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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:01 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 356


    PUBYAC Digest 356

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) 3rd grade and 4th grade boy scout visits
by "Elaine Moustakas" <elainem9@hotmail.com>
  2) Re: Wilderness program for YAs
by Jennifer Baker <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
  3) Re: Automated Summer Reading Club
by nadine <booklover32@yahoo.com>
  4) Re: "Day you were born" revisited
by Barb Tack <tackba@oplin.lib.oh.us>
  5) Re: Inflatable novelties
by "Linda Peterson" <lpeterson@bloomfield.lib.in.us>
  6) Re: Average Cost of Children's Materials
by "Rebecca S. Heindl" <heindlre@metronet.lib.mi.us>
  7) RE: Wilderness program for YAs
by Maureen Ambrosino <mambrosino@fortbend.lib.tx.us>
  8) Teen LAN party
by Rebecca Van Dan <rvandan@scls.lib.wi.us>
  9) RE: book return ideas
by "Chapman, Jan" <jchapman@ascpl.lib.oh.us>
 10) Core Juvenile Fiction Lists
by "Elaine Moustakas" <elainem9@hotmail.com>
 11) Re: getting patrons to public story time
by Paulalef@aol.com
 12) welcome songs
by "Connie Vandervort" <cvandervort@mail.hillsml.lib.nh.us>
 13) birthday sites
by Jeaneal Weeks <jeaneal@crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.us>
 14) Recommended children's web sites
by Nancy Yetman <holnye@lakeland.lib.mi.us>
 15) Coll. Dev. Formulas
by Andrew Finkbeiner <ANDREW@rockford.lib.il.us>
 16) SRP database
by Carol Chatfield <cchatfield@myriad.middlebury.edu>
 17) Colorado job opening
by "Phyllis Larison" <bemislib@earthlink.net>
 18) appeal to memory
by Pat Lanyi <lanyip@pls.lib.ca.us>
 19) Stumper: 194? Poetry Anthology
by caes@pacificrim.net
 20) help for children's loss/death reading list
by Lilredwgon@aol.com
 21) Re: stumper solved--WWII/nuns/children hiding
by "Eva Davis" <lunchgroup@hotmail.com>
 22) Stumper
by "Mary Ferris(Canandaigua)" <mferris@pls-net.org>

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From: "Elaine Moustakas" <elainem9@hotmail.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: 3rd grade and 4th grade boy scout visits
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:17:07 CST

Dear Pubyac...

In the next month, I will be having visits from two boy scout troops...one
3rd grade and one 4th grade troop.  So far, I've done mostly tours and
visits for preschools and kindergarteners and I need your advice on these
older groups, who are both visiting the library as part of their "community"
badge.

The 3rd grade troop would like a tour of both the children's and adult
sections of the library and then they need to learn how to find the NJ state
bird (our state).

The 4th grade troop needs to learn some of how books are organized,  (dewey
decimal system) and processed.

This all sounds easy to do and it is, but I want to make their trip
exciting!  Each group will be with me only about 20 minutes or so, so the
activities need to be short, but I want them to learn and have fun.  Have
any of you done these particular activities...do you have any suggestions
for how to make it more exciting??  Also, any suggestions to a little
"packet" of sorts to give them as a token for visiting other than the usual
bookmark or pencil idea?

I'd truly appreciate anyone who would take the time out to respond to this
query.  I am open to any suggestions you have and if there is interest, I
would be happy to post the replies I receive.  Please send your replies to
elainem9@hotmail.com

Thank you so much.
Elaine
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From: Jennifer Baker <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Wilderness program for YAs
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:17:55 CST

I haven't done it but I think it's a great idea...you
can really promote it by tying into all the "Survivor"
hype.
On the premiere show last night (yes, I'll admit I
watched it) one of the contestants mentioned several
times that she had read several books on "how to build
fires" etc. before she went to the outback.
Sadly, she was the first to get the boot--but I didn't
like her anyway. :)

