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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>

To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>

Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 00:01:15 CDT

Subject: PUBYAC digest 181

PUBYAC Digest 181

Topics covered in this issue include:

1) RE: Harry Potter

by "Melody Allen" <MelodyAn@gw.doa.state.ri.us>

2) Let's Hear it for the Boys!--writing a book

by Adela Peskorz <peskorza@yahoo.com>

3) Re: "Super-Readers"

by "Lorie J. O'Donnell" <odonnell@borg.com>

4) RE: Summer Reading Prizes

by Susan Lempke <slempke@nileslibrary.org>

5) Re: funny reference questions

by "Diana C. Hollingsworth" <dhollingsworth@starbase1.htls.lib.il.us>

6) Re: funny reference

by Debby Anderson <andersde@oplin.lib.oh.us>

7) RE: Harry Potter

by jandersen@carmel.lib.in.us (Jennifer Andersen)

8) Re: "Super-Readers"

by "Beverly Kirkendall" <bkirkend@ci.hurst.tx.us>

9) Re: Christian fiction or propaganda?

by "Melanie C. Duncan" <duncanm@mail.bibb.public.lib.ga.us>

10) RE: Americanization of Harry Potter

by Becky Smith <bsmith@utstcelbgw.state.lib.ut.us>

11) Left behind series etc.

by "Paula Schaffner" <paula@saline.lib.mi.us>

12) RE: Summer Reading Prizes

by Julie Linneman <juliel@wichita.lib.ks.us>

13) Re: Reference Questions

by sblume@cob.org

14) RE: Summer Reading Prizes

by joslund@tripath.colosys.net

15) Summer Reading/ Rewards

by Carol Chatfield <cchatfield@myriad.middlebury.edu>

16) RE: Funniest Reference Question

by Pat BeCraft <becrafpa@oplin.lib.oh.us>

17) Answer to herb girl in cloth hut

by Kate McLean <mcleank@mail.dekalb.public.lib.ga.us>

18) Re: Summer Reading Prizes

by "Earl and Kirsten Martindale" <earlmart@bellsouth.net>

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From: "Melody Allen" <MelodyAn@gw.doa.state.ri.us>

To: <dimatulka@alltel.net>, <pubyac@prairienet.org>

Subject: RE: Harry Potter

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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:01:00 CDT

Did anyone else see the shocking CBS evening news last night??? In a story on the new book, a girl was shown reading the new HP book, a relative having bought it at a book store in Virginia!! What will happen now? to that book store and will others break down and start selling?

Melody Allen

melodyan@lori.state.ri.us

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From: Adela Peskorz <peskorza@yahoo.com>

To: YALSA-BK@ala.org, YALSA-L@ala.org, booktalking@egroups.com,

pubyac@prairienet.org, YA-URBAN@ala.org, YA-YAAC@ala.org,

YA-TRAIN@ala.org, gnlib-l@topica.com, tagad-l@topica.com

Subject: Let's Hear it for the Boys!--writing a book

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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:10:10 CDT

Please excuse what I know may be tons of cross-posting

for some of you!

Are you offering a great library program, either

targeted specifically to, and/or particularly

successful with, teen boys? If so, I would love to

learn about it and share your success via a book I am

writing about library services for this group.

Whether this is library-based, collaborative,

outreach, an alternative to traditional service

delivery, etc., I definitely want to know about it.

Please email directly at:

peskorza@yahoo.com or

adela.peskorz@metrostate.edu

and I will send you a questionnaire on the specifics

of your program.

Thank you so much in advance for your help,

commitment, and advocacy!

Adela Peskorz

Library Instruction Coordinator

Metropolitan State University

St. Paul, MN

and

Independent YA Consultant & Reading Specialist

peskorza@yahoo.com

PS: Please feel free to leave a message in my ALA

electronic mailbox if you'll be at the conference in

Chicago!

Thanks again!

__________________________________________________

Do You Yahoo!?

Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.

http://invites.yahoo.com/

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From: "Lorie J. O'Donnell" <odonnell@borg.com>

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Subject: Re: "Super-Readers"

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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:15:36 CDT

The major problem I ran into when running the SRP as a "competitive" program

with prizes for the top readers ('super-readers') was the kids reading way

below their reading level just to rack up the numbers. Then the kid who

struggles all summer to finish Moby Dick or Harry Potter gets no

recognition. That's why I changed to non-competetive, everyone gets a prize

and recognition. There are no prizes for reading the most, just for reading

in general.

