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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:01 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 323


    PUBYAC Digest 323

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: You Know You're a Children's Librarian When...
by Diana Cook <dcook@rpl.regina.sk.ca>
  2) RE: You know you're a children's librarian when
by Andrew Finkbeiner <ANDREW@rockford.lib.il.us>
  3) Re: rudolf /reindeer
by BOGART Debra <dbogart@ci.springfield.or.us>
  4) RE: Stopfalling.com
by Carol Janoff <cjanoff@lib.ci.phoenix.az.us>
  5) Re: March Break Program
by Charles Schacht <schachtc@libcoop.net>
  6) Grinch ideas
by oneil <oneil@asbank.com>
  7) cable storytime programs
by Mary K Chelton <mchelton@pop.mail.rcn.net>
  8) Unattended children in the library
by "Elizabeth Lai" <elai@tpl.toronto.on.ca>
  9) Re: rudolf sandwhiches
by "Elizabeth McKay" <ebuono73@hotmail.com>
 10) Re: Word Processing
by Jennifer Baker <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
 11) Re: Question about teen poetry slams
by "Cindy Rider" <CRIDER@vigo.lib.in.us>
 12) Re: local cable stations
by Laurie Magee <magee@AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG>
 13) Re: You Might Be A Children's Librarian...
by "Karen Holz" <easternlibrary@smithville.net>
 14) Re: Literature Genre Definitions
by LKanaley@bcsd.org
 15) You Know You're a Children's Librarian When....
by LEVERNEM@spart.spt.lib.sc.us
 16) Discovery Girls
by "Marty Staton" <mstaton@ci.poquoson.va.us>
 17) Alligator Stumper
by Christine Neirink <cneirink@vlc.lib.mi.us>
 18) eganahpro stumper
by "A. Kastner" <alisonkastner@yahoo.com>
 19) Lewis H. Lapham to deliver Arthur Curley Memorial Lecture
by "Don Wood" <dwood@ala.org>
 20) James Madison Award Nominations Sought
by "Don Wood" <dwood@ala.org>

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From: Diana Cook <dcook@rpl.regina.sk.ca>
To: Farida Shapiro <fshapiro@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: You Know You're a Children's Librarian When...
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:31:02 CST

I know what you mean, my storytime dog puppet has taken on such a life of
his own I have to remind myself that he is not real.  I would like to
replace him because he really belongs to my kids and he is getting worn,
but I have trouble because his "personality" is completely linked to my
storytimes (probably not to the kids, but in my head!) Does anyone know of
a source or website for "country critters inc." of Burlington KS? He is a
very realistic looking pup who does not speak but has 4 legs and a tail; I
manipulate his head and "arms".  I would like another similar animal, any
good Canadian sources? Please email directly to me
at:dcook@rpl.regina.sk.ca  Thanks!
Diana Cook

On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Farida Shapiro wrote:

>
> You are taken aback when adults in your storytimes refer to your monkey
> puppet as a "toy."
>
>
> Farida S. T. Shapiro
> Children's Librarian
>
> Bellevue Regional Library
> 1111 110th Ave. NE
> Bellevue, Washington 98004
>

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From: Andrew Finkbeiner <ANDREW@rockford.lib.il.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
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You know you're a children's librarian when you steel your nerves in
anticipation that every child under 3 will leave crying since a low pressure
weather system just moved in.  (If they aren't crying when they get here,
they'll be crying when they leave...happens every time!)

Andrew Finkbeiner
Rockford (IL) Public Library
andrew@rockford.lib.il.us

Visit our website at http://www.rpl.rockford.org

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From: BOGART Debra <dbogart@ci.springfield.or.us>
To: beff66@yahoo.com, pubyac@prairienet.org,
        HAROLD Judy
Subject: Re: rudolf /reindeer
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Thanks to all of you who earlier posted the idea for Reindeer Pokey. We did
it
at storytime this morning, none of the kids knew the Hokey Pokey, but their
parents all did, so I asked all the parents to get up (the kids and I were
already up) and do it with us. We had many first time parents present today,
but they graciously got up and did it with us, many of them giggling
hysterically the entire song! Of course, I'm hoping we didn't scare any of
them out of coming back...