--- steven engelfried <stevene@dpls.lib.or.us> wrote:
> We're having an instructor from a local wilderness
> school do a one hour
> program about basic wilderness skills.  The program
> is all set up and
> scheduled, but I would like to know if any other
> libraries have done a
> wilderness program for Middle School/High School
> ages.  I'd like to be able
> to demonstrate that this topic is one that appeals
> to the age group and that
> it's appropriate for a public library setting.  Any
> real examples would be
> very helpful, even if it's just "yes our library has
> done a program like
> that."  Thanks...
>
> - Steven Engelfried,  Young Adult Librarian
>   Deschutes Public Library System
>   545 NW Wall Street     Bend, OR  97701
>   ph: 541-617-7072    fax: 541-389-2982
>   e-mail:  stevene@dpls.lib.or.us
>


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From: nadine <booklover32@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Automated Summer Reading Club
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:18:09 CST

Please, please post the responses...this is something
I have been trying to figure out myself...I was
thinking of using MS ACCESS, but havent had a chance
to test it.

Nadine



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                     Nadine Lipman
                Head of Children's Services
                  Waterford Public Library
                   Waterford, CT 06385
               email:  booklover32@yahoo.com

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From: Barb Tack <tackba@oplin.lib.oh.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: "Day you were born" revisited
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:21:01 CST

This site does not currently work for years greater that 1999.  I typed in a
2000 birth day and it gave me the following.

Saturday, September 29, 1900

                           Top News Headlines This Quarter:
                   A HORRENDOUS HURRICANE KILLS 6000 PEOPLE IN
                   GALVESTON, TEXAS, AND CAUSES DAMAGE TO PROPERTY
                   IN EXCESS OF $20 MILLION. THE FIRST DIRECT PRIMARY IN
                   THE U.S. IS HELD IN MINNESOTA. HELEN KELLER IS
                   ADMITTED TO RADCLIFFE. AUTHOR MARK TWAIN RETURNS
                    TO UNITED STATES AFTER A 9 YEAR ABSENCE.


just FYI  looked like a cool site to bad it isn't Y2K ready.

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From: "Linda Peterson" <lpeterson@bloomfield.lib.in.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Inflatable novelties
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:21:52 CST

When I had a story hour scheduled for Tuesday June 4, 1999. I, of course,
had to read the book and the kids helped make some giant vegetables. I made
a brown drawstring bag that we stuffed with wadded up newsprint. Made a
great lumpy potato. We made a huge tomato that we stuffed with packing
peanuts that we got from the recycle center and we made a green bean out of
fabric also. (The Tomato was later reincarnated as Bob when one of the staff
did a Veggie Tales Bible School). If you watch at Walmart you can find cheap
fabric for $1 a yard.
Linda Peterson
Bloomfield-Eastern Greene County Public Library
125 South Franklin
Bloomfield, Indiana 47424
Phone: (812)384-4125
Fax: (812)384-0820
email: lpeterson@bloomfield.lib.in.us
-----Original Message-----
From: HFL_LISA@stls.org <HFL_LISA@stls.org>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Date: Monday, January 29, 2001 8:09 PM
Subject: RE: Inflatable novelties


>Don't know how craft  you are but how about making some giant food
yourself?
>Foam makes great bread slices.  Fun Foam or felt is great for deli meats,
>tomatoes, cheese, lettuce etc.  There's a sandwich.  You can take
>a paper mache ballon and do fruits, eggs, whateve.  If you maybe make a
>couple of pieces a month by summer you could have some fun stuff to hang
>from the ceiling or put out. Some cardboard and foam is great for
popsicles.
>String all wound up and painted is great for spaghetti with nerf ball
>meatballs.  Visit your styrafoam aisle at the craft store-lots of shapes
>there.  Gees...I have TO much time on my hands!
>Lisa
>Horseheads Free Library
>

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From: "Rebecca S. Heindl" <heindlre@metronet.lib.mi.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Average Cost of Children's Materials
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:22:07 CST

This information is available each year in the March issue of SLJ - School
Library Journal.  Becky, Farmington Community Library, Farmington Hills,
MI

On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Anna Cocca wrote:

> Could anyone who purchases Children's Materials for their library provide
me with a figure for the average amount spent on children's materials. This
could be broken down by category;  hardcover, CDs, Board Books, Mixed Media,
and Videos.  Or, it could be an average amount for all the above types.
>
> I work for a large, urban public library in Toronto, Canada and we have a
breakdown of the amount spent for Canadian Children's materials, but we need
help with what is spent in American libraries. I have conducted a Dialog
search in databases covering professional publications but no luck so far. I
would appreciate any information sent my way.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
>

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From: Maureen Ambrosino <mambrosino@fortbend.lib.tx.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: Wilderness program for YAs
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:22:23 CST

I did a program like this several years ago for the Wilmington E.M. Cooper
Memorial Public Library in Wilmington, NY near Lake Placid. The program was
called SOAR (Summer Outdoor Activities and Reading). It was open to students
going into grades 6-8. A staff of 4 counselors was hired to do
outdoor/wilderness activities with the kids, along with a reading incentive
program based on the activities the group was doing. Activities were held
two or three days a week. Some of the things they did: canoeing, wilderness
hiking using a compass to return to the starting point (after an
orienteering class and accompanied by all 4 counselors), primitive camping,
and a 12 mile bike ride. It was a very successful program due to the outdoor
skills of the staff and their excellent rapport with the kids. The program
was repeated all three years I was there, but with different activities each
year.
Maureen Ambrosino
First Colony Branch
Fort Bend County Library System
Sugar Land, TX 77479

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From: Rebecca Van Dan <rvandan@scls.lib.wi.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Teen LAN party
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:22:48 CST

Just wondering if any brave soul out there has done a LAN party at their
library.  (LAN= Local Area Network)  A teen in my Teen Advisory Committee
suggested it as a program idea, and I am intrigued. (Basically, everyone
brings their own computer, hook them up to each other and play computer
games where everyone chooses a different character.)  I am a bit concerned
about the violence, however.  Games suggested were: Tribes 2, StarCraft,
Quake 3, Rune, and Doom.  (First 2 seem more teen-appropriate than the last
3.)  Has anyone done this sort of program in their library?
Comments/suggestions?

Thanks!


Rebecca Van Dan
Young Adult Librarian
Middleton Public Library
7425 Hubbard Ave
Middleton, WI  53562
(608)831-5564
http://www.scls.lib.wi.us/middleton/

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From: "Chapman, Jan" <jchapman@ascpl.lib.oh.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: book return ideas
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:23:05 CST

Dear Dianne:

How about food for fines?  I know this has worked very successfully in
public libraries.  Ask the students to bring in a canned good for each
overdue item.  You then waive the fines and the canned goods can be donated
to a local food pantry.  If you do this around the holidays (when people are
thinking of helping out less fortunate folks), you can really get a lot of
returns.

Hope this is helpful.

Jan Chapman
Norton Branch Library
Akron-Summit Co Public Library

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From: owner-pubyac@prairienet.org [mailto:owner-pubyac@prairienet.org]On
Behalf Of dianne.stokes@cms.k12.nc.us
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 8:48 PM
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: book return ideas


I work in a middle school library and am having trouble getting books back
from ''forgetful'' students, as well as ''negligent''students. I am looking
for some ways to promote and encourage the returning of overdue books. What
are some methods that you have used in your libraries? At this point I
don't even care about collecting overdue book fines, I just want to recover
the books.

Thanks.

Dianne Stokes
McClintock Middle School
dianne.stokes@cms.k12.nc.us

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From: "Elaine Moustakas" <elainem9@hotmail.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Core Juvenile Fiction Lists
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:23:20 CST

I am going to be doing a project in my library to go through the JFic
section (chapter books) and make sure we have the majority of "must-haves"
for a children's juvenile fiction collection. I plan on going through books
like "Best Books for Children" and "Books Kids Will Sit Still For" and other
such lists, but I'm wondering if any libraries have their own "must-have"
lists that you could share with me.  I want to do a very thorough job and
fill in any gaps that have been left over the years.  Please send your
replies to elainem9@hotmail.com and I will be happy to post what I receive.
Thank you so much!
Elaine
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From: Paulalef@aol.com
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: getting patrons to public story time
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:23:43 CST

Leverne -
Have you checked whether other activities take place during the hours you
currently do programming? It may be that something else is going on then and
you might therefore want to change your programs to another day. Just a
thought.

