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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:01 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 1141
PUBYAC Digest 1141
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Divisions of Children's Fiction
by Bonita Kale <Bonita.Kale@euclidlibrary.org>
2) Re: Shelving Harry Potter
by Carolyn Jones <carolyn.jones@erl.vic.gov.au>
3) Virtual tours of YA areas-compilation
by "Rebecca Cohen" <storyweaver@newportlibrary.org>
4) Stumper solved -- grumpy headmaster/room for improvement
by Mary Kuehner <mkuehner@jefferson.lib.co.us>
5) Weird rumor about libraries?
by "Linette Ivanovitch" <linette@missoula.lib.mt.us>
6) Murder Mystery Party
by Christine Mills <cmills@mail.win.org>
7) high school reading list
by Frances Easterling <machild@cmrls.lib.ms.us>
8) Children's fiction compilation-very longggggg
by "Allyson Goodwin" <Agood@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
9) Re: Question: activites for kids during tours of the public library
by "RoseMary Honnold" <honnolro@oplin.lib.oh.us>
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From: Bonita Kale <Bonita.Kale@euclidlibrary.org>
To: agood@ci.carlsbad.ca.us, pubyac
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Divisions of Children's Fiction
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:53:54 CDT
We have
J -- Novels and story collections, roughly 4th through 6th grade
J-EF (Juvenile Easy Fiction) -- Thin chapter books and "old" picture
books,
roughly 3rd and 4th grade. (Magic Tree House, Junie B. Jones, Cam Jansen,
True Story of the 3 Little Pigs, etc.)
F-Pr -- Primers
F -- Readers, approximately 1st through 3rd grades.
P -- Picture books
P-123 -- Counting books
P-ABC -- Alphabet books
P-SESAME -- Sesame Street books
P-DISNEY -- Guess!
CALDECOTT
We also have a NEWBERRY catalog classification, that gets a sticker but is
not shelved separately, and a shelf section called "As Seen on TV" of
picture books and first readers that tie in to TV shows, but aren't
cataloged separately.
And there's the holiday section, of course. Those books are catalogued
with
their regular letter or number plus HOL.
The F category isn't specific enough for many parents, who would rather have
things labeled by individual grade. On the other hand, we get a lot of
people with reading lists, and they would prefer that everything be together
for easy finding of individual items.
Bonita
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From: Carolyn Jones <carolyn.jones@erl.vic.gov.au>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Shelving Harry Potter
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:54:04 CDT
We are shelving the new harry potter (if it ever gets on the shelf!) in
the teenage section
Carolyn Jones
Eastern Regional Libraries
Melbourne Australia
> Hello All,
>
> Please forgive the cross-posting. Where are you shelving the new
Harry
> Potter? (I think this was already discussed, but I couldn't find any
> mention when trying to search the archives.)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Toni Reese
> Youth Services Librarian
> Sump Memorial Library
> Papillion Nebraska
> treese@monarch.papillion.ne.us
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From: "Rebecca Cohen" <storyweaver@newportlibrary.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Virtual tours of YA areas-compilation
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:54:13 CDT
Although no one sent me their websites, I did have a number of requests for
a compilation. So, I put one of my savvy YA volunteers to the task and
this
is what she came up with:
Hoover, Alabama
http://www.hoover.lib.al.us/virtualtour/fiction/ya.htm
Knox County, Ohio
http://www.knox.net/knox/library/about/tour/ya.htm
Tempe, Arizona (YA area not included but the 360 degree tour is way cool!)
http://www.tempe.gov/library/360/
Lake Geneva, Wisconsin
http://www.lakegeneva.lib.wi.us/lgt27.html
Huntington Beach, California (Not specifically YA, but another of the 360
degree tours.)
http://www.hbpl.org/reference_virtual_tour.htm
Kansas City, Missouri
http://www.kclibrary.org/support/central/tour.cfm
Greenville, North Carolina (This is of the whole library with no YA area
shown. Is there one?)
http://www.sheppardlibrary.org/hi-res.html
Scottsdale, Arizona
http://library.ci.scottsdale.az.us/vtour/mus2.htm
Phoenix, Arizon
http://www.phxteencentral.org/teencentralframe.html
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From: Mary Kuehner <mkuehner@jefferson.lib.co.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Stumper solved -- grumpy headmaster/room for improvement
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Thanks so much to Jennie Depakakibo Evans and Theresa Maturevich who knew
that this book is Miss Know It All by Carol Beach York. I've just talked
to
the patron, and she's confirmed that this is the right title and says thank
you very much! The original stumper is below:
A patron remembers a fiction book about a girls boarding school with a
grumpy headmaster/principal. There are also two nice ladies who work there
in some capacity (teachers?). There is another character in the book who
knows the answers to every question except one: what is the largest room in
the world? The grumpy headmaster knows, though.: it's room for
improvement.
