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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:01 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 1120
PUBYAC Digest 1120
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: Library tours for elementary kids
by "Golly Odendaal" <legaleagle@cybertrade.co.za>
2) Go-Kart Plans
by "Sharon McDonald" <SMcDonald@minlib.net>
3) RE: how to do a book talk
by Edward Goldberg <mg48tcgrn@yahoo.com>
4) Re: Gross Humor
by nkoebel@birchard.lib.oh.us
5) Stumper: Mouse's Birthday
by "Regina M. Fabbro" <rfabbro@tln.lib.mi.us>
6) Reading with Rover/Literacy and Therapy Dogs
by "Florica Hagendorn" <fhagendorn@hdpl.org>
7) Re: Library tours for elementary kids
by N Korsavidis <nkorsavidis@yahoo.com>
8) Children's craft tables
by "Julia Aker" <jaker@japl.lib.in.us>
9) Re: Library tours for elementary kids (fwd)
by Julie Ann Rines <jrines@ocln.org>
10) In defense of gross humor
by frazer@noblenet.org
11) Re: Question: How does one do a book talk?
by vida lashgari <vidalashgari@yahoo.com>
12) RE: how to do a book talk
by "Katrina Neville" <KatrinaN@moval.org>
13) response to booktalk query
by Mary K Chelton <mchelton@optonline.net>
14) Re: Stumper: Prince-Magic mirror-Forest
by Jennifer Zachman <jzachman@julip.fcgov.com>
15) RE: how to do a book talk
by Jones Taylor Edwards <ya_core@yahoo.com>
16) Re: Summer jobs for media specialists?
by Fae Griffith <fgriffit@mail.win.org>
17) Re: microsoft.com virus
by "Melissa Rice" <mrice@webrary.org>
18) My 2 cents
by "April Mazza" <AMazza@minlib.net>
19) RE: how to do a book talk
by Nancy Sheehan <sheehan@noblenet.org>
20) Re: microsoft.com virus
by "Kim Dolce" <kdolce@co.volusia.fl.us>
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From: "Golly Odendaal" <legaleagle@cybertrade.co.za>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: Library tours for elementary kids
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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:28:06 CDT
Katrina
We usually tell the 6-upwards the difference between true stories and story
stories but when they have to start doing projects (normally 10) we start
with the catalogue and a simplified Dewey.
Golly Odendaal
Scottburgh library
KZN
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From: "Sharon McDonald" <SMcDonald@minlib.net>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Go-Kart Plans
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:28:17 CDT
Where do you find plans for making a go-kart? I get this question myself
every three years or so and am always inadequate. I have "The Buffy-
Porson, a Car You Can Build and Drive" (which doesn't have a motor,)
and "Midget Motoring and Karting" by McFarland (which was written in
1961, when the motors were still started with flint and steel)...
Please reply to me at smcdonald@minlib.net
and I'll post.
Thanks -
Sharon McDonald, Bedford Free Public Library, Bedford, MA
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From: Edward Goldberg <mg48tcgrn@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: RE: how to do a book talk
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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:28:26 CDT
The professional you speak about was absolutely right.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who asks a listserv a
question BEFORE doing research. And then we sit at
the reference desk and wonder whether we are
spoonfeeding a teenage patron rather than giving
him/her guidance and forcing him to do HIS OWN
research.
Having recently taken a reading motivation class, I
know for a fact that a query in any reasonable
database will provide a host of articles on book
talks. How about reading those first and then asking
our fellow librarians for helpful hints.
The response prompted me to make a resolution to ask a
quesion only after I've gotten some information in my
own.
Ed Goldberg
Syosset Public Library
mg48tcgrn@yahoo.com
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From: nkoebel@birchard.lib.oh.us
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Gross Humor
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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:28:34 CDT
The Center of Science and Industry (COSI) museum in Toledo just opened an
exhibit called Grossology - it's all about bodiy functions, especially the
slimy, gross ones. I predict it will be very popular with kids.