Paula Lefkowitz
Parsippany (NJ) PL

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From: "Connie Vandervort" <cvandervort@mail.hillsml.lib.nh.us>
To: "pubyac" <PUBYAC@prairienet.org>
Subject: welcome songs
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:23:58 CST

Just one more suggestion: I use The More We Get Together, but in sign.
At the beginning of each new story time session I teach the kids to sing
it in sign language. They love it and even the littlest have been able
to pick it up quickly.

Connie Vandervort
Hudson, NH

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From: Jeaneal Weeks <jeaneal@crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: birthday sites
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:24:16 CST

Thanks so much to all who responded to my question about finding events
   that happened on a particular day in history.  The Boy Scouts are coming
   this afternoon, and I've bookmarked all the suggestions for them.
Several
   asked that I posted the responses, so here  is the list.

   http://dmarie.com/timecap/
   http://www.historychannel.com
   http://www.scopesys.com/year/
   http://www.arrowfm.com/cgi/history.pl
   http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/today/archive.html

   movies and stuff
   http://us.imdb.com/M/on-this-day

   http://www.infoplease.com/cgi-bin/dayinhistory
   http://www.9online.com/today/today.htm
   www.biography.com
   http://www.on-this-day.com/
   http://www.thehistorynet.com/today/today_search.htm
   http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/000129onthisday.html
   http://www.geocities.com/ransome/today.html


   Jeaneal Weeks
   Hiawatha Public Library
   150 West Willman
   Hiawatha, IA 52233
   (319) 393-1414
   jeaneal@crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.usc

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From: Nancy Yetman <holnye@lakeland.lib.mi.us>
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: Recommended children's web sites
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:24:30 CST

Hello all: We will soon be acquiring 2 internet computers in our
children's room. These will ultimately have the same filtering software
that our adult filtered computers will have, but until that software is
chosen we are getting filters without a pick list and have to develop
our own recommended sites. Has anyone done this? Are there good lists
already available (I hate to reinvent the wheel)? Any recommendations,
warnings, etc. will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance
Nancy Yetman
Children's Librarian
Herrick District Library
300 S. River Ave.
Holland, MI. 49423
holnye@lakeland.lib.mi.us

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From: Andrew Finkbeiner <ANDREW@rockford.lib.il.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Coll. Dev. Formulas
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:24:48 CST

Hi, friends!

We are examining our collection development practices.  I'm interested in
hearing from libraries with multiple branches about how you decide who gets
how much of what?  I hear there are such things as "formulas."  Can any of
you share with me an example of a formula, or even an actual formula?
Thanks in advance for your help! 

Andrew Finkbeiner
Rockford (IL) Public Library
andrew@rockford.lib.il.us

Visit our website at http://www.rpl.rockford.org 

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From: Carol Chatfield <cchatfield@myriad.middlebury.edu>
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: SRP database
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:25:03 CST

I  have used Microsoft Excel for the past two years, and it works pretty
well.  It has enough fields so you can put in enough stuff to make it
useful, and wehn I go to hand out certificates in the fall I can sort it
in a way gives me a list to work with that helps me find the kids.
I have also used it to generate vouchers for the kids to use to get free
books and tee shirts as rewards.
You do have to go over it if volunteers enter the data, as they don't
know the spelling of names (important on certificates) and they aren't
as careful as we sometimes wish they might be.
I use fields like Last Name, First Name, Grade, School, Town of
Residence, Library Card Holder (we only give shirts to kids who are
registered borrowers, as we discovered mothers from out of town were
rounding up reading certificates and bringing them in...), and the
Teacher's Name is also useful if you hand out in classrooms.
We had 551 kids last year, and it saved a lot of time for me.

