote:
> I can't believe the childish behavior exhibited by some pro-ALA people.
> Prank calls? Are we the teenagers? Let's all write her dignified letters
> explaining that filters don't work accurately, that parents need to take
> responsibility for their kids (isn't personal responsibility her big
> "thing"?), and quote her stats on teen sex and drug use (proving
that some
> of them at least NEED the info on Ask Alice). If we flood her with
> professional but firm letters, perhaps she'll shut up.
Hear! Hear! Besides, Dr. Laura has always taken a very firm stand on
personal responsibility. She *should* be in our corner, not the other way
around.
Kirsten (why not be subversive?) Edwards
kirstedw@kcls.org
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:59:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: Dr. or Prez?
On Sat, 8 May 1999 Pisces0243@aol.com wrote:
> Does anyone really believe that If we end up with mandatory filtering at
the
> end of the year, it will be the result of Dr. Laura's exploitation and
> hypocrisy (and exploitation and hypocrisy they are, indeed, in my opinion)?
I don't think Dr. Laura is either a hypocrite or (more than any other pop.
media person) exploitive. She strikes me as someone who genuinely wants
to do good [*] She's just in error about what that is.
Why not politely inform her? So far it seems she's gotten (1) passionate
but friendly messages from the misinformed and (2) Irritating pranks from
the librarians. How do you expect her to respond?
Kirsten Edwards
kirstedw@kcls.org
[*] Doesn't it seem more likely that a wrongheaded but virtuous person
can do more damage than a wrongheaded incompetant one?
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:05:51 -0500
From: wteale@uic.edu (William Teale)
Subject: Teen Reading Preferences
I just completed a review of all the research from the past ten years on
what teenagers like to read. Unfortunately, it was difficult to get a
clear picture because of gaps and problems with the way much of the
research was conducted.
So, I thought I'd go to one great source and ask those of you on the list
who work with teens what you find to be their favorites--novels,
informational materials, magazines. Any strong trends coming through
(either titles or categories) in your library?
William H. Teale
College of Education (M/C 147)
University of Illinois at Chicago
1040 West Harrison Street
Chicago, IL 60607-7133
(312) 996 4669 (voice)
(312) 413 8083 (FAX)
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:43:37 -0400
From: "Kristen Nyitray" <knyitray@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Unattended Children (of library employees!)
Hello, everybody!
Although our library has an unattended child policy (no child under the age of 9
may be left alone), a Circulation Clerk brings her 7 year old son to the library
during her shift. The child sits quietly and reads during these times, however,
I am uncomfortable telling other patrons our policy while this child is sitting
in plain view. Has anyone dealt with this situation? Any suggestions/feedback
would be greatly appreciated.
Kristen Nyitray
Stony Brook, NY
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:43:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: Dr. or Prez?
On Wed, 12 May 1999, Kelly wrote:
> Get a grip. The two are not related at all or do you not read!!!
>
(snipped "Pisces" post relating Kosovar war to Columbine massacre)
Er. Real life legalized murder (war) vs. pretend legalized murder
(Doom/Quake other video games & movies). When we praise the one and
condemn the other, do watching teens see us as hypocrits? Rather a good
point, I thought...
Kirsten A. Edwards "It's 1999, of course they have a list of them
kirstedw@kcls.org on the Web, everything's on the Web these days,
when I was in school, we would have had to walk
to the LIBRARY and find a bunch of DEAD TREES
glued together on a DUSTY SHELF, and it would
have been OUT OF DATE ANYWAY!" - C.K. Davis
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:39:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: FW: That baaad Laura/Alice site
Dear Michelle,
Wow. That was some post. I think it proved a point I made earlier,
though, that I don't want the powers that be deciding what I can read or view
(even if, as a librarian, the powers-that-be are me, so to speak.)
As long as concerned citizens act as a grass-roots check/balance maybe
there's hope for our form of government.
I wonder what it will take, though, to tear down this polarization between
the "keep our kids safe" and "protect our freedoms" people.