Nancy Koebel
Birchard Public Library of Sandusky County
nkoebel@birchard.lib.oh.us
----- Original Message -----
From: Anita Palladino <apalladi@ansernet.rcls.org>
Date: Friday, May 23, 2003 0:08 am
Subject: Re: Gross Humor
> WHY on earth would you want to do that? Kids find this 'junk' just
> fine on
> their own. There are plenty of humorous books that do not contain
> a high
> 'gross' factor. Perhaps you could aspire a bit higher?
>
> just my personal opinion...
>
>
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From: "Regina M. Fabbro" <rfabbro@tln.lib.mi.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Stumper: Mouse's Birthday
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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:28:42 CDT
I'm looking for a book with very basic text and large illustrations that
tells the story of a mouse who lives in a very small house. I believe
it's his birthday and one by one, all of his friends (barnyard animals)
come into his house to wish him a Happy Birthday. The friends get bigger
in size as the story progresses, until the small house finally blows apart
at the end -- maybe when the mouse blows out the candle on his birthday
cake? The end of the book shows the mouse in his now-large house.
Does
anyone have any ideas about this book?
Many thanks in advance for your help!
Regina Fabbro
Youth Services
Brighton District Library
Brighton, MI 48116
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From: "Florica Hagendorn" <fhagendorn@hdpl.org>
To: "pubyac@Prairienet. org"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Reading with Rover/Literacy and Therapy Dogs
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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:28:52 CDT
Dear Pubyac Friends,
Unfortunately, the packet information on the Henderson District Public
Libraries "Reading with Rover" program will not be finished when we
had
hoped. I have kept track of all of you that requested information. By late
fall this information should be ready and I will notify everyone at that
time.
If you are not sure if I have you on our mailing list or need advice prior
to this date on conducting a therapy dog literacy program feel free to call
me anytime.
Florica Hagendorn
Children's Specialist
Henderson District Public Libraries
Paseo Verde Library
280 S. Green Valley Pkwy.
Henderson, Nevada 89012
(702)492-6581
fhagendorn@hdpl.org
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From: N Korsavidis <nkorsavidis@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Library tours for elementary kids
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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:29:01 CDT
I agree with Stacey. I do tours for the Boy Scouts and
let them into tech processing. They love being where
"staff only" is allowed and I give them stats while
I'm there - how many books we get a month, how many
books are in the library. They're always amazed by it
all...
Natalie
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Natalie Korsavidis
Youth Services Librarian
Farmingdale Public Library
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From: "Julia Aker" <jaker@japl.lib.in.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Children's craft tables
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We have received some gift & memorial funds and are considering purchasing
some lightweight children's craft tables for our children's program room.
We would like some with adjustable legs, but the lightest we can find are 40
lbs. If you have any lightweight tables in your library that you love,
please share where you got them.
Julia Aker, Library Director
Jackson County Public Library
303 W. Second St.
Seymour, IN 47274
812-522-3412 ext. 223 voice
812-522-5456 fax
www.japl.lib.in.us
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From: Julie Ann Rines <jrines@ocln.org>
To: pubyac <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Library tours for elementary kids (fwd)
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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:29:21 CDT
This reminds me of an idea we had for a Between the Lions grant that
didn't get written (the building wasn't going to be finished before the
grant period). We were going to do a Book's Eye View of the new library
starting with having the school bus pull up to the loading dock door like
a UPS truck and leading then through the delivery area and Tech Servs and
then be "Delivered" to the various departments on the different floors
Children's, Adult Circulation and Reference and then down again to
Children's for a more in depth tour of that area and to read a story and
check out books and then out the front door as if they were books being
taken home.
As you can see this really wouldn't have worked in the middle of a
construction site!
Julie Rines
jrines@ocln.org
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From: frazer@noblenet.org
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: In defense of gross humor
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At our library, we recently made a display of "Silly, Scary, Funny,
Gross" books and put it right next to the computers. A middle school
student who uses the computers every day, but who I have never seen pick
up a book, stopped in his tracks to read one of the titles: Oh Yuck! by
Joy Masoff. The cover shows a boy picking his nose and the content
includes such topics as acne, snot, blood, and blisters. Classic
literature? Probably not. The point is that when children come to
the
library and see a display that matches their interests, it validates
those interests. They begin to see themselves as readers. At this
point, the children may go on to try new titles and grow as readers. Or
they might not. But if they aren't hooked by something in the first
place, there is no chance of growth. Given the choice of a child being a
nonreader or a child reading gross books with the potential for more in
the future, I'd chose the latter.
