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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:01 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 271


    PUBYAC Digest 271

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: rules for harry Potter Jeopardy?
by Inge Saczkowski <isaczkowski@niagarafalls.library.on.ca>
  2) re: froggy's Hallowe'en
by "Mary Johnson (amk)" <mjohnson@wls.lib.ny.us>
  3) Summer Reading Game activities
by "Janice E. Bojda" <j-bojda@evanston.lib.il.us>
  4) Re: professional dress for librarians
by Mary Ann Gilpatrick <magilpat@walnet.walla-walla.wa.us>
  5) Asterix series
by "children johnson city public library" <jcplkids@hotmail.com>
  6) discussion questions
by Christine Hill <chill@willingboro.org>
  7) focus group
by Christine Hill <chill@willingboro.org>
  8) Books for Babies
by "Murray, Ann E." <AEMurray@pldminfo.org>
  9) Re: professional dress responses
by "Cheryl D." <whirlee@hotmail.com>
 10) Youth Advisory Boards
by LKUCALABA <LKUCALABA@YMC.LIB.OH.US>
 11) RE: Planned Parenthood program
by Andrea Johnson <ajohnson@cooklib.org>
 12) RE: Professional Dress- Wonderbra
by Andrea Johnson <ajohnson@cooklib.org>
 13) Auto racing books
by Theyer Hillary <HTheyer@TORRNET.COM>
 14) Re: Summer Reading
by "Judy Stewart" <stewartj@einetwork.net>
 15) Professional Dress for Froggy's Halloween
by bwilliams@brdgprtpl.lib.ct.us (Bina Williams)
 16) cleaning and maintenance
by "Cathy Norman" <csn71650@hotmail.com>
 17) permission slips for overnight
by Bill and Kristin Nichols <kerker@gate.net>
 18) RE: Froggy etc.
by Tina Cavanough <TCavanough@alicespringscouncil.nt.gov.au>
 19) Re: Help With A Research Paper
by Sushila Mertens <kidlit_2000@yahoo.com>
 20) (no subject)
by Sherelle Harris <sherelle_npl@yahoo.com>
 21) stumper- getting up for school and Chinese brothers
by Janette Johnston <jj@round-rock.tx.us>
 22) RE: Personal Best
by Aarene Storms <astorms@kcls.org>
 23) Stumper: Giant and Boy
by "M. B. McCarthy" <marymc@lynx.sni.net>
 24) Stumper - Turkey
by "Judy Stewart" <stewartj@einetwork.net>
 25) Stumper - Scrabble YA book
by "Judy Stewart" <stewartj@einetwork.net>
 26) Confidentiality of Library Records
by "Don Wood" <dwood@ala.org>
 27) COPA Commission: Educate police, public on online dangers to
by "Don Wood" <dwood@ala.org>
 28) HIT:  Using Freemarc, LOC, & BCCLS (Directions)
by Robin Shtulman <shtulman@erving.com>

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From: Inge Saczkowski <isaczkowski@niagarafalls.library.on.ca>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: rules for harry Potter Jeopardy?
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:14:30 CDT

Yes we have done this.  We used a large sheet of paper, onto which we  had
neatly lettered all the questions, in column with headings, just like the
real thing,  and just pinned it to an easel ( I think we used the felt board
underneath for stability).  On top of each block we put different coloured
posti-notes with the amount of money, so all "Wizards" were green notes, in
a
column "100" "200" etc.  The board was very colourful and looked pretty
professional.  On the back of the posti-note we put the answer.  So, the
kids
were divided into 4 houses, and each had a sound to make to respond  to the
question  ( Bell, whistle, maracas, triangle)  So, the kids would call out,
"Wizards for 100", I whipped off the post-note, read the question and had
the
answer in my hand, on the back of the note.  Worked very well,  Initially
the
kids were quick to jump in even if they didn't know the answer, but then
when
they found out that we DEDUCTED points, it went much better.  It was a lot
of
work to neatly letter eveything, as well as the double jeopardy, but we have
had good use of the board, as well as lending the set toneighboring
municipalities

