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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults
& Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children"
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Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 11:01 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 331
PUBYAC Digest 331
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) What happened to KIDSTUFF?
by Toni Reese <treese@monarch.papillion.ne.us>
2) Re: survey: librarian pay rates by specialty: urgent, thanks!
by Jennifer Murphy <murphyj@uhls.lib.ny.us>
3) Re: survey: librarian pay rates by specialty: urgent, thanks!
by "Linette Ivanovitch" <linette@missoula.lib.mt.us>
4) Re: Vonnegut and not mouse balls or Alaskan careers
by Charles Schacht <schachtc@libcoop.net>
5) Re: Rock n Roll Storytimes
by Charles Schacht <schachtc@libcoop.net>
6) Re: survey: librarian pay rates by specialty: urgent, thanks!
by "S. Fichtelberg" <sfichtel@infolink.org>
7) Re: Sailor Moon
by "Melanie C. Duncan" <duncanm@mail.bibb.public.lib.ga.us>
8) Help me with Geography- Please
by Jacob Harris <jacobh@mail.orion.org>
9) Any School-aged Program Ideas for Rock N' Roll Theme?
by piresm@hhpl.on.ca (Mary Pires)
10) Typewriters and "Click, Clack, Moo"
by Ann-Marie Biden <ambiden@nancy.ci.san-marino.ca.us>
11) Myrtle the Turtle
by Toni Reese <treese@monarch.papillion.ne.us>
12) Re: SLJ's Best Books 2000
by "S. Fichtelberg" <sfichtel@infolink.org>
13) Tying Shoes, left handed.
by Amy Blake <ablake@kcpl.lib.in.us>
14) Thank You!
by L larsen <llarsen64@yahoo.com>
15) re: Stumper:bear, glass, christmas lights
by Amy Blake <ablake@kcpl.lib.in.us>
16) CONGRESS QUIETLY CENSORS THE WEB
by "Don Wood" <dwood@ala.org>
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From: Toni Reese <treese@monarch.papillion.ne.us>
To: pubyac <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: What happened to KIDSTUFF?
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:30:27 CST
Is the publication Kidstuff still in print?
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From: Jennifer Murphy <murphyj@uhls.lib.ny.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: survey: librarian pay rates by specialty: urgent, thanks!
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:38:47 CST
Deirdre,
I am hoping that your administration is not proposing different pay scales
for
librarians who happen to specialize in different areas! I mean, you each
have
an MLS, right? Here we have Librarian I & II, II being a department
head,
and
thus paid more. The only other differences in pay have to do with
longevity.
New hires are paid less than people who have been here a long time, but all
the
same no matter whether a children's librarian, or reference, or reader's
services, branch pr main library. The same concept holds true for Library
assistants and Clerks. It doesn't matter which department you work in,
just
your job classification. Standard procedure, I should think.
Of course, as a children's librarian, I tend to think I work pretty
hard....!!!
:)
-Jendy Murphy
Albany (NY) Public Library
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From: "Linette Ivanovitch" <linette@missoula.lib.mt.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: survey: librarian pay rates by specialty: urgent, thanks!
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:41:06 CST
http://www.libraryjournal.com/placements/
I was wrong about American Libraries cite. Actually, I was thinking
of Library Journal, and here is the current year's article!
Linette
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From: Charles Schacht <schachtc@libcoop.net>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Vonnegut and not mouse balls or Alaskan careers
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:43:59 CST
Emily.Lloyd@co.fairfax.va.us
wrote:
Of course it's fine to feel this way personally (I think it may even be the
unofficial slogan of the new administration), but we're in public service
and
must never forget that huge numbers of our patrons (and our colleagues)
desperately need progress to go on a little longer (like, say, forever).
Ah,Em - but what about the multitude who are very greatful to us (and who
still
bring their kids/grandkids to our programs) because we have, in addition to
changing when it would improve things, held fast to the traditions,
approaches
etc. that caused them to fall in love with the library decades ago?
We
can't
be the Mayberry Public Library, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be
anything like it; the patrons made uneasy by change deserve our support
every
bit as much as the patrons who can't charge ahead fast enough, no? Chuck
> If
> caring about your patrons' concerns, lives, and needs doesn't come
> naturally, you can always remember this Vonnegut quote, one of my
favorites
> for weary days:
>
> "We do, doodley do, doodley do, doodley do
> what we must, muddily must, muddily must, muddily must--
> muddily do, muddily do, muddily do, muddily do,
> until we bust, bodily bust, bodily bust, bodily bust."