Lorie

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From: Susan Lempke <slempke@nileslibrary.org>

To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>

Subject: RE: Summer Reading Prizes

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The big problem we are having with Summer Reading this year (which is mostly

going very well)is getting kids to read at anything like their reading

level. We have so many kids who are new immigrants that when a sixth grader

comes up with The Cat in the Hat on his reading list, it's impossible to

tell if that's an appropriate book or if they're reading quick and easy

books to get that next star next to their names or to get the next little

prize for each ten books. For the newest English-speakers, Dr. Seuss is

okay, but what we don't like is rewarding the dishonesty of the ones who are

cheating. The real heartbreaker is when the child who proudly read *one*

long chapter book comes up to the desk, and the next one comes up with a

list of 20 way-too-easy books and gets the bigger reward.

I'm not sure what the solution is--counting minutes next year, maybe?

Susan Dove Lempke <slempke@nileslibrary.org>

Niles Public Library District

Niles Illinois

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From: "Diana C. Hollingsworth" <dhollingsworth@starbase1.htls.lib.il.us>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: Re: funny reference questions

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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:26:41 CDT

I've been lurking for a long time, but I had to jump in on this subject.

First, thank you all for giving me several chuckles as I've been reading

your responses. After all, it is in the middle of summer reading program

and we need all the laughs we can get. :-) This happened to a co-worker:

a child came in looking for a picture of a dinosaur. My co-worker showed

her several dinosaur books. Not satisfied. Why couldn't she have a real

picture of a real dinosaur?

Diana

Shorewood-Troy Public Library

Director of Youth Services

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From: Debby Anderson <andersde@oplin.lib.oh.us>

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Subject: Re: funny reference

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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:32:40 CDT

Since we are telling on ourselves here it goes. On my first day at the

reference desk in the Children's room a 4th or 5th grader approached

me. He spoke very rapidly and the only part I could make out was

"there's a boy in the girl's bathroom." In my best indignant voice I

said "Well, we will take care of that because there shouldn't be.

Thanks for telling me." Of course the boy look at me very strangely and

said "UH, that's the name of the book I want.

That was 12 years ago and I still blush when I think of it.

I also had a question similar to Tammy's. Early one Sat. morning a very

well dressed handsome elderly gentleman asked where the gynecology room

was. His face and ears turned beet red when I replied "The genealogy

room is through those open doors. It was so hard not to laugh.

 

--

Debby Anderson, Children's Librarian

184 Phelps St., Painesville, OH 44077

mailto:andersde@oplin.lib.oh.us

Voice 1-440-352-3383 Fax 1-440-352-1069

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From: jandersen@carmel.lib.in.us (Jennifer Andersen)

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: RE: Harry Potter

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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:09:12 CDT

It was also on the Today Show this morning. I too was shocked and wondered

if by going public the bookstore would be penalized by Scholastic! Anyone

know any more info?

Jennifer

At 10:01 AM 7/3/00 CDT, you wrote:

>Did anyone else see the shocking CBS evening news last night??? In a story

on the new book, a girl was shown reading the new HP book, a relative

having bought it at a book store in Virginia!! What will happen now? to

that book store and will others break down and start selling?

>

>Melody Allen

>melodyan@lori.state.ri.us

>

>

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|"We're fortunate you know.

Jennifer L. Andersen |Too many people in this

Children's Services Librarian |world spend their lives

Carmel Clay Public Library |doing work that doesn't

55 4th AVE SE |really matter in the great

Carmel, IN 46032 |scheme of things. But

317-844-3363 or 814-3917 |bringing children and books

jandersen@carmel.lib.in.us |together does matter. And

|we get to do it."

| --Katherine Paterson

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From: "Beverly Kirkendall" <bkirkend@ci.hurst.tx.us>

To: <odonnell@borg.com>, <pubyac@prairienet.org>

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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:13:43 CDT

<<the kid who struggles all summer to finish Moby Dick or Harry Potter gets no recognition. That's why I changed to non-competetive, everyone gets a prize and recognition. There are no prizes for reading the most, just for reading in general.>>

I second that in a big huge way, although I am not sure I would put Moby Dick and Harry Potter in quite the same category....

Beverly Kirkendall

Hurst Public Library

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From: "Melanie C. Duncan" <duncanm@mail.bibb.public.lib.ga.us>

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Subject: Re: Christian fiction or propaganda?

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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:14:57 CDT

With regards to the Left Behind teen series, I have not read or reviewed

it. I have reviewed Assassins for the adult series. By its very nature,

this particular series is not meant to be subtle, and I can see your

concerns regarding purchasing the teen books.

The best "Christian fiction" is subtle. It does not alienate potential

readers by pounding a specific message into the dust. Instead, it shows by

example, by realistic internal struggle with beliefs, regardless of the

setting (i.e., historical, science fiction, fantasy, mystery, etc.).

