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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 11:01 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 1297
PUBYAC Digest 1297
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) stumper
by Gwen Denney <gwen@vanderhage.net>
2) Stumper: Red Buckle Shoes
by "Steven Engelfried" <sengelfried@ci.beaverton.or.us>
3) ordering music CDs
by PATM <patm@selco.info>
4) lost child procedure
by "Kerry Reed" <kreed@lvdl.org>
5) Solved! STUMPER re: woodcarver
by "Lisa Crandall" <crandalll@cadl.org>
6) drums
by Nancy Bonne <bonne@noblenet.org>
7) Weeding 398.2 Compilation
by "Tabitha Hogan" <tabitha@acpl.org>
8) Re: science fiction vs. fantasy
by N Korsavidis <nkorsavidis@yahoo.com>
9) spine labels for picture books
by Mitzi Thomas <mthomas@co.st-johns.fl.us>
10) SAM responses
by "Jennifer Murphy, Head of the Children's Library"
<murphyj@uhls.lib.ny.us>
11) Solved! STUMPER--Silent Night mouse
by "Lisa Crandall" <crandalll@cadl.org>
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From: Gwen Denney <gwen@vanderhage.net>
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: stumper
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:01:19 CST
I have a friend who remembers reading a book back in the late 80's about
kids who were living in an underground city, made their way to the surface
and discovered a kind of biodome above the surface. It sounds a little
like
City of Ember, but was written at least 15 years earlier. Any
ideas?
Thanks,
Gwen Denney
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From: "Steven Engelfried" <sengelfried@ci.beaverton.or.us>
To: "Pubyac (E-mail)" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Stumper: Red Buckle Shoes
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:01:34 CST
Our patron is looking for a picture book published in the 1970s or =
earlier. All she can tell us is: It's about a little girl who tries
on =
lots of different shoes. She finally ends up with red buckle shoes.
=
We're ill-ing a book called Red Shoes for Rachel by Arnold Curtis, but =
aren't sure if that's the right one or not. If the description sounds =
familiar, please e-mail me. Thanks!
- Steven Engelfried, Head of Youth Services
Beaverton City Library
12375 SW 5th Street
Beaverton, OR 97005
503-526-2599
sengelfried@ci.beaverton.or.us=20
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From: PATM <patm@selco.info>
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: ordering music CDs
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:01:51 CST
I would like to know if any of you have a great source for finding
specific music CDs. I read these great reviews, and then I go to order
them and I only find a few titles.
Any info would be appreciated!
Thank you. Just email me:
patm@selco.lib.mn.us
Pat Martin
Red Wing Public Library
Red Wing, MN
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From: "Kerry Reed" <kreed@lvdl.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: lost child procedure
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:02:05 CST
Due to a couple of recent incidents, we are trying to design a response
procedure in the event a parent announces that they've lost their child.
We already have an Unattended Child policy, but I am interested in any
formal procedures you may have for an immediate response to the
situation. Our building is roughly 31,000 sq. feet with quite a few
hiding places.
In the same respect, do you also have a procedure for "lost parents"?
Thanks for your in put,
Responses can be sent to kreed@lvdl.org
Kerry Reed
Head of Youth Services
1001 East Grand Av.
Lake Villa, Il 60046
847/356-7711
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From: "Lisa Crandall" <crandalll@cadl.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Solved! STUMPER re: woodcarver
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:02:21 CST
Thank you all! I received the answer from over 30 people. The answer
to my
stumper is The Christmas Miracle of Jonathan Toomey by Susan Wojciechowski.
I'm putting a copy on hold for the patron. Thank you all for your help,
and
thanks for taking the time to spell Wojciechowski :-) Original stumper is
below:
A patron remembers reading a book about a woodcarver whose wife dies. A
nearby neighbor (a widow) and her son are either having him carve or have
him carve a Nativity set for them. Eventually, the woodcarver and the boy
become friends, and the woodcarver teaches the son to carve a bird. The
patron remembers the name Jonathan Tumi (sp?) somehow associated with the
story.
Thanks again!
Lisa Crandall
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From: Nancy Bonne <bonne@noblenet.org>
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: drums
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:02:36 CST
Hi, all...I've made some "drums" for my Mother Goose Story hour (18
mo-3yrs) for the kids to play as I read "Boom baby boom boom"
and was
wondering, since I now have the drums and drumsticks, if anyone out there
has a really cool thing to do with drums and kids that age. The only thing
I can think of is " The Grand old Duke of York" while drumming.
