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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:08 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 873


    PUBYAC Digest 873

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Hermie the worm poem and craft
by Miriam Boots <Miriam@mail.sttammany.lib.la.us>
  2) reading buddies
by J2Field@aol.com
  3) Picture Book Database
by Beth Tarr <bethtarr@yahoo.com>
  4) Re: graphic novels (long)
by Robin Brenner <lexalthea@yahoo.com>
  5) Re: student observation policy
by "Melissa MacLeod" <mmacleod@sailsinc.org>
  6) Re: Stumper: scifi/fantasy
by Laura Smith <laurajhs@yahoo.com>
  7) Re: student observation policy
by jandersen@carmel.lib.in.us (Jennifer Andersen)
  8) Re: First-name basis patrons??
by "Carol Edwards" <edwarc@mx.pon.net>
  9) Harry Potter
by Sandra Strandtmann <sandras@juneau.lib.ak.us>
 10) Quote of the Week
by Greg Ullman <gullman@ci.covina.ca.us>
 11) Re: First-name basis patrons??
by "Linda Peterson" <lpeterson@bloomfield.lib.in.us>
 12) Re: Sign-ups for programs
by "teresa lamorte" <imtess0@lycos.com>
 13) Re: graphic novels
by Beth Tarr <bethtarr@yahoo.com>
 14) storytime help
by Natasha Forrester <stingme2x@yahoo.com>
 15) booktals
by Allison Peters <apeters@jefferson.lib.co.us>
 16) unregistered kids and programs
by "Christine Montgomery" <christine.montgomery@lpl.london.on.ca>
 17) Re: latecomers
by "Clare Meehan" <clare329@earthlink.net>
 18) RE: latecomers
by "Nicole Conradt" <nconradt@cooney.lib.wi.us>
 19) Re: Sign-ups for programs
by tzignego@wcfls.lib.wi.us
 20) Re: Lemony Snicket program
by stowkids <stowkids@oplin.lib.oh.us>
 21) RE: sensitive child
by "Denise P. Stout" <dpstout@ccls.org>
 22) Re: What age is a YA?
by Janet Birckhead <jbirckhead@lmxac.org>
 23) Pumpkin painting--Responses
by "Christine L. Tyner" <tynercl@yahoo.com>
 24) Re: First-name basis patrons??
by "Clare Meehan" <clare329@earthlink.net>

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From: Miriam Boots <Miriam@mail.sttammany.lib.la.us>
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: Hermie the worm poem and craft
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:57:30 CDT

Hi all,
I love this group of wonderful librarians. You come up with the best
stuff.

I loved the Hermie the worm poem and I thought I copied it but cannot
find. Could you send the craft idea and poem to me.
Thanks so much- the little ones will love.
Miriam@mail.sttammany.lib.la.us
Miriam

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From: J2Field@aol.com
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: reading buddies
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:57:39 CDT

Does anyone have any experience with (or information about) reading buddy
programs (pairing early readers with older, more experienced readers)?  It
seems like a wonderful idea to me, and I know it's been done in other
communities.  (I'm a library science student currently volunteering with
kids
at an elementary school library.)
Please reply to j2field@aol.com

Jody

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From: Beth Tarr <bethtarr@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Picture Book Database
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:57:45 CDT

This might have already been posted, but I just ran
across it by accident.

There's a Children's Picture Book Database available
online from Miami University (Ohio).  It could be
helpful (especially the boolean search) for picture
book stumpers.

The URL is http://www.lib.muohio.edu/pictbks/


--Beth Tarr
Los Angeles Public Library


=====
"They're confiscating my books."
"Giles, we need those books."
"Believe me, I tried to tell that to the nice man with the big gun."
~Giles and Buffy, in "Gingerbread"

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From: Robin Brenner <lexalthea@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: graphic novels (long)
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:57:51 CDT

Hello all again,

> > Did
> > anybody get a grant? 
>
> Sadly, we got no money -- we buy about 5 titles a
> month, to build slowly, though we started with about
> 15 titles.  At this point, we can certainly justify
> buying them considering their great popularity here
> (in terms of circulation) but we still don't have an
> enormous budget.

