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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:01 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 1073


    PUBYAC Digest 1073

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) RE: soldiers addresses
by "Bridges, Linda" <BridgesL@liveoakpl.org>
  2) Re: Computer usage
by karen maletz <kmlib@yahoo.com>
  3) Re: Summer Reading Program
by "Melissa MacLeod" <mmacleod@sailsinc.org>
  4) Library dress codes & IN performers
by "Jamie Holtsclaw" <jholtscl@in-span.net>
  5) Re: soldiers addresses
by nkoebel@birchard.lib.oh.us
  6) RE: Summer Reading Club (what else?) questions
by "Minkel, Walter (RBI-US)" <WMinkel@reedbusiness.com>
  7) Thanks!
by "Michele Farley" <mfarley@brownsburg.lib.in.us>
  8) Summer reading questions
by Judy Looby <jrlooby@yahoo.com>
  9) religious concerns about Harry Potter
by Cindy Christin <christin@mtlib.org>
 10) check list for assessing books
by "L.Marsh" <lmarsh@nstc.library.ns.ca>
 11) shadow puppet stage
by "Kim Dolce" <kdolce@co.volusia.fl.us>
 12) Re: Summer Reading Club (what else?) questions
by Jeanne Smith <jsmith@cromaine.org>
 13) Re: Summer Reading Club (what else?) questions
by Debra Allen <kidsbooks2002@yahoo.com>
 14) RE: Camping books bib request
by JANE BAIRD <lijhb@library.ci.anchorage.ak.us>
 15) Stumper solved--lost raccoon
by "SARAH DORNBACK" <SARAH.DORNBACK@farmersbranch.info>
 16) stumper: little boy with little toy drum
by Cathy Sullivan Seblonka <cathys@uproc.lib.mi.us>
 17) Stumper: Invisible Glass
by "Kathleen Conger" <kathleen.conger@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
 18) Coraline Discussion Questions
by "Marnie Colton" <coltonium@hotmail.com>
 19) High Circulating Items
by "deborah campbell" <deborah_campbell@hotmail.com>
 20) RE: Children's software contract for Gates grant computers
by "David Winkler-Schmit" <dschmit@gno.lib.la.us>

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From: "Bridges, Linda" <BridgesL@liveoakpl.org>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: soldiers addresses
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Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 20:53:31 CST

The husband of one of our children's librarians is a chaplain in the Army
and is currently in the Middle East.  Sherri tells me that an influx of mail
addressed to "any soldier" (as opposed to a specific one) will not be
delivered because of safety issues and will only slow down the mail
addressed to specific military personnel.  She suggests that we show our
support for our troops through the USO.  The web site is www.uso.org.

Linda Bridges
Effingham County Children's Librarian
Live Oak Public Libraries
P.O. Box 189
Springfield, GA
phone 912-754-3003
fax 912-754-9494
bridgesl@liveoakpl.org

www.liveoakpl.org

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From: karen maletz <kmlib@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Computer usage
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Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 20:53:46 CST

We keep a looseleaf open with 2 pages per day, one for
internet use and one for the computers with games and
word processing. The children put down their first
name & phone # if they are signing up in advance (in
case the computers go down or there's a problem). They
sign up for an hour at a time (except for the last
hour that we're open each day when they only get 45
minutes because we close the computers 15 minutes
before the library closes.) If they are word
processing a report, they can ask for 2 hours. For the
internet, they can only sign up for that day. For the
other computers, they can sign up up to a week in
advance. Hope this helps.
--- Michele Farley <mfarley@brownsburg.lib.in.us>
wrote:
>
> Our director has asked that we begin to keep
> statistics on our computer
> usage here in the Children's Dept.  At this time we
> do not require any
> type of sign-up for children to use the computers to
> play games, so we
> are looking for ways to best keep track.  Do any of
> you keep stats on
> usage like this?  If so, how?  Thanks in advance!
> Michele
>


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From: "Melissa MacLeod" <mmacleod@sailsinc.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Summer Reading Program
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Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 20:53:54 CST