Ring any bells with anyone? Please reply to me at
mkuehner@jefferson.lib.co.us.
Thanks!
Mary Kuehner
Children's Reference Librarian
Lakewood Library
Jefferson County Public Library
10200 W. 20th Phone: (303) 232-9507
Lakewood, CO 80215 Fax: (303) 275-2234
email: mkuehner@jefferson.lib.co.us
Find us on the web: http://www.jefferson.lib.co.us
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From: "Linette Ivanovitch" <linette@missoula.lib.mt.us>
To: Pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Weird rumor about libraries?
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:54:31 CDT
OK--I think I just got my second most bizarre question. A grandma called
me
just
now and asked if there was anything to the rumor her son and daughter-in-law
had
told to her grandson. The rumor is that there is a national alert that
kids
under
sixteen should not be allowed to go to libraries unsupervised. I checked
several
urban legend databases, google, and the usual news sources and did not see
anything.
Anyone heard this one before? I am posting to several lists, so I apologize
in
advance for duplicate copies of this message.
Linette Ivanovitch
YA Librarian
Missoula Public Library
Missoula, MT
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From: Christine Mills <cmills@mail.win.org>
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: Murder Mystery Party
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:54:42 CDT
I know that I am jumping the gun by asking this question so early. I know
that many of us are smack dab in the middle of summer reading. But, I'm
already thinking about October.
Have any of you put on a Murder Mystery Party for Young Adults at your
library? I am looking to do this is in the later part of October. I
have
read some of the Usborne Solve It Yourself books. I'm thinking of either
trying to act out one of those books or purchase a murder mystery party
where each participant will have a part to act out. I think the second
could be fun, because I could even encourage them to use costumes.
Does anyone have any tips? Or suggestions on how to have a successful
Murder Mystery Party for YAs?
You may reply to me at cmills@mail.win.org.
Thank you,
Christine
Christine Mills
Reference Librarian
St. Charles City-County Library District
Spencer Road Branch
427 Spencer Road, P.O. Box 529
St. Peters, MO 63376-0529
Phone: 636-441-0522 x1743
Email: cmills@mail.win.org
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From: Frances Easterling <machild@cmrls.lib.ms.us>
To: "pubyac@prairienet.org"
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Subject: high school reading list
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:54:54 CDT
I hope you can understand this.
We have 3 schools that have access to our branch of our library
system(which comprises of 21). We get a copy of each grades reading
list before school let's out for the summer that they have to have read
before school starts in the fall. Before we automated we would only let
the student check out one book at a time instead of letting the student
take out all the books that was on his/her list. We made this
decision
so that every student would have a greater chance to check out a book
that was on their list. Even after we automated we still kept that
rule. But recently we were called down on this.
My question is: Does anyone limit the number of books that a student can
check out if it is part of their reading list? Should we let the
students check out everything on their list?
Yes, we are in the process of buying more books but that does take
money. We have one school that has the same book for 9th and 12th
grades(The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Teens).
Yes, we do make request from other libraries in our system for these
books but we try to limit the request to one at a time.
Sorry this is so long,
Frances Easterling
Magee Public Library
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From: "Allyson Goodwin" <Agood@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
To: <<pubyac@prairienet.org>>
Subject: Children's fiction compilation-very longggggg
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:55:03 CDT
Once again PUBYAC to the rescue. You folks are truely phenomenal!!!
In addition to helpful responses to my questions regarding division of =
fiction categories, i also received a request to compile the results.
No =
two libraries do the same thing, although there was quite a range...from =
only three categories to over 6!! So again I thank you for all your =
assistance. Now I'll take these answers to our committee and we'll be =
better informed to make our decision.
Ally ;-)
The original questions regarding Collection Categories:
How many categories (Picture Books, Fiction, Easy Readers) do you have? =
=20
Is there any concern about putting all reading levels together?