"Mary Johnson (amk)" wrote:

> Hello everyone - my sister is a new children's librarian, and wants to
> play Harry Potter jeopardy with her Hogwarts club next week.  We have the
> questions (thanks very much!) but are now wondering if anyone who has
> done this can explain the mechanics.  Do you have a jeopardy board?  Do
> you write out the questions at all?  How do you keep track of the scores
> or determine who rang in first? If you have played jeopardy in the
> library before, we'd be very grateful for some tips!  Thanks in advance
> for all your help! Please respond to my sister at deirdrej@wildmail.com
> or to me at mekj@earthlink.net
>
> Mary Johnson, YA librarian, North Castle Library, Armonk, NY

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From: "Mary Johnson (amk)" <mjohnson@wls.lib.ny.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: re: froggy's Hallowe'en
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:40:06 CDT

Well said, Kirsten! I, too, agree with Chuck.  Most of us have fond
memories of rude rhymes we sang or recited as children, but I'd be
willing to bet we all learned them from other children and didn't have
them modelled (?sp) by adults.  There is, indeed, a difference between
simply chanting a rhyme or jump-rope song with one's friends and hearing the
same rhyme from an adult - just as there is a difference between pulling
a book off the shelf and/or reading it at home and hearing it in story
time. It's quite possible that hearing something from a teacher or
librarian legitimizes it and encourages cruel behavior - and equally
possible that it takes half the fun out of the rhyme!  After all, much of
the fun in these rhymes was that they were ours - not something we were
officially taught.  I still love "Miss Lucy had a speedboat.." and the
various
versions of "Cinderella, dressed in yellow...", and I'd never take
"Froggy's Hallowe'en off the shelf, but I'm not sure I'd read it aloud to
a lot of little ones.

Just my two cents-

Mary Johnson, YA librarian, North Castle Library, Armonk, NY
mjohnson@wls.lib.ny.us

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From: "Janice E. Bojda" <j-bojda@evanston.lib.il.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Summer Reading Game activities
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:47:52 CDT

Back in the late spring or early summer I thought I got a web site from a
PUBYAC posting of a public library's summer reading game site. When I went
to the site I remember thinking it was really creative. There were actually
three sites; one for preschoolers, one for elementary school and one for
middle school aged children. Each page had the children completing
reading/library related things like: bring in a friend to sign up for the
reading game, read a book to a younger child, sign up for a library
card...Each age group had some different activities based on the age of the
participant. Participants somehow got credit for the reading game for
completing the activities, or at least some of the activities.

That's about as much as I remember, unfortunately. I should have printed
off the rules and the activities, but I didn't. If you recognize this as
your library please get in touch with me. I am looking to restructure our
summer reading program and would like to have copies of the activities you
used. Thanks.



Janice E. Bojda
Head of Children's Services
Evanston P.L.
1703 Orrington
Evanston, IL 60201

Phone 847/866-0320
Fax 847/866-0623
j-bojda@evanston.lib.il.us

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From: Mary Ann Gilpatrick <magilpat@walnet.walla-walla.wa.us>
To: cwilson2@kent.edu, pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: professional dress for librarians
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:56:48 CDT


OK OK: I guess I was also making a point about those of us who have been
around awhile and have seen a lot of stuff come and go, including the image
police.
 Rather than do any more private replies,  the story goes in my version
thus:

So Nasrudin took  his soup, and poured it into one pocket, and took his
sauce, and poured it into the other pocket, and took his honeycakes, and
smeared them down the front of his robes ...

NASRUDIN! What are you DOING?

well, I'm feeding the feast to my clothes, since I decided the feast must be
for them ...


wwilson2 wrote:

> Re the Nasrudin story...
>     No, I don't remember the story, and I'm holding my breath waiting to
> find out what clever thing the guy did with his food.  Please finish!
> 8-)

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From: "children johnson city public library" <jcplkids@hotmail.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Asterix series
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:07:49 CDT

Thanks to all who sent input about the Asterix series!  All but one who
responded felt like the series is worth purchasing, so we're going to add a
few titles and see. Thanks again for the wonderful input!

