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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:09:48 -0400 (EDT)
To: pubyac-digest@nysernet.org
Subject: pubyac V1 #706
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:28:33 EDT
From: Pisces0243@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dr. Laura approved
> My husband walks during his lunch and listens to the "Dr."...She
is
> supposedly supplying signs to public libraries stating that they are
"Dr.
> Laura Approved". I cannot imagine a sane director allowing such a
thing,
>>
I doubt she'll be doing it, once her liability insurance carrier hears about
it and adjusts her premium.
thom stuart
St. Cloud, MN
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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:21:24 -0400
From: "Kathleen Saxton" <ksaxton@wepl.lib.oh.us>
Subject: Re: Staff wages survey
Hi Kate,
Being an entry-level librarian myself, and my boyfriend having just
taken an entry-level cop position, I can assure in that in our case, he
makes quite a bit more than I. He, of course, finds this very amusing,
as he has only a high school diploma and I have my Masters degree! ;0)
We do not work for the same city, but I know that their entry-level
librarians do not make quite as much either, although still more than I
do at my library!
Kathy
Kate McLean wrote:
>
> I've been told that a parapro makes the same as a county painter and that
> an entry level librarian makes the same as an entry level cop. But its a
> rumor.
>
> Kate
>
> At 01:02 PM 5/3/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >Has anyone out there done a salary/wage survey comparing library staff
> >to other city departments? We are especially interested in any equity
> >pay comparisons? Thanks.
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:48:25 -0400
From: Rebecca Purdy <rpurdy@crrl.org>
Subject: Renting the Princess Bride
Our Teen Council really wants to show the Princess Bride as our end of
Summer Reading Program. Only problem is, it's not listed in the Swank
catalog. Does anyone out there know of another company that rents
movies for public performance?
Thanks,
Rebecca Purdy
Young Adult Librarian
Central Rappahannock Regional Library
Fredericksburg, VA 22401
rpurdy@crrl.org
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:26:56 EDT
From: Rjohc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dr. Laura and Toys R Us
At the web site given there is a link entitled Contact Toys R Us. Click on
that, use the drop down box for corporate comments, and type away.
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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:07:42 -0500
From: Karen Sutherland <ksutherland@bplib.org>
Subject: Re: Dr. Laura's "new" campaign
Hi!
As the mother of three, I know how difficult it is to know everything your child
does all the time, even though you try your best. I tried very hard to instill
the
values and standards in my children which I believed were right. I also know
that
my standards
were different than others, but I tried to teach my children tolerance for the
views
of
those others.
You can't, however, know what your children are doing all the time, and you can
understand the frustration that parents feel when we librarians - in an effort
to
promote the right to choose and free speech -- allow children to read and see
things
which they are not old enough to process or make adequate sense out of. They ARE
children!! They don't have adult minds or experiences, and parents are trusting
us
to provide materials that are appropriate for young minds.
I have appreciated some of your comments about this business. I didn't hear Dr.
Laura
nor do I know what she said.....but it continues to amaze me that we are
surprised
by
her attack. I practiced 15 years as a nurse, and one of the credos of that
profession
was to "do no harm." Surely in any form of public service that should
be a goal.
Charles Schacht wrote:
> Kirsten - Playing devil's advocate - why should undressing in the library
be
> viewed differently than publicly viewing pictures of other undressed
people?
> Seems to me as though the same standards ought to apply to what can be
publicly
> viewed. Now reading about undressed people is another thing - that's not
going
> to run the risk of offending other folks. I don't think it's unreasonable
to ask
> people to not WATCH at the library what they couldn't watch at the beach.
Chuck
>
> Chuck Schacht
> Romeo District Library
> Romeo, MI.