Aim higher? I can think of no higher aim than reaching as many children
as possible, especially those children whose interests and tastes do not
match our own and who are likely to be the most in need of support and
positive reinforcement.
- Meg Frazer
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Megan Frazer
Children's Librarian
Lucius Beebe Memorial Library
345 Main Street
Wakefield, MA 01880
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From: vida lashgari <vidalashgari@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Question: How does one do a book talk?
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:29:37 CDT
This is what I really love about GNM ~ sometimes the exact answers to ones
questions are not in a book and the extra TLC given is reassuring!! ~ Vida
Backwage@aol.com wrote:
That's an interesting question. I had to do a book talk the other
day, and it gave me a fright for the week leading up to the event. I don't
like to talk to groups larger than three-- I'm not shy, but I find that many
listeners distracting. At any rate, I didn't have the option to pick a good
book, because the book was mine, and that made the thing harder rather than
easier.
My advice is that you begin by reading a short, interesting passage
from the book, then give a bit of chat, followed by questions before going
to
a longer reading. Whatever you do, don't lose your train of thought or
you'll find yourself groping and wasting time. I suggest reading the
particular passage from a sheet of paper rather than directly from the book,
because it is easier to read enlarged text than a wiggling book when one is
holding it.
Bring a plastic bottle of water to drink. Your mouth may get dry,
and
you might knock over a glass. Try to relax. Don't drink too much coffee.
Remember that your mother will still love you.
M. McGrorty
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From: "Katrina Neville" <KatrinaN@moval.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: how to do a book talk
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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:29:46 CDT
YEAH, ALISA!!! I didn't even see the post you're referring to, but what =
a [expletives omitted because I am using my work email]!!!!
Here are a few suggestions:
Those SOUR, SOUR professionals (stereotypical mean old ladies with buns =
and puckered lips shouting "SHHH!" automatically come to mind) could =
respond off-list to the original poster, thus preventing both the =
poster's humiliation and public outrage. I know how this feels, as I =
have been on the other end of more than one sour response. To all you =
SOUR, SOUR professionals, we "newbies" have feelings, too!!!
OR, as Bambi's mother said, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say =
anything at all."
Now officially off of my soapbox,
Katrina
Katrina Neville
Librarian
City of Moreno Valley
25480 Alessandro Boulevard
Moreno Valley, CA 92553
t. 909-413-3880
f. 909-247-8346
e. katrinan@moval.org
w. www.moreno-valley.ca.us
-----Original Message-----
From: Alisa McKay [mailto:AMcKay@sno-isle.org]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:15 PM
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: RE: how to do a book talk
Perhaps less sour "professionals" on the list would be gracious
enough=20
to either delete such bothersome queries, without humiliating the=20
sender, or model pleasant, thoughtful responses. Apparently even=20
professors of library science experience teacher burn-out. Remind me=20
not to sign up for her class, or recommend her books to library patrons! =
I can't imagine informing a library patron that his or her question=20
made him or her look stupid. It might be nice to give others on the=20
list serve the same respect we're taught to give the "public."
She wrote:
I realize that for many people, asking a listserv has become a =3D
substitute for research, but even a brief look at LIBRARY LITERATURE =3D
will reveal books and articles on the topic with examples from authors =
=3D
like Patrick Jones, Joni Bodart, Hazel Rochman or myself. These kinds of =
=3D
open-ended, do-my-work-for-me requests are the kind that sour =3D
professionals from helping students and make you look stupid. What is =
=3D
your class or program? Who are you doing the talk for and how long =3D
should it be? Is it real or a class exercise? Are you doing it in the =
=3D
classroom in a teaching context or in a library/reading motivation =3D
context? Where have you looked for information or did you just go to the =
=3D
list?
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From: Mary K Chelton <mchelton@optonline.net>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: response to booktalk query
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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:29:56 CDT
Since I seem to have offended some of you by my response to the grad
student who wanted to know how to do a booktalk query, I will
explain, but first, I need to say that those of you being overly nice
immediately to one of these give-me-your-brain-in-one-computer-screen
queries are doing neither them, nor your own profession, any favors.