Just to clarify on this -- I realized as I read it
again that it sounds as if we had no support from our
library -- not at all!  We were encouraged by our
administration to add graphic novels to the
collection, and they've been great all along.  What I
meant to say is that no, we didn't get any special
grants or money from outside the Young Adult budget.
Apologies!

cheers,
Robin B.

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From: "Melissa MacLeod" <mmacleod@sailsinc.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: student observation policy
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:57:58 CDT

That sounds severe. After all, as Library Journal claims there will be a
shortage of librarians as others retire in the next decade, shouldn't we
make our profession as accessible and welcoming as possible. I would let
someone observe even if they weren't a student. What's the worst that could
happen? A lifted storytime theme or enhanced computer skills? Just my 2
cents! Melissa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frannie Savel" <savelf@yahoo.com>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 8:01 PM
Subject: student observation policy


>
>
> Dear Collective Minds,
>
> Do any of you have a policy about student teachers or student M.L.S.
> students observing in your library?  For example, do you require the
college
> student to produce their valid I.D. and a syllabus proving that the
> observation is a requirement?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Frannie
>

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From: Laura Smith <laurajhs@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org,<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Stumper: scifi/fantasy
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:58:04 CDT

I don't know about a book, but the Dungeons and Dragons cartoon on Saturday
mornings fit this bill perfectly.  Maybe there was a book tie in with the
cartoon.  Cartoon Network (I think) was rerunning these a while back.

Here's two URLs that might provide further info...

http://www.yesterdayland.com/popopedia/shows/saturday/sa1290.php

http://www.80snostalgia.com/classictv/dandd/

Laura Smith

At 10:10 AM 9/27/02 -0500, Lori Bonner wrote:

>Please help.  We have a patron who is looking for a book he read about
>twenty years ago and his description is not ringing a bell with any of
>us so...
>
>There are several main characters, a jock, a nerd and a prissy girl.
>They are thrown into another dimension while riding a roller coaster and
>must try and discovery the way back to ? reality, earth ?  There are
>dragons and swords in the alternate dimension.  The jock is the leader
>and the nerd is/becomes a wizard.
>
>Anybody have any ideas???
>
>TIA
>
>Lori Bonner
>Clearwater Memorial Public Library
>P.O. Box 471
>Orofino, ID  83544
>208-476-3411

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From: jandersen@carmel.lib.in.us (Jennifer Andersen)
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: student observation policy
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:58:18 CDT

Frannie and Others,

This question interests me.  We do not have such a policy and I'm
interested in finding out why a library would have such a policy.  We do
get requests and we always honor them.  It does create a little more work
as we have to talk to the student and also come up with a list of
objectives for what we want our storytime to accomplish.  I think this is
great as it makes me sit back and think about why I incorporate certain
elements into my storytime.  After awhile it just becomes natural and I no
longer think about my objectives, so it is good to remember them every once
and awhile.

I also wondered, why would a student request to observe a storytime unless
it was part of a homework assignment?  But then I thought, why should it
matter if they are or are not a MLS/Education student.  With there being a
fear there will be a shortage of librarians in the next ten years or so,
anyone observing would get to see how much fun we have and it may interest
them (if they aren't taking a class) to look into librarianship as a career.

Just a few rambling thoughts on a dreary rainy Friday morning.

:-)
I'm interested in seeing what others think!

Jennifer Andersen


>Dear Collective Minds,
>
>Do any of you have a policy about student teachers or student M.L.S.
>students observing in your library?  For example, do you require the
college
>student to produce their valid I.D. and a syllabus proving that the
>observation is a requirement?
>
>Thank you,
>
>Frannie
>
>
>
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                               |"We're fortunate you know.
Jennifer L. Andersen           |Too many people in this
Children's Services Librarian  |world spend their lives
Carmel Clay Public Library     |doing work that doesn't
55 4th AVE SE                  |really matter in the great
Carmel, IN 46032               |scheme of things.  But
317-844-3363 or 814-3917       |bringing children and books
jandersen@carmel.lib.in.us     |together does matter.  And
fax: 317-571-4285              |we get to do it."
       |    --Katherine Paterson
************************************************************

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From: "Carol Edwards" <edwarc@mx.pon.net>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: First-name basis patrons??
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:58:25 CDT


Hello Everyone,
I have always asked my kids to call me by my first name since that is the
name I know them by. I have another reason, and that's a security or safety
factor. In today's world there are many creeps and slimy folk hanging out at
the library and I don't want them to know my last name and my first name and
be able to find me at home. I know librarians who have been harassed and it
is not fun.

