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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults
& Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 10:06 AM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 264
PUBYAC Digest 264
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Internet use in Children's Departments
by Georgi Sandgren <ivylane3@yahoo.com>
2) Re: Froggy's Halloween
by Shannon Van Hemert <shannonv@jefferson.lib.co.us>
3) librarian clothing
by Erin Helmrich <helmrich@tln.lib.mi.us>
4) RE: froggy's halloween
by Theyer Hillary <HTheyer@TORRNET.COM>
5) Re: froggy's halloween
by David Serchay <a013213t@bc.seflin.org>
6) Re: froggy's halloween
by Charles Schacht <schachtc@libcoop.net>
7) RE: professional dress for librarians
by Emily.Lloyd@co.fairfax.va.us
8) Re: professional dress for librarians
by wwilson2 <wwilson2@woh.rr.com>
9) Re: shelf reading scanners
by HoneyBea15@aol.com
10) Re: dress for success
by Irene Gavasso <ireneg@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us>
11) RE: froggy's halloween
by Amy Stultz <AStultz@ci.leesburg.fl.us>
12) Library Card Song Thank You
by "Debbie Robitaille" <debbier@cclib.org>
13) RE: froggy's halloween
by Julie Darnall <jdarnall@ccls.org>
14) RE: Standing Orders
by "Langenkamp, Stephanie"
<Langenkamp_Stephanie@ci.san-marcos.tx.us>
15) oops -adults on kids internet
by Paula Lopatic <paulal@alpha1.rpls.lib.il.us>
16) Froggy's Halloween...
by Barb Scott <scottba@oplin.lib.oh.us>
17) Re: Froggy's Halloween
by Charles Schacht <schachtc@libcoop.net>
18) Re: professional dress for librarians
by Harriett Smith <harriett@darkwing.uoregon.edu>
19) Standing Orders and reference usage
by Eric Norton <enorton@scls.lib.wi.us>
20) RE: SATA
by Catherine Mau <cmau@bal.alibrary.com>
21) Re: Internet use in Children's Departments
by "Lorie J. O'Donnell" <odonnell@midyork.lib.ny.us>
22) Desert Storytime
by "Ann W. Moore" <SCP_MOORE@sals.edu>
23) RE: Mother Goose Time
by Kathy Holdorf <kholdorf@jefferson.lib.co.us>
24) Re: Standing Orders
by "Lorie J. O'Donnell" <odonnell@midyork.lib.ny.us>
25) Re: Face paint & cookie decorating
by Kathleen Lescoe <klescoe@farmington.lib.ct.us>
26) RE: shelf reading scanners
by Meghan Kennedy <MeghanK@moval.org>
27) Re: professional dress for librarians
by "steve webber" <mstomper@hotmail.com>
28) Re: Public Performance Rights
by "Marin Younker" <MARIN@ci.tigard.or.us>
29) Professional Dress
by "F. Brautigam" <fbrautig@nslsilus.org>
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From: Georgi Sandgren <ivylane3@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Internet use in Children's Departments
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:10:37 CDT
We don't let the adults use the computers in the
children's department for any purpose - only those
children up to grade 6 which have parental permission
can use the Internet. Any child can use the word
processing functions or the games. Each person who has
to use the computer for any reason has to sign in
either at the children's desk for the children's
computers or at the adult desk for theirs, so it is
easy to limit the ages.
When questioned we explain that the children do not
feel comfortable using the computers if adults are on
them - they feel like they are invading adult space.
We have had a few disgruntled patrons - mainly moms
who wish to check their e-mail on the children's
computers while their preschoolers run around at the
other end of the children's department playing games.
This way, the moms have to keep their small children
with them when they use the adult computers - helps
discourage unattended children.
Of course, we have had exceptions to this rule. Very
rarely, all of the adult computers are in use and a
patron needs to use the internet or word processor for
nonrecreational purposes and we let the patron use a
children's computer.