Are there
any good songs or rhymes? The drums, by the way, are two small paper soup
dishes put together rim to rim like a flying saucer, with colored tape
around the rims to hold them together. I also stapled in four places to
hold it for the tape to be applied. We have popsicle sticks for the
drumsticks. I'd love any ideas...at bonne@noblenet.org
Thanks! Nancy
Bonne
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From: "Tabitha Hogan" <tabitha@acpl.org>
To: <PUBYAC@prairienet.org>
Subject: Weeding 398.2 Compilation
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:02:50 CST
> Thank you for all of the responses to my inquiry about weeding the
> 398.2's! I have summarized many of these responses below--Following the
> summary, I have also included a few (only to save space & your
time) of
> the original replies containing more specific instruction. If you are
> interested in receiving all of the responses, please email me
off-list
> and I will send them to you.
>
> Summary of Replies:
>
> Resources:
> http://www.sunlink.ucf.edu/weed/
> Children's Catalog
> Storyteller's Sourcebook
> CREW Method
>
> Criteria:
>
> Appearance--Weed any dull, shabby materials.--Replace classics if
> possible.
> Is it a Classic?--Check Bibliographic Resources such as Children's Catalog
> & Storyteller's Sourcebook.
> Are there Stereotypes, are terms appropriate?
> Circulation--If it hasn't been checked out in 5-10 years.
> Is it written by a famous author? (if yes, and the condition is good-keep
> it)
>
> Other Options:
>
> Keep all of them
> Replace classics with new, brighter copies!
> Relocate & Promote them!!!
> Promote them to Local Storyteller's Guild
> Offer weeded items to the local storytellers Guild
>
>
> Original Replies---
>
> The 398's are the toughest. the old collections have stories that can
no
> longer be found. it is a hard decision to make: keep and no one
checks
> it out or make space? this is an area where keeping items is
often the
> choice. but the other criteria still apply: condition of
material;
> illustration quality; style; etc. sometimes the patrons who use
the
> 398's are very different than those who use other areas of the collection.
> college students (children's lit), teachers, someone looking for a
> particular story they remember, and looking for stories to tell aloud.
> another aspect to look for, how is the culture treated (represented)?
is
> it fair or do stereotypes enter the story, either through the text or
> illustrations? just a few thoughts. //julie tomlianovich
>
> -
> I think that you aren't alone in your reluctance to delete folk and fairy
> tales. They are near and dear to many of our hearts. If you are
weeding,
> though, you must not have enough space for the collection. As
difficult
> as it is, I've found that it is best just to treat them as any other
> collection. Discard those items with the least use, that are
most abused
> or that are so old that the art work or language makes them unappealing to
> current children (while Little Black Sambo has its place in the
history
> of children's literature, what does its place in your collection say to
> the African-American kids who find it on your shelves?) Public
libraries
> are living collections, not archives for all literature. The old and
> unused must, by and large, make way for the new and sought-after.
That
> said, I have always used weeding as an opportunity to find books that need
> to be replaced. I know some like to put things on a last chance
display
> but I prefer to simply order new editions/copies of classics that may not
> be on kids' radar screens. I put them in the new book collection
because
> they are new to the kids coming in to the library today.
> Eric Norton
> Head of Children's Services
>
> -
> I feel your pain, Tabitha. My branch has a very diverse and somewhat
> ancient collection of 398.2's that I just recently weeded.
>
> I guess it helps that I'm in a system as large as Nashville, so that if I
> see other branches have that same book, and that it checks out there,
> etc., I feel
> less guilty about getting rid of it. ** Plus I did it in the final
stages
> of planning my wedding --and when I'm stressed out, I LOVE to clean! :) **
>
> But here's my quick and somewhat-painless method:
>
> 1. If it's falling apart and would be difficult to repair or is not
worth
> repair, it's a no-brainer. Chunk it.
>
> 2. If it hasn't checked out in 5-10 years (depending on the size of
your
> library system/collection), Chunk it.
>
> 3. You know your audience best. Ask yourself: Is the story from
a
> culture that frequents your library? Does anyone ever request books
> about/like this subject/culture?
