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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:01 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 1206
PUBYAC Digest 1206
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: Funny Food
by "jeanne" <jeanne@hpfc.lib.ms.us>
2) review source compilation
by Nancy Thelen <nthelan@monroe.lib.mi.us>
3) Re: cell phones!
by Mary Jean Hartel <hartelm@mail.clarke.public.lib.ga.us>
4) What floats/bobbles in an artificial aquarium tank?
by "Gruninger, Laura" <lgruning@MCL.org>
5) Re: Boy Scout Visits
by "Stephanie D Buchanan" <buchanst@oplin.org>
6) Re: "easy readers"
by "Anita Palladino" <apalladi@ansernet.rcls.org>
7) RE: New Member
by "Alissa Ulrich" <aulrich@pekin.net>
8) Boys on TABs
by Diane.Tuccillo@cityofmesa.org
9) FWD NEWS ARTICLE: Libraries to pay tribute on Sept. 11
by "Don Wood" <dwood@ala.org>
10) Re: Re touchy question - the group in question is NOT being
by Wanda Peterson <wandasway2003@yahoo.com>
11) Re: Re touchy question - the group in question is NOT being
by ann chapman <amom124@yahoo.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: jeanne [mailto:jeanne@hpfc.lib.ms.us]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:08 PM
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: RE: Funny Food
Saxton Freymann has some great books where all the illustrations are
pictures of food (right up my alley!). Some of the title we have in our
collection include: Dr. Pompo's Nose; One Lonely Sea Horse; Dog Food (this
one is really cute); Gus and Button; and How Are You Peeling: Foods with
Moods (another cute one).
Hope this helps!
Jeanne Pierce
The Library of Hattiesburg, Petal and Forrest County
Hattiesburg, MS
jpierce@hpfc.lib.ms.us
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pubyac@prairienet.org
[mailto:owner-pubyac@prairienet.org] On
Behalf Of Joanne Johnsen
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 2:17 PM
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Funny Food
I am doing an afterschool program on food and making an edible necklace as a
craft. Any ideas for books? Joan Johnsen, CCPL
-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Thelen [mailto:nthelan@monroe.lib.mi.us]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:08 PM
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: review source compilation
Thank you all so much. Quite a few people replied with their
choices for reviews for non-fiction books, more than I can list
here. Here's a list and number of ppl who suggested the resource:
Booklist--13
SLJ--12
BWI--4
Hornbook--3
Kirkus--2
Publisher's Weekly--2
Science Books and Films (http://SBFonline.com)--2
The rest of the list only had one person recommend the source.
BCCB
Children's Literature (www.childrenslit.com)
Strand
Brodart
Baker and Taylor
Amazon
Kliatt
Senior High Catalog (to check current collection)
Barnes and Noble (online site)
Voya (young adults)
National Council for the Social Studies book list
National Science Teachers Association book list
Kobrin Newletter-by Beverly Kobrin (not sure if it is still
published)
Teacher-Librarian (www.teacherlibrarian.com)
web sites for book lists:
Notable Social Studies Trade Books
www.socialstudies.org/resources/notable
Outstanding Science Trade Books for Students
www.nsta.org/ostbs03
This has been very helpful for me.
Nancy
--
Nancy Thelen
920 W. Michigan Ave
Three Rivers Public Library
Three Rivers, MI
nthelan@monroe.lib.mi.us
-----Original Message-----
From: Mary Jean Hartel [mailto:hartelm@mail.clarke.public.lib.ga.us]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:08 PM
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: cell phones!
We have a cell phone policy and 2 3/4 x 3 3/4 cards that we hand out to
folks when they make/take a cell phone call. It works wonderfully well--you
don't interrupt their call and it's very non-confrontational. MOST folks
are apologetic and the occasional few shred the card.
Electronic Communication Policy
In order to create a library atmosphere that is fair to everyone, we ask
that the use of cell phones, 2-way radios, and other audible communication
devices be limited to the outer lobby of the library. Thank you for
considering the needs of all library users.
Mary Jean Hartel The early bird gets the worm,
Young Adult/AV Librarian But the second mouse gets the cheese.
Athens Regional Library
2025 Baxter Street
Athens, GA 30606
hartelm@mail.clarke.public.lib.ga.us
706/613-3650, ext. 323
FAX 706/613-3660
-----Original Message-----
From: Gruninger, Laura [mailto:lgruning@MCL.org]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:08 PM
To: 'pubyac@prarienet.org'
Subject: What floats/bobbles in an artificial aquarium tank?
