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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and
Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 11:01 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 516
PUBYAC Digest 516
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Character Bibliographys
by Sue Jones <sjones@ci.pleasanton.ca.us>
2) Re: Seeking advice
by "Vicky Smith" <vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us>
3) Re: Stumpers : pretty please?
by jill heffner <jillh1018@yahoo.com>
4) Re: Addressing Children
by Cornelia Penner <corneliaskitchen@yahoo.ca>
5) Re: Addressing Children
by HFL_LISA@stls.org
6) RE: Seeking advice
by HFL_LISA@stls.org
7) SOLVED: STUMPER--parents die of scarlet fever
by Manansala Stephanie <pubyac@yahoo.com>
8) stumper: b-l-a-d-e of the s-p-a-d-e
by jepeters@nypl.org
9) STUMPER- grasshopper green
by "Medford Children's Department" <medchild@jcls.org>
10) Re: Addressing Children
by David Serchay <a013213t@bc.seflin.org>
11) Re: Seeking advice
by John & Carol Anderson <jwanderson@smithville.net>
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From: Sue Jones <sjones@ci.pleasanton.ca.us>
To: "'PUBYAC@prairienet.org'"
<PUBYAC@prairienet.org>
Subject: Character Bibliographys
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:15:59 CDT
Fellow PubYacers,
Character Education is becoming a major school district project here and we
would like to prepare some booklists with titles representative of each the
six character traits they have selected to focus upon, (Integrity, Honesty,
Responsibility, Respect, Compassion & Self-Discipline).
A few reference book resources have been of help, primarily in the picture
book catagory. Very few websites......
Its reading recommendations for older kids that have been harder to pin down
as to the best titles showcasing one particular attribute. At this point,
we're open to suggestions.
I have found a few humane societies offering booklists representing Respect,
Responsibility and Compassion toward animals......
Does anyone know of any resources out there dealing specifically with
character education and literature?
Gratefully Yours,
Sue Jones
Pleasanton Public Library, Calif.
(925) 931-3400 x 23
sue.jones.ci.pleasanton.ca.us/library.html
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From: "Vicky Smith" <vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Seeking advice
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Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:17:01 CDT
Our Internet use policy is very much like yours, including email and
chat use, for most of the reasons you articulate below, with two
exceptions.
1. In the children's room and at peak-use times in the adult room,
the time limit is 1/2 hour to accommodate the extra volume. When
no one is waiting, users may continue to tappy-tap away until
someone who has not yet had a turn shows up.
2. Computer users with young children in tow are told that the time
limit is 1/2 hour or "until your child gets bored, whichever comes
first." We instituted this policy for two reasons. The
first is the
obvious: to deal with the disturbance problems brought about by
bored children. The other is that we felt that, even if a kid is well-
behaved, it's just unfair to make a child wait and wait while a parent
blithely uses the Internet. We make exceptions in the cases
where a kid is obviously occupied (sleeping infants, kids happily
reading books, etc.), but this liberates those kids who are stuck
just waiting.
Vicky Smith
Children's Librarian
McArthur Library
Biddeford, ME
On 4 Aug 2001, at 10:44, Pineville-Bell Co. Public Library wrote:
> This questions is perhaps not as specifically concerning children as
> most others, but I'd enjoy your outlook on this situation.
>
> We have no time limits on our public access Internet computers, unless
> all 5 available are in use and someone is waiting. Then, after a hour,
> the first person who logged on is asked to leave. If no one
is
> waiting, there seemed little way to justify asking someone to move on.
>
> Now we have two adults (each with two children), who stay at a
> terminal 7 hours. The woman has an infant in a stroller (and she must
> be asked frequently to take the baby for a walk because its
> restlessness is disturbing others and causing complaints) and one in
> kindergarten. That child...after a mere few hours becomes hungry and
> bored and the staff is expected to entertain her while the mother
> chats with folks in chatroom. The man has 2 children,
both under
> school age but old enough to sit at Barney terminals for hours.
I
> "allowed" the father to hear our staff discussing whether or
not we
> would be reinstating time limits on the public access computers, and
> he said "Well, I have to bring the children here and I'd get bored
if
> I didn't have something to do all day." ????
