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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>

To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>

Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:01:03 CST

Subject: PUBYAC digest 16

PUBYAC Digest 16

Topics covered in this issue include:

1) chat room use

by "children johnson city public library" <jcplkids@hotmail.com>

2) Re: why library?

by Jodi Cohen <cohenj2@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>

3) MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs

by PUBYAC <pyowner@pallasinc.com>

4) Golden House "Stumper"

by Babette Wofter <wofterba@oplin.lib.oh.us>

5) stumper:Trapped

by Beverly Kirkendall <bkirkend@ci.hurst.tx.us>

6) BIB: books for group

by "Jeanenne Reid Robinson" <jrrchild@hotmail.com>

7) Hi - low books

by "Marty Staton" <mstaton@ci.poquoson.va.us>

8) Stumper: Too young to know

by Rhonda Jessup <rjessup@whitbylibrary.on.ca>

9) Snow globe books

by rebecca stutzman <rastutzman@yahoo.com>

10) Re: Stumper - Paula Fox

by ahendon@dorsai.org

11) Christmas Puppet Scripts for Younger Children

by "Heather" <heather@elgin.net>

12) Christmas Funnies

by Wendy Pavelko <WPavelko@spl.lib.ar.us>

13) thanks

by Nancy Bonne <bonne@noblenet.org>

14) Teaching Genre

by Elaine Williams <williael@oplin.lib.oh.us>

15) Re: chat room use

by ILefkowitz@aol.com

16) Re: chat room use

by "Tamara Butler" <tamara_r_butler@hotmail.com>

17) RE: web classes for kids

by "Kiefer, Curtis" <Curtis.Kiefer@ci.corvallis.or.us>

18) Re: chat room use

by "Catherine E. Ingram" <ceingram@starbase1.htls.lib.il.us>

19) [Fwd: chat room use]

by Bonnie Wright <bwright@aldus.northnet.org>

20) Re:MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs /response

by hedy_harrison@ci.cerritos.ca.us

21) Library Clip Art

by "Joan Enriquez" <joane@ocln.org>

22) Juvenile cataloging

by Kelly Jennings <kjennin@tulsalibrary.org>

23) RE: chat room use

by BROWN@TLC.LIB.OH.US

24) Re: chat room use

by Beverly Kirkendall <bkirkend@ci.hurst.tx.us>

25) RE: Stumpers and Bibs

by Vasilik <Vasilik@exchg1.palsplus.org>

26) Re: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs

by Jeri Kladder <jkladder@gcfn.org>

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From: "children johnson city public library" <jcplkids@hotmail.com>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: chat room use

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 10:44:51 CST

I would like some input as to how other libraries handle patrons using chat

rooms on the Internet. First of all, do you allow chat rooms to be used? If

so, do you allow any age to use them? Do you moniter the chat room use? I

appreciate any information about chat room use.

Betty Cobb

Johnson City Public Library

bcobb@jcpl.net

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From: Jodi Cohen <cohenj2@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: Re: why library?

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 10:59:42 CST

 

I am so glad to hear more discussion of libraries and literacy,

particularly among youth services librarians. As a literacy coordinator

who also works with kids, I think it's important for ALL librarians to

understand that reading competence begins in the cradle. Infants who

babble and finally say "Mama" are taking their first step not only to

spoken words but to written ones. Language development is a precursor to

preliteracy skills. All librarians need to know WHY we read poems, do

tongue twisters, point to words, talk about color and left and right and

all those things we teach kids (often unconsciously) in storytimes. Youth

services librarians need to support literacy development in

very simple ways. Hopefully, between us, parents and the schools,

adult literacy programs will sometime be not needed. (I know, in your

dreams.....)

Jodi Cohen

Principal Librarian

Tampa-Hillsborough County Public Library System

 

 

 

 

 

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:20:09 -0700 (MST)

From: PUBYAC <pyowner@pallasinc.com>

To: PUBYAC <pubyac@prairienet.org>

Subject: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs

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Dear PUBYACkers,

As your moderator, I have noticed a marked increase of Stumper and

Bibliography requests on PUBYAC in the last year or so. There are days

when there are more Stumper requests than there are discussion items.