This is not really a book or program oriented post, but I thought some
of you might know the answer based on having similar decorations in your
library.
I bought one of those artificial fish tanks as a prop for our summer
reading program. It comes with a variety of fish that float, sink and
bobble throught the tank when you plug it in. I took it down after the
summer but am wondering if anything else could be used inside besides an
aquatic them...
I remember seeing thousands of Barbie Shoes that would circulate in an
upright tank at FAO Schwartz.I know not just anything will have the
right buoyancy. Book, reading or toy oriented items would be the best.
Any creative suggestions?
Thanks in advance,
Laura Gruninger, Children's Librarian
Mercer County Library System, Lawrence HQ
Lawrenceville, NJ 08648
lgruning@mcl.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephanie D Buchanan [mailto:buchanst@oplin.org]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:08 PM
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Boy Scout Visits
Cathy,
we do a basic tour of the library and explain the DeweyDecimal system, we
try to point out sections of interest to them that they might not find on
their own, then we do a quick scavenger hunt on the computers. The
boys
usually need some computer time for some sort of badge-I don't know which
one.
Stephanie Buchanan
Greenwich Public Library
Greenwich, OH 44837
-----Original Message-----
From: Anita Palladino [mailto:apalladi@ansernet.rcls.org]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:09 PM
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: "easy readers"
Easy readers are books, generaly fiction, with a larger amount of text than
Picture Books and less reliance on illustrations than Picture books. They
contain larger print than 'regular' fiction and vocabulary is suitable for
children with reading levels of grades 1 -3.
These are the essential points and they are recognized in children's
cataloging guides. Contrary to what a clerk may think, they are a seperate
entity between picture books and children's fiction.
You may put this into a 'checklist' if you think it will sway your clerk,
but it may just be that he/she has delusions of grandure and thinks they are
a librarian. (Just a little joke,folks, please don't start snarling and
sending me email about it.)
all opiions are mine, cataloging rules based on Children's Catalog, 18th
edition.
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "robin kessler" <redrobin@usa.com>
Reply-To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:37:04 CDT
>I have a problem that is both sensitive and political. I work in a
small
>public library where I catalog the Children's books. The technical
staff
>(clerical position) is also part of this process.
>One clerk in particular has complained to me regarding the designation of
>"easy reader" on books. I had begun this designation about
six months ago
>and these early readers are shelved sperately. Prior to this they were
>shelved with the picture books and were somewhat inaccessible. She
does
not
>understand why they are not still in the picture book section in the
pre-1st
>category ( this library places age labels on their picture books another
>thing I do not agree with).
>The problem is that she and others view this section not as a professional
>designation but as books that are merely "easy to read," in their
opinion.
>They are not aware of the criteria that constitute an "easy
reader."
>Trying to be diplomatic, I am not going to just say this is the way it is
>and that is that. Instead I would like to present a checklist that
would
>enumerate the criteria for placing a book in this section with brief
>explainations.
>I would appreciate GREATLY any ideas you might be able to share regarding
>the criteria your library uses in designating a book as an easy or beginner
>reader and/ how to handle the clerical staff in a profession manner without
>insulting anyone's abilities.
>I am desperate for any imput!!
>
>Thanks to all-
>REK
>--
-----Original Message-----
From: Alissa Ulrich [mailto:aulrich@pekin.net]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:09 PM
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: RE: New Member
What I do if a topic interests me is paste all the responses into a word
document and format it and then save it in an ideas file and title it "big
apple storytime" or whatever it was about, so when I'm looking for ideas I
open the idea folder, browse, I simply open up whatever it is that catches
my eye and there it is. This way my mailboxes doesn't get too crowded, plus
I don't have to sort through a million messages in a folder to find a
topic.
Alissa Ulrich
Public Relations Coordinator
Pekin Public Library
301 South Fourth St. Pekin, IL 61554
309-347-7111 ext. 226
aulrich@pekin.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Diane.Tuccillo@cityofmesa.org
[mailto:Diane.Tuccillo@cityofmesa.org]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:09 PM
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Boys on TABs
(I am replying on list as the message would not go through privately as was
requested.)