>
> 4. Is it by an author we all know and love who writes accurate and
fair
> portrayals of a culture (i.e. Hans Christian Anderson, Brothers Grimm,
> Shirley Climo,Robert San Souci, Aesop, Brushac, Goble, Demi,
etc.)?
> These books if in good condition, tend to be keepers!
>
> 5. For picture book versions, does the text go along with the
pictures?
>
> 6. What's the target audience for this book? Would kids in that
age
> group be likely to check this out? (i.e. versions of the frog prince that
> is antiquated
> and written for 5th graders may not be popular.)
>
> GOOD LUCK!
> Larissa Root, Children's Librarian
>
> -
> I had a similar problem here. We have an excellent fairy tale 398
> collection of older folk and fairy tales that are out of print and some
> more recent copyright fairytales. We were running out of room
in the
> nonfiction and the 398 were not circulating. In addition to being a
> librarian I am a professional storyteller and I know the worth of the
> collection but I also know they were not circulating. For 2 year I
> dedicated my time to speaking to regional storytelling guilds to use
the
> books ( they did not want them weeded but in 2 years they couldn't manage
> to check out one book) made bibliographies and gave programs on
what was
> available and how to use the motif index. I spoke at the local
colleges
> to the education and english depts. Nothing circulated, not even our
> bright, new, shiny, great artwork fairytale books. So last January I
> created a 1 range (25 shelves) special display for 398's. We hung
banners
> from the wall and put fairy tale stickers on the spine. All the books
> there are in good shape (no faded covers, ugly green binding), lots of
> great artwork and we face out many books so it is browsable.
All of the
> great classic books that I appreciate we still have in storage and are
> still on the computer and we will gladly get for patrons, but they
aren't
> on the shelves. I won't have circ #s until Jan. but I can tell you we
now
> RESHELVE fairy tales daily!! Both from patron returns (check outs)
and
> what has been left on tables in the children's area. Parents,
> grandparents, teachers and college students are amazed, "We
didn't know
> you had these! Did you just buy all of these?" And best of all,
"Do you
> have more?" I have been trying to replace older books as they
are
> reprinted and I hope as the younger children get hooked on picture book
> fairy tales as they grow up we can share the older collections/anth.
> without pictures. Hope this helps.
> Jennifer McQuilkin
>
> -
> When I weeded my fairy tales, I did so very cautiously, since a number of
> our classic fairy tale titles get heavy use by teachers. I didn't
want to
> weed anything important.
>
> I obtained a report from our tech services department listing all 398.2
> items that had circulated more than 50 times (as those would tend to be
> the most beat-up and older titles). Rather than working with
the
> physical collection, I wanted a listing of all the items in the collection
> meeting my criteria, since a lot of these titles are checked out at
any
> given time.
>
> Then I cross-checked my list with some major bibliographic resources, such
> as Children's Catalog and The Storyteller's Sourcebook. If one of
these
> titles was listed there, I highlighted it.
>
> When I got done with my highlighted list, I ordered replacement copies for
> the highlighted ones that were still in print, since having circulated so
> many times generally meant they were pretty ratty. The ones
that were no
> longer in print, I patched up as best I could with book tape.
>
> Once I had done that, I could weed anything that was left unhighlighted on
> the list. Many of them were cheesy Disney knockoffs, or poorly
> illustrated versions from the 70s and 80s. Since fairy tales
have become
> such a hot area in publishing in the last several years, it's not like we
> were hurting to have enough different versions of Cinderella.
So
> anything that looked like a book you'd by at Wal-Mart or in the checkout
> line at the grocery store (and there were a LOT of these) got
pitched.
>
> Hope this helps -- you can also take a look at the Weed of the Month Club
> website at http://www.sunlink.ucf.edu/weed/
-- they covered folktales in
> September 1998. It's a great website for weeding, with some
good advice.
>
>
> Good luck!
> Andrea Johnson
>
>
>
>
> Thanks again,
> Tabitha L. Hogan
> Youth Services Librarian
> Arkansas City Public Library
> 120 E. Fifth Avenue
> Arkansas City, KS 67005-2695
> Phone: (620) 442-1280
> Fax: (620) 442-4277
> tabitha@acpl.org
>
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From: N Korsavidis <nkorsavidis@yahoo.com>
To: Sheilah O'Connor <soconnor@tpl.toronto.on.ca>,
PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: science fiction vs. fantasy
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I have to agree that sometimes the books can be placed
either or. It's what makes the science fiction section
so hard to define.
