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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children"
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To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 11:01 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 787
PUBYAC Digest 787
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Adults on the Internet in the Youth Room
by "Bart Pisapia" <PisapiaB@mail.co.leon.fl.us>
2) Re: coffee carts
by Jean Nichols <jean@clarksville.org>
3) RE: 4th July craft ideas?
by "Kim Harvish" <kharvish@myriad.middlebury.edu>
4) adults talking
by Christine Hill <chill@willingboro.org>
5) Re: Adults on the Internet in the Youth Room
by "Marge Tassione" <tassione@SLS.LIB.IL.US>
6) Re: Cat Tails...on the Prowl for the Purr-fect Mystery.
by Lisa Bauer <lbauer@mail.owls.lib.wi.us>
7) Re: Adults on the Internet in the Youth Room
by "Mary Voors" <Mvoors@acpl.lib.in.us>
8) Donkey stumper solved!
by "Arnett, Linda" <larnett@tulsalibrary.org>
9) Lobster Stumper
by "Julie Rothenfluh" <jrothenfluh@lib.naperville.il.us>
10) stumper - boy and magic
by Kristin Arnett <karnett@pcl.lib.wa.us>
11) STUMPER SOLVED: Gloria the porcelain dog
by Jill Baurichter <jbaurich@kenton.lib.ky.us>
12) Stumper - "Number 2 pencil"
by "BALIS/PLS/SVLS Reference Center, SF Branch"
<srcsf@mindspring.com>
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From: "Bart Pisapia" <PisapiaB@mail.co.leon.fl.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Adults on the Internet in the Youth Room
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The only adults allowed to use our children's area computers are those =
who are accompanied by a child. =20
The way we enforce this is at the sign up table. If an adult
without a =
child/children comes to sign up, we ask them if they have children in the =
area. If they don't we explain that our computers are set aside for =
children and point them to the adult computer lab. Almost every person =
has been ok with that. Initially some people voiced displeasure (because =
they had been using them), but there have been no major arguments.
The way we look at it is, first, it's a safety issue. Our
area is set =
aside especially for children. The children's area needs to feel safe to =
the kids. Children might be intimidated by adults using the computers in =
this area. Then it becomes an access issue. If children are
uncomfortable=
enough, they won't use the computers. The whole purpose of having a
=
children's area is to serve the special needs of children. There are many
=
more "adult" computers in our library that are available for use.
So far there have been very few problems.
Bart Pisapia
LeRoy Collins Leon County Library
Tallahassee, Florida
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From: Jean Nichols <jean@clarksville.org>
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Subject: Re: coffee carts
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 18:25:59 CDT
We have rented space in our Library for a coffee cart and seating in our
front
foyer. No drinks or food in the library! We have had no problems and it
creates
revenue for our library as we collect rent for the space and a share of the
profits.
Jean Nichols
Clarksville-Montgomery County Public Library
Clarskville, Tennessee
"Cooper, Will" wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I work at a small branch library and I wondered about those who were in
the
> same situation.
> I have heard about places that have allowed coffee carts (or hot dog
stands)
> to park on their property and sell their products.
> I think that for smaller libraries that do not have room for coffee shops
or
> small cafes, this would be a good idea.
> (Not that I think libraries should have restaurants but the trend seems to
> be moving in that direction).
> I wondered how much success those of you who have tried this have had and
> what sort of problems you have run into.
> I suppose there are codes (locally) that have to be followed in order for
> one to even think about putting a cart on library property.
> If anyone has any suggestions, I"d like to hear.
>
> wc
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From: "Kim Harvish" <kharvish@myriad.middlebury.edu>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: 4th July craft ideas?
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Hi. I am an outreach coordinator here in Vermont, and this month the 4th of
July has been my theme in my day care storytimes. I have the kids make
flags. Take a white rectangle of poster board (approx. 7"x9") and give
the
children red markers or crayons to make horizontal stripes on the poster
board. Then take a smaller rectangle of royal blue construction paper
(approx.2.5"x 3.5") and glue-stick that onto the upper left hand
corner of
the poster board. Then I give them sticky stars to adhere to the blue
rectangle. Then I cut a piece of used matboard into "sticks" (approx.