I really resent it when teachers and other well meaning people come up and
start calling me Mrs Edwards or Ms Edwards. Sometimes a particularly
unsavory character is lurking about, and I am edgy for a few days later. We
would never publish a child's full name or post it in our libraries without
permission, and that is for the exact same safety reasons. I like to think
that I can decide what I want to called. I, of course, respect what others
ask for themselves.

I spend 40 hours a week in the public eye, dealing with all the folks of all
types who walk in the door, and I work HARD at being welcoming, helpful and
friendly to each and every one. One of the resons I can do that is that I
don't have to worry about my personal safety. In our library, you can choose
to have a name tag with a pseudonym, and quite a few people make that
choice. We have had Virignia Woolf, May Sarton and many others working here
from time to time. I don't go quite that far, but I certainly understand it.

Things change. What used to be a sign of respect-- the use of the
appropriate title and the last name--- now makes us vulnerable. Just another
point of view to consider.
Ciao, Carol

Carol Edwards
Sonoma County Library
Santa Rosa, CA


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Gruninger, Laura" <lgruning@MCL.org>
Reply-To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Date:  Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:05:11 CDT

>I realized the other day that slowly over time, I've begun calling the
>parents who come to storytime programs by their first names. Before
>working in youth services I was in reference for many years, and with a
>few exceptions, always addressed our regulars as "Mr., Mrs., Your
>excellency, etc."  I'm hoping the patrons don't see this as
>disrespectful. The little kids always call me "Miss Laura" and the
>parents refer to me this way  in front of the kids. Some of the moms
>simply tell me their first names, and I always tell them "I'm Laura"
>whens they ask my name. (I always did this in reference too.) Mostly I
>am the same age as they are, which I think contributes to this. When I
>am talking with them as a group, they refer to one another by first
>name, so it would be awkward for me to ask about "Mrs. so-and-so's new
>baby", etc. I always refer to myself as Mrs...in writing, and refer to
>my co-workers as Mrs./Mr. when referring patrons to them.
>One thing I know is bound to happen is that as the kids grow older, I'll
>be a middle aged "Miss Laura" when they come in to ask for help on their
>college entrance essays.
>Do the rest of you call patrons by their first name?
>
>Laura Gruninger, Children's Librarian
>Mercer County Library System, Lawrence HQ
>Lawrenceville, NJ 08648
>lgruning@mcl.org
>
>



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From: Sandra Strandtmann <sandras@juneau.lib.ak.us>
To: "PUBYAC \(E-mail\)" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Harry Potter
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:05:57 CDT


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-421325,00.html

JK says it's ready.

Sandra Strandtmann, Juneau Public Libraries
292 Marine Way, Juneau, AK 99801
mailto:sandras@juneau.lib.ak.us

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From: Greg Ullman <gullman@ci.covina.ca.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Quote of the Week
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I said:
---------------------------(quote)-------------------------
I'm thinking of posting a "quote of the week" from a recommended Young Adult
novel on the wall in my Young Adult area to act as a teaser and get them to
read the book.  Preferably a humorous line from the book, so that even if
the book isn't available right away, they will look forward to visiting the
YA area and reading a new joke each week.  Has anyone already compiled a
list of humorous or memorable lines from current YA novels?
----------------------------(close quote)------------------

A few days ago I posted the results I received so far and asked for more,
but I didn't realize that my e-mail address didn't appear with my latest
message.  Well, here it is:

gullman@ci.covina.ca.us

Thanks for your help,
-- Greg Ullman
Covina Public Library (Calif.)