>
> This is a quote, I think, for folks who don't enjoy their jobs as much as
I
> do (although I do admit those weary days). But I suppose it is better
to
> address the concerns and interests of one's patrons--ALL of one's
> patrons--muddily than not at all. It is, after all, our job.
>
> I'll close with my favorite Vonnegut: "Like so many Americans, she was
> trying to construct a life that made sense from things she found in gift
> shops," or, for those who prefer, "Like so many children's
librarians,
s/he
> was trying to construct a program that made sense from things s/he found
in
> dollar stores."
>
> best & warm holiday wishes,
> em
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From: Charles Schacht <schachtc@libcoop.net>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Rock n Roll Storytimes
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:46:15 CST
Chuck responds - An interesting insight, cogently stated, Cathy. Thanks
for
sharing it. Would your opinion be the same if the music in question (to
which
lyrics with some sort of library theme had been added) were of the seriously
Heavy Metal/Goth variety ie KORN , WHITE ZOMBIE etc? I raise the
possibility
that some sorts of pop music are indeed cheerful/energetic and quite useable
with young audiences, other kinds are intended to offend adults, and that if
we try to act as though they please us, we wind up looking pretty silly/sad.
That said, Sister Act is indeed a lot of fun and the music is quite
contagious
- nun can deny that ;>) .
Cathy Norman wrote:
> I was not going to contribute to the discussion regarding rock 'n roll =
> storytimes but ... I was watching SISTER ACT (i am a Whoopi FAN and =
> watch all of her movies just as I re-read favorite books - over and =
> over) the other evening and was reminded that all of those songs were =
> "sex/love" songs the context of which was changed and they have
become =
> something else. What brought those kids into church, Chuck? It
was a =
> rhythm and beat that attracted them, it was the message that kept them.
=
>
> Certainly libraries are not churches, however....Are our children =
> growing up too fast? Absolutely. But the problem is not story
hours. =
> It is children who do not attend story hours, but rather get their =
> language & comfort & imagination (to name just a few things) from a
=
> video screen rather than a book with pages that feel wonderful and make =
> great noises when you turn them and smell like a million loving hands. =20
> Our job is to change the context, attract them to the magic and joy that =
> is the written word and preserve their chilhood just a little longer, =
> anyway we can.
> My two cents.
> Peace and blessings,
> Cathy Norman
> Youth Services Librarian
> Fairport Harbor Public Library
> 335 Vine St. Fairport Harbor, OH 44077
> csn71650@hotmail.com
> 440-354-8191
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From: "S. Fichtelberg" <sfichtel@infolink.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: survey: librarian pay rates by specialty: urgent, thanks!
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:48:55 CST
Deirdre,
I have to say the idea of paying librarians a different salary based on
specialty sounds very strange to me. Our salary differences are based on
the level of experience and responsibility in the job title, not the
specialty. We're a Civil Service library to so the titles are determined
by
the State. There is a 6% increase between each title. Starting with
the
lowest paid professional position, they are:
Librarian (formerly Junior Librarian)
Senior Librarian
Principal Librarian
Supervising Librarian
Assistant Director
Director
A librarian with any specialty can hold any of these titles, although it is
true that there are few Principal and Supervising Librarian slots for those
in youth services.
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From: "Melanie C. Duncan" <duncanm@mail.bibb.public.lib.ga.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Sailor Moon
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:51:08 CST
>I bought some Sailor Moon books because one of my patrons requested them. I
>told her I'd buy more if there seemed to be a demand. Well, they do seem to
>be going out, but now I'm in a quandary. After only 5-7 circs or so, the
>books are literally falling apart. The pages are falling out, and the books
>aren't repairable. Is anyone else having this problem? I hate to buy more
>if they don't hold up to normal use.
If your cataloging department has one of those large staplers that can
punch through an inch or so of paper, you might want to consider stapling
the spine to get it to hold together longer.
Sincerely,
Melanie C. Duncan, M.S.L.S.
Christian Fiction columnist, Library Journal
Editor/Publisher, The Bookdragon Review (ISSN 1527-0157)
http://www.bookdragonreview.com
All opinions expressed are my own.
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From: Jacob Harris <jacobh@mail.orion.org>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Help me with Geography- Please
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:53:58 CST
Hello All,
I'm sure someone out there has done a geography program for kids. If
any of you have info. about great geography web sites, games, or other
interesting resources (other than an atlas) please e-mail them to me.
I've found a few games from Kidsdomain.com. The age is 3yrs - 6th
grade.
Thanks in advance.
Jacob
Jacobh@mail.orion.org
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From: piresm@hhpl.on.ca (Mary Pires)
To: PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children
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Subject: Any School-aged Program Ideas for Rock N' Roll Theme?