We already have working MLS librarians in my region who ignore very
well-constructed databases in favor of Google, ignore NoveList in
favor of Amazon.com and BN.com, etc. My own students go into meltdown
mode occasionally when they find out they have to do real research in
real books or magazines in a real library. All our lives are
time-stressed; we procrastinate, technology makes us lazy, etc.
This is supposed, I thought (PY Owner correct me if I am wrong), to
be a list for professionals to help each other. It is a moderated
list, and students, especially graduate students, have a
responsibility not to waste professional librarians' or the
moderator's time. (If I were a moderator, I would not let these
questions through.) This is not the same as refusing to help them,
and I regularly include assignments in my own classes where posting
inquiries to professional listservs or searching listserv archives
are required to introduce students to professional listservs. I also
point out to students at my own school how to ask questions that show
where they've looked already, what they know about the topic, and
what hole in their research they think list members may help them
with. I also point out that identifying themselves as students
without doing this work ahead of time will result in less useful
answers and annoy working professionals.
What I cannot understand is why, if someone came in person to your
library and asked for information on how to do a booktalk, you would
clarify the question first, you would give information to the same
question without clarifying on a listserv under the guise of being
nice to the newcomer.
I have observed that a whole lot of people feel they are being useful
by encouraging these people, but I think you may just be crippling
them as researchers. Instead of just zipping off an answer to make
yourself feel or look good, it might be better to start forcing them
to say what program they are in, and to ask them the same kinds of
questions you would ask someone in person. It might just save
everybody's time ultimately and help the students learn to do their
homework first, unless everyone agrees that the listserv query
process has become a substitute for doing any research by anybody.
(The last time I did this, I had several flaming messages that
suggested taking time for anything over reading one computer screen
on any topic was just too difficult these days.)
I don't know about you, but I don't want to be dependent on
librarians who never learned to do research, and there are already
too many of them around.
It's a big pain being famous (or infamous) and having, therefore, an
imaginary pedestal to topple from (or just plain fall over like
Saddam's statue on TV), but 1) I didn't give up free speech because
somebody read something I wrote in library school; and 2) I help lots
of people constantly, so the fact that I zapped one vague student on
PUBYAC does not make me a bad person-an increasingly old fart,
maybe,-but little else.
An unapologetic,
Mary K.
--
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Mary K. Chelton
Associate Professor
Graduate School of Library & Information Science
254 Rosenthal Library
Queens College
65-30 Kissena Blvd.
Flushing, NY 11367
(718) 997-3790 office; 3667 voicemail
(631) 286-4255 home (mornings)
mchelton@optonline.net
*******************************************
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From: Jennifer Zachman <jzachman@julip.fcgov.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Stumper: Prince-Magic mirror-Forest
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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:30:04 CDT
Thanks to Julie Ann Rines, Jen Marin, and Carol and Gary Levin ... I'm
double-checking with our patron, but the answer appears to be Vivian Vande
Velde's "A Hidden Magic."
Jennifer Zachman
Librarian, Children's Services
Harmony Library
4616 S. Shields St.
Fort Collins, CO 80526
970-204-8408
jzachman@julip.fcgov.com
On Thu, 22 May 2003, Jennifer Zachman wrote:
> Does this sound familiar?
>
> A junior high girl read this "years ago." It's about
"... a prince who is
> very arrogant but not very smart with a magic mirror in a mysterious
> forest. There was also a princess who came upon him and was very put
out
> by him. They ended up staying in a cottage together."
We've checked our
> catalog as well as other libraries near and far away, Amazon, bookstore
> web sites, print reference sources, etc. You can email me at:
> jzachman@julip.fcgov.com
> Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!
>
> Jennifer Zachman
> Librarian, Children's Services
> Harmony Library
> 4616 S. Shields St.