We seem to have patrons who ask (and expect to find) where the books for =
"second graders" are ... without having to browse the whole
collection. =
Has anyone else had/have this problem and thus subdivided their fiction =
categories?
Here is a compilation of answers:
Our library used to only have picture books and fiction but a few years =
ago we broke it down into=20
JP - Picture
JE - Easy Reader
J - Chapter books (older concept picture books)
We do have separate collections for a variety of juvie fiction. It can be
=
confusing and it is often a pain for me as collection manager and the =
catalog department but the public loves it. Our juvenile collection is =
birth through 6th grade. Our YA collection is 7-12 (fiction separate; =
nonfiction interfiled in the adult collection.) =20
But ours is on the larger side, and it's divided up a LOT! We have =
separate categories for:
*Board books
*picture books
*ABCs
*123s
*Concepts
*Religious
*Read-aloud (preschool story collections)
*Caldecott
*folktales (small preschool collection--the rest are in 398)
*Berenstain Bears
*Sesame Street
*Disney
*Curious George
*Arthur
*J/P/Parent (shelved with Parent collection--it's the "Daddy is a
drunk"
"Uncle is gay" "Grandma died" books that you want to have
available but =
you
don't want someone to check out unknowingly)
*Easy readers (which are in the process of being leveled with stickers =
from
1-4)
*Illustrated Fiction (sophisticated picture books intended for older kids,
shelved by the fiction)
*and last but not least, Fiction (easy chapter books have an orange
"Easy"
sticker on the spine)
So although it is complicated, our patronsreally like it. It does require
=
having a very cooperative cataloger.
We have three fiction catagories, E for picture books (any age), *J =
Primers for the 1st and 2nd grade readers, and J for chapter books. =
Parents of beginning readers really like this break down. They can find =
the 1st and 2nd grade books quickly
I really believe in sub-dividing the fiction collection as it benefits =
both our patrons and the staff. At the minimum I think a collection =
should have:
a) Picture books
b) Easy Readers- lots of folks call this a Beginning Reader collection and =
there are a bunch of names out there floating around.
c) Bridging Fiction- again lots of names out there for this but these are =
the books like the Horrible Harry series, Pony Pals series, Junie B. Jones =
series. =20
d) Fiction
It does require some organization and a LOT of cooperation between tech =
services and the children's department as many of the books that come =
through are hard to classify at first glance.
We have picture books and juvenile fiction, but we also have a special =
collection for emergent readers. =20
we seperate our books BB board book, E picture book, BR Beginning readers, =
J third grade to sixth grade,=20
and YA, main character is 13 or older or subject matter more advanced.
have 3 divisions, fiction, easy, and easy reader (with easy being picture =
books, and easy reader being limited
vocabulary, from pre-primer to 2nd grade). Then j fiction is for grades =
3-7, and YA fiction after that.=20
ours are Easy, Chapter, Junior fiction- I want to change to Easy plus or =
beginning reader because of the beginning reader stuff getting lost in the =
picture books and gives parent a clue for what the child might read alone. =
Then I'd go intermediate instead of Chapter for the next step up.
We have the following classications, with the appropriate label:
JB
Board books
JE
Junior Easy readers, preschool-to about Grade 2
J FIC
Grade 2-3 until Grade 6 or so, including early chapter =
books
YP
Young People Grade 7&8
We have Picture Books, Easy Readers, Fiction. Our Easy Reader section is =
mostly for those who are just learning to read, Our J fiction is for =
older readers, and most kids can manage them by late second grade to third =
grade. Our library doesn't put books into any grade level designation.
Congratulations on your new automated catalog! I hope you like it!=20
LOL!
Our children's department has *many* collection designations. The basic =
ones are "EPB" (board books); "E" (picture books);
"ER" (easy readers); "J =
Fic" (juvenile fiction -- mostly chapter books for 3rd -6th grades, but =
does include some longer illustrated books that are too long for picture =
books); "JNF" (juvenile non-fiction); "JB" (juvenile
biographies); "J Ref" =
(juvenile reference); and "YA Fic" (Young Adult Fiction -- about 6th -
=
10th grades -- anything above that ends up in Adult fiction).
he children's book collection in my building is about 60,000 volumes. We =
have our fiction divided into 3 basic material codes as far as the =
computer system goes -- Picture books (also known as Easy Fiction), =
Readers, and "J" Fiction (the books in the children's room all have
either =
an E or a J in front of the call number to distinguish them from YA or =
adult titles
We have picture books, beginning readers (roughly 1st & 2nd grades), =
fiction and nonfiction.