Hope this helps,
Georgi
=====
Georgi Sandgren
Children's Librarian
East Islip Public Library
381 East Main Street
East Islip, New York 11730-2896
631-581-9200 ext. 6
ivylane3@yahoo.com
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From: Shannon Van Hemert <shannonv@jefferson.lib.co.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Froggy's Halloween
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:18:52 CDT
I distinctly remember an episode from Cosby where the youngest girl was
going Trick or Treating with a friend. They had two baskets each:
one for
people they know and one for people they didn't know (which I thought was
brilliant). And then when Cosby asked them what they were going to say
when
the people opened the door, both kids went into the very same sing-song
ditty that Froggy does. Cosby got this funny look on his face, and then a
slight smirk, but if I remember correctly, didn't chide or contradict them.
I remember it so well because the underwear thing was at first startling,
then funny, and upon reflection, so typical. Cosby hit it right on the
head--this is exactly what kids do.
Shannon VanHemert
Head, Children's Dept.
Columbine Branch
Littleton, CO
shannonv@jefferson.lib.co.us
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From: Erin Helmrich <helmrich@tln.lib.mi.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: librarian clothing
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:20:29 CDT
I wasn't going to reply to this, but I can't help myself any longer - a
little humor is in order I think -
With all due respect (really) I'm not really sure what this "comfort"
issue is about. I wear skirts everyday, platforms (heel and height
without the slant) and I do storytimes etc. - sure I might be more
"comfortable" in a cute sweatshirt and khakis, but that's not very
professional or fashionable. "Comfort" is for the couch and bed
- not the
work place.
Let me also say I am ALL for whimsy, personal expression and originality,
but never at the risk of fashion sense. I prefer to reserve the kitsch
and the whismy for my hair, my accessories and in particular my shoes.
It's a fine line to tread for sure and I'm sure I've crossed it many
times, but I always look polished, coordinated and sometimes even
comfortable :)
Check out http://www.teleport.com/~petlin/liplib/index.html
for a funny
look at this very topic - sense of humor IS required!
***********************************************
Erin V. Helmrich, M.L.S.
Youth Services/Young Adult Librarian
Royal Oak Public Library
***********************************************
222 E. 11 Mile Rd.
Royal Oak MI 48067
P - 248.246.3734
F - 248.246.3704
helmrich@tln.lib.mi.us
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From: Theyer Hillary <HTheyer@TORRNET.COM>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org,
"'Charles Schacht'" <schachtc@libcoop.net>
Subject: RE: froggy's halloween
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:22:11 CDT
That's sort of along the lines of the series. In FROGGY GETS DRESSED, it
is
his underwear he forgets and the kids just crack up. In the soccer one,
Froggy picks his nose (so do Allard's THE STUPIDS). I thought FROGGY GETS
DRESSED was the only really great one, the others just mediocre. Think of
them for the pre-Captain Underpants, The Stupids, that kind of audience.
Hillary Theyer
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From: Charles Schacht
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 7:59 PM
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: froggy's halloween
Just took my first close look at the newly arrived FROGGY"S
HALLOWEEN,
by Jonathon London, and find myself quite unhappy to discover that
one
of the seasonal chants in it that is apparently supposed to be found
amusing is 'TRICK OR TREAT, SMELL MY FEET, GIVE ME SOMETHING GOOD TO
EAT; IF YOU DON'T, I DON'T CARE - I'LL PULL DOWN YOUR UNDERWEAR!" Is
it
just me, or is this the kind of attempted humor that has the
potential
to wind up encouraging kids to do things to other kids "just for
fun"
that the other kids may find majorly traumatic? I would just as
soon
not be in the business of making light of sexual harrassment ... Am
I
taking this all too seriously?
Chuck Schacht
Romeo District Library
Romeo, MI.
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From: David Serchay <a013213t@bc.seflin.org>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: froggy's halloween
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:24:05 CDT
Just as an aside, I read Froggy Goes to Bed for my storytime group, and I
think the parents liked it more than the kids. I guess it's a little to
close to home.