Debra Bogart, M.L.S.
Youth Services
Springfield Public Library
Springfield, OR

>>> Mae Beth Irvin 12/13/00 02:36PM >>>
  Dear Pubyacers,
 Here is a treat you or the kids can make to go with a
reindeer storytime.
  You can make Rudolf sandwiches. Cut a piece of bread
in half. Have the triangle  with tip down. Cover bread
with peanut butter. Then use 2 raisins for the eyes.
Put a cherry at the bottom for Rudolph's red nose. Use
pretzel sticks at the top for the antlers of the
reindeer. Enjoy

Mae Beth Irvin




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From: Carol Janoff <cjanoff@lib.ci.phoenix.az.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: Stopfalling.com
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:45:44 CST

I agree.  They were just at our Arizona LIbrary Assn conference.  I got
the sweatshirt with "LIBRARIAN" spelled out in books, etc. (with the Dewey
Decimal sections on them).  Very nice. I have a catalog with their 800
number if anyone needs it (it is at home).

Carol Janoff                      cjanoff@lib.ci.phoenix.az.us
Librarian I
Mesquite Branch Library
Phoenix, AZ                  

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Julie Darnall wrote:

> They were at Penn Library Assoc this year and they have great stuff!  My
> coworkers and I all bought the denim shirt with the kids reading books on
> the front.
>
> Julie Darnall
> Chester County Library

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From: Charles Schacht <schachtc@libcoop.net>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: March Break Program
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Is it just me or does anyone else think that a case could be made for not
encouraging school age children to become adolescents as soon as possible?
Rock and roll is by it's very nature the music of adolescent rebelllion,
very frequently with sexual content/overtones, and to encourage children to
disdain what has traditionally been the music of childhood in favor of it
strikes me as doing a disservice to both children and teenagers, who ought
to be left in possession of it.  I know, I know, 9 year old girls all over
the country have their bellybuttons on display because they want to be like
Brittany Speares, but I would just as soon not be a part of encouraging the
folks who are seeking to make lots of bucks by robbing our children of their
childhoods, especially when there's so much good kid's music out there that
sends the messages we WANT to send.  Hoo boy, do I sound like a curmudgeon.
And really, I DO like a lot of  rock and roll, for the right audience at the
right time. But lets think about the implications of what we do, OK?

Chuck Schacht
Romeo District Library
Romeo, MI.


Lisa Hunziger wrote:

> Hello.  Our library always offers programs to school-aged children based
> on a certain theme during March Break.  This year our theme is "rock and
> roll".  We are looking for program ideas, decorating ideas, absolutely
> anything that would apply.
> If you could email me your ideas directly, I would appreciate it.  And
> this is a different request than that of the rock and roll storytime
> request which was posted earlier.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Lisa Hunziger

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From: oneil <oneil@asbank.com>
To: Diana Hollingsworth <dhollingsworth@htls.lib.il.us>,
        PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children
 <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Grinch ideas
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Dear Diana and Pubyac,
If you get any grinch ideas, especially about bingo or some other game,
please forward them to me.I also need a good idea for something for the
children to write about after they listen to the story of the Grinch. I
am having a Grinch party for an afterschool tutoring group in a week. I
think I will use the reindeer idea- bread triangles with peanut butter
and pretzles for antlers for a neat snack.

Thanks,
Sally O'Neil
oneil@asbank.com

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From: Mary K Chelton <mchelton@pop.mail.rcn.net>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: cable storytime programs
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:54:57 CST

The big barrier to cable storytimes in my experience is copyrighted
words and illustrations. You can't just have them come and tape and
then rebroadcast what you do normally because it becomes a copyright
violation, often of several copyrights.  When I worked ages ago in
Va. Beach, I identified all the picture books in current storytime
use, send request for taping (for free) letters on the same day,
tracked the responses, and discovered that I could get permission for
about 80% of the titles for one-time free use in about six-months
turnaround time. The publisher has to forward your letter to the
copyright holder who has to respond, etc.  One foreign publisher
asked for $500 to do one book, and one author asked for $25. I wrote
it up as part of a larger article in "Evaluation of Children's
Services." Library Trends, (Winter, 1987): 463-484.

I'm always interested in how utterly ignorant city and county-run
cable stations are about copyright.

Mary K. Chelton
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From: "Elizabeth Lai" <elai@tpl.toronto.on.ca>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Unattended children in the library
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:58:00 CST

The Toronto Public library would like information from other systems about
how they deal with unattended children in the Library.   Does your library
have policies covering this or mention it in any mission statements?
Thank-you  EL

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From: "Elizabeth McKay" <ebuono73@hotmail.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: rudolf sandwhiches
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:01:20 CST

Hi everyone!