Hi, Katie--
I am the author of the soon-to-be published Teen Library Advisory Groups: A
VOYA Guide. Here are some tips I hope you can use:
Our YAAC group has and luckily always has had an equal number of boys and
girls, so I have never personally had to deal with this problem. Here are
some ideas, though, off the top of my head:
1. Approach boys in the library who seem to be good/interested readers.
Tell them about your teen board and invite them to a meeting. Ask them to
bring a friend along.
2. Put up lots of publicity in your library that will be attractive to boys
and girls both. We use both posters and flyers.
3. Ask some local teachers/school librarians if they know any boys who
might be interested in joining your group.
4. Promote your group by telling them you will be doing some fun social
activities, like having a party or maybe arranging a trip to the movies
after hours. These kinds of events seem to make the social bonds of our
meetings and events stronger.
5. Ask the group to have a "bring a friend along" meeting, and see if
at
least some of the girls would be willing to invite some boys they know.
6. Once you get a stronger core group of boys, encourage them to bring
along friends to meetings. Sometimes, you might even get siblings. We have
had so many siblings in our group, you would be amazed! One girl brought
her brother, who in turn brought her other brother when he reached age 12.
All three of them went completely through our YAAC from jr. to senior high!
7. Ask you Service Learning rep at your local school to let boys know they
can get SL hours for participating on your teen board.
I hope these idea help. Please let me know how it goes! You can reply to me
at dianetuccillo@cox.net or diane.tuccillo@cityofmesa.org.
Thanks,
Diane
Diane Tuccillo
City of Mesa Library, AZ
mesalibrary.org
(see Teens section for YAAC information)
RE:
Hi PUBYAC'rs,
I am a new subscriber to the list and a first time poster, so please =
accept my apologies if this question has been recently raised. At my
=
library I have an active teen board with one simple problem--no young =
men! Do any of you have suggestions as to how to attract boys to our
=
monthly meetings? A few (maybe 2) young men attend the scheduled events =
for the teen board, but they never attend the meetings where these =
events are planned. I would appreciate any suggestions that you all may =
be able to provide. Please email me off the list at =
kmckeever@alphapark.org.
Thanks :)
Katie McKeever
Youth Services Librarian
Alpha Park Public Library District
Bartonville, IL
knmckeev@alphapark.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wood [mailto:dwood@ala.org]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:09 PM
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: FWD NEWS ARTICLE: Libraries to pay tribute on Sept. 11
This www.dailyherald.com news story was
forwarded to you by
Don Wood
dwood@ala.org
"Erbes, the assistant director of the Bensenville Community Public
Library, said that belief is what led him to organize Libraries Remember
- a call for libraries across the country to remain open for the 24
hours of Sept. 11."
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FORWARDED STORY BELOW
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Libraries to pay tribute on Sept. 11
By Justin Kmitch Daily Herald Staff Writer
As far as Bill Erbes is concerned, "nothing is more opposite of
terrorism
than the ideals of a public library."
Erbes, the assistant director of the Bensenville Community Public
Library, said that belief is what led him to organize Libraries
Remember
- a call for libraries across the country to remain open for the 24
hours of Sept. 11.
The idea has spread to a handful of libraries across the country.
The Bensenville library will close as usual at 9 p.m. on Sept. 10,
but reopen at midnight and remain open until midnight the next night.
"Libraries represent the sum of all human knowledge, and they
represent
equal access to that knowledge," Erbes said. "We at the library
believe
there is no more appropriate commemoration of Sept. 11 than for
libraries
all across the country to be there for their patrons and community."
Patrons will have access to all regular library services during
that time and are encouraged to stop in.
"I doubt we're going to be very busy at 3 a.m.," he said. "But if
someone comes in and wants an inter-library loan at 2:30 in the
morning,
we'll be more than happy to help them."
As of late Friday, 16 libraries from across the country had signed
up to participate.
Charlie Kalogeros-Chattan, director of the Los Alamos County Library
in New Mexico, said she heard about the project a few weeks ago while
her staff was watching a College of DuPage-produced video called,
"Source of Excellence." She said Erbes appeared in a segment at the
end of the video where he explained the project.
"We're going to go back to the old days, where people actually used
the library as a place to read," she said.
Kalogeros-Chattan said her library also will be open for the entire
24 hours. Midnight to 9 a.m. and 9 p.m. to midnight will be devoted
to a community read-a-thon.