That is what we do here also, recently supplemented by weekly raffles of
items donated by community businesses. Every child gets a free book, and for
the past two years I have been able to offer everyone a prize as well,
mainly because I have a very generous woman who owns a local ice cream
establishment. Good lcuk to all, Melissa, Carver, MA


----- Original Message -----
From: "Margaret Siebert" <psiebert12508@yahoo.com>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: Summer Reading Program


>
> Our children certainly think a book is a good gift. We used to give a gift
> certificate, but found that too often the parents had to chip in to pay
the
> difference if the child chose an expensive book. We switched to giving the
> books right here at the library. We bought a load of paperbacks and added
> some donated-but-in-mint-condition books. At the end of the summer we
> display them on tables in our community room. Each child gets to select
one,
> which he/she may get autographed by staff. This way they get the book
> directly from us, along with plenty of positive feedback and
> congratulations.
> Peg Siebert
> Blodgett Library
> Fishkill, NY
>
> Clearskies150@aol.com wrote:Hi everyone,
>
> I am in the stages of planning our Summer Reading Program (my first time)
> and I would like input on the end-of-the-summer gift. I understand that
the
> last 2 years here they gave out $5 gift certificates from a local
bookstore.
> I believe the parents were happy with that but I'm not sure if alot of
kids
> found thatto be an exciting gift.
> What kind of prizes have others given out at the end of the program? Any
> suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Mary-jo Zeising
> Hollis Social Library
> Hollis, NH 03049
> 603 465-7721
>

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From: "Jamie Holtsclaw" <jholtscl@in-span.net>
To: "Pubyac" <Pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Library dress codes & IN performers
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Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 20:54:03 CST

    My first question is for everyone.  Does your library's dress code
address summer concerns such as capri pants, women required to wear
stockings, coulotts/split skirts, etc?  We are trying to decide if this is
necessary.

    My second question is directed to other IN (posibly Cincinnati, OH)
librarians.  Has anyone had experience with either of these performers:
Frances Whitner and G. Douglass Owens. Frances is a general story teller and
Doug does programs on Dr. Benjamin Franklin.

    Thanks for your assistance!

Sincerely,

Jamie Holtsclaw
Children's Librarian
Greensburg Public Library

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From: nkoebel@birchard.lib.oh.us
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Subject: Re: soldiers addresses
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Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 20:54:12 CST

Yesterday, our local paper had Kim Kommando's weekly column, and her topic
was sending support messages to troops.

Here is the link:

http://cgi.thenews-messenger.com/cgi-bin/techwrapper.pl?URL=http://www.ganne
ttonline.com/e/advice/18000792.html&AFFIL=tnm

Nancy Koebel
Birchard Public Library of Sandusky County
nkoebel@birchard.lib.oh.us


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From: "Minkel, Walter (RBI-US)" <WMinkel@reedbusiness.com>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: Summer Reading Club (what else?) questions
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Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 20:58:36 CST

Susan-- Ah, this brings back memories for me. Persecuting cheaters never
works, plus it makes the SRP less fun. However, there should be a limit on
how many fast food coupons one reader can receive all summer long--I
recommend only one per fast-food place, which makes it more special, anyway.
I've never felt that kids should be able to receive tons of incentives,
because then each one they get means less to them, plus getting something
for every ten "books" the cheaters read encourages them to cheat more.

I feel that counting time is always better, because kids won't "read" piles
of books that are too easy for them to get incentives. You might also want
to think of alternatives. After kids get, say, three different incentives,
they're not eligible for more, BUT (and make a big deal about this) they can
read to donate money to local charities. The amount shouldn't be huge--the
kids can choose a charity (local animal shelter, the Red Cross, etc.), and
then for every ten hours they read, a few dollars are put in their charity
"account," & are sent to the charity in their name at the end of the summer.
(Handling all this could make for a good volunteer job.)

The $$ for a program like this can come from the Friends, or a request from
donations from library users, or a local service organization. I think
people will donate for a project like this: "Each dollar you donate will
motivate a child to read for __ hours." Plus you'll probably get lots of
parental & community support for a project like this, & kids who read to
donate will get lots of encouragement from adults.