>
> Whose ruminations reflect his own peculiar thoughts and do not necessarily
> reflect company policy
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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:57:58 EDT
From: QCKATIE@aol.com
Subject: library-school relations
As a new reference trainee at a public library and a first-time PUBYAC
subscriber, I would appreciate any help you cuold give me with the following
problem: Over the past few weeks, several young adults have commented to me
that their teachers have criticized the public library. The students told me
that their teachers have told classes that going to the library was a waste
of time and that library resources were out of date and not helpful for
assignments. When I brought this problem up to my co-workers, they said that
the library sends out a letter to all high school teachers asking them for a
list of upcoming assignments and suggestions for new materials. They also
informed me that the response rate for these letters is quite low. They
seemed to think that writing to teachers every September was enough and that
this tension between the school and the public library was inevitable. I
think that more can be done to improve relations between the library and the
school. However, I'm not sure where to start. I would be grateful for any
advice, suggestions, or personal experiences you might care to share with me
regarding this topic.
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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:59:15 -0500
From: "Sean P. S. George" <sgeorge@stcharles.lib.la.us>
Subject: Re: The Mummy
On 5-17-99 you wrote:
>I couldn't help but feel the same way. My fiancee tried to hold my arm down
>and the people behind us were laughing, but I think every librarian should
be
>able to smooch Brendan Frasier, win a camel race and save the world from
>imminent (if somewhat murkily defined) destruction.
Well, I'm all for the camel race and saving the world, but I'd much rather
smooch Rachel Weisz than Brendan Fraser.
<><><><><><><><><><><><>
Sean George
Youth Services Coordinator
St. Charles Parish Library
sgeorge@stcharles.lib.la.us
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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:32:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Valorie A. Minch" <vminch@tln.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Dr. Laura
Chuck:
I see what you're saying but it's all part of responsible parenting. When
my kids are surfing the net I am with them and I let them know what sites
they are not allowed to get into. When I am at work they are supervised by
their grandmother. A child is not going to get into a porn site with Mom
or Grandma standing over them. That's the whole point, children should be
supervised in the library.
Valorie A. Minch
Valorie A. Minch
Children's Librarian
Livonia Civic Center Library
32777 Five Mile Road
Livonia, MI 48154
vminch@tln.lib.mi.us
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:14:13 -0400
From: "Earl and Kirsten Martindale" <earlmart@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Dr. Laura's "new" campaign
Dearest Devil's Advocate,
OK, OK...my retort went a little too far, but honestly, I don't think we can
play judge and jury on this one. It's my position that VISUAL IMAGES (sorry
for the screaming!) of an unacceptable nature can and should be restricted
in public areas. I'm just as sure, though, that people should be able to
read what they want to read, which means accessing sites that they want to
access, unless, of course, doing so infringes on someone else's right to NOT
be exposed to pornography. My example was aimed more at those libraries (and
Dr. Laura's followers) who think it's their responsibility to filter sites
that contain pornography. Many of those sites, due to their graphic nature,
are self-censoring when libraries restrict the use of visual images.
Kirsten Martindale
Buford, GA
- ----- Original Message -----
> Kirsten - Playing devil's advocate - why should undressing in the library
be
> viewed differently than publicly viewing pictures of other undressed
people?
> Chuck Schacht
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:00:41 -0400
From: Sue Erdman <erdman@epix.net>
Subject: Re: Unattended Children (of library employees!)
Perhaps library management needs to consider an addition or revision to your
personnel manual. I am working on a new manual for my library and am proposing
the
following under the "Visitors in the Workplace" section:
Because of safety and security reasons, family and friends of employees are
discouraged from visiting. Children of staff members may not come to work with
their parent. They may use the library as would any other patrons, but should
not
disturb their parent's work, nor should their presence become habitual. With
prior
approval of the Library Director, bringing a child to work may be approved for
temporary emergencies.
I'm not sure yet if I want to keep this wording or to revise it further to make
it
less general and vague.