David
David Serchay
a013213t@bc.seflin.org
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From: Charles Schacht <schachtc@libcoop.net>
To: Theyer Hillary <HTheyer@TORRNET.COM>
Subject: Re: froggy's halloween
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I don't mind him forgetting his own underwear - I just don't like the idea
of
his suggesting that threatening to de-pants somebody else is funny...
Chuck
Theyer Hillary wrote:
> That's sort of along the lines of the series. In FROGGY GETS DRESSED,
it
is
> his underwear he forgets and the kids just crack up. In the soccer
one,
> Froggy picks his nose (so do Allard's THE STUPIDS). I thought FROGGY
GETS
> DRESSED was the only really great one, the others just mediocre.
Think of
> them for the pre-Captain Underpants, The Stupids, that kind of audience.
>
> Hillary Theyer
>
> ----------
> From: Charles Schacht
> Sent: Wednesday,
October 04, 2000 7:59 PM
> To: pubyac@prairienet.org
> Subject: froggy's
halloween
>
> Just took my first close
look at the newly arrived FROGGY"S
> HALLOWEEN,
> by Jonathon London, and
find myself quite unhappy to discover that
> one
> of the seasonal chants in
it that is apparently supposed to be
found
> amusing is 'TRICK OR TREAT,
SMELL MY FEET, GIVE ME SOMETHING GOOD
TO
> EAT; IF YOU DON'T, I DON'T
CARE - I'LL PULL DOWN YOUR UNDERWEAR!"
Is
> it
> just me, or is this the
kind of attempted humor that has the
> potential
> to wind up encouraging kids
to do things to other kids "just for
> fun"
> that the other kids may
find majorly traumatic? I would just as
> soon
> not be in the business of
making light of sexual harrassment ...
Am
> I
> taking this all too
seriously?
>
> Chuck Schacht
> Romeo District Library
> Romeo, MI.
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From: Emily.Lloyd@co.fairfax.va.us
To: nattiek@yahoo.com, pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: RE: professional dress for librarians
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:27:32 CDT
Natalie writes, "My final question is: do you look like you have
more authority and know what you're doing if you're wearing jeans and a
t-shirt or a nice pair of slacks and a nice top?"
I find that the widely accepted public image--and therefore the one, if any,
we might wish to "combat"--of library professionals, reinforced in
most
representations of us in popular culture, is that we are dour and
unnapproachable biddies, not that we don't know what we're doing. I rather
think that it is vigorously assumed that we do. I imagine we could be
sitting behind the ref desk in footed pajamas and patrons would still think
we'd read every book in the library. So, to me, perhaps especially with
children and young adults, it is more important to look approachable than to
"look like I know what I'm doing." I believe this is mostly
accomplished
through facial expression and body language, regardless of dress.
As far as librarianship being taken seriously as a profession, I can't
imagine that wearing suits, etc., will do the trick. It didn't much last
century. Instead we should be celebrating this information era--because
those of us who know our way around information *will* be increasingly
valued as information increases, as the forest and the plot thicken.
best,
em
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From: wwilson2 <wwilson2@woh.rr.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: professional dress for librarians
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:29:18 CDT
Someone wrote: My final question is: do you
look like you have
more authority and know what you're doing if you're wearing jeans and a
t-shirt or a nice pair of slacks and a nice top?
This letter has some good ideas, but, truly, a person who
wears a
suit to work with children does not look like she knows what she's
doing. I'm not sure where to draw the line, but more can be known about
a person's professionalism by the remarks that come out of her mouth
than by how she is dressed. If she knows children's literature, and
children, and how organize books so that they can be found and are
appealing, who cares how she looks? I'm not allowed to wear denim at
all (I probably wouldn't wear jeans anyway because I look like a sack of
flour in them.), not even a jumper. Nor may we wear nicely decorated
seasonal tee shirts.