I believe this is a cause for some concern, since the mission of PUBYAC is

to enhance communication regarding issues affecting our daily work. While

Readers' Advisory questions are always a part of our daily work, I must

also say that I have noticed many Stumpers which should be able to be

answered with a minimum of digging into standard Children's reference

sources. I've also noticed an increasing number of requests for

bibliographies or booklists about which entire books already exist.

PUBYAC should not to be used as the first line of attack against a Stumper

or a booklist request. In fact, your moderator will not post Stumper or

Bibliographic questions from the "general public" because that is not at

all the intent of this professional discussion list. The general public

should start with their librarian. The librarian, after doing their

research and homework, uses PUBYAC's collective brain when they have no

avenues left.

We have had this Stumper/Bib discussion before, when people were feeling

overburdened by Stumpers. As your moderator, I've always tried to give

the benefit of the doubt to posters, since all of our libraries are not

funded or stocked to the same extent. I've only occasionally returned

posts to people, when they've ignored ALL Netiquette requirements, leaving

out not only their return address, but also a correct subject line, and

most egregious of all (in my opinion) the sources they've already checked.

Unfortunately, I've noticed that "sources checked" is the most seldom

included piece of Stumper Netiquette. Why is that? Is it so much work to

type in the titles you've done your homework with, to save your fellow

librarians the duplication of checking that same title? If a Stumper is

worth posting, isn't it worth the quality of informing us what you've

already searched? If we made it an absolute requirement to add Sources

Checked, would this cut down on the number of Stumper or Booklist

requests?

My intent in this message is to start some discussion on this topic, and

to, of course, maintain a high quality dicussion list that will be serve

the needs of its subscribers. You do a lot of your own self-policing.

But the number of Stumpers and Booklist requests posted with lack of

documentation has compelled me to bring this up.

Yours faithfully,

Shannon VanHemert

PUBYAC Moderator

pyowner@pallasinc.com

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From: Babette Wofter <wofterba@oplin.lib.oh.us>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: Golden House "Stumper"

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:50:20 CST

I have a patron looking for a children's book in which a little boy sees

a house of gold across the hills. He begs his father to take him

there. He finally does and they discover that the house is not gold,

but is just the sun shining on the house. Patron says the book is not

too wordy, but doesn't recall if it was a picture book or not. Any

ideas?

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,

Babette Wofter, Youth Services Coordinator

wofterba@oplin.lib.oh.us

Perry County District Library

New Lexington, Ohio

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From: Beverly Kirkendall <bkirkend@ci.hurst.tx.us>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: stumper:Trapped

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:06:54 CST

Does this ring a bell with anyone?

A book about a man whose car lost control, and he was stuck in a ravine

with a broken leg for several days, maybe as long as a week. "Trap" or

"Trapped" was included in the title (maybe all of the title).

It was a new book when the woman remembers she reading it at about age

10. I thought she said that she was 23, so it would be from the mid to

late 80's. She seemed a bit older, however, and has a 10 year old boy

(who she thinks would like the book), so it might be from a little

earlier. I looked in Best Books and Children's Catalog as well as our

collection and my brain (we all know what that's worth!) and nothing

came close.

TIA for the help!

Beverly Kirkendall

Hurst Public Library

bkirkend@city.hurst.tx.us

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From: "Jeanenne Reid Robinson" <jrrchild@hotmail.com>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: BIB: books for group

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:17:38 CST

 

 

Thanks to everyone for their responses to my request for suggested titles

for a 4th-6th grade discussion group. Here is the list of suggested titles

by Pubyacers:

Holes by Louis Sachar

Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling

Witch Week by Diana Jones

Secret of Platform 13 by Eva Ibbotson

The Wish Giver by Bill Brittain

Frindle by Andrew Clements

Charlotte's Web by E.B. White

Baseball Fever by Johanna Hurwitz

Starting School with an Enemy by ?