If you have a significant demand for these titles, you can justify their

purchase with that demand. Sometimes one book in a series can receive bad

reviews, but libraries will still buy the book to complete the series.

Please feel free to contact me offlist if I can help in any other way.

 

Blessings,

Melanie C. Duncan, M.S.L.S.

Reference Librarian

Washington Memorial Library

The Bookdragon Review (ISSN 1527-0157)

http://www.bookdragonreview.com

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From: Becky Smith <bsmith@utstcelbgw.state.lib.ut.us>

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Subject: RE: Americanization of Harry Potter

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Maggi Rohde wrote:

 

> I picked up the British version of the first HP book (HP and the

> Philosopher's Stone) in a Canadian airport last year. I don't think they

> changed the name for the latter three books -- Chapters (the Canadian

> Borders) web site shows the names are the same. I'd be interested to know

> if Rowling *did* Americanize the latter three books.

Having read both the British and American versions of the first three (I

haven't read #4 yet, obviously!) I can definitely say that the second

and third were "Americanized" in the same way as #1. Things like

"jumper" being changed to "sweater," the Quidditch "pitch" changed to

the Quidditch "field," "torches" to "flashlights" and so on.

I know I'm in the minority, but I *like* the changes. I don't feel that

they detract in any way from the essence of the stories - they're still

obviously British and nothing is different except using a few

Americanized terms instead of the British terms, many of which have

completely different meanings in American English.

We're not talking about great literature here, where changing a few

words would destroy the whole literary experience. This is popular

reading, aimed at kids. The changes make it easier for children in the

USA to read the books, without having to ask "what does this mean?" all

the time. Bravo to those children who do understand British terminology,

but the vast majority around here don't, and why should we ask them to?

They're not reading "Harry Potter" in order to gain understanding of

another culture or for any other sort of learning experience - they're

reading the books for *fun.* I certainly don't want to discourage that!

The only change I actually object to is the title change on the first

book. "Philosopher's Stone" has a defined meaning and a long history,

while "Sorcerer's Stone" means nothing much.

Just my $.02...Flames will be cheerfully ignored! <grin>

--

Becky Ann Smith, Children's Librarian

Logan Library, Logan, UT

bsmith@mail.state.lib.ut.us

bsmith@loganutah.org

http://www.logan.lib.ut.us

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From: "Paula Schaffner" <paula@saline.lib.mi.us>

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Subject: Left behind series etc.

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Janet Evanovich doesn't count as great lit? Rats.

Actually, I'm writing with a Tim LaHaye Left Behind series comment. I also

read the first book, since it was requested for both my public and church

libraries. Yes, it's didactic, but I expected that. What I didn't expect

were several comments that struck me as racist in a sort of backhanded way

("There's a black girl on my bus. SHE can explain this.") I also found

myself very irritated by the fact that the entire first book had about one

chapter's worth of plot. I assumed the Rapture would take place in chapter

1 and then things would get really interesting in the next few. Instead,

the entire book was Chapter One and then we're expected to buy the next

however-many books the authors decide to write! (And they are not cheap.)

I also found, yet again, that authors who write primarily for adults make

very bad authors for young people. The condescension is palpable. Thus

far, when people ask, I've said I'm not buying the books because (a) I

can't find professional reviews and (b) my own reading convinced me that

Mr. LaHaye has no business writing for kids. (Some days I just get grumpy.)

Paula Schaffner

Saline (MI)District Library

paula@saline.lib.mi.us

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From: Julie Linneman <juliel@wichita.lib.ks.us>

To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>

Subject: RE: Summer Reading Prizes

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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:18:41 CDT

You have hit upon something we all struggle with and must come to terms

with: when you do something on the honor system, you must accept that

some young people will cheat. It's sad, but no less true in the library

world than the classroom or the sports arena. And you also must decide

how far you will go to prevent it. Some libraries set all kinds of rules

about what books are acceptable for what age levels, and they ask

questions to make sure they read it (ah, but did they read it this summer

or was it read to their class last schoolyear?). But the more you quiz

children on their reading and require book reports on everything read, the

less fun it becomes. However, for some, that is the necessary thing to do

to prevent giving prizes to those who don't earn it.

In my experience, I have resolved the issue as follows: First, I don't

believe in giving great big gigantic enormous prizes, because it makes the

temptation to cheat great enough that some parents will even help the

child cheat (e.g., a drawing for a family trip to Disneyland, a new

bicycle).

