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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:13:41 -0400 (EDT)
To: pubyac-digest@nysernet.org
Subject: pubyac V1 #703
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:28:26 -0400
From: "Earl and Kirsten Martindale" <earlmart@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Dr. Laura's "new" campaign
- ----- Original Message -----
> We don't have to put up with objectionable behavior in a
> library . Using a cell phone, popping bubble gum,
> talking too loudly or bringing food into a library is "forbidden"
and may
> receive some kind of immediate attention from the staff but when someone
> is accessing pornography for others to view, well that is ok because that
> person is exercising his/her first amendment rights. Come on. That is
> patently absurd.
>
Mark,
I take exception to your argument....READING ABOUT Using a cell phone,
READING ABOUT popping bubble gum, READING ABOUT talking too loudly or
READING ABOUT bringing food into a library is perfectly acceptable, although
the actions themselves have been restricted. The same goes for
pornography....reading about it is an adult's (and a parent's) choice. Who
is to say what entails pornography, anyway? Undressing in the library,
exposing one's self, committing sexual acts...well, that's another story.
Call the cops.
Kirsten Martindale
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:22:36 -0400
From: "Earl and Kirsten Martindale" <earlmart@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Unattended Children (of library employees!)
Unless this is a rare occurrence, it seems quite inappropriate to bring
one's child to work with them on a regular basis. I can't imagine that this
clerk works anything shorter than four hour shifts, much too long for a
seven year-old to sit still after being in school all day. Perhaps it's time
for your director to address the issue.
We once had to address the issue of staff children in the break room. An
employee would bring in her pre-teen son, let him lounge in the break room
for hours, and claim that he wasn't "bothering" anyone, which was
true,
except for the fact that he was omnipresent for personal phone calls and
conversations that one on a break would like to make in private. Nothing
short of a memo from the boss stopped the practice, but we were all a little
relieved when our "visitor" retreated to more appropriate quarters.
Kirsten Martindale
- ----- Original Message ----- a Circulation Clerk brings her 7 year old son
to the library
> during her shift.
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:02:41 EDT
From: Pisces0243@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dr. Laura
> ...ways to respond to Schlessinger's attacks.
hmm, maybe someone could post a challenge on alt.2600.hackers, offering free
tickets to Star Wars for the most creative hack of the drlaura.com website.
thom stuart
St. Cloud, MN
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:40:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Jennifer S. Stevens" <jstevens@ccsi.com>
Subject: Dr. Laura (yet more..)
On a slightly encouraging note, I mentioned Dr. Laura's campaign against
the ALA to a number of relatives in ID this past week. None recognized her
name or were familiar with her radio call-in show, despite a story about
her coming TV show in that day's newspaper. Mind you, my sample size was
very small, but I was relieved to hear that her campaign wasn't
_everyone's_ front page news...
Jen Stevens
GSLIS, University of Texas at Austin
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:12:16 -0400
From: "Minkel, Walter (Cahners -NYC)" <WMinkel@cahners.com>
Subject: RE: STUMPER: Books and websites for boys
WARNING: Rant
Ha ha. As a former boy 8-{)> working in a world of women, this has been an
issue for me for some time. I believe that the school shootings have
demonstrated that there are plenty of boys out there who need some
self-esteem building. The psychologists have pretty well demonstrated that
while girls with self-esteem problems tend to take things out on themselves
(bulimia, depression, unprotected sex, etc.), boys with similar problems
tend to take it out on others (sexual harrassment & abuse, vandalism,
weapons, etc.) as well as on themselves. This makes a lot of (particularly
female) workers with young people less sympathetic to the problems of boys,
& why you'll rarely see "Boys Can Do It" kinds of books & Web
sites ("What
do you need something like that for?" one feminist librarian told me not
too
long ago. "Boys already think they're great, and our culture just
reinforces
it." Ah, but their braggadocio is often a cover for feelings of real
inadequacy, & I think a lot of us know that.) Boys just don't take to the
"advice" stuff the way many girls do, although many of them will read
the
"how to be in a relationship" stuff intended for girls in secret. Boys
build
their self-esteem by finding something they do well and expressing
themselves that way (as we see the many boys proud of their alpha computer
skills today who could never have become alpha atheletes. Boys are also
always competing against one another (goes back to our primate heritage), &
they rarely think of themselves as a group, but rather as individuals
struggling for that alpha-male position (the exceptions are gangs & sports
teams, in which they compete as groups).
