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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults
& Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children"
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Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 11:01 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 280
PUBYAC Digest 280
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: stumper: video about mother nature SOLVED
by "Ruhama J. Kordatzky" <rkordatz@burlington.lib.wi.us>
2) Stumper - Teen Book- Year of Janie's Diary?
by "Children's Reference" <childref@MtLaurel.Lib.NJ.US>
3) Re: picture books
by Susie Mcelfresh <susiemac89@yahoo.com>
4) Re: appropriate topics
by Lisa Whitley <lwhitley@MtLaurel.Lib.NJ.US>
5) RE: Appropriate picture books
by Kathy Kershner <kershnek@metronet.lib.mi.us>
6) RE: The Golden Compass and The Subtle Knife
by "Minkel, Walter (Cahners -NYC)" <WMinkel@cahners.com>
7) Re: Picture Books
by Charles Schacht <schachtc@libcoop.net>
8) Re: Picture Books
by karen maletz <kmlib@yahoo.com>
9) Study of Average Error Rates for Censorware Programs
by "Don Wood" <dwood@ala.org>
10) Re: The Golden Compass and The Subtle Knife
by "Heather Stout" <hstout@lewiston.com>
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From: "Ruhama J. Kordatzky" <rkordatz@burlington.lib.wi.us>
To: "'pubyac'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: stumper: video about mother nature SOLVED
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:21:49 CDT
Hi everyone--
Thanks for your patience (for waiting for the official answer) and all your
input! The video truly is "The Year Without Santa Claus," and my
friend
said she's glad to know it can be purchased on Amazon!
Thanks again!
:) ruhama
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> Hi everyone--
> A friend asked if I could try to find the title to this video, but so
> far I'm stumped! I don't have much to give you, but this is what she
> remembers: it's from the era of Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer with
> Burl Ives, and the three main characters are Mother Nature and her two
sons, who she thinks are named Heat and Cold.
> I've done some preliminary searching on the web at various video sites,
> but haven't come up with anything. If you know what this video is,
please email me (off the list).
>
> Thanks!
>
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From: "Children's Reference" <childref@MtLaurel.Lib.NJ.US>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Stumper - Teen Book- Year of Janie's Diary?
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:23:02 CDT
I received this stumper via email and can not find the book in our
library or in our interlibrary loan system. Does this book ring a bell
with anyone? If the title is correct could someone please send me the
ISBN - Thanks!
Please respond off list to me at lwhitley@mtlaurel.lib.nj.us
Thanks for your help!
Lisa Whitley
Young Adult Librarian
Dear Lisa,
Thanks for responding. I didn't include any other information because I
wasn't sure if I had that option. I will try to remember as much as I
can--It's been about 20 years since I read the book but it's still vivid
in my mind (probably because I read it more than 20 times!)
Non fiction teen
May have been out under a different title but I remember at least one
title being "The Year of Janie's Diary"--I know that the binding
changed
at some point. It is about a young teenage girl going into high school.
She encounters a few different situations. The two that I remember most
are: Getting to be friendly with older students--seniors, I think and
going to see the Kool or Krazy Kats (a band) and getting in a car wreck
and being hospitalized and not having any id on her and it being very
difficult to find her parents. The other one was that the annual
vacation (last 2 weeks of August) to the beach - with their family
friends - their son named Greg who she had an impossible crush on--and
she needed to be rescued out of the ocean by the lifeguard. She may have
also attended charm school somewhere in between. I believe it took place
in the late 60's mid 70's. I read it about 1980 and the book looked old
at that point. I don't remember the author but I"m pretty sure that
there were no other children's books by that author because I would have
wanted to read them. If I can think of anything else, I will let you
know. I hope that this helps you find the book!