Yet as a mother, I've encountered some really prissy
librarians in
pointed toe spike heels who were really snippy to me and my child (maybe
because their feet hurt?). It was certainly never their fault that we
kept coming to the library or that my child is an avid reader. Dressy
clothes don't guarantee a thing, certainly not knowledge or
intelligence.
However, we should dress so that we feel good about ourselves
(I'm a
schlemazel all day if my hair doesn't feel clean.), and it's a courtesy
to look as good as we can for others.
I guess I'm just so ornery that I hate being told I can't
wear
something, no matter how good it looks, and no matter how bad something
else looks that is within the rules (like snagged and "pilled" black
leggings on someone too big to wear them). I mean rules don't really
work.
Maybe I'm just a rebel without a clothes. Or something.
--ornery slob in a small town in Ohio
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From: HoneyBea15@aol.com
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: shelf reading scanners
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:31:03 CDT
Stephanie,
Yes, the barcode does cover up a large portion of the spine, especially
those
shorter in height and the ones that have additional subject labels. There
may be additional uses to the system other than just reading the shelves and
our director feels that the sacrifice of covering up a large portion of the
spine is well worth it in the long run.
Well, we'll see. I haven't received many responses yet, but I hope to get
some words of wisdom from people who have had experience with it, too.
Thanks for your input, it's greatly appreciated!
Beata Mengel
Children's Librarian
South Huntington Public Library
Huntington Station, NY
Honeybea15@aol.com
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From: Irene Gavasso <ireneg@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: dress for success
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:32:40 CDT
and don't forget Easy Spirit shoes which are in the same league as SAS and
Clarks (I have all three). You have to go to the better department stores
for those brands, Bon Marche, Nordstrom's, etc. Easy Spirit shoes go on
sale, in the Northwest, during the month of July and that's when I try to
buy them.
Irene
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From: Amy Stultz <AStultz@ci.leesburg.fl.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:34:21 CDT
Chuck,
We used to chant that (underwear and all) during trick or treating when I
was a kid (I'm 27). I remember laughing when Bart Simpson said it because
it reminded me of my childhood. We also had the rhyme:
Happy Birthday to you, you live in a zoo, you look like a monkey and you
smell like one too.
There was also one involving Batman but I don't remember the words. I
understand where you are coming from, but I wouldn't get overly worried
about the rhyme. It isn't original to the book so many kids have probably
already heard it (if not said it).
Amy Stultz
Children's Librarian
Leesburg Public Library
astultz@ci.leesburg.fl.us
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From: "Debbie Robitaille" <debbier@cclib.org>
To: <PUBYAC@prairienet.org>
Subject: Library Card Song Thank You
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:36:10 CDT
Thank you to everyone who sent me a library card song. We now have =
several from which to choose. Arthur's Library Card Song can be found =
at www.rounder.com/rounder/artists/arthur_friends/arthur
(sing to the tune of "we wish you a Merry Christmas")
We give you a brand new library card (x3)
and we hope you use it well! Thanks,
Shari
When I say library, you say card,
Library "Card"
Library "Card"
Be sure to use it,
Please don't lose it.
Library "Card",
Library "Card".
Thanks, Jennifer
(sing to the tune of "He's a Jolly Good Fellow)
We're so happy you got your card (x3)
that we will ring a bell.
Thanks again to everyone; you are great!
Debbie Robitaille
Coastal Region Library
Crystal River, FL=20
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From: Julie Darnall <jdarnall@ccls.org>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
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Subject: RE: froggy's halloween
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:37:59 CDT
Adults: take 2 deep breaths and remember your childhood. (Those who
have
not one good memory of childhood for whatever reason are excluded)
Remember
what it was like to laugh at the ridiculous. Then you will see why we have
to allow children to enjoy underwear jokes. If the pc police take
underwear
jokes away from kids, the ball will keep rolling and kids will have nothing
to laugh at. If adults came to your door and chanted that rhyme, they'd be
taken away for other reasons as well.
Get over it! Let kids have their fun! If you don't understand kid's
humor,
you might want to rethink being in children's work.