Betty Cobb
Johnson City Public Library
bcobb@jcpl.net
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From: Christine Hill <chill@willingboro.org>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: discussion questions
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:15:31 CDT

Has anyone led a discussion group on Yolonda's Genius by Carol
Fenner? Would you be willing to share your questions?
Christine M. Hill
Willingboro Public Library
One Salem Road
Willingboro, NJ 08046
My new book! Ten Terrific Authors for Teens, Enslow, 2000

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From: Christine Hill <chill@willingboro.org>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: focus group
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:23:59 CDT

Has anyone ever hired a consultant to run a focus group? How
much did it cost, ball-park?
Christine M. Hill
Willingboro Public Library
One Salem Road
Willingboro, NJ 08046

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From: "Murray, Ann E." <AEMurray@pldminfo.org>
To: "'PUBYAC@prairienet.org'" <PUBYAC@prairienet.org>
Subject: Books for Babies
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:33:25 CDT

Our library is finally getting a project off the ground involving getting
board books into the hands of brand new parents at our local hospitals.  We
are going to distribute books in a small plastic bag with the library's
local on the outside of the sack.  One of our children's librarians raised
the question whether or not we should have the sack printed with a warning
about it not being a plaything, etc and to keep it out of the hands of three
year olds and below.  Frankly, this had not occurred to the rest of us and
we were skeptical.  I offered to put the query out to the list to see if
anyone had dealt with this with their Books for Babies programs.  Thanks,
please respond to me directly.  Ann E. Murray  aemurray@pldminfo.org

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From: "Cheryl D." <whirlee@hotmail.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: professional dress responses
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:43:17 CDT




and will not be afraid to get whimsical when I want
>to.

***Here's to getting whimsical!    What a great word!  :)

>
>There is a blessed, wonderful group of librarians who susbscribe to this
>listserv.
>
>I compliment the listserv and the librarians who participate in it.
>I am proud to be a part of it all and delighted to be in this
>profession.

***I wholeheartedly agree with Bonnie.  I am a new subscriber; been lurking
for about a month!  I, too, am impressed with the character of the members
of this listserv.  What a varied (and fun)group we are.  I have been
astounded by the one-on-one conversations I have had off list with some of
the librarians.  A lovely bunch!  I am proud and delighted to be part of
this!  It is a fantastic way to share and express.  Here's to us!  We RULE!
We ROCK!!!!!


Cheryl D. (aka Whirlee)
Children's Librarian (for @6 months)
Canton (CT) Public Library



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From: LKUCALABA <LKUCALABA@YMC.LIB.OH.US>
To: "'PUBYAC@prairienet.org'" <PUBYAC@prairienet.org>
Subject: Youth Advisory Boards
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:51:44 CDT

I just joined this listserv Thursday and am a librarian doing a research
project on Youth Advisory Boards.  Last Thursday I noticed a posting in
reference to information about Youth Advisory Boards.  I am interested in
any information anyone might have about this topic: practical advice,
resources, experiences with, URLS to other libraries with Youth Advisory
Boards, forms used, comments, etc.  Any information would be greatly
appreciated.    
Information can be sent to:    lkucalaba@ymc.lib.oh.us

Thank you!!!
Linda Kucalaba

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From: Andrea Johnson <ajohnson@cooklib.org>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: Planned Parenthood program
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:00:10 CDT



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diane_Tuccillo@ci.mesa.az.us [SMTP:Diane_Tuccillo@ci.mesa.az.us]
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:32 AM
> To: pubyac@prairienet.org
> Subject: Planned Parenthood program
>
> One thing that happens every year without fail is I get calls from irate
> patrons complaining about holding a program in our library that is run by
> Planned Parenthood. They can't believe we would deal with PP because of
> their stance on abortion. As our director said, there is something in the
> library to offend anyone, and this is one good example. I usually explain
> (to those with concerns) about the coalition and the importance of getting
> this information to people who need it, and that PP does not try to
> pursuade anyone to have an abortion as part of the programs we offer.
>
==================================================================
Do you have any kind of policy that says "The library does not
endorse the views..."  relating to your collections, speakers, etc?  If not,
you should.   I've seen such policies before, though I don't remember the
exact wording.  You can explain that the program in question has nothing to
do with abortion, and that the political positions of the organization
you're working with are not necessarily those of the library, and so on...