>
> Here are some questions:
>
> Do most of you have time limits? How do you justify them?
Do we NEED
> to justify them?
>
> We have never limited e-mail (a valuable aspect of our service) or
> chatrooms (mainly because we don't care whether someone reads
> Dostoyevsky or Danielle Steele, either, and we don't have time to sit
> with them to see what they're doing. I understand
some filters will
> probably prevent access to Hotmail and Yahoo mail (as e-mail is more
> difficult to police re: CIPA than web sites and search engines).
Our
> use will dry up almost completely if that's the case.
>
> Some libraries specify that one workstation is for e-mail (and
> presumably chat can be accessed through those sites, as now) and they
> are stand-up terminals with a 15 min. time limit. Other
than
> installing filters, how can you be assured that "sit down"
terminals
> intended for "serious research" are not used for chat?
e-mail? And
> can we REALLY do this?
>
> If other patrons are asking the staff "Doesn't that woman ever
take
> those children home and feed them?" and some patrons are
telling the
> woman "I can't work with your children running around" are we
in
> danger of serving an elite who can afford child care? (OK,
that
> question is a little extreme. We know how to deal with problem
> patrons, but I am loathe sometimes to turn away those who comes for
> the air conditioning and our environment might be better for their
> children than the pool room or the 100th viewing of Nightmare on
Elm
> Street.)
>
> So, gang.....hit me with your suggestions.
>
> --
> Ron Day
> Asst. Director
> Pineville-Bell Co. Public Library
> 606.337.3422
> http://www.tcnet.net/~pinevillelib/
>
Vicky Smith
vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us
Children's Librarian
McArthur Library
270 Main Street
Biddeford, ME 04005
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From: jill heffner <jillh1018@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Stumpers : pretty please?
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Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:17:37 CDT
Thank you, M. Neiman. I, too, would like to read the
original posting along with the solution. Thank you
for voicing this idea.
--- "M. Neiman" <mellifur@tiac.net>
wrote:
> At 12:01 AM 8/1/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >From: Andrea Terry <cavgrads97@yahoo.com>
> >To: pubyac@prairienet.org
> >Subject: survivor stumper solved
> >MIME-Version: 1.0
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:43:03 CDT
> >
> >Pardon the alliteration...The series that my patron
> >mentioned must be the Survival! series by Duey and
> >Bale. Many thanks!
>
>
> I don't remember your original post. A plea to all:
> Could you please
> restate your original question when you give the
> answer to a stumper?
>
> M. Neiman
> neiman@glasct.org
> Welles-Turner Memorial Library
> Glastonbury, CT
> http://www.wtmlib.com
>
> The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect
> those of my organization.
>
=====
Jill Heffner
Youth Services
Driftwood Public Library
801 SW Hwy 101
Lincoln City, Oregon 97367
541 996 2277 Fax: 541 996 1262
jillh1018@yahoo.com
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From: Cornelia Penner <corneliaskitchen@yahoo.ca>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Addressing Children
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Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:18:46 CDT
As a child I very much disliked being called dear,
sweetie, honey, etc. by anyone, but especially by
adults who didn't even know me. I was too shy to tell
them so, but it did always make me feel uncomfortable
around those people.
Cornelia Penner
MLIS student, McGill University
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From: HFL_LISA@stls.org
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Addressing Children
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:19:19 CDT
Sweetie they have all been and sweetie they will remain. How PC can
we get? As a parent of a 9 and 12 year old boy I have no problem if
the
nice lady in the library, store etc. call them sweetie. I hope when
they are strapping lads of 25 someone is still calling them that once in
awhile! I cannot believe a library would institute a 'policy' on how
to properly address a child. Children are children and we perhaps go
to far in treating them like minature adults.
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From: HFL_LISA@stls.org
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: RE: Seeking advice
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:19:50 CDT
You do not have to justify limits at all. Simply put a sign up have
some backbone and enforce it. 7 hours! While you entertain their
child?