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From: "Linda Peterson" <lpeterson@bloomfield.lib.in.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: First-name basis patrons??
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:06:16 CDT

I usually let my patrons guide me by how they introduce themselves. I prefer
the Mis Linda for the rpivacy issue myself. We always laugh at halloween, if
a goblin calls me Miss Linda. We know it's a story hour child.  :-)
Linda Peterson
Bloomfield-Eastern Greene County Public Library
125 South Franklin
Bloomfield, Indiana 47424
Phone: (812)384-4125
Fax: (812)384-0820
email: lpeterson@bloomfield.lib.in.us

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From: "teresa lamorte" <imtess0@lycos.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:06:22 CDT

How about putting on an extra class, say with 15 minutes in between?
--

On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:09:36
 laanders wrote:
>We have just begun doing sign-ups for our special programs.  For the Junie
>B. Jones program, there were 31 children signed up, and 61 came!  What do
>you do in a similar situation?  I have trouble seeing myself telling
someone
>they can't come in, but I need to know ahead of time how many things I will
>need.
>It's a problem!
>
>Linda Anderson, Nashville
>
>


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From: Beth Tarr <bethtarr@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: graphic novels
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:06:28 CDT

--- RoseMary Honnold <honnolro@oplin.lib.oh.us> wrote:
> You might want to subscribe to GNLIB-L@topica.com ,
> a list serv devoted to
> graphic novels and comics in libraries! 

I've tried to join that list twice, at two different
email addresses, but the confirmation email never came
to either one.  Is there something I'm missing?

--Beth



=====
"They're confiscating my books."
"Giles, we need those books."
"Believe me, I tried to tell that to the nice man with the big gun."
~Giles and Buffy, in "Gingerbread"

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From: Natasha Forrester <stingme2x@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: storytime help
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:06:34 CDT



I'm doing a pajama themed storytime for preschoolers and I need some
suggestions for songs, action songs, and fingerplays.  Any ideas?

Please email me at stingme2x@yahoo.com and I'll compile and post on the
list.


"Because that's what Hermione does," said Ron, shrugging.  "When in doubt,
go to the library."
~ Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, J.K. Rowling

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From: Allison Peters <apeters@jefferson.lib.co.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: booktals
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:06:41 CDT

Hi all,
I use Patrick Jone's book: "Connecting Young Adults and Libraries: a
how-to-do-it manual" when preparing booktalks.  He provides excellent
descriptions of booktalks, as well as examples.  Also, he gives a whole
alphabet of of ideas and styles for booktalks to help us put some variety
into our work.  It's a great resource!

Allison 

Allison Peters
Children's Services Librarian
Belmar Library
Jefferson County Public Library
555 S. Allison Parkway
Lakewood City Commons
Lakewood, CO 80226
phone (720) 963-0900 ext. 2
apeters@jefferson.lib.co.us

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From: "Christine Montgomery" <christine.montgomery@lpl.london.on.ca>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: unregistered kids and programs
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:06:47 CDT

Linda wrote:

We have just begun doing sign-ups for our special programs.  For the Junie
B. Jones program, there were 31 children signed up, and 61 came!  What do
you do in a similar situation?  I have trouble seeing myself telling =
someone
they can't come in, but I need to know ahead of time how many things I =
will
need.
It's a problem!
**************************************************

Linda:

I have had this problem too.  When unregistered people sign up for =
programs at our branch, they are turned away.  As much as I hate to do =
this, it is necessary because I only make up so many crafts, activities =
etc for the number of registered kids I have.  Having said this, I always =
make a few extras because sometimes just one or two extra kids show up and =
I will admit them.  I know, I know, it's not consistent but that's what I =
do! =20

As the families enter the program room, I check off each child's name.  I =
have found that this discourages the drop-ins, once they see what I am =
doing and they often leave without even speaking to me.  If they linger =
and then ask to come in, I tell them that the program is full, that all =
participants are pre-registered and that I hope in the future that they =
will register for our programs so that I won't have to turn them away. =20

Hope this helps,

Christine





Christine Montgomery
Byron Branch Library
1295 Commissioners Rd. West
London, ON  N6K 1C9
(519) 471-4000
Christine.Montgomery@lpl.london.on.ca

"Librarians possess a vast store of politeness.
  These are people who get asked regularly the dumbest
   questions on God's green earth. These people tolerate
   every kind of crank and eccentric and mouth-breather
   there is." (Garrison Keillor)=20

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From: "Clare Meehan" <clare329@earthlink.net>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
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    Sounds good, but I have a problem with it.  By not giving stickers to
those chidren who are late you're penalizing them for something completely
out of their control.  The kids are not responsible for getting there on
time.  Now if you can come up with a prize the parents will wont to work
for...