We need to
find common ground and find it fast.
Still pondering this one,
Kirsten A. Edwards "It's 1999, of course they have a list of them
kirstedw@kcls.org on the Web, everything's on the Web these days,
when I was in school, we would have had to walk
to the LIBRARY and find a bunch of DEAD TREES
glued together on a DUSTY SHELF, and it would
have been OUT OF DATE ANYWAY!" - C.K. Davis
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:52:55 -0400
From: kskellen@mail.gcpl.public.lib.ga.us (Kendra Skellen)
Subject: RE: question on reserves
Maybe you need to check into the capibilities of your computer program or
look into getting a new one.
We use Dynix. We also show the books on order in the catalog. The
reserves are placed on the computer. We can see how many reserves are on a
particular title at any time. When the book finally comes in, as it is
wanded in on the computer, the computer comes up with a screen telling what
branch and customer this book is reserved for. No book goes on the shelves
unless it has been wanded in.
Kendra Skellen
Librarian II - Programming and Outreach
Gwinnett County Public Library
1001 Lawrenceville Hwy
Lawrenceville, GA 30025-4707
770-277-6011
(fax) 770-822-5379
kskellen@mail.gcpl.public.lib.ga.us
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:22:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Erin V. Helmrich" <helmrich@tln.lib.mi.us>
Subject: WIZARD magazine results - LONG
Hello to those YA librarians who wanted to know what the results of my
query were. I got responses from 10 libraries who carry WIZARD. Most
highly recommended it and even those who did not said it was VERY popular
with teens. For those with graphic novels collections it is a must. None
of the 10 libraries who responded had ever had a challenge. Most carry it
in YA or adult - none in Youth.
I appreciated all of the reponses and thank everyone!
If you are interested below find some excerpts of the comments I recieved
- - LONG
ERIN
1)
Have you ever had any challenges or problems with WIZARD?
No, but we just began receiving it in Fall of last year.
Do you recommend WIZARD and/or have you ever gathered any reviews or
>supporting information to recommend it?
The previous librarian here selected it; I'm not sure where she got her
reviews. It is also recommended by my local comic shop. One
knowledgeable
teen I know says that Wizard is for fans of popular comics but that Comics
Journal is better for alternative comics and gives more definitive
reviews.
YA patrons seem happy with Wizard; also, its price guide in each issue is
useful for the collector. I'd recommend it.
Hope this helps a little,
Mari Hardacre
2)
I consider Wizard to be the "People Magazine" of comics. They'll talk
about upcomming stuff, do reviews, interviee people in the industry, and
sometimes have some goofy stuff. There are also price guides in the
issues. Except for the occational "Bad Girl" drawing, there's not much
wrong with it
David Serchay
Youth Services Librarian
Deerfield Beach Library
Broward County, FL
3)
I would recommend it. We have subscribed for more than
2 yrs. at the initial recommendation of a YA patron. It cir-
culates well. I don't seem to have any supporting
information
in my files.
Hope this helps a bit.
Helen I. Beavin
Young Adult Librarian
4)
Any branch that has a recognizable Young Adult population, or has a
number of graphic novels in their collection, ought to consider adding
this magazine to their subscription list. They usually have some sort
of "collector comic" included with the magazine - a recent one
concerned
the adventures of the WWF's Undertaker. No collection should be without
that. Price guides, how to draw so & so, toys & upcoming publications
are regularly featured in Wizard.
It is used here most frequently by the 15 year old male set, who also
are the most frequent readers of our graphic novels. While we let this
circulate when the new issue comes in, we do keep several graphic novels
as closed shelf reference to avoid their vanishing. Not really used (here)
as a professional tool.
The only problems we've had are torn pictures every so often (someone
who made the earlier point about "bad girl" drawings was very much on
target), & the extra bonus comic usually needs to be put in a separate
binder, entered separately into the computer, etc. Most of the
magazines don't come back once they leave, either.