That is not what you are being paid to do is it? If no on else is
waiting
we will let people stay on a but otherwise....hello...times up! You
have a job to do. I would NEVER expect a store clerk, my attorney, the
musuem guard, the life guard ANYONE to amuse my child while I do what
it
is I have to do. Boy would our lives be easier if we did. Do not
let
people make this your responsibility. People can only have you do what
YOU
let them make you.
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From: Manansala Stephanie <pubyac@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: SOLVED: STUMPER--parents die of scarlet fever
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Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:20:10 CDT
Thank you to all who replied (unanimously!) with the
information that the book my patron is looking for is
_Where the lilies bloom_ by Vera Cleaver. I knew
you'd come up with the answer!
:) Stephanie Manansala
--- Manansala Stephanie <pubyac@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:48:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Manansala Stephanie <pubyac@yahoo.com>
> Reply-to: smanansa@snap.lib.ca.us
> Subject: STUMPER--parents die of scarlet fever
> To: pubyac@prairienet.org
>
> Hi PUBYACers,
> A patron is looking for a children's book she read
> about twenty years ago--the story is that the
> parents
> of a family of children die of scarlet fever, and
> the
> children end up living alone in the country, trying
> to
> keep anyone from finding out their parents had died
> because they don't want to be separated.
>
> Sound familiar to anyone? I appreciate your help!
>
> Thank you,
> Stephanie
>
> =====
> Stephanie Manansala
> Young Adult Librarian
> Solano County Library
>
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=====
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Young Adult Librarian
Solano County Library
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From: jepeters@nypl.org
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: stumper: b-l-a-d-e of the s-p-a-d-e
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:22:13 CDT
All Ye Well-Read Ones, here is what our patron remember=
A girl of 11 or 12 years lives in a co=
untry setting -- possibly New England. Although her mother tries to interes=
t her in the homely arts, the girl prefers to run around outdoors and climb=
trees. Her mother persuades her to finish crocheting a mat, which,
when do=
ne, is grimy and misshapen. Without telling her, her mother washes and bloc=
ks the mat and enters it at the county fair where it wins a prize.
Ou=
r heroine is interested in the subject of spelling at school and prepares f=
or the spelling bee. Her father, who always seems to be doing something in =
the woodshop, gives her the blade of his spade to take to another venue to =
get sharpened. On the day she is to pick up the blade of the spade, she win=
s the spelling bee, and rushes home to tell her father the good news, forge=
tting her errand. He is happy and proud of her, but replies, "But
wher=
e is the b-l-a-d-e of the s-p-a-d-e?" As a treat she is sent to
visit =
her two aunts who live in Boston. They take her sightseeing, which includes=
a ride on a swan boat, and they take her to a performance of
"H.M.S. =
Pinafore." Later that night, after she has been tucked up in bed on
th=
e third floor of the aunts' townhouse, the sound of her singing,
"I'm =
called Little Buttercup -- dear Little Buttercup..." comes wafting
dow=
n to the parlor where her aunts look at one another and beam. The
boo=
k was available in the early to mid 1940's. Should this ring a bell,
please
clue me in privately.
Central Children's Room
New York Public Library
jepeters@nypl.org
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From: "Medford Children's Department" <medchild@jcls.org>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: STUMPER- grasshopper green
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Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:22:51 CDT
Dear Fellow Pubyacers,
Our 70 year old + patron remembers this poem or song or rhyme from
childhood (paraphrased)
"Grasshopper green
He plays all day
...............
Alas poor grasshopper green
He asked the Ant for a grain of wheat
That he might have a bite to eat.............."
The patron would like to know the complete words and, the music if a
song. does anyone know the poem or a source for it?
We have checked several sources, including
Popular Song index by Havlice
Index to children's songs by Peterson & Fenton
and Grangers.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Patt Colwell
Medford Library Children's Services
medchild@jcls.org
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From: David Serchay <a013213t@bc.seflin.org>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Addressing Children
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Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:45:25 CDT
On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, Cornelia Penner wrote:
> As a child I very much disliked being called dear,
> sweetie, honey, etc. by anyone, but especially by
> adults who didn't even know me. I was too shy to tell
> them so, but it did always make me feel uncomfortable
> around those people.