Andrea Johnson
ajohnson@cooklib.org

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From: Andrea Johnson <ajohnson@cooklib.org>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: Professional Dress- Wonderbra
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:10:53 CDT



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sue Ridnour [SMTP:SRidnour@flower-mound.com]
>
> I wasn't going to get into this one, either, but Carolyn brings up one of
> my pet peeves: when you can't tell the employees from the customers,
> whether it's in a library, department store or whatever.    No matter how
> we decide to dress, if we are wearing our ID BADGES we can easily be
> identified as library employees, and if it's important to be distinguised
> from the clerks and pages, we can put our titles in addition to our names
> on the badges.
=================================================================

I don't mean to be argumentative; I think that name badges are a
wonderful way to make staff more approachable.  But we never have trouble at
our library with people knowing the employees from the customers.  We are
the ones sitting behind the desk and/or helping all the people!  :)

Andrea Johnson
ajohnson@cooklib.org

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From: Theyer Hillary <HTheyer@TORRNET.COM>
To: "'PUBYAC@prairienet.org'" <PUBYAC@prairienet.org>
Subject: Auto racing books
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I am writing a collection development article on auto racing materials for
all ages.  I am covering NASCAR, CART, IRL and Formula 1 in books,
magazines, movies, and Web sites.  What I would like is to be able to
interview (by e-mail or phone) some fans of racing about what materials they
seek and why.  I would also like to hear from some school or public
librarians about how you collect in this area, where you find material, and
the reaction to it in the library.  Do parents consider NASCAR biographies
"junk?"  Do kids think the books are dull and the magazines are the way to
go?  Do teens come in to use the Internet for information on this array of
sports?

For NASCAR especially (second most popular sport on TV in the US, by the
way) I would like to hear from someone in the South, since Charlotte, NC and
Daytona, FL are the "homes" of the sport.  If there are subscribers in
Europe or South America, I would like to hear from you too if you collect or
need material on F1, Juan Montoya, or other famous European or South
American racers.  (Juan Montoya, Rubens Barichello, etc)  Canada also hosts
both CART and F1 races, so a Canadian perspective would be valuable too.

Any assistance is greatly appreciated, and if you have a favorite book or
magazine, please let me know.

Thank you!
Hillary Theyer

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From: "Judy Stewart" <stewartj@einetwork.net>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Summer Reading
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:29:41 CDT

Here is our experience:

----- Original Message -----
From: Jmclacko@aol.com
Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:11 pm
Subject: Summer Reading

> Hi everyone,
>
> The San Jose Public Library's summer reading club committee is
> looking for
> new ways of packaging the summer reading program.  We want to
> encourage more
> children and young adults to get involved.  We also want to get
> away from
> the standard reading 8 to 10 books in 8 to 10 weeks.  We are
> especiallyinterested in how young people keep track of what they read.
>
> Is there a set number of books they must read?

We ask them to read 5 books at their reading level (i.e., Easy Readers,
chapter books, picture books).  This is over 8 weeks.
>
> Do you ask them to write something about the books read?  No
>
> What types of prizes or incentives do you offer?  Our prizes are
pretty simple, stickers, coupons from local businesses, puzzle pages,
usually a bookmark and bookbag,and one other prize provided by the
district.  The big prize is a paperback book they select - I save them
all year long from donations, buy them at discount places, etc.  They
love this prize.
>
> Do you use commercial artwork or is it done in-house?  Our artwork i
done at the state level and since we have chosen to use the state theme
we have that professionally designed artwork to use.
>
> Do you have special programs for pre-readers and young adults? (If so,
> please tell about the program).  Yes, we have a Read-to-Me program
where the parents keep track of books read to the kids on a log or
chart, and then we have a party/puppet show at the end of the summer.
>
> What is the most successful thing about your summer reading program?
>
Increased circulation!  The kids are excited about coming.  One thing
you did not ask was whether we have weekly meetings.  Many libraries do
not due to large numbers.  We have about 100 enrolled, and I have weekly
one-hour meetings with a story, craft, game, etc.  This draws about
50-60 each week.  It is a lot of work but the kids enjoy it.