Shawn Farrell
Young Adult Librarian
Belmont Regional Library, NYPL
5)
From: MISS MELISSA F WALSH <FLKE88B@prodigy.com>
Reply-To: pubyac@nysernet.org
To: pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: Help! Wizard mag...
Wizard magazine can be used by professionals for information but is
generally geared toward "fan boys".
It's definetly for a YA audience.
It definetly can have merit (articles on people from the comic book
industry, art how to articles, etc.) but some times comes off as very
hormonal (violence and big brested women wearing close to nothing)
Definetly not for young readers.
6)
Have you ever had any challenges or problems with WIZARD?
The only problem I ever had with WIZARD was keeping it on the shelf. The
kids of all ages really liked it.
Do you recommend WIZARD and/or have you ever gathered any reviews or
supporting information to recommend it?
I recommend it for YA's. They are into the graphic novels and collect a
lot
of comics. It is also the only one of its kind. I went looking. WIZARD is
also not as readily available at news stands/stores here in our area so
this
was good for kids.
7)
We subscribe to Wizard and keep it in our young adult collection which is
near our popular materials area in the Adult Department. Since we have a
collection of Graphic Novels this magazine is VERY popular and rarely are
there copies on the shelves. I would say teens and twenty-somethings are
the primary users of this magazine. We have have not had any challenges.
I would definitely recommend you have Wizard especially if you have GN's.
Shari Hetzke tel 847-506-2629
Secondary School Services Specialist fax 847-506-2650
Arlington Heights Memorial Library shetzke@nslsilus.org
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:58:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mark Gochnour <gochnm@mont.lib.md.us>
Subject: Re: Dr. Laura's "new" campaign
Dr. Laura has taken on someone else. The APA this time but it has been
going on for sometime. It took on new life when she has lately
appeared on rado and TV talking about this.
Last July, the American Psychological
Association published a study using what many people are claiming
as incorrect research techniques among other things and
"proved" that children were not significantly harmed by sexual
abuse. Supposedly, as adults these interviewees considered that their
experiences were not harmful or that they were neutral about the effects of such
activity. It is
being used or the potential is there for this study being sited to allow
for consensual sex with children by adults.
There all kinds of calls for the APA to repudiate the study and letters
have been sent to Congress and the President.
I find it very interesting that in a place where all sorts of views are
suposedly to have equal credibility and value that many in our
profession are so vitrolic over someone who is concerned about
what can happen to children while in a library without supervision. The
library can be a dangerous place
the same as any other public place and lawbreakers will use it to for
their own purposes. Whether to pick up and rape children,
expose themselves, access porn to see reactions, and rob us --just about
anything you can imagine can happen here.
We don't have to put up with objectionable behavior in a
library . Using a cell phone, popping bubble gum,
talking too loudly or bringing food into a library is "forbidden" and
may
receive some kind of immediate attention from the staff but when someone
is accessing pornography for others to view, well that is ok because that
person is exercising his/her first amendment rights. Come on. That is
patently absurd.
Mark S. Gochnour <gochnm@mont.lib.md.us>
Children's Librarian
Poolesville Library
Montgomery County (Maryland) Dept. of Public Libraries
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of my
organization.
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:35:28 -0500 (EST)
From: CHI_TONYA@DAYTON.LIB.OH.US
Subject: STUMPER: Books and websites for boys
Hi 'Yaccers! I tried posting this request a couple of days ago, and I never
did see it come through. If this is a second posting, I apologize! Now, on
to the question at hand...
I finished a bookmark Monday that featured "self-esteem-y" books for
girls in,
roughly, 4th-6th grades ("Girls' Guide to Life," "Girls Speak
Out,"
"Outrageous Women of Ancient History") and web-sites designed for
girls (Girl
Tech, Girl Site, Girl Power). As I was working on this project, I thought to
myself, "Self, maybe you should work on one of these for boys, just to keep
everything equal." Well, after my boss said "Do you think someone will
get
upset that we don't have one of these for boys?" and *HER* boss said
"Are you
going to make one of these for boys, too?" I found myself trying to create
something comparable for boys. IT AIN'T EASY!