1.5" x
12") and staple one to the left side of each flag so the kids can hold the
stick and wave their flags. I've found all ages can do this and they do turn
out nicely!
Kim Harvish
Ilsley Public Library
75 Main Street
Middlebury, VT 05753
kharvish@myriad.middlebury.edu
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pubyac@prairienet.org
[mailto:owner-pubyac@prairienet.org]On
Behalf Of Tina Cavanough
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:41 AM
To: PUBYAC Listserv (E-mail)
Subject: 4th July craft ideas?
Gidday,
While you are all busy with summer reading programme, here in Australia I am
gearing up for my Winter programme - which starts Monday! I have scheduled
into my programme an afternoon of "American crafts" for 7-12 year olds
on
the 4th July. I haven't, as yet, come up with what exactly we will do, as
I
thought inspiration would strike me before now - but, alas, it seems to be
avoiding me this week! So, does anyone have any relatively easy, US themed
crafts they'd like to share with a poor, stressed Aussie?
Thanks in advance,
Tina Cavanough
Children's and Youth Services Librarian
Alice Springs Public Library
PO Box 1071
ALICE SPRINGS 0871
Northern Territory
Australia
Ph: 08-8950 0556
Fax: 08-8952 2402
Email: tcavanough@astc.nt.gov.au
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From: Christine Hill <chill@willingboro.org>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: adults talking
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Forwarded by a friend.
This is a major
issue. I can see that if the goal is to get parents to be quiet
that they
have missing and opportunity to do programming with adults. My
first
comment is that the librarian has to think about what their
programming goal
is for the adults in the room. Are they modeling storytelling
for adults?
Want to have the extra hands in the room to help with children?
Provide a
social time for the adults to talk about parenting issues?
Depending on
the answer the response to the adults is different. Do the
adults have to
be in the room? or could they be in an area close where it would
be
appropriate for them to talk?
In any event it is important for the librarian to set the
expectations for
behavior and participation for both children and adults at the
beginning of
each session. I personally would expect that if an adult wants
to be in the
room they should also participate, however I know not all
libraians feel
that way. The important message to convey is that every adult
in the room
is modeling the behavior that the children will see as
acceptable behavior.
This seems like an obvious idea but many parents do not
understand how
children look to the adults for cues for acceptable behavior. So
if the
adults are talking among themselves, then the children will also
think that
it is ok to talk among themselves. If the adults are not
participating in
the finger plays it is ok for children not to participate in the
fingerplays
etc.
I would want to convey this message in a way that tells the
adults that they
are helping you with the learning in the storytelling because
they are
helping the children to become better listeners, etc.
Christine M. Hill
Willingboro Public Library
One Salem Road
Willingboro NJ 08046
chill@willingboro.org
My new book! Ten Hispanic American Authors, Enslow, 2002
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From: "Marge Tassione" <tassione@SLS.LIB.IL.US>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Adults on the Internet in the Youth Room
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Andrew,
Child must have a "YI" Internet sticker on their library card.
This sticker
indicates that a parent or legal guardian has received a copy of the
library's policy in re: Internet use
Parent must sit w/child under 10.
YS Internet stations are for users up to age 13. Once a child turns 14,
they use adult stations on upper floor.
Time limit is 45 minutes (child may stay on longer if no one is waiting.)
Limit of two sessions per day.
Up to 2 users may use the station at one time but both must present a
library card with Internet sticker.
We have allowed adult patrons to use the Internet down here if they are
accompanied by a small child who is using the game computers. However, if
a
child comes down and requests to use the Internet, the adult gets bumped.
We have experienced no problems with adults following rules in Youth
Services.
Hope this helps. It works really well for us.
(We service the towns of Northlake, Stone Park, and an unincorporated area
outside of Chicago, near O'Hare airport.)
Margaret Tassione
tassione@sls.lib.il.us
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Ashwood" <aascotland@yahoo.com>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:35 PM
Subject: Adults on the Internet in the Youth Room
> Dear PUYACers!
>
> I work in a large downtown public library in Sarasota,
> FL. The children's area is around 10,000 square feet
> in size. We have 4 Internet computers available for
> public use. Currently anyone is allowed to use the
> Internet for one hour at a time. We have filters on
> our computers.