A neighboring library has the following policy wording:
To provide for the safety and security of employees as well as their offspring,
children are not permitted in the workplace except under extremely unusual
circumstances. If you are faced with an emergency day-care or child care
situation
that requires you to be with the child, discuss it with your supervisor. Your
supervisor may have to find a substitute to fill in for you so that you can stay
home with your child.
- --
Sue Erdman, Director
Mechanicsburg Area Public Library
16 North Walnut Street
Mechanicsburg, PA 17055
Phone 717-766-0171
Fax 717-766-0152
erdman@epix.net
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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:58:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: Unattended Children (of library employees!)
On Mon, 17 May 1999, Holland wrote:
> I think this is very common in the workplace, not just libraries. Young
> moms expect this accommodation. Just last week, when I was paying a toll
> at the toll booth, I was surprised to see that the attendant had a small
> child in the booth with her.
One day, God willing, this won't even seem wierd - and it won't be just
moms, but dads - and children will be integrated into the life of society
as much as possible. They *are* a fact of life, after all...
Kirsten A. Edwards "It's 1999, of course they have a list of them
kirstedw@kcls.org on the Web, everything's on the Web these days,
when I was in school, we would have had to walk
to the LIBRARY and find a bunch of DEAD TREES
glued together on a DUSTY SHELF, and it would
have been OUT OF DATE ANYWAY!" - C.K. Davis
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:14:34 -0500
From: "Don Wood" <dwood@ala.org>
Subject: John Berry's Editorial on Dr. Laura and Go Ask Alice Site
FYI
John Berry's Editorial on Dr. Laura and Go Ask Alice Site:
http://www.bookwire.com/ljdigital/editorial.article$28273
________________________
Don Wood
American Library Association
Office for Intellectual Freedom
50 East Huron Street
Chicago, IL 60611
800-545-2433, ext. 4225
Fax: 312-280-4227
dwood@ala.org
http://www.ala.org/oif.html
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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:02:54 -0700
From: "Carrie Eldridge" <celdridge@sanjuan.lib.wa.us>
Subject: Toys r us
I expressed my opinion at the Toys r us site and have received no response.
Anybody hear from them yet?
Carrie
Carrie Eldridge
San Juan Island Library District
Friday Harbor, WA 98250
360-378-2798
360-378-2702
celdridge@sanjuan.lib.wa.us
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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:23:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Julie Winkelstein <jwialb@alam1.lib.co.alameda.ca.us>
Subject: Armed police officers at high schools
Hi, everyone,
I have another question for everyone although I'm aware that it's really about
your local high school and not about your library, but if anyone has ANY
information, I'd really appreciate it.
Our local high school has applied for a grant to get money to pay for a
resources officer. In Albany this means an armed police officer. What I'm
trying to find out is if other high schoools have come up with alternatives to
placing an armed person on the campus. A survey has shown that in our town,
most students, many parents and some teachers are opposed because of the
gun,not the officer. I guess what Im hoping is that some of you are either
involved enough with your local high school that you know whether this has
been up for discussion, or maybe you're even a parent of high school students
(as I am). Thanks for any info you might have. Julie Winkelstein
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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:01:23 -0500
From: "ROBIN DAVIS" <davisr@ci.farmers-branch.tx.us>
Subject: Re: Dr. Laura
Well, I guess it is time for me to say something about Laura Schlessinger.
Although she is a popular radio host, there has been some question question, at
least here in Dallas.
If I recall correctly, last year in Dallas she had a speaking engagement to a
Jewish women's group and proceeded to offend everyone from the cab driver to the
entire women's group. The circustances required her to come on the air and
formally apologize to everyone.
My own personal opinion is that if someone is so insensitive that they insult
everyone, including members of their own faith, they MIGHT not need to be taken
too seriously in other areas. I feel that Laura Schlessinger is often
misinformed and always aims at the "knee jerk reaction." In this case,
we are playing into her game by keeping the focus on her. Please note that these
are my own opinions only.
Thank you,
Robin Davis, Youth Services Supervisor, Farmers Branch Manske Library
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