Second, I believe in giving the same prize to all of the kids who read

anything at all and actually take the time to come back to the library to

show us they did. But I certainly understand those who set the bar higher

than that, and that is certainly an option for some. Giving bigger or

more prizes to those who read more only encourages kids to read below

grade level or report books they didn't read. Once they discover that

they will get the same prize for reading a board book as a novel, they

will be more likely to read the kind of books that interest them.

Finally, I accept the fact that some kids will cheat. When I talk to

classes in the spring, and ask for questions, sometimes I get a kid who

will ask, "What happens if someone writes down a book that they didn't

really read?" I love it when they ask that, because it opens up the door

for us to talk momentarily about ethics. I say that I know that sometimes

happens (to let them know we're not clueless). But we base our program on

the honor system. That means that when they tell us they read something,

we believe them. The only one who will know the truth is the child who

does it. And the word for it is cheating. But the person they will be

hurting the most is themselves. They will get the same prize as everyone

else, but deep down, they will know they didn't earn it, and they won't

enjoy it nearly as much. (By this time, they are all kind of giggling

because it sounds rather like a curse, but they know exactly what I

mean...)

If it helps, even Jim Trelease supports reading incentives. I asked him

about it at a conference, and he states that the Bell curve applies: some

kids will read no matter what we do--we can't stop them. Some won't read

no matter what we do--no incentive is enough. But some kids--and

interestingly, it seems to be the kids who are motivated in the

humanities, the kids who seek the spotlight in drama and music--who can

get excited about reading if there is a reward at the end. They tend to

save their certificate as a meaningful relic of their childhood; it

signifies a tangible evidence of an accomplishment. (He says kids who are

math/science oriented were less motivated by outside rewards and more

motivated by internal cues, their own curiosity, to spur them to read.)

I have read with great interest everyone's thoughts on prizes. I think we

all look for ways to get kids focused on reading in the summer, and there

is more than one way to get the job done.

Julie Linneman

juliel@wichita.lib.ks.us

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The pierced and unlikely-looking patron in the children's room wanting a picture

of Curious George wearing the yellow hat.

Turns out he was with a local tattoo parlor finding a design for a customer's

body.

sblume@cob.org

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From: joslund@tripath.colosys.net

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Subject: RE: Summer Reading Prizes

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Three years ago I did a lot of research and thinking about

minutes versus titles. Members of this list shared very

thoughtful rationales and program ideas, and our department

decided to try the minute approach. We *love* encouraging

kids to spend time with books...simple, fair, adaptable. We

create our own reading logs with little clockfaces representing

units of time. (We use 20 minutes as a unit; some use 60, 30

or 15 minutes). Kids can read to themselves, listen to stories,

work with tutors, read to siblings, listen in daycare groups.

Whenever they spend 20 minutes with books in some context,

they get to count it. We issue little rewards every 200

minutes up until they complete 800 minutes. This is based

upon the idea of everybody reading at least 20 minutes a day,

5 days a week, throughout June and July. Many kids want to

get 2nd logs, and although we don't issue more than one set

of prizes, we do let them have additional logs so that we can

capture the number of minutes read. We are trying

collectively to reach a certain number of minutes overall, and if

the children reach that grand total, we have a party and dunk

the library director out on the lawn! It's a hoot.

I just wanted you to know that this method is working very well

for us and after three years, we are sold!

Cheers,

 

 

Janet L. Oslund

Youth Services Librarian

Montrose Library District

320 S. 2nd St.

Montrose, CO 81401

Voice: 970.249.9656

Fax: 970.240.1901

E: joslund@colosys.net

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From: Carol Chatfield <cchatfield@myriad.middlebury.edu>

To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org

Subject: Summer Reading/ Rewards

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We have chosen to promote our summer reading program as "reading for

fun" with the possibility of earning a tee shirt for taking a reading

log and reporting back at a given time later in the summer with reading

progress reported in the log. Last year we did "books by the pound",

and gave credit that way to kids who liked to read but hated to do the

record keeping. It was the chosen method of reporting for many, so

this year we are using a rubber stamp and give one stamp for each title.

In our town of 6000, last year we drew 428 readers and 75% of them came

back for the tee shirt, which was designed by a Friend of the Library.

It had the library design and name on the front and a sponsor's name on

the back as Ilsley Library Summer Reading Sponsor. Because I make a big

deal of having to earn the shirt, it is worn with pride and has become a

very popular item. So the kids get something worthwhile, the library

gets a walking billboard, and the parents are thrilled that the child

has something useful and not another cheap trinket.