> Fort Collins, CO 80526
> 970-204-8408
> jzachman@julip.fcgov.com
>
>
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From: Jones Taylor Edwards <ya_core@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: RE: how to do a book talk
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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:30:13 CDT
All-
I don't think the analogy works. A list serv is not a
public library; a grad student seeking information is
not a teenager and on a list serv respect IMO is a two
way street. Was Dr. Chelton's post a "model of
respect"? Well, IMO a post to a list serv with a
question so fundamental, so basic, and with so many
resources available (many of which I've created -
i.e. booktalking @ YALSA's professioanl development
center ), is pretty disrespectful of the profession
and of the time of others.
For those of us who have been on this list serv for a
long, long time, we have seen a huge growth in this
type of query. I think it is one thing when the
person asking a question like "how to do a booktalk"
is from a small public library without many resources
who may or may not have a MLS or even a college
degree, as opposed to someone enrolled in a graduate
level course to learn the science of librarianship.
Again, a list serv is not a public library.
I think Dr. Chelton's response while sharp was to send
a message: library school students, professional in
the field DO want to help you (I work with lots of
students, do conference calls and online chats, etc)
but yeesh, show us working in the field some respect
as well.
Patrick Jones
--- Alisa McKay <AMcKay@sno-isle.org>
wrote:
>
> Perhaps less sour "professionals" on the list would
> be gracious enough
> to either delete such bothersome queries, without
> humiliating the
> sender, or model pleasant, thoughtful responses.
> Apparently even
> professors of library science experience teacher
> burn-out. Remind me
> not to sign up for her class, or recommend her books
> to library patrons!
> I can't imagine informing a library patron that his
> or her question
> made him or her look stupid. It might be nice to
> give others on the
> list serve the same respect we're taught to give the
> "public."
>
> She wrote:
>
> I realize that for many people, asking a listserv
> has become a =
> substitute for research, but even a brief look at
> LIBRARY LITERATURE =
> will reveal books and articles on the topic with
> examples from authors =
> like Patrick Jones, Joni Bodart, Hazel Rochman or
> myself. These kinds of =
> open-ended, do-my-work-for-me requests are the kind
> that sour =
> professionals from helping students and make you
> look stupid. What is =
> your class or program? Who are you doing the talk
> for and how long =
> should it be? Is it real or a class exercise? Are
> you doing it in the =
> classroom in a teaching context or in a
> library/reading motivation =
> context? Where have you looked for information or
> did you just go to the =
> list?
>
=====
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From: Fae Griffith <fgriffit@mail.win.org>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Summer jobs for media specialists?
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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:30:22 CDT
The National parks has a summer program that would be perfect. I was in
education for 32 years and I wish I had know about it. It is not job
realated, but what a wonderful experience.
Good luck!
Fae S. Griffith, Retired School Librarian, Part time Public Librarian
jmail
m
On Mon, 19 May 2003, Paulette Wireman wrote:
> When I graduate, hopefully, I will land a job as a school media
specialist.
> I
> was wondering what sort of job I could do in the summer for extra money.
> How
> common is it for media specialists to work temorarily in summers as a
youth
> librarian in a public library? I thought that maybe summers would be
busier
> since kids are out of school, and there might be a greater need for this
> position at that time. What is your experience with this, and are
public
> libraries pretty open to allowing a media specialist to do temp work in
this
> manner?
>
> Thanks!
> Paulette
>
>
>
>
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From: "Melissa Rice" <mrice@webrary.org>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: microsoft.com virus
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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:30:31 CDT
Bonita,
This is a virus. Check out http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/palyh.asp
for more info.
Melissa
Melissa Rice
Reference/Reader's Services Librarian
Morton Grove Public Library
6140 Lincoln Ave.
Morton Grove, IL 60053
(847) 965-4220
mrice@webrary.org
www.webrary.org
Opinions expressed are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect
official Library policy.
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>From: Bonita Kale <Bonita.Kale@euclidlibrary.org>
>To: pubyac <pubyac@prairienet.org>
>Subject: microsoft.com virus
>Date: Thu, May 22, 2003, 10:14 PM
>
> I got an email from "support@microsoft.com"
in my mailbox--did anyone
else?
> Pubyac is the only place I can think of where anyone could have gotten my
> work e-mail address.