> Thanks for all your help,
>
> Jennifer Clacko, Youth Services Librarian
> West Valley Branch Library
> 1243 San Tomas Aquino Rd.
> San Jose, CA 95117
> 408-244-4766
> 408-984-3736 fax
> jennifer.clacko@ci.sj.ca.us
>
>

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From: bwilliams@brdgprtpl.lib.ct.us (Bina Williams)
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Professional Dress for Froggy's Halloween
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:38:25 CDT

Yes, this is a frivolous message!  However, I have been reading these two
threads over the last couple of weeks and find that my mind has e-mail
merged them....

So, here is my goofy suggestion: Froggy should go out on Halloween, dressed
in sensible shoes (be they Birkenstocks, granny shoes, Easy Spirits, pumps,
Clarks or Adidas), and practical, neat yet comfortable, professional
looking clothes. Optional: wacky accessories to taste. These clothes should
be so designed that no one can actually reach the wearer's under garments
to pull them down in the first place....
Froggy, as library professional, should bring along his storyhour puppets,
journals, a computer, a reference book of subversive children's
verse...say, Greasy Grimy Gopher Guts..., and, of couse, all the Froggy
books.

I hope that my jest offends no-one...
Happy Halloween!
Bina Williams
Bridgeport Public Library
bwilliams@brdgprtpl.lib.ct.us

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From: "Cathy Norman" <csn71650@hotmail.com>
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: cleaning and maintenance
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:51:23 CDT

Dear All:
At the risk of opening a can of worms ....
Who is responsible for the cleaning etc. at your library?
Who vacuums, dusts, washes shelves, empties trash, etc.?
Who takes care of the grounds, i.e. picking up trash, cigarette butts, pop
cans etc.?
Who repairs furniture?
I hope you get the idea here.  If there are tasks that I have left off that
you feel should be included, please feel free to add them or comment.  I am
attempting to make a recommendation to the director & board so any help
would be appreciated.
You may reply to me off list, thus avoiding the can opening, I think.  And
if you want a copy of the results when I get 'em all, let me know that too
and I will send them along.
Thanks in advance.
Peace and blessings,
Cathy Norman
Youth Services Librarian
Fairport Harbor
Public Library (OH)
csn71650@hotmail.com

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From: Bill and Kristin Nichols <kerker@gate.net>
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: permission slips for overnight
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:59:14 CDT

A big thank you to all who sent copies of their overnight permission
slips to me.  We had our "Teen Read-a-thon" this past Friday with 28
attendees.  We broke up the reading with karaoke, charades, urban legend
storytelling, a late night tour of  the library, and of course food.  I
was told it was very successful, and once I catch up on my sleep I am
sure I will be as enthused by the outcome!

Kristin Nichols
Indian River County Main Library
knichols@indian-river.lib.fl.us

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From: Tina Cavanough <TCavanough@alicespringscouncil.nt.gov.au>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: Froggy etc.
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:07:54 CDT

You're all going to hate me, but the Australian version was:

Jingle Bells,
Batman smells,
Robin ran away,
Wonder Woman,
Flashed her bosom,
All on Christmas Day!