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From: Susie Mcelfresh <susiemac89@yahoo.com>
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: picture books
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:24:24 CDT
I think that you deal with picture books the same as with anything else-
common sense. If a book seems to be more nonfiction than fiction it goes
in
the nonfiction. If it's a toddler book (lots of big pictures, very little
text) it goes to toddler books. If it seems to be a picture book, but has
tons and tons of text or a really mature theme, put it with the chapter
books. We also have a beginning reader nonfiction section, so if it
appears
to be appropriate for third grade reading level or under and seems to have a
lot of facts it goes here. We also have a beginning reader biography
section where we put picture book biographies. Our regular picture book
section is quite large, so most of the picture books go here. We also have
a beginning reader section, an easy chapter book section and a holiday
picture book section. We do put some of our "problem" picture
books in the
regular nonfiction section (books aimed at kids who are dealing with very
specific problems- diabet!
es, drugs, some of the dysfunctional family books, etc). We've also been
very lucky about not having problems with some of our more controversial
books- some of them are in the nonfiction (300's) with the other family
books, but no one has really gotten their garters in a knot over them (thank
heaven!).
Just my 2 cents.
Suzanne McElfresh
susiemac89@yahoo.com
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From: Lisa Whitley <lwhitley@MtLaurel.Lib.NJ.US>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: appropriate topics
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:25:35 CDT
As a lurker, I would usually reply directly to the person posting this
query
but I think this is something of discussion interest to the list.
First of all I think Smoky Night by Eve Bunting IS an appropriate picture
book
because it explains an event ( in an understandable manner) that shocked
the
nation and brought forth a discussion on race relations. Second, many
children
find security in a book. It helps them make sense out of events happening in
their lives or events they have seen on tv or newspapers. Many things that
our
children see and are aware of are very frightening and difficult to
understand.
As a mother and as a librarian, I am thankful to have meaningful tools to
talk
about hard issues and horrible events with my kids. Picture books can be
used
with a variety of ages - including teens. I totally discard the notion that
picture books have to have everything turns out ok in order to be an
"appropriate" book.
Lisa Whitley
Young Adult Librarian
Mount Laurel Library
Mount Laurel, NJ
> Hello, All
>
> Let's talk about appropriate topics for picture books. I am getting
ready
> to teach a Children's Lit course at a local college and ran across a
couple
> of books I really wonder about which reminded that there are others I have
> wondered about. Specifically I am talking about SMOKY NIGHT by Eve
Bunting
> and HIROSHIMA NO PIKA by Toshi Maruki. Picture books? How
popular have
> they been?
>
> Will really appreciate a discussion of this.
>
> Peggy
> Margaret "Peggy" Northcraft
> Children's Librarian
> Hannibal Free Public Library
> Hannibal MO
> "Librarians give safe harbor to the thoughts and dreams, knowledge and
> aspirations of humankind." Me
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From: Kathy Kershner <kershnek@metronet.lib.mi.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
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Subject: RE: Appropriate picture books
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:27:00 CDT
We put our more mature picture books in a collection called Illustrated
Fiction.
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"Today is a gift...That's why it's
called 'The Present' " --Ziggy
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Kathy Kershner 734-397-0999
Canton Public Library 734-397-1130 (fax)
1200 S. Canton Center Road kershnek@metronet.lib.mi.us
Canton, MI 48188-1600
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From: "Minkel, Walter (Cahners -NYC)" <WMinkel@cahners.com>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: The Golden Compass and The Subtle Knife
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:28:31 CDT
The audio versions of the Pullman books by Listening Library are very well
done & excellent in a literary sense, too; I recommend them highly. _But_
"His Dark Materials" does have an anti-organized religion theme
throughout.
Because they require a lot more effort & maturity than the Harry Potter
books to truly enjoy them, they'll never have HP's mass appeal, which is
good--if the religious right ever finds out about this series, (excuse me)
all hell will break loose. However, a lot of mature, thoughtful middle
schoolers (6th & up) do & will enjoy the series.
Tangetially--I want to put in a recommendation that all libraries _should_
have a YA audiobook collection, & here's why: middle school students with
reading & learning disabilities. In my previous jobs, I found that a lot of
students who were required to read novels (and I'll be open about it--I'm
talking 90% boys who have reading motivation problems, often tied in
w/reading or learning problems) were able to function much better if they
could read & listen to a novel at the same time. Once I publicized the fact
that we had these tapes to teachers & our adult ref staff, they circulated
very well in the places I used to work. --W
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Walter Minkel * Technology Editor, School Library Journal * www.slj.com
wminkel@cahners.com * (212) 463-6721 *
fax (212) 463-6689
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Kantner [SMTP:cmhjohn@netwalk.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:41 PM
> To: pubyac@prairienet.org
> Subject: The Golden Compass and The Subtle Knife
>
> I am a part time Childrens Librarian responsible for ordering all =
> juvenile audiobooks. Do you feel Phillip Pullman's first two books of
=
> his trilogy are appropriate for our collection. I know they =
> well-reviewed but I have conflicting information on what ages they are =
> appropriate for. We do not have a young adult audiobooks collection.