Mr. Popper's Penguins by Richard Atwater

My Teacher is an Alien by Bruce Coville

Summer Reading is Killing Me! by Jon Scieska

The Pushcart War by Jean Merrill

Dew Drop Dead by James Howe

The Westing Game by Ellen Raskin

Walk Two Moons by Sharon Creech

I Left My Sneakers in Dimension X by Bruce Coville

The Philadelphia Adventure by Lloyd Alexander

Dear Mr. Henshaw by Beverly Cleary

Island of the Blue Dolphins by Scott O'Dell

The White Mountains by John Christopher

Pinballs by Betsy Byars

Ella Enchanted by Gail Levine

Sarah, Plain and Tall by Patricia MacLachlan

Tuck Everlasting by Natalie Babbit

Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Patterson

The Fighting Ground by Avi

A Time for Handrew by Hahn

Number the Stars by Lois Lowery

Out of the Dust by Karen Hesse

Harris and Me by Gary Paulsen

The Egypt Game by Zilpha Keatley Snyder

Belle Pratar's Boy by Ruth White

Wringer by Jerry Spinelli

On My Honor by Marion Bauer

Afternoon of the Elves by Janet Lisle

House with a Clock in it's Walls by John Bellairs

Suggestions from some Pubyacers about groups and choosing books:

-alternate "heavy" titles with something a little lighter

-booktalk other titles in genre

-talk about author

-try not to use books over 150; around 100 pages works best because kids

have so many demands on their time

 

Thanks again for your help,

Jeanenne Robinson

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From: "Marty Staton" <mstaton@ci.poquoson.va.us>

To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>

Subject: Hi - low books

Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:32:18 CST

Hello,

We are hoping to make available and identify books that are of high =

interest but low vocabulary for those "at risk readers" in our =

population. I would appreciate any suggestions of books that you =

recommend and/or sources/publishers who carry a good selection of =

identifiable books that these kids can and would enjoy reading. Thanks =

for your time and effort. This is a wonderful source of information!!

Respond to me and I'll post a bib.

Marty Staton: mstaton@ci.poquoson.va.us=20

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From: Rhonda Jessup <rjessup@whitbylibrary.on.ca>

To: PUBYAC <PUBYAC@prairienet.org>

Subject: Stumper: Too young to know

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:45:54 CST

I have a patron looking for a book she saw in a bookstore in Southern

Ontario called "Too young to know" and it is about a Japanese girl who

relocated to Canada during the war or she was a victim of a

government-forced relocation within Canada. The patron is not sure of

the details or if the title is correct. I cannot find any information.

Any clues out there?

Please reply to me personally at rjessup@whitbylibrary.on.ca

Thanks.

Rhonda Jessup,

Coordinator of Children's & Adult Services

Whitby Public Library

Whitby, Ontario, Canada

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From: rebecca stutzman <rastutzman@yahoo.com>

To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org

Subject: Snow globe books

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:56:47 CST

To all the fans of stumpers out there-

Has anyone ever seen a book with a snow globe

contained in the story?

A teacher is doing a snow globe craft with her public

school class and wondered

if there was something she could also read to the

students. Checked usual

sources.

TIA,

Becky

rastutzman@yahoo.com

 

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From: ahendon@dorsai.org

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: Re: Stumper - Paula Fox

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:08:23 CST

I need help! Is there a sequel to One-Eyed Cat by Paula Fox? A

boy who enjoyed One-Eyed Cat now wants to read the sequel, he

is sure he's seen it. I have looked in our small Juvenile reference

collection without results.

Thanks,

Alison

Brooklyn Public Library

Alison Hendon

ahendon@amanda.dorsai.org

"Though my soul may set in darkness,

It will rise in perfect light,

I have loved the stars too fondly

To be fearful of the night...."

- Sarah Williams, "The Old Astronomer to His Pupil"

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From: "Heather" <heather@elgin.net>

To: <PUBYAC@prairienet.org>

Subject: Christmas Puppet Scripts for Younger Children

Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:24:14 CST

Many thanks to all who responded to my plea for Christmas puppet scripts =

for younger children. Your suggestions were very much appreciated. I =

will try to pass along the script suggestions that I received. If I can =

fax one or more to anyone, please let me know.

* version of "Brown Bear, Brown Bear" that can be done with stick =

puppets (patterns accompanied fax). Many thanks Martha! =20

* script (title covered up. Sorry) with Santa, Snowman, Rabbit, =

Cat, Dog and Bear and "The Best Christmas of All" with cat, dog, duck, =

cow, turtle and rabbit. Thanks Mary!