That's why I wouldn't worry so much about finding "Boys are great"
stuff.
Assemble a list focusing on things lots of boys are interested in--sports,
of course, but also construction, collecting, vehicles, and whatever else
boys in your area come in asking about.
I'm ready to get attacked. Hit me. <-Notice the male attitude. 8-{)> (BTW,
the above is my opinion only, not SLJ's) --W
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Walter Minkel
wminkel@cahners.com * (212) 463-6721
Technology Editor, _School Library Journal_
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CHI_TONYA@DAYTON.LIB.OH.US [SMTP:CHI_TONYA@DAYTON.LIB.OH.US]
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 6:35 PM
> To: PUBYAC@NYSERNET.ORG
> Subject: STUMPER: Books and websites for boys
>
<snip>
> As I was working on this project, I thought to
> myself, "Self, maybe you should work on one of these for boys, just to
> keep
> everything equal." Well, after my boss said "Do you think someone
will
> get
> upset that we don't have one of these for boys?" and *HER* boss said
"Are
> you
> going to make one of these for boys, too?" I found myself trying to
create
>
> something comparable for boys. IT AIN'T EASY!
<snip>
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:01:04 -0500
From: TChumbley@bettendorf.lib.ia.us
Subject: RE: Theme Based Kits
Marilyn, we check out the items as a unit. Only one barcode on the entire
kit. Our circ staff would die if they had to checkout out 20 pieces (or
more!). We have on contents list on each kit and ask patrons to check it
before returning them. No kits are checked in until the contents list has
been checked and damage has been assessed by a youth staff member.
So far, no problems.
Tami
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:04:40 EDT
From: "Lisa Prolman" <lprolman@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Teen Reading Preferences
At our library, the teens are reading a lot of fantasy, especially Tamora
Pierce's several series titles _Circle of Magic_, _The Immortals_, and the
Alanna books. There has also been a resurgence of historical fiction, the
_Dear America_ and _My Name is America_ in particular. We also get a lot of
call for funny YA novels.
Hope this helps!
Lisa Prolman
Assistant Children's Librarian "All things considered,
Greenfield Public Library insanity may be the only
402 Main Street reasonable alternative."
Greenfield, MA 01301
(413)772-1590
lprolman@hotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:14:04 -0500
From: wteale@uic.edu (William Teale)
Subject: Re: pubyac V1 #700
When providing library services to youth, each age group--toddlers,
preschoolers, primary grade children, upper elementary grade children,
middle schoolers, and high schoolers--presents its own rewards and
challenges. I wonder which previously mentioned age level librarians on
this list find to be the most challenging and why. I ask this because of
some work I am doing through the University of Illinois at Chicago that is
attempting to interface between educators and public librarians. I would
appreciate hearing others' thoughts about this, either through the listserv
or privately. Thanks for your ideas.
Bill Teale
William H. Teale
College of Education (M/C 147)
University of Illinois at Chicago
1040 West Harrison Street
Chicago, IL 60607-7133
(312) 996 4669 (voice)
(312) 413 8083 (FAX)
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:35:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Corey Bennett <bennetc@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>
Subject: Leading our children down the porn-laden path
For those of you who are sick of the Dr. Laura thread, I apologize for
prolonging it a little bit more. I was hesitant to respond, because I feel
like it's starting to get a little out of hand. We're on the verge of
calling each other names, and we need to regain our sense of professional
debate, here.
I went to Dr. Laura's website as soon as this thread began, and then to
the link she provided to Go Ask Alice. I'll admit, some of the postings
were startling. Then I realized that this is not a site for children. It's
a site for people, perhaps teenagers, who are sexually active. It is an
information site. I have seen porn sites on the net, and there's a
difference. Personally, I have faith that my colleagues are not
"steering" children to a site like this because it's not designed for
children.