>
> So I thought I'd send out these links:
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/56/30808.html
>
> http://msnbc.com/news/915499.asp?0sl=-41&cp1=1
>
> Bonita
>
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From: "April Mazza" <AMazza@minlib.net>
To: "PUBYAC" <PUBYAC@prairienet.org>
Subject: My 2 cents
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:30:39 CDT
This morning I read over a few days worth of PUBYAC digest and I am
bothered by some posts I have seen recently. What ever happened to
"If
you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all?" I ignore a
lot
of stuff on PUBYAC...if I think it's a silly, stupid or lazy question, if
I think I have nothing to add, if I think their idea insipid, etc.
I love this listserv, it's my favorite resource and I suggest it to all
my youth services librarian friends...not just for the great ideas but
for the sense of community. And this is not to say I am not up for some
good debating and difference of opinion but some of the stuff I have read
lately (and not just the prof's post) is just plain mean and unhelpful.
I post to this list when I have no where else to go but also at times
when I need help quickly and I know from experience how helpful PUBYACers
can be.
April Mazza
Youth Services
Wayland Public Library
(508) 358-2308
AMazza@minlib.net
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From: Nancy Sheehan <sheehan@noblenet.org>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: RE: how to do a book talk
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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:30:47 CDT
Ms. Chelton's response is on target, tempered, and well thought out.
Students all too frequently use this listserv in place of research, and
it's refreshing to see this addressed.
Listserv members sent excellent, appropriate responses to this student
that will undoutedly guide her to materials. It reflects badly on her
school and professor that she had to rely on the kindness of strangers for
such basic guidance.
Pubyac participants are not patrons. They are colleagues. This
listserv
is a forum for the exchange of professional ideas. As colleagues,
we commonly embrace a core of ethics and skills. We gained these skills
through initiative, scholarship, and training. Prospective
librarians are ill served when they circumvent the very skills needed to
perform in this field. The convenience of technology is no substitute
for scholarship.
On Thu, 22 May 2003, Alisa McKay wrote:
>
> Perhaps less sour "professionals" on the list would be gracious
enough
> to either delete such bothersome queries, without humiliating the
> sender, or model pleasant, thoughtful responses. Apparently
even
> professors of library science experience teacher burn-out. Remind me
> not to sign up for her class, or recommend her books to library patrons!
> I can't imagine informing a library patron that his or her question
> made him or her look stupid. It might be nice to give others on the
> list serve the same respect we're taught to give the "public."
>
> She wrote:
>
> I realize that for many people, asking a listserv has become a =
> substitute for research, but even a brief look at LIBRARY LITERATURE =
> will reveal books and articles on the topic with examples from authors =
> like Patrick Jones, Joni Bodart, Hazel Rochman or myself. These kinds of =
> open-ended, do-my-work-for-me requests are the kind that sour =
> professionals from helping students and make you look stupid. What is =
> your class or program? Who are you doing the talk for and how long =
> should it be? Is it real or a class exercise? Are you doing it in the =
> classroom in a teaching context or in a library/reading motivation =
> context? Where have you looked for information or did you just go to the =
> list?
>
--
Nancy Sheehan, Head of Youth Services
Lucius Beebe Memorial Library, Wakefield Massachusetts
sheehan@noblenet.org
North of Boston Library Exchange
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From: "Kim Dolce" <kdolce@co.volusia.fl.us>
To: <Bonita.Kale@euclidlibrary.org>,<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: microsoft.com virus
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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:30:56 CDT
It didn't appear in my work email, but I did get it at home on another =
email account I have. Luckily, I deleted it without opening the attachment.=
I just figured it was spam, since I've gotten things before that were =
supposedly from microsoft. Afterwards I read the article and was very =
surprised! kim
Kim E. Dolce
Children's Librarian
Port Orange Regional Library
Port Orange, FL 32129
kdolce@co.volusia.fl.us
>>> Bonita.Kale@euclidlibrary.org
05/22/03 23:21 PM >>>
I got an email from "support@microsoft.com"
in my mailbox--did anyone =
else?
Pubyac is the only place I can think of where anyone could have gotten my
work e-mail address.
So I thought I'd send out these links:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/56/30808.html
http://msnbc.com/news/915499.asp?0sl=3D-41&cp1=3D1
Bonita
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