Tina Cavanough
Children's and Youth Services Technical Co-ordinator
Alice Springs Public Library
PO Box 1071
ALICE SPRINGS    0871
Northern Territory
Australia
Ph: 08-8950 0556
Fax: 08-8952 2402
Email: tcavanough@alicespringscouncil.nt.gov.au


> This is for Amy Stultz of Leesburg P.L..  We are of the same
> generation,and
> I just couldn't help myself...
> I believe the Batman rhyme goes something like this:
>
> Jingle Bells,
> Batman Smells,
> Robin laid an egg.
> The Batmobile
> Lost its wheel,
> And the Joker got away!
>

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From: Sushila Mertens <kidlit_2000@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Help With A Research Paper
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:16:03 CDT

 I have asked the same questions and would be very
interested in your final paper.
Planning and executing programs can be a big part of
time spent as a children's/teen librarian. We have
small turnouts no matter how good our children's
programs are or how much we advertize. I think it is
still worth doing for the group that comes and enjoys
the program. We had many of the same kids come to our
summer reading events. They will remember these
experieces and continue to support our libraries.

We had better luck giving free pizza and soda and CD
raffle tickets to teens. The numbers grew every week
as word of mouth spread.Some just came for the
freebies but once they were in the door they found out
all the cool stuff they could borrow or that they
could use the computers.
 
We are using teen read week activities to see if our
YA circulation goes up.
Friends of the Library raise money from donated book
sales and support our programs. We don't use tax
payers money.
Good luck. I hope this helps.

=====
Sushila Mertens kidlit_2000@yahoo.com

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From: Sherelle Harris <sherelle_npl@yahoo.com>
To: Pubyac <pubyac@prairienet.org>, Moon Goodnight
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:24:41 CDT

Hi All:

I've been reading of similar delimmas and would like
suggestions to this one.

Most of the groups I have worked with have been very
cooperative with the best interest of the kids in mind
and not any power struggles, as it seems some of yours
have been since you were able to reach satisfactory
goals.

What happens when dealing with a group that is very
demanding of your time, not caring that you have
others to serve not to mention projects to complete to
make sure the library has the books to support public
demands and school curriculum; also when you waive
fines for the group a lot of the time, but have to
deal with the attitude that you're unreasonable or
uncooperative, when you won't do it; also when you get
a group that would prefer to tell you how to run your
space, and not necessarily what is best for the
kids--they don't want library instruction or stories
and you barely know what they are working on so that
perhaps the visit can enhance curriculum.  I have
never encountered this as most of the groups I have
work with in the past have been anxious to make the
library a wonderful visit for the kids.

Any suggestions.



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Sherelle Harris
Children's Librarian
South Norwalk Branch Library
10 Washington St.
Norwalk, CT 06854
203 899-2795  Fax 203 899-2788

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From: Janette Johnston <jj@round-rock.tx.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: stumper- getting up for school and Chinese brothers
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:33:11 CDT

Oh great collective brain,
I have two stumpers I need help with. I have a patron who is looking for
material for a young child who is having trouble getting up in the morning
for school. She says he goes to bed early enough and gets enough sleep, and
has no trouble with being and staying in school once he gets there, but has
trouble getting up and getting going in the morning. The books we have on
starting school have more emphasis on what happens at school. I  checked A
to Zoo, Behavior-tardiness, but of the titles we have in our collection non
are quite right.  Any suggestions?

The second stumper involves one of those " I remember from 20 years ago..."
It was about some Chinese brothers who have adventures, not Five Chinese
brothers or a picture book. He remembers it as being a series of books about
the brothers, and it seemed sort of like folklore.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

Janette Johnston, Children's Services Manager
Round Rock Public Library System, Griffith Public Library
216 East Main Street, Round Rock, TX 78664
(512) 218-7002, FAX: (512)218-7061,  e-mail: jj@round-rock.tx.us
<mailto:jj@round-rock.tx.us>

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From: Aarene Storms <astorms@kcls.org>
To: schachtc@libcoop.net
Subject: RE: Personal Best
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:41:10 CDT


Well, actually, I like to tell a version of Ant and the Grasshopper in which
the Ant spends the winter huddled underground eating moldy grass and
berries,
the grasshopper moves south and starts his (or her) own record label to
support
a life of devotion to art.