"I think our patrons and staff have really taken to it," she said.
"We really don't know how many people will show up, but Starbucks
has donated 100 cups of coffee and we're taking them up on it."
In Pocahontas, a rural community in northwestern Iowa, the local
library doesn't have a large enough staff to stay open for 24 hours,
but it's still going to participate.
Rita Samuelson, director of the Pocahontas Public Library, said
it will be open from 11 a.m. to 11 p.m. t o serve their population
of 1,900.
"It's a patriotic gesture that some may not understand, but libraries
are the gateway to information and there's really nothing more
American
than freedom to learn," Samuelson said. "Keeping the doors open is
a great tribute to those who died in the attacks of Sept. 11."
Residents there are invited to several showings of related videos
and documentaries, or to just come in and read quietly.
Erbes said he announced the Bensenville library's initiative in
several professional journals and listservs, and was surprised to
see just 16 other libraries had signed up.
"I'm surprised but not necessarily disappointed," he said. "I'd
like to see this continue for years to come, but I think it's
appropriate
that it starts quiet and low-key and spreads by word of mouth. Time
will tell."
Erbes said the library staff members in Bensenville will volunteer
their time during the extra hours.
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Visit Suburban Chicago's Information Source at
http://www.dailyherald.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Wanda Peterson [mailto:wandasway2003@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:09 PM
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Re touchy question - the group in question is NOT being
I have received six private emails thanking me for my contributions on the
list to this topic and saying that the authors agreed with me and were glad
I expressed my views without flaming Jennifer (for the record, the person
named Wanda who posted the "shame on you" message had a different last
name,
and was not me). I have had two private emails telling me that I have no
business expressing my opinion on the board and to stop immediately. Since
it is my understanding that the purpose of posting a topic on a public board
like this is for people to give their opinions, and a number of other people
have certainly done so, it seems to me I can give my opinion if I want to -
especially since no one else has hesitated to tell me publicly on the board
that I am wrong if they disagree with me.
Jennifer, you DID specifically make a point of saying in your original post
that the mentally challenged people in your library were under the
supervision of caregivers and that they were not doing anything wrong or
being disruptive! You said that they occasionally moaned or made noises,
but then immediately qualified it by saying that they were not really being
disruptive or louder than anyone else. You went on to say that the reason
you were considering asking them to leave the room was only because some of
the other, non-disabled patrons seemed "uncomfortable" around them.
Of course some people were offended by that idea! Now you are changing the
story completely and claiming that they really are disruptive and implying
that is the reason you really wanted them out all along! That is the
opposite of what you originally said, and is not what we replied to.
You are simply wrong to say that bigotry is an act and not a belief. The
American Heritage dictionary defines bigotry as "intolerance; the attitude
or state of mind of a bigot." Likewise, "prejudice" is
defined as "an
adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand without knowledge or
examination of the facts." You can see that neither of these
definitions
has to do with an action - the words describe a belief, a feeling based on
intolerance. Anyone who would not want disabled people to use the same
library room as them because they are "uncomfortable" around the
disabled is
a bigot by that belief alone. People can be bigoted against many things
other than race or ethnicity, and people who are prejudiced do not
necessarily commit overt acts displaying their beliefs. It bothers me to
here you say that "discomfort with differences makes us human not
bigoted" -
actually, it does make us bigoted. Granted, there are very few of us who
do
not harbor a prejudice or two, deep down.
But that is something we should fight against in ourselves, not accept as
"human", and certainly not accomodate by discriminating against
others!
As I have said, I have a disability myself - due to an inherited condition,
I am permanently in a large, visible body cast and often need a cane to
walk. If other people are "uncomfortable" with my presence, it
is their
problem and not mine. I know from the way many people blush and look away
from me quickly when I am struggling to stand or maneuver in a tight space
that it makes them uncomfortable to see me, but I hope that I will never be
asked to leave a library room because of it! If I were, I would get a
lawyer and sue the hell out of that library - something that is very likely
to happen to you if you ask those caregivers to remove their disabled
charges from your children's room! Something we did not discuss much on
the
list is that for you to make a separate rule for these adults than for the
non-disabled adults in your library would violate the Americans with
Disabilities Act, and open both you personally and your library to a
potential lawsuit that you would have no
real chance of winning under current federal laws.