* Amy sent "Santa Cures a Cold" and "Santa's Reindeer" .

* "The Forgetful Santa" from Jodi

* Carol and Marcia suggested "Christmas Story for Jiggs" based on =

"The Night Before Christmas" out of Dee Anderson's "Amazingly Easy =

Puppet Plays" Carol says that she did the play on her lap with two =

puppets and with a photocopy of the script inside an open Christmas book =

from which one puppet "read" the poem.

* Paula, Judy and Amy wrote that there are two Christmas plays in =

Denise Anton Wright's "One-Person Puppet Plays" (Teacher Ideas Press, =

c1990)

* "Claude and Pepper" by Dick Gackenbach. Thank you Barb.

* Pat Thomson's "A Band of Joining In Stories" has a play about =

someone cooking that can be adapted to Mrs. Claus making candy canes. =

Children participate by stirring, rocking etc. (from Carol)

* Blair suggested the Christmas story in Lobel's "Frog and Toad All =

Year" One person reads the quoted lines in the story and the other =

moves the two puppets from behind the screen. Blair recruits a parent =

or someone else from the audience to be the narrator and sit in a chair =

outside the puppet stage and read the lines that are not in the =

conversation.

* Catherine suggested "Something for Christmas" by Palmer Brown. As =

she points out, it is a simple, very short story about a little mouse =

figuring out what to give his mother for Christmas. It has lots of =

slapstick as the baby mouse throws things in the air, searching his =

possessions for materials to make the perfect gift.

With appreciation,

Heather Robinson,

St. Thomas Public Library,

St. Thomas, Ontario CANADA

heather@elgin.net

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From: Wendy Pavelko <WPavelko@spl.lib.ar.us>

To: "'PUBYACER's'" <PUBYAC@prairienet.org>

Subject: Christmas Funnies

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:38:41 CST

I need guidance and suggestions!!

We need some funny Christmas stories, songs or flannelboards for our

Family Storytime - ASAP

Thank you!!!!

Wendy Pavelko

Wpavelko@spl.lib.ar.us

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From: Nancy Bonne <bonne@noblenet.org>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: thanks

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:55:44 CST

thanks to all of you who identified my stumper as "I am the mummy

heb-nefert" by Eve Bunting. And further thanks to all who pointed out the

new "Dear America" series of Royal Biographies...I want to look into

these.nancy Bonne, bonne@noblenet.org

Nancy Bonne

Children's Librarian

Beverly Public Library

bonne@noblenet.org

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From: Elaine Williams <williael@oplin.lib.oh.us>

To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org

Subject: Teaching Genre

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:17:33 CST

Hi, Yakkers!

I am looking for a fun way to teach third graders about genres and

how to tell fiction from non-fiction. I have looked at the book bingo

options I've seen on the list, but I am having trouble adapting the idea

and incorporating the physical books. I do not need ideas for teaching

the Dewey Decimal system. Thanks in advance for your help.

Elaine Williams

williael@oplin.lib.oh.us

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From: ILefkowitz@aol.com

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: Re: chat room use

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:45:30 CST

We do not allow anyone using our internet computers to participate in chat

rooms. We also do not allow them to use or check email of any kind. If they

are using the computers (which are very close to the reference desk) and we

see them in either a chat room or an email program, we simply remind them

that there is no chatting or emailing and ask them to finish up that item and

close it out. They can continue using the internet just not chatting or

emailing.

Ilene Lefkowitz

Youth Services Librarian

Mount Olive Public Library

ILefkowitz@aol.com

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From: "Tamara Butler" <tamara_r_butler@hotmail.com>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: Re: chat room use

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:58:05 CST

Betty,

When I worked as director of a public library, we had to ban chat rooms

because groups of teenagers were taking over the computer area on chat rooms

for hours. This discouraged adults and others from having computer access.

We set time limits of an hour, but one teen would sign up for one hour,

another for the next, and on and on. We finally had to ban chat rooms

altogether. We allowed e-mail, games and anything else besides chat rooms

and our problems declined significantly.