I have come across three titles that will work for the "Book side" of
the
bookmark. They are:
Boys Will Be -- Brooks
Boys Know It All -- Roehm
A Boy's guide to Life : the Complete Instructions
I have no idea how to go about finding websites that might speak to building
self-esteem/self-confidence in boys on a 4th-6th level. I've picked the brain
of our YA Librarian, and besides raising the question of whether boys search
for/need the same type of reinforcement/encouragement that girls tend to need
during the "tween" years, he couldn't really come up with any other
suggestions.
If any of you out there can give me some book/www suggestions, I would be
grateful! (For girls, I was focusing mainly on non-fiction, but maybe I
should be going in a different direction with this, I don't know...)
Thanks, in advance, for any help you can give me-
Tonya Cross
Dayton & Montgomery County Public Library
Dayton, OH
chi_tonya@dayton.lib.oh.us
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:08:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sarah Stone <stonesar@kcls.org>
Subject: ALA roomie wanted
Hello all,
I am posting this on behalf of my co-worker Margie MacDonald. She
is looking for a roommate for ALA. She has a room reserved at the
Daluphine New Orleans Hotel ($150 for the room, she wanted me to say). And
will be there Sunday - Wednesday. If anyone is interested just reply to me
and I will forward her the emails. Thanks!
Sarah
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Sarah W. Stone
Children's Librarian
Bothell Regional Library
King County Library System (WA)
stonesar@kcls.org
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:27:03 -0500
From: caingram@inil.com (caingram)
Subject: Internet Print Cards
At our library the Internet (and Internet printer) is on the second
floor.
We did not want to deal with money at the IS desk. At the circ desk
they
have a cash register. So we wanted the money to change hands there. We
could not afford to get a debit card system. SO- I came up with a
simple
card about the size of a business card with $0.05 spaces on it. When a
person gets a print we cross out or punch out the spaces. If we raise
the
cost of printing we can still use these cards because they designate
money. Initially we had cards for either $1, $5, or $10. But we have
only sold maybe 30 of the $5 and $10 but have sold a ton of the $1
cards.
So.. the "print cards" are purchased at the circ desk.
Oh- all of the print outs are sent to a single printer that is kept
behind the desk (9 Internet computers). A staff member sorts them into
folders. Patrons pick up their library card and all of their print outs
from staff at the end of a session.
Catherine
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| *opinions are my own*
| Catherine E. Ingram, M.L.S. Joliet Public Library
| Young Adult Librarian 150 N. Ottawa St.
| ceingram@htls.lib.il.us Joliet, IL 60432
| phone: 815-740-2660 http://www.joliet.lib.il.us
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On Tue, 11 May 1999, Ginny McKee wrote:
> Several of you charge for printing. How are you collecting the money
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> before they print, on an honor system, using a debit card?
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:49:07 -0400
From: "Stow-Munroe Falls Library, Children's Room" <stowkids@oplin.lib.oh.us>
Subject: Re: question on reserves
Our automation system (Dynix) handles the reserves so that once an item is on
order the computer accepts reserves and triggers the list when the processing is
complete and the item is ready to go into circulation. That limits the number of
paper reserves that are generated. Those that are can be added to the computer
list and put at the beginning if need be and then there is no paper to
loose.Although I'm sure it is not failsafe I hear of few mix-ups
Carrie Burrier
Head, Children's Services
Stow-Munroe Falls Public Library
stowkids@oplin.lib.oh.us
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 18:24:38 PDT
From: "Elaine Moustakas" <elainem9@hotmail.com>
Subject: cd rom computer...to be or not to be?
Thank you to all of you who have responded to me about the issue of whether
or not to keep a cd rom game computer in my children's room.