(You could also make it a requirement that all books read for the donation
be library books, if your director would allow that.) Just an idea, W

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Walter Minkel, Technology Editor, School Library Journal
www.slj.com * wminkel@reedbusiness.com * 646-746-6721 * fax 646-746-6689


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From: Susan Harding [mailto:susanharding@email.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:25 PM
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Hello, all (I can already hear the groans rising--haven't we talked this to
death already?  Apparently not.)

At our library, we have always solicited coupons or items from area
merchants--which means a lot of fast-food type places.  We are seeing a
decline in such sponsorship, partly because of the economy but also because
of a few selfish families who cheat and abuse the system.[snip]...

Thanks,
Susan Harding
Mesquite Public Library, Texas
--

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From: "Michele Farley" <mfarley@brownsburg.lib.in.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Thanks!
Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 20:58:44 CST


Many, many thanks to Dorothy Williams, Beverly Kirkendall, Bonita Kale ,
Jennie Stoltz, Kim Dolce, Bonnie Dundas and Beverly Bixler for sending
me ideas about how to keep better computer usage stats.  We still have
not made a decision about how to do this, but I am glad to have the
information to present to my director.  Thanks again!!
Michele Farley

"Breed a Deerhound with a terrier, you get a Derriere.  True to the
end!" ~ Good Dog!

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From: Judy Looby <jrlooby@yahoo.com>
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: Summer reading questions
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Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 20:58:51 CST

We have always had the restriction of counting library
books only.  We figure the SRP has a dual purpose:
promoting reading and promoting the library.  Since
we've always done it this way, people don't have a
problem with it.  We want people to get in the habit
of using the library, and this is one way of reaching
that goal.  We have also always counted number of
books for the goal in SRP, but we are changing to
number of minutes this summer.  I try to keep things
as simple as possible, so I wouldn't want to try to do both.

=====
Judy Looby
Charleston Public Library
Charleston, IL

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From: Cindy Christin <christin@mtlib.org>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: religious concerns about Harry Potter
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Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 20:59:02 CST

I'm helping a college student find information on the concerns of certain
religious groups with the Harry Potter series, and I remember a librarian
posting a very articulate and informative explanation of why many people
choose not to read Harry Potter. I remember her being a librarian and a
Christian, and the article really helped me understand my patrons who did
not want their children reading Harry. I have lost the original post and
wondered if anyone saved it, or if the librarian who wrote it might still
have a copy. I've found lots of other information on both sides of the
issue, but nothing that was as succinct as this piece.

Thanks. . . please e-mail me directly.

Cindy Christin
Children's Librarian
Bozeman Public Library
220 E. Lamme
Bozeman, Montana 59715
406-582-2404
FAX 406-582-2424
christin@mtlib.org

"Choose a job you love and you will never have to work a day in your life."
Confucius

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From: "L.Marsh" <lmarsh@nstc.library.ns.ca>
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: check list for assessing books
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Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 20:59:09 CST

Hi everyone,
I am currently working on a family literacy project that has linked public
libraries with schools, family resource centres, learning associations and
literacy organizations in order to develop a good practices document and an
action plan to establish a network of support for the advancement of family
literacy in this province.  At the last meeting of the working group there
was a discussion of the need for good resources in family literacy programs
and it became apparent that many resource centres and literacy programs
recieve donations of books and the staff and volunteers have no background
in assessing their quality.  I volunteered to put together a check list
that could be used as a guideline as to what to look for such as "Is the
book dated by content or style?"  Any and all suggestions will be
appreciated. 

Thanks in advance:)
Lynda



M.Lynda Marsh
Administrator Youth Services
Colchester-East Hants Regional Library
754 Prince Street
Truro, Nova Scotia
B2N 1G9
Telephone (902)895-1625
Fax (902)895-7149

"What we want is to see the child in pursuit of knowledge, and not
knowledge in pursuit of the child." George Bernard Shaw

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From: "Kim Dolce" <kdolce@co.volusia.fl.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: shadow puppet stage
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Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 20:59:18 CST

Hi;

Has anyone out there ever made a shadow puppet stage out of a refrigerator =
box? I want to make a shadow show for this summer and the stage that used =
to belong to the system is no longer around. I have an idea on what to do, =
but would like to hear from anyone who's actually done this so I can make =
sure I do it correctly!=20

TIA.