Julie Darnall
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From: "Langenkamp, Stephanie" <Langenkamp_Stephanie@ci.san-marcos.tx.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: Standing Orders
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:39:43 CDT
I say drop it. Gale ought to publish one volume per year and that
should
be adequate. Gale does some outrageous things with their reference
standing
orders!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karen Stanley [SMTP:kstanley@rosenberg-library.org]
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:38 PM
> To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
> Subject: Standing Orders
>
> I apologize to anyone for whom this is old news, but surely there are
> some out there who are as much in the dark as I was. When my final
> budget figures came in showing I was 100% overspent this year on my
> standing orders I about had a cow and started to look critically at what
> was going on.
>
> Remember the recent conversation about what an important reference
> source Something About the Author is? And I do happen to agree.
I did
> notice that it seemed to be taking up enormous amounts of space and
> thought I should try to get it in CD-ROM format. Well, upon
> investigation I find that there is no CD-ROM to purchase and that the
> number of volumes produced each year for the Something About the Author
> series as well as the Children's Literature Review series has increased
> substantially. We received 11 volumes of SAT this year!
When I called
> Gale to inquire they did tell me that they have plans to reduce the
> total number of volumes produced each year because of complaints.
They
> plan to produce 6-7 volumes per year of Something About the Author and 6
> or 7 volumes per year of Children's Literature Review.
>
> Actually, I could do with even fewer volumes than that being produced.
> Quarterly volumes of SAT and two volumes per year of CAR seems like
it
> would more than fit our needs. Since both sources are used so little
in
> our library I don't know that I can continue to justify the amount I
> spend yearly on these two publications. Thoughts? Suggestions?
>
> Karen Stanley
> Head of Children's Services
> Rosenberg Library
> Galveston, TX
> kstanley@rosenberg-library.org
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From: Paula Lopatic <paulal@alpha1.rpls.lib.il.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: oops -adults on kids internet
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:41:30 CDT
A correction to my earlier posting.
We have three Internet computers in the adult periodicals room and four
Internet computers in the children's room totaling the seven that I
mentioned. I really can count, but I'm not a great proof reader.
Paula Lopatic
paulal@rpls.lib.il.us
Vespasian Warner Public Library
310 N. Quincy St.
Clinton, IL 61727
217/935-5174
fax 217/935-4425
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From: Barb Scott <scottba@oplin.lib.oh.us>
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: Froggy's Halloween...
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:43:12 CDT
Chuck, et, al.,
I really think that you're taking the "chant" much too seriously. I am
in
my mid 40s and that rhyme has been around all my life and I think I turned
out pretty well (that would be questionable to some, but that's a whole
'nother story...).
I think preschoolers, early elementary, and parents alike would enjoy it
for no more than it is....a laugh-getter...I know my groups would roar!
It's too bad that in our quest to be "PC", we take away the fun of
childhood.
Just my opinion...
Barb Scott, Children's Librarian
Bucyrus Public Library
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From: Charles Schacht <schachtc@libcoop.net>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Froggy's Halloween
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One could make a case for the position that when children are taught
that it's funny to humiliate/de-pants other children it's a serious
concern. I suspect that anyone who has ever had their underwear
pulled
down in public would be rather seriously traumatized. Of course this
would not be the INTENT of Froggy's author, but I'm just not happy with
the message, any more than I'd be happy with a book that portrayed other
sorts of cruelty as laughing matters. Lord knows I'm not saying that I
think we ought to go through our whole collections and toss everything
that's not wholly enlightened, but IMHO some things like Froggy may push
the envelope a little too far.
Feeling curmudgeonly and not much enjoying it-
Chuck Schacht
Romeo District Library
Romeo, MI.
Suzanne Kirk wrote:
> You are definetly taking this book too seriously.
>
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From: Harriett Smith <harriett@darkwing.uoregon.edu>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: professional dress for librarians
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:46:49 CDT
Dear All,
I usually lurk on this list for learning purposes, but I can't help
responding to Natalie's post.