Carol Chatfield
Ilsley Public Library
Middlebury, VT

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From: "Phyllis Larison" <bemislib@earthlink.net>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Colorado job opening
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:25:21 CST

A position as Head of Youth Services is open at the Bemis Public Library =
in Littleton, Colorado.   Littleton is a progressive, dynamic city =
located 10 miles south of downtown Denver.  The children's room at the =
library has recently been expanded and renovated.  This position =
involves supervising and coordinating all services, programs and =
activities for children, age 0-11 years.  The starting salary is =
$3,715/mo., plus excellent benefits.  For a detailed job description, go =
to =
http://www.littletongov.org/jobs/jobtitles/libsupervisoryouth_020101.htm

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From: Pat Lanyi <lanyip@pls.lib.ca.us>
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: appeal to memory
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:25:56 CST

A patron is looking for a children's book from the 1950's or before that
includes a bloating bathtub with 3 children and a bald male babysitter.
Each chapter is about a different evening when magical things occur such
as soda pop coming from the faucets after Mr. (babysitter) fixed the
plumbing.  Would appreciate a response if anyone recognizes this.  Thanks!
Pat Lanyi

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From: caes@pacificrim.net
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Stumper: 194? Poetry Anthology
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:26:14 CST

My housemate has a partial volume of children's poetry she thinks was
published around 1942 -- although it could be earlier, maybe Depression
era?  The paper has that look of hard times.  It has sillouettes for
illustrations. Needles to say, there is no title page, no information at
all as to the title, author, or  firm publication date. It's about 7 1/2
inches tall by 5 1/2 inches wide.  She would like to acquire a complete
copy of this volume, but first she has to figure out what it is.

The first page still intact is page 33.  The first intact poem is Democracy
by Ann Zelenka (over which there is a sillouette of a flower garden with a
pail and shovel.)  The next few pages have What the Toys are Thinking by
Ffrida Wolfe,  Growing-Up by Marchette Gaylor Chute,  Mrs. Brown, by Rose
Fyleman, Little Rain by Elizabeth Madox Roberts, and the Family by
Katherine Mansfield. 

There are also poems by Robert Louis Stevenson, Rachel Field, Ogden Nash,
and Carl Sandburg.  It really does look like a nice, broad anthology of its
time.  The last page intact is 222.  It's got The Lake Isle of Innisfree by
William Butler Yeats. One of you Wise Ones might even have it in your
collection still.  Anyone know?

Catherine Sarette
Catherine Sarette
caes@pacificrim.net

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From: Lilredwgon@aol.com
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: help for children's loss/death reading list
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:26:31 CST

PUBYAC,

I would like to create a book/reading list on books dealing with death or
loss for young children.  I'd like the list to be quite broad - to include
titles for very young to YA, fiction, non-fiction and any other mediums (CDs
or video) that might be appropriate.  I have a few beginning resources.
Because of the sensitive topic, I would really appreciate ideas of books
that
any of you have felt comfortable recommending.  Can anyone recommend some
additional titles or sources?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Christine Lopez
Children's Librarian
Franklin Public Library
Somerset, NJ

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From: "Eva Davis" <lunchgroup@hotmail.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: stumper solved--WWII/nuns/children hiding
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:26:49 CST

Thank you, everyone, for such a quick and accurate response to my stumper
question about a group of Jewish children hidden by nuns in Europe during
World War II.

Every single one of you that replied said the book is "Twenty and Ten" by
Claire Huchet Bishop.  My library does not own it, but I've forwarded the
title to my patron, who I think will be greatly pleased.

Since I am not a children's librarian, I had no clue what the book title
was.  It's really great to have professionals like you all to turn to for
help.  Thanks to you all for rescuing me!

Eva Davis
Plymouth (MI) District Library
lunchgroup@hotmail.com
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From: "Mary Ferris(Canandaigua)" <mferris@pls-net.org>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Stumper
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:27:06 CST

I'm calling upon the memory of the list to help me with this request.  I
drew a
blank on it.

This is the message I received from a friend of mine:

        "There was a children's book that my parents used to read to me by
the
title of "The Wuz Guzzle" or something like that (that is, I'm not sure of
the
exact spelling).  It was about some kind of monster called the Wuz Guzzle
that
was eating children or people.  Anyway, they talked the monster
into eating doughnuts so that he wouldn't eat people anymore."

He would like to find the book.  He is 53, so it was probably a book read to
kids in the 50s.

Thanks for trying. Please reply directly to me (mferris@pls-net.org)


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