Kim E. Dolce
Children's Librarian
Port Orange Regional Library
Port Orange, FL  32129
kdolce@co.volusia.fl.us

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From: Jeanne Smith <jsmith@cromaine.org>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Summer Reading Club (what else?) questions
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Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 20:59:28 CST

I started this message to Susan's private email but decided to sent it
to the whole listserv as I am passionate about why we do summer reading
club.  Call me naive but I think we should be promoting READING during
the summer reading club.  I think our circ goes up in the summer because
we have some really good programs that bring the people in and while
here they check out books. 

When I became the dept head I very selfishly changed the procedure to
minutes read not books read.  My daughter (now 19 and in college) is
learning disabled in reading.  She never even wanted to start a summer
reading club because she knew she would never be able to read 10 or more
books to get a silly prize.  I think our 'relaxed' atphosphere at the
public library is perfect for kids who struggle, no tests, no book
reports ~ just read to enjoy and that may spark an interest.  And
reading 20 minutes a day starts a very good habit! I have a staff member
who is a former teacher and presents at conferences about learning
styles, etc and she said that having the children read for time not
number of books is the best thing for the child.  I was very pleased she
said that due to my selfish reasons!  I will tell you right now it has
been very popular but we do get parents complain because their child
reads all the time, that it's not hard to get them to read.  I tell them
that this is the time where that child can read a really long book,
maybe just 1-2 books during the summer and they will still get all the
prizes.

My other philosophy is to make life easy for parents (actually staff
too, don't want burn out of the staff!!!).  If we are so complicated -
who needs that in their life!
These are just a few of my thoughts, I realize I did not cover
everything Susan mentioned but it is time to get off my soapbox and go
to lunch.

Jeanne

--
Jeanne Smith
Head of Youth Services
Cromaine District Library
3688 N. Hartland Rd
P.O.Box 308
Hartland, MI 48353
(810)632-5200 ext. 3
fax (810)632-7351


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From: Debra Allen <kidsbooks2002@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Summer Reading Club (what else?) questions
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Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 20:59:37 CST

We used a system last year that helped limit the
number of incentives distributed by making the process
challenging.  Each child had a bingo-type card and
received a TCBY coupon for each row completed.  Each
space described a different kind of book that had to
be read:  biography, 398.2, 900's, 600's, fiction,
800's, non-fiction, mysteryetc.  I thought I would get
some friction from competitive parents, but instead
they thanked me for getting their kids out of their
ruts and helping them branch out.

Debbie Allen

=====
Debbie Allen
Children's Librarian
Starkville Public Library
Starkville, Mississippi

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From: JANE BAIRD <lijhb@library.ci.anchorage.ak.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: RE: Camping books bib request
Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 21:04:04 CST

I did a similar program a couple of summers ago.  We made a fake campfire,
laid out a sleeping bag, pretended to roast marshmallows, told ghost
stories and talked about wilderness safety and good local hiking trails.
It was tons of fun.

Jane Baird
Anchorage Municipal Libraries

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From: "SARAH DORNBACK" <SARAH.DORNBACK@farmersbranch.info>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Stumper solved--lost raccoon
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Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 21:04:13 CST

Thanks to Kelly who knew that the book about a third grader with a lost
stuffed raccoon is _Third Grade Detectives_ by Candice Ransom. 

Original stumper:
A chapter book about a girl named Amber in the third grade who loses
her stuffed raccoon (her "most prized possession" according to the
patron).  There may also be a character named "Delight" in the book. 

Sarah Dornback
Children's Librarian
Farmers Branch Manske Library
Farmers Branch, TX
sarah.dornback@farmersbranch.info

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From: Cathy Sullivan Seblonka <cathys@uproc.lib.mi.us>
To: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children
Subject: stumper: little boy with little toy drum
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Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 21:04:21 CST

I have another stumper.  You answered my last one to a lot of joy.

Does anyone remember a picture book my patron read in the late 70s/early
80s (they don't know if it was new or old then) that opens:
"There was a little boy with a little toy drum
Rat-a-tat, tat-a-tat Rum-a-tum-tum."

One day he went marching and he played on his drum
Rat-a-tat, tat-a-tat Rum-a-tum-tum."