I can't help thinking that it is slightly ridiculous not to ask a question
simply because people are not dressed in the manner you think they should
be! I work in an academic library in which most of us dress casually, but
believe me, we all know how to answer a question, and how to refer a
patron to the proper person if we *don't* know the answer! Our patrons
expect
quality service from staff at all levels, from student workers to
head librarian, regardless of costume -- and they get it. I find it hard
to see *anyone* as acting "professionally" if they discriminate on the
basis of outward appearance so extremely as to refuse to even attempt give
staff the opportunity to serve them!
Pages or librarians -- all should be trained to answer questions in a
prompt and courteous manner, and to politely refer the patron to the
proper person if asked a question they cannot answer. *That's*
professional service! If a patron encounters a "professional"
librarian
dressed in a suit who is rude, demeaning, or dismissive of them, and later
encounters a librarian in sweats who takes the time to ascertain what they
want and help them find it in a friendly, prompt, and courteous manner,
who do you think will be regarded by the patron as the *real* professional?
Dropping back to lurkdom,
Harriett Smith
harriett smith my opinions only
catalog dept, knight library
university of oregon, eugene 97403
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~harriett
harriett@darkwing.uoregon.edu
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:10:29 CDT
From: Natalie <nattiek@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: professional dress for librarians
<snip>
I walked into a library once and didn't even ask
a question because the girls were all wearing jeans
and I didn't know who the librarian was! In my
department, we are all rather young and patrons are
always thinking the pages are librarians. Could you
imagine how much that confusion would increase if we
didn't dress appropriately? I am all for comfort, but
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Natalie Kramer
Youth Services Librarian
Farmingdale Public Library
Farmingdale, NY
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From: Eric Norton <enorton@scls.lib.wi.us>
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Subject: Standing Orders and reference usage
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:48:40 CDT
Hello Karen and all,
I notice it is still a balmy 81F down in Galveston. It's 30F here in
Wisconsin Rapids and there is snow predicted for the weekend. Ah, well...
Right now we don't have CLR so I can't really help on that issue but we
have a complete run of SATA along with most of the SATA Autobiography
series. They take up a quarter of my reference shelving and I'm not sure
were I am going to squeeze in the new ones when they arrive. To the best
of my memory, no one besides the staff ever uses these volumes. On the
other hand, we do author talks for classes several times throughout the
year so I hate to think of not having SATA around.
In general, I notice that the reference collection is used very little.
Kids want to either get a book to take home or they want to find some
(possibly inaccurate) information off of the Internet. There are all these
wonderfully illustrated reference series packed with good information that
just sit around. Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon? I'm
tempted to
drastically reduce the whole reference area (and my reference spending) but
I think I might still keep at least the more current SATA volumes around.
That's my $.02.
Eric Norton
enorton@scls.lib.wi.us
Head of Children's Services
McMillan Memorial Library
490 E. Grand Ave.
Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin 54494
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From: Catherine Mau <cmau@bal.alibrary.com>
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Subject: RE: SATA
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:50:21 CDT
Karen,
I agree with you totally-- this is a great reference resource, but
it's
taking up more space than I feel I can give it. I have asked several times
about the possibility of an online version, but our rep has said there are
no plans to make it available on the web. Gale offers an online version of
their adult literary products; hopefully it's just a matter of time before
they get with it and offer SATA and Children's Literature Review online as
well. Maybe if we all band together and ask......
Catherine Mau
Catherine Mau
Head of Young People's Services
Barrington Area Library
505 N. Northwest Highway
Barrington, IL 60010-3399
cmau@bal.alibrary.com
http://www.bal.alibrary.com
847.382.1300 ext. 250
FAX: 847.382.1261
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From: "Lorie J. O'Donnell" <odonnell@midyork.lib.ny.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Internet use in Children's Departments
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:52:02 CDT
We do limit the use of the computers in the Children's Room to children
and/or caregivers (with kids in tow). I have signs on all of the terminals
and will not hesitate to tell adults (and teens over 13) that they must go
to the adult side.