As a parent, you teach your children basic things. You teach them not
to put their hand on a hot stove burner. You teach them not to jump into a
car with a stranger. But once they get to be a certain age, you have to
trust that they aren't going to do these things. I know the working parent
cannot physically be here in the library with their child after school to
insure that their child isn't "burning his fingers." Our library also
has
a code of conduct policy which states that displaying obscene material on
the internet is inappropriate for the public library, and so we do not
PERMIT children or adults to access porn at the library. But ultimately it
is the parent's job to decide what the internet ground rules are for their
kids. That's called "raising kids."
Okay, thank you for letting me vent.
Corey Bennett
THPL-New Tampa Regional
bennetc@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us
"...opinions expressed are mine, and not necessarily
those of my employer, etc."
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:52:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Lola Teubert <lolat@evans.evcpl.lib.in.us>
Subject: Re:name of YAAC Comm
To whom it may concern re naming an advisory TEEN Board: I would let them
choose their name then they have imput into and ownership in their
organization. My original students named themselves 7 years ago and the name
still stands!! Publicity for my YA programs state: "SPONSORED BY THE YOUNG
ADULT/LITERACY SERVICES and ADVISORY COUNCIL FOR TODAY"S TEENS". We
call it
ACTT.
Hope this helps you will have a ball and learn a great deal from them-your
board
Happy summer to everyone and I will miss seeing you all at ANNUAL!
Lola
Lola Teubert
Evansville-Vanderburgh County Public Library
22 SE. Fifth St.,
Evansville,IN.47708
812-428-8229
fax 812-428-8215
lolat@evans.evcpl.lib.in.us
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:06:33 -0500
From: Jennifer Bullwinkel <bullwinkelj@clpgh.org>
Subject: Re: The Mummy
I couldn't help but feel the same way. My fiancee tried to hold my arm down
and the people behind us were laughing, but I think every librarian should be
able to smooch Brendan Frasier, win a camel race and save the world from
imminent (if somewhat murkily defined) destruction.
As they say, "There is only one god,
He is a Sun god,
Ra, Ra, Ra!"
TTFN
J. Bullwinkel
CLP-Squirrel Hill
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:02:59 EDT
From: LndonTown@aol.com
Subject: Re: Internet Musical Chairs
Hi Sue! Well, our policy is 30 minutes per day...seems like that would solve
the problem. If we are fairly slow and no one is waiting, we sometimes let
time limits slide. We don't have sign up though, so that may cause a bit of
a problem. Seems to me 30 minutes a day would be ample, considering there are
places like Kinko's Copier's that charge per minute for the use of computers.
Susie Lord
LndonTown@aol.com
Seminole County Public Library
**My opinions are my own**
In a message dated 5/13/99 9:21:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
poursaba@yukon.lib.ok.us writes:
<< Our library has 6 public access Internet computers. We have a 30-minute
=
time
limit for the user. Our problem arises when all machines are full and =
the patrons have
signed-in fairly close to the same time.
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:38:47 -0700
From: Mary Ann Gilpatrick <magilpat@walnet.walla-walla.wa.us>
Subject: Re: FW: That baaad Laura/Alice site
Yes, Michelle; let me second Kirsten here. I went to check out the site due to
all the flap; as is usual with 999% of what you find on the 'net, you can't
possibly stumble into it by accident. The "sexual health" site is lots
and lots
of Q&A, with a miscellaneous section at the very end; I read the
"bestiality"
entry and found a very reasoned, non-explicit definition of the term and
everything else Michelle said. ie, that it is not a recommended or accepted
practice. How could anybody possibly want any other explanation? And if you
don't
think 12 year olds are onto sheep jokes, guess again. I can only think that
someone went through every ALA youth link with a fine tooth comb lookingfor
something to make an issue of.