>
> Daily we get men on the computers looking at porn even
> with the filters. They are immediately kicked out and
> asked not to return, if we catch them. We also have
> regular email users and chatters that come into the
> room daily. They abuse their one hour time limit, and
> when they are finished, make their way to the second
> floor to use the adult internet stations.
>
> What I really want to do is ban adults from using the
> Internet in the youth room if they are not accompanied
> by a child. I feel this would free up the computers
> for children to use. We would eliminate many of the
> problems we are having - men/women looking at porn,
> abusive patrons toward staff. Plus, allow us to have
> more time to actually help library patrons asking for
> library materials, and give the public access to the
> OPACs.
>
> I need a good strong arguement to present to my boss
> as to why adults without children need to be banned
> from the youth room. Any input would be appreciated.
>
> I have been working in a computer/internet atmosphere
> for 7 years now and know every problem, complaint,
> etc. It can be very straining dealing with it all.
>
>
> Question:
> 1. What is your policy on allowing adults into the
> youth room to use the Internet?
>
> 2. If you have banned adults without children from
> using the internet, how have you done this and what
> has the impact been?
>
> 3. Any other information you may want to add.
>
> Thank you for all your support.
>
> You may reply back to aascotland@yahoo.com
>
> __________________________________________________
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>
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From: Lisa Bauer <lbauer@mail.owls.lib.wi.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Cat Tails...on the Prowl for the Purr-fect Mystery.
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1. The Cat Who books by Lillian Jackson Braun.
2. The Cat Who Could Read Backwards or any of the earliest ones.
3. I love mysteries and prefer ones that have a humurous bent to them. I
don't
like all
cat mysteries, some totally turn me off. I have to also
like the human
characters in
them.
4. Some people don't think these are real mysteries if they deal with
animals,
I'm
always interested in other peoples opinion. Also most people
love cats
or
hate
them and that would color their opinion of the books. Another
interesting
topic of
discussion would be whether or not you believe animals can
communicate
with
humans.
Jennifer Baker wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> As you all have been so helpful with request after
> request for children's stuff, I'm coming to you for
> help with an adult program.
>
> That's right I have been asked to do a program for
> tall people!
>
> I'm supposed to lead a discussion group on Cat
> Mysteries (Lillian Jackson Braun, Rita Mae Brown...).
> I was asked (and I agreed) because I love anything and
> everything to do with cats. However, I've never been a
> mystery reader so I don't know where to start.
>
> I'm guessing some of you who have the time to read
> grown up books may have read some of these; so I'm
> hoping you can help me out.
>
> If you have the time, can you please answer the
> following questions for me:
>
> 1) Which author/series is your favorite and why?
>
> 2) If you had to recommend any ONE title from that
> series, which would it be and why?
>
> 3) What do you like most about reading cat mysteries?
>
> 4) If you were invited to a discussion group on this
> topic what would you like to talk about?
>
> Thanks so much!
> Please reply directly to me. I would normally compile
> and post any responses but since this is outside the
> usual kiddie stuff I won't. However, if anybody would
> like to see the results, email me and I'll send it
> directly to you.
>
> Thanks again!
> ~jennifer
>
> jbaker93711@yahoo.com
>
> =====
> ~jenniferbaker
> "If an item does not appear in our records, it does not exist."
> ~ Jocasta Nu (librarian from "Star Wars: Episode II Attack of the
Clones")
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
> http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
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From: "Mary Voors" <Mvoors@acpl.lib.in.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Adults on the Internet in the Youth Room
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 18:29:41 CDT
We have a large Children's Services department in our Main Library. We =
offer Internet access in the department and do NOT restrict the use of the =
Internet stations according to the age of the user. Instead, we ask the =
users to limit themselves to resources appropriate for 5th grade and =
under. When asked, we explain to adults that this means, for example, that =
they need to go to the "grown-up" computer section to look up tax
forms, =
new car prices, or information about cruises. We further explain that they =
are, of course, welcome to use the computers in the Children's Services =
department to play games from Blue's Clues, look up cheat codes for =
children's computer games, or print out pictures of Aaliyah.=20
Our "official" rules state:=20
Internet computers are reserved for children's resources only. Children's =
resources are defined as sites intended for children 11 and younger. =
Anyone 12 or older may chat or use email on computers in other parts of =
the library, including the Community Computing Center, Young Adult =
Services, and other library departments.=20
This has worked VERY well for us!=20
Mary
Mary R. Voors
E-Mail: =
mvoors@acpl.lib.in.us
Children's Services manager
Phone: 260-421-1221
Allen County Public Library
FAX: 260-422-9688
900 Webster
Fort Wayne, IN 46801
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From: "Arnett, Linda" <larnett@tulsalibrary.org>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Donkey stumper solved!