The posting about rudolph sandwiches made me think of another easy christmas
idea--reindeer food!  You just put a scoop of oatmeal with some glitter in a
plastic ziploc baggie, and tell the kids to sprinkle some in the yard on
Christmas eve so the reindeers can have a snack.  You can even get fancy
christmas ziploc bags at this time of year.


Elizabeth McKay
Children's Librarian
The Ferguson Library
1 Public Library Plaza
Stamford, CT 06904
<elizabeth@fergusonlibrary.org>

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From: Jennifer Baker <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Word Processing
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:04:09 CST

Well, you asked all the right questions but the
problem is I don't think any library has come up with
the right answers yet.
Yes, it will take up extra staff time and if you can
get extra staff approved--great! If like most
libraries, you can't, make sure that you are very
clear with patrons that you are not there to help them
format their resumes, and then be prepared anyway
since they won't listen to you.
As far as the security issue, there are a few software
programs that are pretty easy to use that will most
prevent patrons from accessing the harddrive, but then
there are always the teenage hackers--"Fortress" is
the one I'm most familiar with and it's pretty good.
We don't allow patrons to use their own disks unless
they are scanned first for viruses...this can also be
an opportunity to check for how their files are
formatted.
Time-limit is a big issue since it takes most people
more than 30 minutes to complete a paper/resume. I
would suggest that you change that limit to an hour.
Since you already have designated terminals for Word
processing it wouldn't interfer with any policy you
have for time limits on Internet.
As to the benefits...well, you've already stated the
obvious but my question to all libraries is "where
does this fit into our mission/purpose?" Even when it
comes to Internet access we all know that 99% of the
people using it aren't doing research they are playing
in chat rooms, hotmail, games, ebay & trading stocks.
A friend of mine made a good point by saying: when
telephones were new, libraries didn't line up 20
phones for the public to come in and make free long
distance calls just because 'they don't have access at
home.'Well, the damage is already done, "everybody's
doing it" and now people expect it (you know they old
"well, in my library back home...") so make the best
of it if you can.
Just remember you can only do so much. Adding computer
services requires A LOT of patience. So don't give
yourself an ulcer over it.

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From: "Cindy Rider" <CRIDER@vigo.lib.in.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Question about teen poetry slams
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:06:56 CST

I've been reading about  open mic nights, "poetry slams," etc., and the
ideas sound great!  But I was wondering why they are called "slams?"



Cindy Rider
Young Peoples Dept.
Vigo Co. Public Library
Terre Haute, IN
crider@vigo.lib.in.us      http://www.vigo.lib.in.us

Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.

"In real life, of course, it is the hare who wins. Every time.  Look around
you.  And in any
case, it is my contention that  Aesop was writing for the tortoise
market." - Anita Brookner


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From: Laurie Magee <magee@AXP.WINNEFOX.ORG>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: local cable stations
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I think there might be copyright issues depending on the stories that
you use.  Laurie

Connie Vandervort wrote:
>
> Our local cable station would like us to do programming. I am
> considering a short storytime and possibly some book talks for the older
> readers. It would be wonderful to hear from anyone out there who is
> doing similar programming. What have been the pitfalls, the successes
> and what type and length of programs are you offering.
>
> In the meantime, Happy Holidays to all of you and thanks in advance for
> any input you can give me.
>
> Connie Vandervort
> cvandervort@mail.hillsml.lib.nh.us
> Hills Memorial Library
> Hudson, NH

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From: "Karen Holz" <easternlibrary@smithville.net>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: You Might Be A Children's Librarian...
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:13:21 CST


You know your a children's librarian when you don't give your nieces and
nephews books for Christmas, birthdays, etc. and they ask you if your sick.

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From: LKanaley@bcsd.org
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Literature Genre Definitions
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:16:13 CST


see Rebecca Lukens A CRITICAL HANDBOOK OF CHILDREN'S LITERATURE, Scott
Foresman for definitions of genres

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From: LEVERNEM@spart.spt.lib.sc.us
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: You Know You're a Children's Librarian When....
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:19:05 CST

You wear a Santa's hat everyday during the month of December.

-
Leverne McBeth, Branch Assistant
Tri-Pacolet Branch
390 W. Main St.              (864) 474-0421
Pacolet, SC 29372            Levernem@spart.spt.lib.sc.us
"Any opinions expressed are those of the individual
and may not reflect the opinions or policies of the Spartanburg
County Public Library."