Clare Meehan
Carol Stream Public Library
Carol Stream,IL
clare329@earthlink.net


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>From: Smith <lsmith@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>To: PUBYAC <PUBYAC@prairienet.org>
>Subject: latecomers
>Date: Thu, Sep 26, 2002, 7:02 PM
>

> The previous post describing giving door prizes to adults who come on time
> for a meeting gave me an idea.
>
> At the start of storytime, hand out "on time" stickers to everyone who is
> there.
> They could be leftover Summer Reading Club stickers or from some place
> like Smilemakers.
>
> Anyone who arrives after the program has begun doesn't get one.
>
> (If anyone tries this, let the list know how it worked)
>
> Lisa Smith
> lsmith@suffolk.lib.ny.us
>

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From: "Nicole Conradt" <nconradt@cooney.lib.wi.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: latecomers
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I think a special activity would work better.  The children are quite
innocent and perhaps they would be confused as to why everyone else got
a sticker.  This is only punishing the children- when in fact it is up
to the parents to get them there on time.  I would do a special
introduction with a puppet instead.  This way the early ones get a
special treat and the late comers may not know what they missed but upon
seeing it once, may try to get there on time.
Nicole Conradt
Oconomowoc Public Library, WI

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pubyac@prairienet.org [mailto:owner-pubyac@prairienet.org]
On Behalf Of Smith
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 7:02 PM
To: PUBYAC
Subject: latecomers

The previous post describing giving door prizes to adults who come on
time
for a meeting gave me an idea.

At the start of storytime, hand out "on time" stickers to everyone who
is
there.
They could be leftover Summer Reading Club stickers or from some place
like Smilemakers.

Anyone who arrives after the program has begun doesn't get one. 

(If anyone tries this, let the list know how it worked)

Lisa Smith
lsmith@suffolk.lib.ny.us

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From: tzignego@wcfls.lib.wi.us
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Subject: Re: Sign-ups for programs
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:07:10 CDT

Dear Linda,
I had a similar situation last week at a Junie B Jones party.  I had
registered 40 children & had a waiting list.  People just showed up, claimed
they didn't know they were to register.  We only had 8 extra kids, so I sent
someone to buy more juice boxes & donuts.  The crafts were very easy, so I
quickly got a few more ready.  I was unprepared for this because usually we
have at least 10 no-shows for a registered program.  If you are just
starting to register for special programs, it takes people a while to catch
on.  Also depending on the size of your program room (ours is smallish)
people will get frustrated if it's so crowded & crazy, and possible stop
coming.  If you can get your circ people to be dilligent about mentioning
the need for registration, that might help too. If things don't improve, you
could have a staff member at the door, crossing names off of the
registration list.  Those who are not registered will only be allowed in if
there are no-shows.  I know that's really hard to do.  I don't like to turn
kids away either.

Terry Zignego

----- Original Message -----
From: laanders@bellsouth.net
Date: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:09 am
Subject: Sign-ups for programs

> We have just begun doing sign-ups for our special programs.  For
> the Junie
> B. Jones program, there were 31 children signed up, and 61 came!
> What do
> you do in a similar situation?  I have trouble seeing myself
> telling someone
> they can't come in, but I need to know ahead of time how many
> things I will
> need.
> It's a problem!
>
> Linda Anderson, Nashville
>
>

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From: stowkids <stowkids@oplin.lib.oh.us>
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Subject: Re: Lemony Snicket program
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:07:18 CDT

Just wanted to add that we did our Lemony Snicket party on Friday the 13th
of
September!  We had a blast.  The kids had a bubblegum blowing contest, an
online trivia contest, a spelling bee, and made disguises out of felt and
chenile stems!  We had "dirt" and gummy worms for desert, lemon drops and
lemonade and candy eyeballs (filled with chocolate, peanut butter or carmel)
which were easily found thanks to being so close to Halloween.  Great trivia
can be found on the internet for contests. I even learned alot of the
anagrams
and literary allusions that I didn't catch, which I'm usually great at
catching.  Lydia Gamble   Head, Children's Dept.  Stow-Munroe Falls Public
Library

laanders@bellsouth.net wrote:

> You all have been so helpful to me, I just wanted to share what we did for
> our Lemony Snicket program.
>
> We (the children's department) joined the young adult libarian in planning
> and presenting the program, feeling that a wide variety of ages might
come.
> We also wanted to use the meeting room rather than the story room, so
older
> children wouldn't hesitate to come.
>
> We first met in the story room, to "sort" the children into groups-
Violet,
> Klaus, Sunny, or Count Olaf, using colored star stickers.  We also offered
> "eye" stamps (rubber stamp made by local company, washable ink)- for the
> left ankle, of course.
>
> We then moved to the meeting room, where several stations (tables) were
set
> up.
> There were word find sheets, "secret in a message" sheets, sites from the
> different books to draw maps of, a "hacking" (coughing) contest, "guess
how
> many lemon drops in the jar," a scavenger hunt using reference books, and
> play dough for making creatures- snakes, leeches, etc.  As each team
> completed a station, they came to me to have an eye stamp put on their
> paper. There was also a table with the Series of Unfortunate Events books,
> and other books in the "if you liked this, try this" category.
>
> We then went back to the story room for a trivia contest and refreshments
> (frobscottle- remember The BFG by Dahl?, lemonade for the less
adventurous,
> foot cookies, lemon bars, gummy worms, "eye" crackers made with olives,
> etc.)
> They got points for everything, and there were prizes for everyone.
>
> Scholastic's Classroom Activity Kit (a pamphlet)and the official (and
> unofficial) Lemony Snicket web sites were a great help, as well as all of
> your suggestions.
>
> We had 27 attend, and everyone seemed to have a great time.
>
> Linda Anderson, Nashville

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From: "Denise P. Stout" <dpstout@ccls.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: sensitive child
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:07:24 CDT

Thank you everyone for your great suggestions!  This is a toughy.  =
Everyone's suggestions seem to be the same:  have a picture of me taken =
- during a storytime - so that the staff of the center can help prepare =
the child ahead of my visit; and to change my appearance somehow.  Well, =
the picture thing is easy and we'll definately look into doing that.  =
The staff is working with her and I am not the only person she reacts =
to, but I do look enough like her abusive mother to really trigger her =
fear.  One of the staff members is her stepmother and she's the one who =
made the connection.  Otherwise, we may not have been able to get to the =
root of the problem.  They have been working with her and want me to be =
part of the solution because when she does finally calm down she does =
have some fun. =20

So, maybe a fun storytime hat or something would work too.  My hair is =
short and, frankly, the color changes often enough that we all joke =
about it now (nothing too unprofessional, but I do like change!) so =
changing the hairstyle happens on a regular basis.  I would like to =
visit more often, but the schedule doesn't allow for it.  I've given up =
on puppets for a very similar reason - many very young children are =
afraid of puppets, esp of ones that have any association with dogs - if =
the child has a fear of dogs than anything small and furry can set that =
one off.  I learned that the hard way too.  I just hope the hat I might =
choose doesn't do something similar.  When you visit over 1000 children =
a month, you get all kinds!

Keep those suggestions coming!


Denise M. Pulgino Stout
Youth Services Outreach Librarian
Chester County Library
610-280-2672
dpstout@ccls.org
Why do dragons have long tails?  They can't remember short stories!
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.  Inside of a dog, it's =
too
dark to read."  Groucho Marx

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From: Janet Birckhead <jbirckhead@lmxac.org>
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:07:31 CDT

I responded earlier with a breakdown of Children's vs. YA at our library (Ch
birth to Gr. 6/YA Gr. 7+).  But, to address the issue of CDs, we have
purchased
a number of CDs with parental advisory stickers (although, since selection
responsibility  has just changed, I don't know whether we will continue to
do
so), but circulation of CDs with parental advisory stickers is restricted to
ages 18+.

For my own information and that of the parents and kids, I have started to
write
the interest level, when known, on the back flyleaf of the book.

Christine Dalgetty wrote:

> > We are trying to deal with this issue at our library as well (Its on our
> agenda for
> thursday actually!)  We are a medium sized public library whose children's
> department has
> traditionally served up to grade 9.  What we are finding is that with
> developing a YA
> colection with programs, av collections etc our users are younger than we
> had thought.
> Our teen card is for grades 9-12 but our teen users are much younger. With
a
> facility
> expansion planned in the next 2 years we need to identify the user group
and
> allocate
> space and resources accordingly. Our staff seem reluctant to encourage
> younger yYAs to
> use the YA collection because of the "adult themes" that a lot of the
> material deals
> with.  Also our YA collection includes 14+ videos and we have an ongoing
> discussion about
> whether they are appropriate for YAs.  Our selectors will not purchase CDs
> with parental
> warnings on them for this reason and as a result our CD collection does
not
> reflect what
> they really want. I would love to hear some feedback on this issue,either
on
> the list or
> email at dalgettyc@bpl.on.ca
> Thanks,
> Christine Dalgetty
> Youth Services
> Burlington Public Library
> Burlington, ON
> CANADA
>
> I am have started a YA booktalk for ages 13-18. It is the first program we
> > have had for YA's and I am curious as to what age other librarries start
> at.
> > I only had two 13 year olds come the first time (yesterday was the first
> > meeting) . I have had responses from 12 year olds but the literature
says
> > that you should be cleat that your program is only for YA's or it will
get
> > the reputation as a children's program and they will not come. Recently
I
> > read in Patrick Jones book that he considered 12 year old to be YA. He
> > doesn't really say you should include them in YA programming, but that
> kids
> > are reading more advanced books these days. In another book 14. Before I
> > consider changing my age limit what do other libraries consider YA.
> >
>
> Christine Dalgetty
> Youth Services
> Burlington Public Library
> 2331 New Street
> Burlington, ON
> L7R 1J4
> (905)639-3611 x 132

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From: "Christine L. Tyner" <tynercl@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Pumpkin painting--Responses
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:07:37 CDT

Thank you to all who came through with suggestions for
my pumpkin painting program. I had several people
suggest acrylic paint and then have the kids outline
it with black marker at home. I included the responses
because many had money-saving suggestions, too. Thank
you all.

Responses:
I would recommend a poster water base paint.  Have you
thought of asking farmers in the area if they would
donate say two or three each?  Say you ask
15 farmers and each donates two you have 30 pumpkins.
You could even have a judging for the best decorated
pumpkin.  Even get the librarians to all
pitch in for a pumpkin to decorate the front of the
building.

Karen Scott
Lubbock,Tx

Acrylic Craft paints work well.  You can often find
them on sale in craft stores or discount stores.  They
are easy to "serve up" by squeezing a small
amount on styrofoam plates for a palette.  Quick
drying and water clean up.

RoseMary Honnold
Coshocton Public Library
655 Main ST
Coshocton, OH 43812
740-622-0956

Hi.  I'm not sure about the cost, but paint pens work
very well for pumpkin decorating and there is less
mess involved if you're dealing with younger
kids.  Wal-Mart sells paint pens in their art/crafts
section.  Hope this helps.

Becky Stiles
Nantahala Regional Library System
Murphy, NC

Parent's Magazine has a feature on halloween and one
of the projects is to paint butternut squash. it tells
what kind of prep and paint, so it should be helpful.
i'd tell you the details, but my copy is at home!
it is the most current issue, october, i believe.

anie

Hello,

I've used tempra paint, but it does tend to flake off.
 Permanent markers work well.  I would think acrylic
paints would work well, but they might be
a little pricey.

Allison
Allison J. Enger, MSLIS
Community Librarian
Dundee Branch Library
(734) 529-3310 phone/fax

I worked at a branch in Dallas that had a Halloween
fair with pumpkin "painting."  They provided miniature
pumpkins, you can buy these in bags like potatoes, and
markers.  The kids colored them any which way they
wanted and took them home.

Hope this helps!

Sara K Joiner
Children's Coordinator
Brazoria County Library System
131 E. Live Oak
Angleton, TX  77515
979.864.1505
sjoiner@bcls.lib.tx.us

The October issue of Martha Stewart Living has a
section on painting pumpkins. I believe she used
acrylics but what I liked best is that she
used those tiny little pumpkins. I was thinking of a
pumpkin program at my library but we can't use paints
so we will be using marking pens.

Roxane Wilson
Sonoma County Library

Hi Christine,

At the last library where I worked, we decorated
gourds for Halloween. Acrylic paint is what we used as
well as pom-poms, feathers, etc. for
decoration.  The kids loved them!  Have fun!