> Thanks for you input,
> Janie Kantner
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From: Charles Schacht <schachtc@libcoop.net>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Picture Books
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:29:54 CDT
As long as we're ruminating upon sensitive books, has anyone gotten into
difficulty with Babette Cole, specifically Dr. Dog? If you were raised to
be
essentially unoffendable, he's an absolute hoot, but quite a few parents
would I
think take pretty serious umbrage to the wise and kindly but very plain
spoken
canine physician. On the other hand if you want to make sure that kids don't
come down with intestinal parasites, he's deffinitely the doc to consulte.
?????
Chuck Schacht
Romeo district Library
Romeo, MI.
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From: karen maletz <kmlib@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Picture Books
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:32:00 CDT
Thanks for mentioning Smoky Night & Hiroshima No Pika,
2 extremely moving books which I just read for the 1st
time. We have Smoky Night in our Picture Books for
Older Readers section. Although other libraries in
Nassau County have it with the regular picture books
and their circ. is better than ours, I'm keeping it
where it is due to the serious subject matter. (It has
only gone out 12 times, much less than in the rest of
the county). Hiroshima has only gone out 5 times; I
am moving it to picture books for older readers which
is where most of our libraries have it. I think it is
lost in the World War 2 section. Maybe "picture
books" is a misnomer for books of this type. I feel
that there is a place for them in our collections, but
they certainly shouldn't be in the same section as
books about McDuff, Spot, Miss Bindergarten, the
Stupids, etc.
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From: "Don Wood" <dwood@ala.org>
Subject: Study of Average Error Rates for Censorware Programs
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:33:53 CDT
Study of Average Error Rates for Censorware Programs
http://www.peacefire.org/error-rates/
"Using "zone files" from Network Solutions (which list all .com
domains in
existence), we obtained a list of the first 1,000 active.com domains on the
Internet as of June 14, 2000. We tested this list of 1,000 domains using
five popular blocking programs: Cyber Patrol, SurfWatch, Bess, AOL Parental
Controls, and SafeServer, to see how many sites each program blocked as
"pornography", and of those sites, how many were actually
pornographic."
_________________________
Don Wood
Program Officer/Communications
American Library Association
Office for Intellectual Freedom
50 East Huron Street
Chicago, IL 60611
312-280-4225
800-545-2433, ext. 4225
Fax: 312-280-4227
dwood@ala.org
http://www.ala.org/alaorg/oif/index.html
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From: "Heather Stout" <hstout@lewiston.com>
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Subject: Re: The Golden Compass and The Subtle Knife
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:35:09 CDT
Pullman's books are certainly for higher level readers, but not only adults
or YA's. Many older elementary students who have read all the Redwall
series, or the Hobbit, or Harry Potter for that matter, are ready for
Pullman. The stories do have multiple characters, (very well developed, I
might add), excellent plots and descriptions...........perfect for those
kids who love fantasy. I recommended them to higher level readers when I
was a School Librarian at the Elementary level...................and these
former students and I, are still waiting patiently for the third novel!!!!
:) Heather
Heather Stout
Community / Youth Services Librarian
Lewiston City Library
428 Thain
Lewiston, ID 83501
(208) 743-6519
hstout@lewiston.com
----- Original Message -----
From: John Kantner <cmhjohn@netwalk.com>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:41 AM
Subject: The Golden Compass and The Subtle Knife
> I am a part time Childrens Librarian responsible for ordering all =
> juvenile audiobooks. Do you feel Phillip Pullman's first two books of
=
> his trilogy are appropriate for our collection. I know they =
> well-reviewed but I have conflicting information on what ages they are =
> appropriate for. We do not have a young adult audiobooks collection.
> Thanks for you input,
> Janie Kantner
>
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