>
"Sweetie" does seem to be the word I use when I don't know a
little girls
name. Tend to use "Buddy" for boys.
David
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From: John & Carol Anderson <jwanderson@smithville.net>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Seeking advice
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Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:17:34 CDT
Hi,
This message really was timely for us. We have a
patron whose
"addiction" to the Internet is causing us to define child abuse.
She brings
her grandchildren while she's online (they stay in the general area with
her so our unattended children policy really doesn't cover it) and rebuffs
their requests no matter what they are. After several hours they start to
complain (to anyone who will listen) that they're hungy and/or have to go
to the bathroom. After several reminders to the grandmother that the
children must be supervised AND cared for we reached the proverbial straw
incident. The 4 year old started asking numerous people to take her to the
bathroom, including a college student who was taking a test we were
proctoring. As you can imagine, the inevitable happened - she went to the
bathroom on the floor. I only found out about all this from staff and
patrons after grandma and kids finally went home.
We, too, let patrons stay on as long as noone is
waiting. It seems to
me a bit big brotherish and obnoxious to tell patrons they have to get off
when the result will be an empty computer. But the larger question besides
usage policy is what constitutes child abuse/neglect? Has anybody out there
actually had to resort to contacting authorities about child neglect as a
consequence of hours of oblivious online activity? I hate to think that one
criteria for establishing usage policy must be to protect children from
being neglected.
Carol Thornton-Anderson
Youth Services
Melton Public Library
French Lick, IN
"Pineville-Bell Co. Public Library" wrote:
> This questions is perhaps not as specifically concerning children as
> most others, but I'd enjoy your outlook on this situation.
>
> We have no time limits on our public access Internet computers, unless
> all 5 available are in use and someone is waiting. Then, after a hour,
> the first person who logged on is asked to leave. If no one
is
> waiting, there seemed little way to justify asking someone to move on.
>
> Now we have two adults (each with two children), who stay at a terminal
> 7 hours. The woman has an infant in a stroller (and she must be asked
> frequently to take the baby for a walk because its restlessness is
> disturbing others and causing complaints) and one in kindergarten. That
> child...after a mere few hours becomes hungry and bored and the staff
is
> expected to entertain her while the mother chats with folks in
> chatroom. The man has 2 children, both under
school age but old
> enough to sit at Barney terminals for hours. I
"allowed" the father to
> hear our staff discussing whether or not we would be reinstating time
> limits on the public access computers, and he said "Well, I have
to
> bring the children here and I'd get bored if I didn't have something to
> do all day." ????
>
> Here are some questions:
>
> Do most of you have time limits? How do you justify them?
Do we NEED
> to justify them?
>
> We have never limited e-mail (a valuable aspect of our service) or
> chatrooms (mainly because we don't care whether someone reads
> Dostoyevsky or Danielle Steele, either, and we don't have time to sit
> with them to see what they're doing. I understand
some filters will
> probably prevent access to Hotmail and Yahoo mail (as e-mail is more
> difficult to police re: CIPA than web sites and search engines).
Our
> use will dry up almost completely if that's the case.
>
> Some libraries specify that one workstation is for e-mail (and
> presumably chat can be accessed through those sites, as now) and they
> are stand-up terminals with a 15 min. time limit. Other
than
> installing filters, how can you be assured that "sit down"
terminals
> intended for "serious research" are not used for chat?
e-mail? And can
> we REALLY do this?
>
> If other patrons are asking the staff "Doesn't that woman ever
take
> those children home and feed them?" and some patrons are
telling the
> woman "I can't work with your children running around" are we
in danger
> of serving an elite who can afford child care? (OK, that
question is a
> little extreme. We know how to deal with problem patrons, but I
am
> loathe sometimes to turn away those who comes for the air conditioning
> and our environment might be better for their children than the pool
> room or the 100th viewing of Nightmare on Elm Street.)
>
> So, gang.....hit me with your suggestions.
>
> --
> Ron Day
> Asst. Director
> Pineville-Bell Co. Public Library
> 606.337.3422
> http://www.tcnet.net/~pinevillelib/
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