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 Theresa Faris
 Children's Librarian
 Round Rock Public Library System
 Robert G. and Helen Griffith Building
 tfaris@round-rock.tx.us

Hello,
At my previous job, we did pumpkin painting each year
with great success.  The kids brought their own
pumpkin as well.  We had a person on staff who sold
painted pumpkins and she taught the kids how to do it.
 She said to always use acrylic paints.  They go on
better and last longer. 
Another tip she had was to let the paint dry then
outline the face with felt marker.  (We had the kids
do this at home, we didn't make them waith for the
paint to dry at the library).  This works better than
outlining with black paint because there is less
chance of the black running and ruining the painting.


Hope this helps,
Have Fun!
Elizabeth

Elizabeth Davis
Children's Librarian
Memphis/Shelby Co. Public Library
clackamas@email.com

We have used acryclic paints with the best results.
Tempera will work but doesn't look as nice.
Maybe some store/farm would donate pumpkins in return
for the publicity. When we did this, our Friends'
group paid for them.
 
Lynda M. Gamble
Youth Services Librarian
Peace Dale Library
1057 Kingstown Rd.
Peace Dale, RI 02883
http://204.17.98.73/Skilib

We've done pumpkin painting here for many years.  You
need to use an acrylic craft paint (can get
inexpensive brands at Michaels and Wal-Mart).  You
might give the kids of ideas of what to do first and
then have them draw the faces on the pumpkins first
with black pen.  We squeeze 3-4 colors of paint into
foil pans and let them go.  When the pumpkins are dry,
tell the kids to outline the faces in black felt tip
marker so they really show up.  However, most of our
kids get so carried away that the entire pumpkin is
painted but they always have a marvelous
time.  Any more info needed, e-mail me.

Bonnie Warren
Clackamas County Library
Oak Grove, OR  97071
bonnielw@lincc.lib.or.us



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From: "Clare Meehan" <clare329@earthlink.net>
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:07:45 CDT

    In my department we have the kids call us Miss, Mrs. or Mr. and our last
name.  It was this way when I got here and was fine with me.

    My nametag has my first name on it so sometimes parents will refer to me
that way in talking to their children (e.g. "Tell Clare thank you.")  In
these situations I just smile and say to the child "Please call me Miss
Meehan."  When parent's have asked what I want to be called, I let them know
that I'd like the children to call me Miss Meehan, but that they, the parent
are welcome to call me Clare. I would never presume to call them by their
first name without being invited to.  I always call people Miss, Mrs. or Mr.
The exception to this has happened when I've had a regular patron call more
than once and identify themselves by their first name.

    After reading responses to this question, I'm surprised by how many
people have said that they call people by their first name unless directed
otherwise.  This seems backwards to me.  I'm just thinking of how that would
sit with my mother's generation.  There have also been instances when I've
been addressed like this by a stranger and it just didn't sit right.  I
think it would be much more uncomfortable for someone to ask you NOT to use
their first name than it would be for them to invite you to use it if they
were so inclined.

    I also don't think age should matter.  If someone is an adult, I'd be
inclined to use the title.

Clare Meehan
Carol Stream Public Library
Carol Stream,IL
clare329@earthlink.net


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>From: "Gruninger, Laura" <lgruning@MCL.org>
>To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
>Subject: First-name basis patrons??
>Date: Thu, Sep 26, 2002, 7:05 PM
>

> I realized the other day that slowly over time, I've begun calling the
> parents who come to storytime programs by their first names. Before
> working in youth services I was in reference for many years, and with a
> few exceptions, always addressed our regulars as "Mr., Mrs., Your
> excellency, etc."  I'm hoping the patrons don't see this as
> disrespectful. The little kids always call me "Miss Laura" and the
> parents refer to me this way  in front of the kids. Some of the moms
> simply tell me their first names, and I always tell them "I'm Laura"
> whens they ask my name. (I always did this in reference too.) Mostly I
> am the same age as they are, which I think contributes to this. When I
> am talking with them as a group, they refer to one another by first
> name, so it would be awkward for me to ask about "Mrs. so-and-so's new
> baby", etc. I always refer to myself as Mrs...in writing, and refer to
> my co-workers as Mrs./Mr. when referring patrons to them.
> One thing I know is bound to happen is that as the kids grow older, I'll
> be a middle aged "Miss Laura" when they come in to ask for help on their
> college entrance essays.
> Do the rest of you call patrons by their first name?
>
> Laura Gruninger, Children's Librarian
> Mercer County Library System, Lawrence HQ
> Lawrenceville, NJ 08648
> lgruning@mcl.org
>

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