Many of you mentioned the idea of headphones to keep the noise down, a few
of you mentioned strict time limits (with signups, etc...).
A few of you recommended that I permanently take out the cd rom computer and
one or two of you mentioned that that is what you did in your library.
Right now, I'm going to try a three month or so trial basis without it. It
has been about three weeks so far. I've received much more positive
feedback from parents about not having the computer in the room. If parents
do ask where it went, most of the time they are just as happy to find some
great books to read instead of playing the computer. We'll see how long
this lasts. I'm going to see how high the demand is for the computer and if
it does get put back, headphones are definitely going to be used and perhaps
I'll remove some of the less educational games.
Thanks again for your input.
Elaine
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:32:14 -0700
From: "Carrie Eldridge" <celdridge@sanjuan.lib.wa.us>
Subject: Internet controversy
Why don't "Burt and Laura" go after the pornographers? Because it is
easier to go after librarians. Are they afraid they might find themselves
at the bottom of a lake if they do so? Bloody cowards!
And is it professional to shame people into doing things as Dr. Laura does
on her radio show? Is this a respected technique in her field of
counseling? I think it is sick. One of these days she is going to shame
the wrong person and that person will go out and commit suicide.
As for you Burt - get a grip! Filters don't work and you are giving
parents false security. Why don't you mention all the positive uses of the
Internet?
Librarians can't protect children from the world. As a mother I would like
to protect my son - but in reality we can't control the world. Children
have to learn to deal with these issues and make good choices and while
doing that they make mistakes. It's the way the world is.. I'm afraid.
Quit the vicious attacks on your colleagues and be reasonable. We are all
looking for solutions to these problems.
Carrie
Carrie Eldridge
San Juan Island Library District
Friday Harbor, WA 98250
360-378-2798
360-378-2702
celdridge@sanjuan.lib.wa.us
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:23:27 -0700
From: Jill Patterson <jpatterson@ci.glendora.ca.us>
Subject: Re: question on reserves
Our on order books appear on the computer and we also allow patrons to
place reserves for these titles. Since they can place their own reserves
on the computer, there is no reserve slip generated. Our processing staff
is trained to check the computer record for reserves as the final step
before sending a book over to be shelved. Books with reserves are caught
at that point and given to the person who handles reserves.
>
>Recently our computer system has started allowing us to list books as being
>O/O, or 'on order' in our OPACs.
Jill Patterson jpatterson@ci.glendora.ca.us
Glendora Public Library 140 S. Glendora Ave. Glendora, CA 91741
Tel: 626/852-4896 FAX: 626/852-4899
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:02:17 -0500
From: "Corby Poursaba" <poursaba@yukon.lib.ok.us>
Subject: Internet Musical Chairs
Our library has 6 public access Internet computers. We have a 30-minute =
time
limit for the user. Our problem arises when all machines are full and =
the patrons have
signed-in fairly close to the same time. When the time limit is up, we =
ask Patron 1 to vacate his machine.
In turn, he wishes to be on the waiting list. That requires us to ask =
Patron 2 to vacate a machine. =20
If Patron 2 chooses to be on the waiting list, then we must ask Patron 3 =
to vacate a machine.
Should Patron 3 want on the waiting list... (are you getting the =
picture, we are
playing "fruit basket upset") ! Help!! We need a solution and can't =
seem to find a fair
way to solve our problem. Please e-mail me directly at =
skilmer@yukon.lib.ok.us
Sue Kilmer
Mabel C. Fry Public Library
Yukon, OK
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:16:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: mkfwd@ehmail.com
Subject: Dr. Laura
Please excuse the cross-posts.
Our profession is under attack by the nationally syndicated radio advice show
host, Dr. Laura Schlessinger. She is heard on hundreds of radio
stations throughout North America.
I understand that an email list has been set up for the specific purpose of
librarians discussing ways to respond to Schlessinger's attacks.
In order to subscribe, those interested should visit
http://No2Laura.listbot.com/
M. Kaminsky
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