Tamara Butler

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From: "Kiefer, Curtis" <Curtis.Kiefer@ci.corvallis.or.us>

To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>

Subject: RE: web classes for kids

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:03:17 CST

Hi Steven,

We have just been doing Family Internet classes at the Library. We haven't

done many of those. There really has not been great demand. We also do an

introduction to the Internet for our STARS program at elementary schools

that have computer labs. Since our public PCs offer unfiltered Internet

access, we have focused on safety on the Internet and the resources on our

homepage. Sorry I can't be of more help.

Curtis L. Kiefer

Youth Services Division Manager

Corvallis-Benton County Public Library

541-757-6962 FAX 541-757-6918

curtis.kiefer@ci.corvallis.or.us

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From: "Catherine E. Ingram" <ceingram@starbase1.htls.lib.il.us>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: Re: chat room use

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:10:14 CST

 

Everyone under the age of 14 must have a parent sign our form in order to

use the Internet. We do not monitor Internet or Chat room use at all.

Further, one of the best uses of chat rooms in my library are a number

of Albanian refuges that use an Albanian chat room to talk to other kids,

IN ALBANIAN. I would have no way to monitor that anyway.

If a person (any age) is using a chat room that keeps crashing our

computer we ask them to use a different chat room. Because of our

security (Fortress) some of the chatrooms do not work because they require

a download.

Catherine

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| Catherine E. Ingram, M.L.S. Joliet Public Library |

| Young Adult Librarian 150 N. Ottawa St. |

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| phone: 815-740-2660 http://www.joliet.lib.il.us |

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From: Bonnie Wright <bwright@aldus.northnet.org>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: [Fwd: chat room use]

Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:16:06 CST

Our library does not allow the use of chat rooms. We have a written

policy and

that is in it. Chat rooms can be harmful to children and teens, who

might try to

meet a "pal" in them-and I'm talking about a child molester posing as a

teen-that sort

of thing. So, first of all, we don't have them to protect kids.

Second of all, we don't have chat rooms because we've found them to be

time-

consuming in terms of the patrons. We allow an hour exclusive use of our

public

computers;two hours if no other patrons want to use them. We've found

people who

were in chat rooms were the most difficult to ask to "vacate" the

computers-they tended to get angry and to want to stay on them-even if

we were about to close

the library. Or, they wanted to "just finish this conversation". So,

secondly, we decided not to have chat rooms because of the amount of

time the patrons take who use them.

Third, we decided that we didn't want to make patrons wait who needed to

do some

serious research-MEDLINE or a school report, for example. We felt, that

as a public library, procuring information had to be our first priority.

So, third, we felt that

chat rooms were better left to home computer users.

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From: hedy_harrison@ci.cerritos.ca.us

To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>

Subject: Re:MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs /response

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:21:17 CST

Thank you, Sharon Van Hemert. I thought that I was being too picky or

judgmental regarding these stumpers. I am in favor of citing sources checked

before offering the question for a stumper. This is similar to the procedure we

use in our MCLS reference searches. Also, we could all use a lesson or two in

transporting voluminous information, such as bibliographies, by e-mail

attachment.

my 2 cents worth...

Hedy L. Harrison

Children's Services Librarian

Cerritos Public Library

hedy_harrison@ci.cerritos.ca.us

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From: "Joan Enriquez" <joane@ocln.org>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: Library Clip Art

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:27:48 CST

Hello ,

I hope you will share with me some of your favorite sites for library

clip art. I am looking for art that is useful for adults and also

children. Thank you.

Joan Enriquez

joane@ocln.org

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From: Kelly Jennings <kjennin@tulsalibrary.org>

To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org

Subject: Juvenile cataloging

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:40:21 CST

We received a wonderful large grant to start a Hispanic resource center

which means lots of new Spanish children's materials. We have 2 vendors

that we work with that will provide the juvenile materials we want. Now to

catalog them.

Because of the amount of material, we cannot do all of this inhouse. The

vendors can provide cataloging, but one outsources the cataloging of

Spanish materials to another company and this is proving to be

unsatisfactory. Suggestions? We need Library of Congress subject

headings. Thanks for your assistance! Reply to me.