...

Thanks for your help.

Peace, Cathy




Cathy Sullivan Seblonka
Youth Services Librarian
Peter White Public Library
217 N. Front St.
Marquette, MI 49855
(906) 228-9510
fax (906) 226-1783
e-mail: cathys@uproc.lib.mi.us

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From: "Kathleen Conger" <kathleen.conger@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Stumper: Invisible Glass
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Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 21:04:30 CST


I'm looking for a story, probably from the 1960's or before, involving
a boy who creates invisible glass or something similar. He builds a ramp
out of it, & drives a motorcycle or bicycle up the ramp.

I've shown the customer Homer Price, Centerburg tales, Danny Dunn, and
Henry Reed. He says these are all, good, close, and familiar-looking,
and he's leaving with a stack of books to read.

But if anyone out there knows the exact story where this occurs, please
send me an e-mail.

Thank you!
Kathleen

Kathleen Conger
Youth Services Librarian
Saint Paul Public Library

kathleen.conger@ci.stpaul.mn.us

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From: "Marnie Colton" <coltonium@hotmail.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Coraline Discussion Questions
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Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 21:04:37 CST

Hello,

I am doing a book discussion of Neil Gaiman's Coraline on Friday, April 11
and was wondering if anyone could either provide me with or direct me to
some questions related to it. Normally, I write the questions for book
discussions myself, but I am currently enrolled in a library training
program that has taken up a lot of my time and required me to be out of my
branch most of this week. I have searched on the Internet using Google and
not come up with anything; I went to HarperCollins' website, hoping for a
teacher's guide, but they haven't done one for Coraline yet. I would be very
grateful for any leads you could give me. In return, I will happily send you
the discussion questions I wrote for The View from the Cherry Tree by Willo
Davis Roberts. Even if you don't have a lead, I'll send them to anyone who
asks:)

Please send responses to my e-mail address at work: mcolton@epfl.net

Thank you!

Marnie Colton
Enoch Pratt Free Library, Hampden Branch
3641 Falls Road
Baltimore, MD 21211
Phone: 410-396-6043
Fax: 410-396-7052
mcolton@epfl.net




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From: "deborah campbell" <deborah_campbell@hotmail.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: High Circulating Items
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Date: Wed,  2 Apr 2003 21:06:22 CST

Thought we could all use a break, so how about sharing with the list your
highest circulating items.  Here in Loveland, a single copy of "Where the
Wild Things Are" received top honors librarywide by circulating 1038 times!
The book has since been retired but I wish we had kept it as living proof!
Our highest circulating video in the chilren's area is a copy of
"Charlotte's Web" that after 732 circulations is still in the collection.
Of the top 10 circulating items, 9 were located in the children's area!  The
only item from the adult side of the library to make the top 10 list was the
video set "I, Claudius."

Deborah Campbell
Youth Services Coordinator
Loveland Public Library
campbd@ci.loveland.co.us








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From: "David Winkler-Schmit" <dschmit@gno.lib.la.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: Children's software contract for Gates grant computers
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The difference is that for Louisiana the contract with Gates itself has =
expired along with the free children's software.  We did call Gates just =
to make sure and they confirmed this.  Your contract with Gates probably =
came after ours.  So, enjoy it while you can.  Take care.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kozloff, Rae [mailto:raek@cityofanacortes.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:27 PM
To: 'pubyac@prairienet.org'
Subject: Children's software contract for Gates grant computers


Last week there was a message on pubyac that a library's contract for
children's software on their Gates grant computers was going to end =
soon.  I
was concerned about this, since we also have Gates computers with Magic
School Bus software.  Our director called the Gates people and here is =
his
response to me about what he found out:

"I called Holly at Logistical Support 1-888-289-8989. The Children's
Software agreement will not expire. I would like you to post this on =
PUBYAC
and suggest that if people have questions about the software licensing =
they
call the toll free logistical support number for their state. There may =
be
some issues relating to the upgrade cycles. We should be getting =
upgrades in
August, but other states are starting them now. But, nobody should =
having
children's software agreements expire!"

Rae Kozloff
Anacortes Public Library, WA


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