If you are going to bring up a controversial topic on a public board, there
is no sense being offended if people disagree with you. And there is
certainly no sense in changing the original story after people have
responded to it to make it seem as if we got it all wrong. You offered a
topic for discussion, and you got discussion. If you want the topic to
peter out, just stop responding to it and everyone will move on to another
topic like they always do.
Wanda Peterson
Jennifer Baker <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
wrote:
i'm finding that this discussion is getting further
and further away from my original question. at this
point i am both being accused of and defended for
things i didn't say.
--- Wanda Peterson wrote:
> The original poster, Jennifer, stated very clearly
> that the group of
> mentally challenged adults in question is under the
> constant supervision of
> caregivers and are in no way being disruptive or
> doing anything to bother
> any of the other patrons.
actually what i said was:
"several of them mumble a lot and one occasionally
howls or moans."
maybe i downplayed the fact that this is disruptive
but in fact it can be.
the other thing i take issue with as a person who has
taken graduate level sociology courses on human
behavior is the statement that "being uncomfortable
with a certain group of people for no other reason
than that they are different is called prejudice, or
bigotry."
bigotry implies intolerance by its literal
definition--looking at it socially it also extends to
hatred and extreme prejudice. however jumping from
discomfort with diversity to bigotry is far too
extreme.
discomfort with differences makes us human not
bigoted.
some of you may be much better humans than i so i
guess i'll have to beg your patience.
~j.
=====
~jenniferbaker
fresno co. public library
"I may not be an explorer or an adventurer or a treasure seeker or a gun
fighter Mr. O' Connell, but I am proud of what I am." "And what is
that?" "I
am a librarian!"
~ Evelyn, The Mummy
From: ann chapman [mailto:amom124@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:09 PM
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Re touchy question - the group in question is NOT being
Hello Jennifer! I was so happy to see your posting. I don't think
anyone
is personally attacking you, people just have very passionate feelings on
this subject. That said, I was feeling attacked for you! And your original
posting was so kind and tentative and really just an exploration of the
subject of the developmentally disabled and how they use the library. At
our small library we have such a man who comes regularly on the bus from
another town once a week - he says he was banned from his public library.
He talks to himself loudly most of the time and the rest of the time he goes
around to other patrons blessing them with loud voice and large movements.
We have had complaints from Mom's who had frightened children and from
adult patrons who were disturbed by the noise. We discussed the situation
with our director to see how we could serve this man as well as others and
keep everybody happy. Our director spoke with him and told him that the
library was for everybody and
that when he blessed people or talked very loudly it bothered
people. The
man agreed to whisper- which he does for the most part and only a few
blessings have occured lately. He is trying and we are trying to serve
him.
I loved some of the other responses that include developmentally disabled in
Story Hour or offer one just for them. I also think children can benefit
from the interaction, in fact we all could. Best of luck, Jennifer!
Ann
Jennifer Baker <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
wrote:
i'm finding that this discussion is getting further
and further away from my original question. at this
point i am both being accused of and defended for
things i didn't say.
--- Wanda Peterson wrote:
> The original poster, Jennifer, stated very clearly
> that the group of
> mentally challenged adults in question is under the
> constant supervision of
> caregivers and are in no way being disruptive or
> doing anything to bother
> any of the other patrons.
actually what i said was:
"several of them mumble a lot and one occasionally
howls or moans."
maybe i downplayed the fact that this is disruptive
but in fact it can be.
the other thing i take issue with as a person who has
taken graduate level sociology courses on human
behavior is the statement that "being uncomfortable
with a certain group of people for no other reason
than that they are different is called prejudice, or
bigotry."
bigotry implies intolerance by its literal
definition--looking at it socially it also extends to
hatred and extreme prejudice. however jumping from
discomfort with diversity to bigotry is far too
extreme.
discomfort with differences makes us human not
bigoted.
some of you may be much better humans than i so i
guess i'll have to beg your patience.
~j.
=====
~jenniferbaker
fresno co. public library
"I may not be an explorer or an adventurer or a treasure seeker or a gun
fighter Mr. O' Connell, but I am proud of what I am." "And what is
that?" "I
am a librarian!"
~ Evelyn, The Mummy
"The love of learning, the sequestered nooks, and all the sweet serenity of
books."
Longfellow
'Morituri Salutamus', 1875
Ann Chapman
Marshall District Library
Marshall, MI
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