Kelly Jennings

Tulsa City-County Library

400 Civic Center

Tulsa, OK 74103

918.596.7970 (office)

918.596.7913 (fax)

kjennin@tulsalibrary.org (e-mail)

<http://www.tulsalibrary.org>

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From: BROWN@TLC.LIB.OH.US

To: pubyac@prairienet.ORG

Subject: RE: chat room use

Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:50:53 CST

Our Internet User Policy doesn't prohibit patrons from using chat rooms. Given

that some people seem to spend the entire day moving from PC to PC, Main to

branches, chatting away the whole time --makes me wish that we COULD limit some

of them. But we don't. The User Policy is concerned more with graphic

displays than with text, and nobody wants to look too closely at what's passing

back and forth--unless patron behavior becomes unruly. I have, occasionally,

tried to lead some kids away from the seedier sites, helping them find places

where they're actually likelier to find other kids instead of adults, or at

least direct them to hobby and similar interest sites. Our Library recently

instituted a policy requiring parental permission slips for INET access, with

special cards issued that have to be displayed. I think that helps limit some

problems. The only real limitation on chatrooms is time limits on most PCs: as

I said, that at least encourages migration.

Greg Browm/Sanger Branch

Toledo Lucas County Public Library

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From: Beverly Kirkendall <bkirkend@ci.hurst.tx.us>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: Re: chat room use

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:57:37 CST

Funny you should ask this today--we are having meeting to hopefully finalize the

revamping of our computer/Internet use policies this afternoon!

We do allow people, regardless of age, to use chat rooms. In the Youth Media

Center (for anyone under 16), I have observed that some chat rooms are blocked

by our filter (Cyberpatrol). I don't know if this is because of the general

content, language, or host web site (if any) associated with the chat room. We

don't moderate chat room usage per se in Youth Media (and I am fairly certain

they don't in Adult Media), but if I know someone is in a chat room, I have a

tendency to find a reason to head that way on occasion, especially if the kid(s)

are getting a little rambunctious. I don't overtly (or covertly, for that

matter) read their conversations, but I do a quick check to make sure they

aren't violating any other rules for computer use. To date we have had little

problem with kids and chat rooms, but we still tend to be a little cautious; I

would rather err a bit on that side than have it become a major issue after the

fact.

Beverly Kirkendall

Hurst Public Library

bkirkend@ci.hurst.tx.us

children johnson city public library wrote:

> I would like some input as to how other libraries handle patrons using chat

> rooms on the Internet. First of all, do you allow chat rooms to be used? If

> so, do you allow any age to use them? Do you moniter the chat room use? I

> appreciate any information about chat room use.

>

> Betty Cobb

> Johnson City Public Library

> bcobb@jcpl.net

>

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From: Vasilik <Vasilik@exchg1.palsplus.org>

To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>

Subject: RE: Stumpers and Bibs

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:04:47 CST

Shannon and Pubyaccers - While personally I enjoy being able to answer a

stumper, I do sometimes wonder if some of us don't sometime resort to the

listserve as the easiest way to answer a question. Of course, on the other

hand, sometimes with the information a patron gives us it is almost

impossible to find an answer to a stumper unless you just happen to know the

book. I don't mind the stumpers, but I'm also happy to be able to "listen"

and sometimes contribute to a professional discussion. I would add to

Shannon's list of etiquette yet another reminder for people who are asking

for bibliographies and stumpers to include their personal e-mail address in

their signature at the end of the request. Depending on your type of e-mail

the original e-mail address is masked by pubyac's and sometimes I just don't

reply because the address isn't there!

Pat Vasilik

Children's Coordinator

Clifton Public Library

Clifton, NJ

vasilik@palsplus.org

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From: Jeri Kladder <jkladder@gcfn.org>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: Re: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:10:41 CST

Shannon,

I too am sometimes aggravated by the stumper and bib requests.

But, my goodness, there are people out there that think they can find 70

year old fiction in A to Zoo and site that as a source they've checked.

There are people out there who really need help. As far as the bib's go,

I think that sitting at home brainstorming a story hour is not sufficient

research before posting a question for others to solve. Maybe a periodic

reminder that people should do their homework, so to speak, before posting

might be a help.

And those people who ask the same question that's been asked and

answered six times in the past year.....grrrr! - jeri

Jeri Kladder, Children's Librarian & Storyteller

jkladder@freenet.columbus.oh.us

Columbus Metropolitan Library

Columbus, Ohio

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