Just a thought.  Perhaps Aesop wouldn't approve, but the artists in the
audience just might.

Chuck wrote <<snip>>
>Aside from  the fable about the ant and the grasshopper which shows how
>sluggards starve and deserve to do so, I'm not coming up with a whole lot.
<snap>>

Most of my life I've spent reading books and riding horses.
The rest, I've just wasted.
Aarene Storms     astorms@kcls.org
Richmond Beach and Kenmore Libraries
King County Library System

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From: "M. B. McCarthy" <marymc@lynx.sni.net>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Stumper: Giant and Boy
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:48:44 CDT

Crew-

Very sketching info from the patron for this one.  He's looking for a
picture book with a giant and boy who are friends -- apparently they spend
time "dancing around" together.  If anyone gets this one, I'll be amazed,
but thought I would try. Thanks,
: "M. B. McCarthy" <marymc@lynx.sni.net>

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From: "Judy Stewart" <stewartj@einetwork.net>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Stumper - Turkey
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:56:56 CDT

I am trying to remember a story about a turkey that is much like "There
Was an Old Woman Who Swallowed a Fly".  I have tried different
combinations and searches to no avail.  Can anyone remember a book like
that?  Thanks.

Judy STewart

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From: "Judy Stewart" <stewartj@einetwork.net>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Stumper - Scrabble YA book
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:04:52 CDT

Can anyone remember the title of a book, I think it is YA, about kids
playing scrabble and whatever is spelled out starts to come true? 

Thanks

Judy Stewart

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From: "Don Wood" <dwood@ala.org>
Subject: Confidentiality of Library Records
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:12:34 CDT


The Office for Intellectual Freedom has received an inquiry regarding a
possible rise in the number of requests from parents to see the reading
records of their teenagers.  We need to know whether anyone has experienced
an increase in the number of such requests.  Please respond with particulars
to me directly by Tuesday afternoon, October 17.

Thank you for your cooperation and time.



_________________________

Don Wood
Program Officer/Communications
American Library Association
Office for Intellectual Freedom
50 East Huron Street
Chicago, IL 60611
312-280-4225
800-545-2433, ext. 4225
Fax: 312-280-4227
dwood@ala.org
http://www.ala.org/alaorg/oif/index.html

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From: "Don Wood" <dwood@ala.org>
Subject: COPA Commission: Educate police, public on online dangers to
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:20:11 CDT

COPA Commission: Educate police, public on online dangers to kids
http://www.freedomforum.org/news/2000/10/2000-10-13-05.htm

"Rather than asking for strict new laws, the panel urges local and federal
officials to implement a sweeping education campaign -- both online and
through ibraries, community centers and schools -- to identify the possible
online dangers to children, encourage parents to monitor children's Internet
activity and promote new technologies that screen out objectionable
content."


_________________________

Don Wood
Program Officer/Communications
American Library Association
Office for Intellectual Freedom
50 East Huron Street
Chicago, IL 60611
312-280-4225
800-545-2433, ext. 4225
Fax: 312-280-4227
dwood@ala.org
http://www.ala.org/alaorg/oif/index.html

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From: Robin Shtulman <shtulman@erving.com>
To: lehs_bh@SWOCA.NET, lm_net list <LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>,
        Pubyac list <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: HIT:  Using Freemarc, LOC, & BCCLS (Directions)
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:28:06 CDT

What follow are the several sets of instructions I have received for
accessing Freemarc.  I have not yet tried them.  However, I can see from
more than one of the responses that my problem may be that I am using
internet explorer.

Thank you very much to Gayle, Jan, Connie,  & Pat.

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Bear in mind that Freemarc has recently changed its website format
somewhat. I'm going to give you the "old" method, which is basically still
true, just the terms have changed a little due to the format switch. I've
done a lot of paraphrasing below, since I'm home on my Mac, instead of at
work on my Windows machine. Use your common sense about what the dialogs
actually say, since the Win nomenclature isn't as engraved on my brain as
the Mac stuff is.