I have done summer reading with lots of accountability, lots of record

keeping, no rewards, trinket rewards, and lots of variations on all of

those methods. I find this the easiest to manage with large numbers of

kids but also the most rewarding for the child. There are no goals to

keep track of, and every child gets heavily praised no matter how much

is in the log. The kids find it fair because we tell them one book is

great if it's a long one they really want to read, or lots of short

quick ones are just as valuable. After all, if we're selling the idea

of becoming a lifelong reader, who are we to judge what children choose?

This year we have an hourglass made out of a cardboard box with

plexiglass on four sides (our theme is Time Travelers), and the kids are

just as excited about dropping wooden beads in the box for books read as

they are about the shirt. When we have more signups than we do shirts,

we tell everyone there may not be enough to go around - and people tell

us that's fine, so I don't think they are doing it just for the shirt.

We have already signed up more children this year than we did last

year, and school just got out two weeks ago today so we'll likely get

even

more.

Giving shirts first happened two years ago when a professional parent

asked how she could support summer readers. Her donation started us

off, and we easily got a couple of businesses to help us as well. Last

year a bank volunteered to be my sole sponsor, so it was even easier.

This year I again have several smaller sponsors, and last week another

professional parent asked how they could get on the list for next year.

The shirts are everywhere, so they definitely get their money's worth!

Just my two cents. I know we all choose what works best in our own

communities and that this model for reading may not work or be

acceptable everywhere. I offer it as just another possibility for a

kind of program that has been very successful here.

Carol Chatfield, Youth Services Librarian

Ilsley Public Library

Middlebury, Vermont

cchatfield@myriad.middlebury.edu

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From: Pat BeCraft <becrafpa@oplin.lib.oh.us>

To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>

Subject: RE: Funniest Reference Question

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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:24:09 CDT

Well we actually have had patrons bring in their critters for

identification.. I have dealt with a snake and some assorted insects.

Pat Becraft

Clermont County Public Library

Goshen, Ohio

On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Donna McMillen wrote:

> One of the strangest questions I ever had was when a boy and his dad asked

> for help in finding a book on small mammals. After much questioning and

> looking at field guides, they said the animal was in front of the library!

> Sure enough, we took the field guide out and were able to identify the

> critter hiding by one of the benches--a type of vole. I'm just glad they

> hadn't brought it up to the reference desk to ID it!

>

> Donna McMillen, Managing Librarian

> donnamcm@kcls.org

> King County Library System

> Algona-Pacific Library

> 255 Ellingson Road, Pacific WA 98047

> phone: (253)833-3554

> fax:(206)296-5019

>

> "...And then there were books, a kind of parallel universe in which

> anything might happen and frequently did..." from Anna Quindlen's How

> Reading Changed My Life, 1998.

>

>

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From: Kate McLean <mcleank@mail.dekalb.public.lib.ga.us>

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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:25:21 CDT

Thank you Harriet, Susan, Becky, Kim, Kitty, Joellyn, Diane, Cyndy, Holley,

Nancy!

Looks like it may be Wise Child by Furlong or Lost Magic by Amoss, my

patron is taking them home to decide. Thank you!!!

Kate

Kate McLean

DeKalb County Public Libraries

Tucker-Reid H. Cofer Library

4316 Church St.

Tucker, GA 30084

770-270-8234

fax 770-270-8237

mcleank@mail.dekalb.public.lib.ga.us

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From: "Earl and Kirsten Martindale" <earlmart@bellsouth.net>

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Subject: Re: Summer Reading Prizes

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I used to struggle with this same problem, until I saw this quote in my

director's office:

"I prefer to deal with the 99.9% of the world that's honest. The rest I

leave to God."

Sorry I don't know where it came from, but it works for me!

 

Kirsten Martindale

Buford, GA

 

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From: Susan Lempke <slempke@nileslibrary.org>

To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>

Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 11:21 AM

Subject: RE: Summer Reading Prizes

 

> The big problem we are having with Summer Reading this year (which is

mostly

> going very well)is getting kids to read at anything like their reading

> level. We have so many kids who are new immigrants that when a sixth

grader

> comes up with The Cat in the Hat on his reading list, it's impossible to

> tell if that's an appropriate book or if they're reading quick and easy

> books to get that next star next to their names or to get the next little

> prize for each ten books. For the newest English-speakers, Dr. Seuss is

> okay, but what we don't like is rewarding the dishonesty of the ones who

are

> cheating. The real heartbreaker is when the child who proudly read *one*

> long chapter book comes up to the desk, and the next one comes up with a

> list of 20 way-too-easy books and gets the bigger reward.

>

> I'm not sure what the solution is--counting minutes next year, maybe?

>

> Susan Dove Lempke <slempke@nileslibrary.org>

> Niles Public Library District

> Niles Illinois

>

>

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