When school is in session I am not as strict, and I always tell the adult
that I am making an exception and they will have to use the adult side next
time.
The adult side has a similar rule for their computers - no kids under 14.
That is how I came to make the same rule for the kids.
Lorie
-- Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
- Elbert Hubbard
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From: "Ann W. Moore" <SCP_MOORE@sals.edu>
To: PUBYAC@PRAIRIENET.ORG
Subject: Desert Storytime
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:53:48 CDT
I am planning a storytime using books related to the southwestern desert.
The books I have are Coyote Dreams by Nunes, Here is the Southwestern
Desert by Dunphy, This House is Made of Mud by Buchanan, and Way Out in
the Desert by Marsh and Ward.
However, I need related fingerplays! Any ideas for fingerplays or songs
dealing with the desert, coyotes, sand, desert animals like roadrunners,
etc.?
TIA!
Ann W. Moore
scp_moore@sals.edu
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From: Kathy Holdorf <kholdorf@jefferson.lib.co.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: Mother Goose Time
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Linda,
I found a web site that seems to fit the bill.
http://www.mothergoosetime.com/
Kathy Holdorf
Columbine Library
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From: Linda Moffet [mailto:moffet@dcls.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 4:27 PM
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Subject: Mother Goose Time
Hi!
A day care provider contacted me for information on a
subscription
service called "Mother Goose Time."
She describes it as a monthly mailing that provides
pre-school-appropriate lesson plans and enough craft materials for each
child in her program. Sounds intriguing. Can anyone provide
contact
information for this outfit?
Thanks,
Linda Moffet
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From: "Lorie J. O'Donnell" <odonnell@midyork.lib.ny.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Standing Orders
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:57:25 CDT
Karen, I agree that Something About the Author is a valuable reference
source and wouldn't consider dropping it. I did, however, drop Children's
Literature Review a few years ago. Between my collection, our system and
the wonderful world of ILL it doesn't take long to get the reviews at all.
It seemed an unneeded expense, and I haven't missed it at all. Not a word
of dismay from the patrons either.
Lorie O'Donnell
Jervis public Library
Rome, NY
p.s. It is good news that they are reducing the number of volumes!!
-- All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost
- - - -J. R. R. Tolkien "Lord of the Rings"
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From: Kathleen Lescoe <klescoe@farmington.lib.ct.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Face paint & cookie decorating
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:59:07 CDT
Hi Lisa!
I just want to add a word of caution about the face paint recipe. Because
there are many individuals with allergies, I am reluctant to use washable
paint
for face painting. The fact that it is washable does not necessarily mean
that
it is safe to use cosmetically, for there all different kinds of washable
paint. Because we have become a litigious society, I prefer
spending the money and using face paint that has been tested for use as
make-up, so the responsibility for chemical effects is on the manufacturer.
Kathy Lescoe
Barney Library
HFL_LISA@stls.org wrote:
> A professional clown gave me the best paint Buy creamy baby oil-the
whoite
> kind. You can use the no name brand. Take kids washable
paints-\any will
> do
> and add to a tablespoon or so of the white paint. I mix these in an
> egg carton by the way. The paint goes on really smooth and creamy
> and cleans off like a dream. Plus your skin is pretty soft when
> our done! I really wouldn't use food coloring at all-it stains your
sknin
> pretty badly. You would be green for quite awhile if you left food
> dye on our face!
> Lisa Dowling
> Horseheads Library
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From: Meghan Kennedy <MeghanK@moval.org>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: shelf reading scanners
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:00:59 CDT
Sorry I'm posting this to the list--but the e-mail of whomever sent the
original ?? has gone by-by.
A couple concerns I would have. One would go along w/what Stephanie
mentioned regarding that many children's books (and some adult books) are
quite thin.
The second being--how do they get checked out. I don't know why, but the
way I picture a circ person checking books out w/the barcode on a spine is
not very easy and probably not very ergonomic. Wouldn't want people to run
into problems down the road.