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Many thanks go out to diligent librarians Megan VanderHart, Jen Marin, Kelly
Girard & Suzanne Huff who kindly emailed me the "sad donkey"
title. It is
Donkey-Donkey by Roger Duvoisin, Parents Magazine Press 1968. There were no
copies left in our system, so although we offered ILL, the customer is
excited about trying to find a used copy to purchase. This List serve
certainly puts lots of smiles on lots of faces! Thanks again from Lin
Arnett, Tulsa City County Library, Tulsa, OK
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From: "Julie Rothenfluh" <jrothenfluh@lib.naperville.il.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Lobster Stumper
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 18:29:55 CDT
We've received a call from a gentleman who heard about this book from a
coworker. A little girl takes a lobster to a party & the lobster ends
up
going home with someone's grandmother, or possibly just an elderly lady.
The girl may have been ashamed of the lobster! The story may have been set
in the 19th century. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Julie Rothenfluh
Children's Services Supervisor
Nichols Library
Naperville, IL
jrothen@lib.naperville.il.us
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From: Kristin Arnett <karnett@pcl.lib.wa.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: stumper - boy and magic
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Dear Collective Brain,
I have a patron looking for a children's fiction book published maybe 20 or
more years ago about a boy and magic. The patron thinks there were only two
characters in the book - the boy and an older woman named Ms. or Mrs.
Zimmer/Zimmerman. She remembers the cover of the book depicting a boy
exiting a door with steps descending down from it. I've looked high and low
and can't come up with anything!
Any suggestions? You can email me off list at karnett@pcl.lib.wa.us.
Thanks!
Kristin Arnett
YS Librarian
Pierce County Library
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From: Jill Baurichter <jbaurich@kenton.lib.ky.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: STUMPER SOLVED: Gloria the porcelain dog
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Thanks to Joanna Andrew, Bonnie Janssen, Kristin Dermody, Mara Alpert,
Elaine
Morgan, Jen Marin, and Kim Olson-Kopp for solving this stumper. The book
was
NO FLYING IN THE HOUSE by Betty Brock. My patron was thrilled!
You guys are great!
Jill
--------Original Message---------------------------------
I have a patron looking for a book she read in the mid-70s. She thinks it
was
a chapter book. It was about a tiny porcelain dog named Gloria who comes to
life for a short while.
I've looked in WorldCat and Children's Catalog and can't find anything
remotely similar. I'm hoping it rings a bell with someone out there!
Thanks for your help.
______________________________
Jill Dempsey Baurichter
Children's Librarian
Kenton County Public Library
3130 Dixie Highway
Erlanger, KY 41018
(859) 341-5115
jbaurich@kenton.lib.ky.us
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From: "BALIS/PLS/SVLS Reference Center, SF Branch" <srcsf@mindspring.com>
To: "Pubyac" <PUBYAC@prairienet.org>
Subject: Stumper - "Number 2 pencil"
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We're trying to find a short story called "Number 2 pencil", which is
about
a student who plans a rebellion against standardized testing, a la
"Incident
at Owl Creek". The patron remembers reading it in a Scholastic Inc.
publication circa 1970-75. They think it was in a volume titled something
like "Best teen writing".
We've tried: Short story index, 1964-83; OCLC; Google.
Also called
Scholastic Inc's library, and they could not find it.
Does anyone recognize this story? TIA for any help or suggestions!
- Catherine Sylvia
BALIS/PLS/SVLS System Reference Center, SF Branch
c/o San Francisco Public Library
100 Larkin Street, 3rd floor
San Francisco, CA 94102
tel: (415) 552-5042 fax: (415) 552-5067
email: srcsf@mindspring.com
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