Kirsten Edwards wrote:
> Dear Michelle,
>
> Wow. That was some post. I think it proved a point I made earlier,
> though, that I don't want the powers that be deciding what I can read or
view
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:54:30 -0600 (CST)
From: Claire Isaac <cisaac@rpl.regina.sk.ca>
Subject: Stumper Answered
Thanks very much to everyone who took the time to answer the stumper
about "The Face on the Milk Carton"
It was a made-for-TV movie which was recently shown again. It is a
combination of "Face on the Milk Carton" and "Whatever Happened
to Janie,"
starring Kellie Martin.
It is not available on video.
I will pass all this information on to the patron. Pubyac is a great
resource.
Claire Isaac
Regina Public Library
Regina, Saskatchewan
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:52:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marlyn Roberts <chaisegirl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Sno-Isle Job Postings
Neither this message, nor or website, indicates where
Sno-Isle system is located.
Marlyn
===
Marlyn K. Roberts
Children's Librarian
Codman Square Branch
Boston Public Library
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:21:12 -0500
From: Kim Heikkinen <kim.heikkinen@mcfls.org>
Subject: Dr. Laura and Toys R Us
Here is the url for Toys R Us's customer response form. I urge you to go
there and fill out the form telling them how disappointed you are that Dr.
Laura's nonsense caused them to stop funding for the children's reading rooms.
>http://www.toysrus.com/asset/ecomm/htdocs/indexCustService.htm
Kim
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Kim Heikkinen kim.heikkinen@mcfls.org
Youth Services Librarian
Franklin Public Library
Franklin, WI 53132 (414) 425-8214
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:07:01 -0700
From: ROXANNE BURG <RBURG@mx.tol.lib.ca.us>
Subject: Toys R Us Withdraws Fundingt
Thanks for update, and what a pity that because of some misleading
information out there right now, children will be the losers. Just some
thoughts regarding the latest thread...
First, Toys R Us has a webiste at www.toysrus.com. There is a
customer service page if you wish to respond to their (in my opinion)
unwise and unfortunate decision.
Secondly, I personally am growing weary of signing on to PUBYAC
and having to sift through personal attacks on my profession to get to
discussions and questions that are worth my time. Can we all remember,
please, that this a moderated discussion list for professionals? Leave the
fighting to the Jerry Springer show.
Also, remember that you subscribed to a moderated list. You know the
rules. The moderator can and should monitor the postings. The fact that
we are free to express views as differing as we do should say
something positive here; the moderators are not censorsing anything.
They are doing their job.
Lastly, this latest situation is perhaps an opportunity to educate the public
regarding the very positive aspects of what we do. ALA was founded in
1876. If we were all just moral degenerates, we would have had ample
time to corrupt our society by now. Futhermore, ALSC has done more to
promote literacy, family togetherness, and related issues over the years
than many organizations--and even certain celebs, in my view.
Our colleagues in ALSC have done a wonderful job in establishing their
parents' page and the 700+ Great Sites. Remember, too, that it was
children's librarians who pushed for children's rooms in public libraries,
and have been awarding the Newbery and Caldecott for excellence for
over 70 years now. Finally, I don't know of a single librarian who works
with youth who doesn't have a great love for children and a concern for
their well-being.
I am willing to listen to points of view that differ from mine. That is a tenet
of public library service. But, please, let it be a reasoned and considered
argument, not a knee-jerk reaction or personal attack or my profession or
colleagues.
Roxanne Burg
*Opinions expressed are mine and mine alone.*
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:37:29
From: Nancy Randle <nrandle@tbpl.thunder-bay.on.ca>
Subject: Sleep over at the Library
Sorry this has taken so long to get back to everyone...I am still gathering
information. We are planning a sleepover this summer and are still waiting
for permission from our Administration. What they are now asking is for
some samples of permission / registration forms that have been used at
other libraries. As well as any other forms that were used...I will thank
you in advance and a thank-you to all who have sent me information so far.
You can either e-mail or send by snail mail. Thank you again
Nancy Randle
nrandle@tbpl.thunder-bay.on.ca
Thunder Bay Public Library
285 Red River Road
Thunder Bay, Ontario
P7B 1A9
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