We have: Tots - board books
Easy - picture books designed to be read to children 3-8
Littles - picture books that are small, but have paper pages and
aren't =
appropriate for the board book crowd (ex. Beatrix Potter, Chicken Soup =
with Rice, ...)
Easy-to-Read - for beginning readers - preprimer through second
readers =
level, identified with a "pink spot"- a circular pink label in
addition to =
the label that gives the author's initial
Fiction - hard cover books for third through sixth graders
1) board books
2) picture books
3) readers
4) "in-betweens" which are easy chapter books like junie b jones and
long =
picture books like scieska &
van allsburg.
5) "children's fiction" which is chapter books for 4-8 grade
I work for San Diego Public Library and we have two designations:
E for picture books and readers
FI C for fiction
However, we shelve picture books and readers separately and we have an =
option to put item notes in the record to indicate where the item is =
shelved. I think these two categories should be shelved separately =
because
they serve entirely different audiences.
We have several categories for our picture books: picture books, easy =
readers, toddler, and of course juvenile fiction. The juvenile fiction =
books are for 3rd-6th graders. =20
we have categories for P (picture books and board books), E for Easy =
Readers, Jfiction and j pop (jFic is hardcover and JPopular fiction is =
softcover)
We have our children's fiction divided by:
Easy Fiction (picturebooks)
Easy Readers
Children's Fiction
So our divisions are as follows: Easy readers and picture books are JE, =
first chapter books and short chapter books are level grade 3-4. All =
other fiction books are J for juvenile grades 5 & 6, and YP for books that =
are longer or have themes for older students.
our fiction categories are:=20
Easy--regular picture books
Small--undersized picture books & small board books
Beginner--easy readers, primer, 1st & 2nd grades ABC/123--alphabet & =
counting books
Fiction--chapter books
Award--Newbery, Caldecott & Texas Bluebonnet Award winners
When patrons ask me where are the 4th-grade (or whatever) grade books, I =
explain that we do not categorize our books by grade levels, but by =
formats.
In our system, we have several categories:
1.) Picture books
2.) I Can Read (beginning chapter books, geared
mostly for 1st Graders), such as Amelia Bedelia, Young
Cam Jansen, etc.
3.) Easy Readers (longer chapter books, many of them
illustrated), for 2nd and 3rd Grade, for the most
part. Some examples would be Junie B. Jones, the
Ramona and Henry Huggins series by Beverly Cleary, and
Amber Brown.
4.) Fiction (for mainly 4th and 5th Grade), such as
Number the Stars, the Little House books, Missing
May, Bud Not Buddy, etc.
5.) Junior High (6th, 7th and 8th Grade), such as
The Pigman, A Solitary Blue, the Redwall series, and
The Outsiders.
6.) Young Adult (9th Grade and above), such as
Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, Full Frontal
Snogging,and Cirque du Freak.
7.) Also, we have 1st, 2nd and 3rd Grade Readers.
Ally Goodwin
Carlsbad City Library
Children's Services
760-602-2050
agood@ci.carlsbad.ca
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From: "RoseMary Honnold" <honnolro@oplin.lib.oh.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Question: activites for kids during tours of the public library
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A simple scavenger hunt works well during a tour. For each room you will
be
touring, write a question about that room. Depending upon the age of the
tourists, you can write questions that require using a resource in the area
or just an easy one that requires observing the room more closely.
Give each player a list of the questions written in the order you will be
touring the rooms.
Give inexpensive prizes to everyone.... bookmarks, pencils, bookbags, etc.
RoseMary Honnold
Coshocton Public Library
655 Main ST
Coshocton, OH 43812
740-622-0956
honnolro@oplin.lib.oh.us
See YA Around: a Web site for librarians who work with teens
http://www.cplrmh.com
101+ Teen Programs That Work
http://www.neal-schuman.com/db/6/296.html
Serving Seniors: A How-To-Do-It Manual for Librarians
http://www.neal-schuman.com/db/5/355.html
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