Pre-prep: I have a folder on my drive called MARC downloads to which I
direct any marc records, regardless of source. Makes them easier to select,
since they aren't mixed in with executable downloads or anything else.

I also have set up my file types to reflect Marc records. You need to go
into the Views menu and select Folder Options, or something like that, and
create a new file type for MARC records so that your browsers will know
what action to take with files that have a .mrc extension. You want the
action for this type of file to be Save to Disk. When you actually download
a record, you'll get a dialog that asks, in effect "what do you want to do
with this item?" Don't uncheck the box that says Ask every time. For some
reason, if you do, this won't work.

The actual process:
Go to Freemarc, search for your material by whatever search works best,
author, title, etc. Once you find the right one, click the link that says
that you want the MARC record. This should send it to what I call the
"waiting room." If you are downloading one or many records from Freemarc,
they don't automatically download, they go to a waiting area and wait for
you to specifically download them. When you've collected all the records
you want, you click the link to download. You should get a dialog box with
the option to rename this file and send it to whatever folder you want.
Freemarc always has some horrific name, like Temp479842978429847, so I just
rename it to the date, like 10-12.mrc and direct it to my MARC Downloads
folder.

In Winnebago, I select Import from the Materials menu, navigate to my MARC
Downloads folder, and select the file (in this example, 10-12.mrc) and say
import. You will get a dialog that asks if you want to overwrite the import
log, and yes, you do. At that point, it should import just fine - watch the
progress bar and read the dialog. It will tell you how many records were
imported and if some were not. You can then go into Edit and look them up
by title and fill in the "missing parts" such as the complete local call
number, price, etc.

On occasion, when downloading from Freemarc, you will get a browser window
where the Marc record will be shown as a long string of text across the top
line. If this happens, just do a Save As, name it, and save it as a .txt
file. It should still save and import just fine.

BCCLS is very similar, except each record downloads individually. I like
this because I can name each one something meaningful and track down
problems more easily if some don't import.

It's free.  It is the Bergan County Cooperative Library System (in New
Jersey, I think.) It is at:  http://www.bccls.org/
*********************************

When I have gone into LOC using Internet Explorer, I only have the choice of
getting the record in e-mail. If I use Netscape, I can get it as a MARC
record. Doesn't make any sense, but it worked for us. Hope it will for you.
********************

DIRECTIONS:

1.  Go to the Library of Congress Catalog (http://catalog.loc.gov/) and get
your information.

2.  There are four choices:  Brief record, Subjects/Content, Full Record,
Marc tags,  You will need to get the full record (I sometimes get a closely
matching record and edit it later).  When you get the full record, go to the
bottom of that screen.

3.  Click on the second option in the first box:  MARC (save only)

4.  Click on "Print or Save Search Results" (This is in brown letters)

   You will get one long solid line with funny looking symbols.

5.  Select this entire line and copy it.

6.  Open up Simpletext (you have to do a find for it) and paste the copied
record onto this.

7.  Go under the file menu to Save as.. and save this copied text to your
desktop.  I give it the exact title of the book. Suggestions for PC users
were Marc1, Marc2, etc. and I think this might help if you were going to
import numerous records.

8.  I then go into the program and import the records using the titles.
This part would depend upon the program you are using.  I assume all
programs have an import feature.

I keep these items in a folder since we have frequent troubles with our
Winnebago Spectrum system and I am always fearful that I will be doing these
records again.

Some editing is necessary.  The physical description is often incomplete.
Sometimes the tracings do not include the fiction subdivision (I think that
is what it is called--it has been many years since my cataloging classes).
I put the price on the record (sometimes it has this-but most times it
doesn't).  The call numbers need to be changed or modified.

Still it has saved me many hours of time.

An interesting note is that I have an iMac and I cannot do this using the
Internet Explorer browser.  I have to use Netscape Navigator.

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--
Robin Shtulman
Erving Elementary School
28 Northfield Rd.
Erving, MA  01344
http://www.erving.com/library/erving_library.htm
shtulman@erving.com

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