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:56:39 CST
As an aside to the on-going Soap-box discussion;
a couple of weeks ago someone requested suggestions for program ideas
for a March Break program.
We, too are looking for ideas that would tie into a "Reader's Rock"
type
of theme but could use some help getting creative juices flowing. We
are planning a 50's type rock n' roll program: juke box, poodle skirts
and bobby socks, greased hair ... and would like some fun activities for
our school-age kids to enjoy.
Thanks, in advance.
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From: Ann-Marie Biden <ambiden@nancy.ci.san-marino.ca.us>
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: Typewriters and "Click, Clack, Moo"
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:59:43 CST
After reading Linette's posting regarding the child who asked what a
typewriter was...I did a cow storytime this past Fall and used Click,
Clack, Moo for the final story. After the final song, I told them I brought
a special treat to share then I uncovered my grandfather's old Royal
upright...They were amazed and had a ball clacking the keys. Those old
things are indestructable... Of course I and several parents had to explain
just what this old thing was! It was a lot of fun...Ann-Marie
Ann-Marie Biden, Youth Services Librarian
San Marino Public Library
1890 Huntington Dr.
San Marino, CA 91108
tel (626) 300-0776 fax (626)284-0766
ambiden@ci.san-marino.ca.us
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From: Toni Reese <treese@monarch.papillion.ne.us>
To: StoryTell <STORYTELL@venus.twu.edu>,
pubyac <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Myrtle the Turtle
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:02:45 CST
Years ago I used to tell a story with the help of my turtle puppet
entitled "Myrtle the Turtle." I told it around St. Patrick's
day. It
had something to do with a leprechaun who granted a wish for Myrtle and
she ended up with wings. Sounds strange, I know, and maybe I've got the
story a little mixed up. It's been at least a decade since I told it.
The kids loved it, and I loved telling it.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Toni
Toni Reese
Youth Services Librarian
Sump Memorial Library
Papillion, Nebraska
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From: "S. Fichtelberg" <sfichtel@infolink.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: SLJ's Best Books 2000
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:05:03 CST
Rob,
Wow! That's impressive.
I would be very interested in knowing what makes the best of the best list
you compile.
Just out of curiosity, do you know which are the Newbery and Caldecott
Winners which haven't made the best books lists?
I remember hear once, that once the winners are chosen, the committee chairs
let the notable committee know so the winners will always be on the Notable
Books list, but, I don't know if that's true.
Susan
sfichtel@infolink.org
Woodbridge Public Library
Woodbridge, NJ
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From: Amy Blake <ablake@kcpl.lib.in.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Tying Shoes, left handed.
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:07:17 CST
I have a patron/mother looking for assistance in teaching her left-handed
kindergarter to tye his shoes. She has borrowed some of out books,
including
a book that allows the child to practice, but it is for the right handed
person. If you have any suggestions or sources to make this easier please
e-mail me direct. Thank you and Happy New Year!
Amy Blake
Knox County Public Library
Vincennes, IN
ablake@kcpl.lib.in
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From: L larsen <llarsen64@yahoo.com>
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: Thank You!
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:10:53 CST
Thanks to all who responded so quickly to my stumper.
The patron agrees that the book is "The Teddy Bear
Habit" by James Lincoln Collier, and I have ILLed the
book for him!
Laura Larsen
Wethersfield Library
Wethersfield, CT
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From: Amy Blake <ablake@kcpl.lib.in.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: re: Stumper:bear, glass, christmas lights
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:12:58 CST
Thanks to Susan Harding who gave me some more clues to find this book.
I've sent the information to the patron and am waiting to see if this
rings any bells for her. Thank you!
Amy Blake
ablake@kcpl.lib.in.us
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From: "Don Wood" <dwood@ala.org>
Subject: CONGRESS QUIETLY CENSORS THE WEB
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CONGRESS QUIETLY CENSORS THE WEB
http://chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/article/0,2669,SAV-0012230091,FF.html
"Requiring schools and libraries to filter student access to the Internet
would be anathema to freedom of speech even if the technology existed to do
it precisely and perfectly. But, of course, it doesn't. There are all sorts
of problems with filtering technologies--primarily separating out the truly
"offensive" from informative research on, say, reproductive health
issues."
_________
Don Wood
Program Officer/Communications
American Library Association
Office for Intellectual Freedom
50 East Huron Street
Chicago, IL 60611
1-800-545-2433, ext. 4225
Fax: 312-280-4227
dwood@ala.org
http://www.ala.org/alaorg/oif/index.html
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