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From: "Marty Staton" <mstaton@ci.poquoson.va.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Discovery Girls
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:22:08 CST

Does anyone get the new magazine Discovery Girls (8-12 year olds) ??
What do you think about it?

Marty Staton
Poquoson Public Library
mstaton@ci.poquoson.va.us

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From: Christine Neirink <cneirink@vlc.lib.mi.us>
To: "PUBYAC\\: PUBlic librarians servi" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Alligator Stumper
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:25:09 CST

A patron stumper --

Picture book - probably from the 1970s - in which a young boy from New
York City gets a pet alligator.  He find himself unable to take care of
his new pet, so he flushes the gator down the toilet.  The rest of the
book relates the alligator's adventures in the sewer system of New York.

We've checked A to Zoo, our shared catalog, The Young Reader's Companion,
Amazon ...

Does this ring any bells?

Thanks!

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From: "A. Kastner" <alisonkastner@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: eganahpro stumper
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:27:59 CST

If you know that eganahpro is orphange spelled
backwards, maybe you already know the answer to this
stumper. A patron is looking for a book from the late
50's, early 60's about 2 children who live in an
orphanage and call it the eganahpro because that is
the way they see the letters on the wrought iron fence
from the inside. They are hoping to look for their
father who is maybe a sailor, and they are also
looking for a rare shell or something like that. They
break out of the orphanage and eventually find both.
Any ideas would be very much appreciated.
thanks!

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From: "Don Wood" <dwood@ala.org>
Subject: Lewis H. Lapham to deliver Arthur Curley Memorial Lecture
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Lewis H. Lapham to deliver Arthur Curley Memorial Lecture

Author and Harper's Magazine editor Lewis H. Lapham will present the second
Arthur Curley Memorial Lecture entitled, "The Public Library as the Ark of
Liberty." The event takes place at 3 p.m. in the Washington Convention
Center, Room 30, on Saturday, January 13, during the American Library
Association Midwinter Meeting in Washington, D.C.

See also

Lecture established in honor of Arthur Curley
http://www.ala.org/news/archives/v5n3/arthurcurley.html





_________________________

Don Wood
Program Officer/Communications
American Library Association
Office for Intellectual Freedom
50 East Huron Street
Chicago, IL 60611
312-280-4225
800-545-2433, ext. 4225
Fax: 312-280-4227
dwood@ala.org
http://www.ala.org/alaorg/oif/index.html

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From: "Don Wood" <dwood@ala.org>
Subject: James Madison Award Nominations Sought
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ALAWON: American Library Association Washington Office Newsline
Volume 9, Number 97
December 14, 2000

In this issue:
    James Madison Award Nominations Sought

Freedom of Information Day (FOI Day) on Friday, March 16, 2001,
celebrates the 250th Anniversary of James Madison's birth.  To mark this
important day, the Freedom Forum, in conjunction with ALA, will be
granting the 12th annual James Madison Award.  This Award honors those
who have championed, protected, and promoted the public's right to know.

We welcome your nominations for the recipient(s) of the 2001 James
Madison Award.  Please send nominations to Peter Kaplan at the ALA
Washington Office at 1301 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Suite 403, Washington,
DC 20004. Or fax your nomination to (202) 628-8419.  The deadline for
nominations is Wednesday, January 10, 2001. Please include a statement
describing why your nominee qualifies for the award.

Recent Madison Award winners include:

2000 Larry Irving, former Assistant Secretary of Commerce

1999    Board members and congressional sponsors of the President John F.
Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board including former Senator
John Glenn and Representatives Dan Burton, Henry Waxman, and Louis
Stokes and Board members:  Honorable John R. Tunheim (chair), Henry
F. Graff, Kermit L. Hall, William L. Joyce and Anna Kasten Nelson

1998    Ben Bagdikian, journalist; Wayne P. Kelley, former Superintendent
of Documents of the Government Printing Office; Eliot Christian and
the U.S. Geological Survey, National Library of Medicine

1997    Philanthropist and financier George Soros

1996    The National Information Infrastructure Advisory Council

1995 The Government Printing Office, the State of Maryland's Sailor
Project, the Seattle (WA) Public Library, and the Internet
Multicasting Service's Town Hall Project.

1994 Secretary of Energy Hazel O'Leary and former ALA Washington Office
Director Eileen D. Cooke.

Please keep your calendar open for March 16, 2001 for the Freedom of
Information Day celebration. More details on the event will follow.
Thank you in advance for your participation- we look forward to seeing
you!




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