The idea sounds great for shelf reading, but as always, other things to be
considered.
Meghan
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From: Langenkamp, Stephanie
[mailto:Langenkamp_Stephanie@ci.san-marcos.tx.us]
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:58 PM
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Subject: RE: shelf reading scanners
I would be concerned about the barcode covering up the title. Those are
mighty skinny books. It sounds like more trouble than its worth to me.
(but
the truth is I have no experience with it.)
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From: "steve webber" <mstomper@hotmail.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: professional dress for librarians
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:02:45 CDT
Obviously there isn't going to be much of a consensus here. Personally, I
fall into the wear-what's-comfortable camp. I don't think I've ever worn a
t-shirt to work, but it isn't unusual for me to wear jeans and a polo or
flannel shirt. I'm a children's librarian now, but I dressed the same way
when I was a college reference librarian and a branch manager in a large
system. I will dress up a little more for meetings sometimes. I
wouldn't
feel any less professional if I were wearing a gorilla costume. On the
other hand, I realize that some people place more importance on appearance
than I do. If they feel more professional and believe they will be taken
more seriously in business attire, that's ok too. I'm sure the there are
big differences in the corporate cultures at different libraries. One must
also take into account the clientele served. It's been interesting to see
the range of opinions on this topic. My guess is that the majority of
library users, especially children, could care less how we're dressed as
long as we provide quality service. I'm glad that the profession as a
whole
is relatively laid back when it comes to attire, because if I came home with
a shave, a haircut, and a tie my children probably wouldn't recognize me.
Steve
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From: "Marin Younker" <MARIN@ci.tigard.or.us>
To: <jrrchild@hotmail.com>, <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Public Performance Rights
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:04:25 CDT
another resource for public performance rights is criterion, 1-800-890-9494.
i've had better luck with criterion (customer services is superior) over
swank, though swank has a better selection. marin.
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And I have a date with a professional snogger.
Angus, Thongs, and Full-Frontal Snogging
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Young Adult Services Librarian
Tigard Public Library, OR
(503) 684-6537
marin@ci.tigard.or.us
>>> jrrchild@hotmail.com
09/27/00 04:31PM >>>
Thanks to everyone that responded to my question about public performance
rights for YA movie programs.
Swank 1-800-876-5577
www.swank.com
One person emailed me saying that you can get a catalog from Swank upon
request.
Another potential source from an email:
This comes up all the time on Videolib - but can I remember it?
no. One place is Swank. The web address is www.swank.com.
I know there
is another company. If you check the Videolib archives - located at the
University of California at Berkeley -
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/VideoLib/archive.html.
Or, ask Videolib - videolib@library.berkeley.edu.
This a great
resource for librarians who work with video in any way, shape or form.
Good
luck!
Becky Tatar
Jeanenne Robinson
Jrrchild@hotmail.com
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From: "F. Brautigam" <fbrautig@nslsilus.org>
To: pubyac <PUBYAC@prairienet.org>
Subject: Professional Dress
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:06:28 CDT
Not to add fuel to the fire, but has anyone else had varying experiences
in different parts of the country? When I lived in one region of the
country, I was blatantly and mercilessly shadowed by store clerks because
I went shopping in old jeans and gym shoes. To them that meant I was a
likely candidate for shoplifting. I now live in the midwest, where it is
not uncommon for people to wear shorts and beepers to the major worship
service of the week. When I have been at my current library on my days
off, I have been approached for help by patrons; some of those times I
have been wearing jeans, tennis shoes, an outdoor coat, and carrying a
purse. I have always apologized for my dress and explained I was not on
duty while helping the person. To a man, the patrons have looked me up
and down and then said,
"Oh, I never noticed." I did wonder, however, what patrons
perceive our
job to be after I was asked for help when I was sitting on a step doing
counted cross-stitch ...
Faith Brautigam
Gail Borden Public Library, Elgin, IL 60120
E Mail: fbrautig@nslsilus.org
Phone: 847-742-2411 Fax: 847-742-0485
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