I believe we have authors who I view as fantasy in our
science fiction section, but I am sure they can also
be considered either or.
Wasn't there a saying once that if it had green on the
cover (trees, etc) it was fantasy and if didn't, it
was science fiction? :)
Natalie
=====
Natalie Korsavidis
Youth Services Librarian
Farmingdale Public Library
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From: Mitzi Thomas <mthomas@co.st-johns.fl.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
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Subject: spine labels for picture books
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I would be interested in hearing from anyone in a PUBLIC LIBRARY about the
practice cataloging picture books.
Does your system catalog and label picture books just like J fic, YA fic,
and adult fiction books?
Does you system use a cataloging code such as "E" and the first
initial of
the author's last name on the spine?
Is your system doing something else?
Our system is currently torn between which is the best practice to use.
Any
insights would be much appreciated and I'd love to hear which method you
prefer and why.
Respond off list and I'll compile results and post if anyone is
interested.
Mitzi Thomas, Librarian
mitzi@nefllin.org
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From: "Jennifer Murphy, Head of the Children's Library"
<murphyj@uhls.lib.ny.us>
To: PUBYAC <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: SAM responses
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:03:34 CST
I got three replies from libraries who are using, or did use, SAM (the
program that allows patrons to sign themselves up for computer turns,
and also manages their printing jobs.) It sounds as though it is
important to have a responsive and well informed tech services
department, and to make some library policies about children's access to
computers and to printing. One thing we are considering is having an
incentive for kids to use a computer with SAM - perhaps they get a
longer turn - since it will require them to have a library card. But we
may keep one or two computers without SAM. Like so many things in
libraries, software developers don't really understand the unique needs
of children's services...!
Jendy Murphy
Albany Public Library
"Sue Hollingshead" <SHollingshead@larm.lib.wy.us>
wrote:
At Laramie County Library in Cheyenne Wyoming, we installed SAM on
around 15 PCS on a Novell network and had nothing but TROUBLE!!
Installation was very difficult and support wasn't any better. We had it
installed for about one year and canned it. We went with a different
solution.
Here are some of our experiences:
1. the database would crash about once a week. We would then have to
power off all PCS with SAM and rebuild the database. This caused patron
complaints.
2. Tech support would take forever to get back to me.
3. We would ask for changes to the system and they would try to
accommodate us. When it came time for SAM's upgrade, they didn't have a
record of our changes so we were back to square one.
4. We could never get them to have an hour glass (or anything) that
would show they have hit enter after typing in their user name
5. Set up on the individual PCS was a nightmare. We ALWAYS had to fight
the PC when doing an install.
I really could go on and on but it has been a year since we were on SAM
and I've really tried to forget that experience. Unless they have made
some changes in the last year, please think long and hard before going
to Comprises SAM.
We are now on a wonderful product called VendPrint. This experience has
been quite the opposite of SAM's.
Steven Engelfried, Head of Youth Services, Beaverton City Library,
wrote:
We have SAM for our adult computers, but not for our children's ones.
We're considering adding it for children, but so far are concerned that
requiring a library card will either limit access to kids without or
take up too much staff time as we use guest cards or whatever. I'd
love to see what others say about this if you can post the results.
Thanks!
- Steven Engelfried, Head of Youth Services
Beaverton City Library
12375 SW 5th Street
Beaverton, OR 97005
503-526-2599
sengelfried@ci.beaverton.or.us
"Kapila Sankaran" <ksankaran@springfieldpubliclibrary.com>
wrote:
We have the pleasure (?) of using SAM at our library.
I'm not sure how the protocols are different from sam in the adult
department, aside from knowing that adults have free access, while kids
are restricted to the "safe harbour" setting. We have 5 computers and
thus have set up 5 accounts. children can log onto the computers simply
by typing in "1" (or 2-5) as their logins, depending on which computer
they're sitting at. (The reason being that we didn't want to hold kids
responsible for not having their library cards with them in order to use
the computers; adults log onto the system with their library card
numbers---of course, young/old patrons alike figured out that anybody
can log onto any computer using 1,2,3,4 or 5, so sometimes we have to
"boot" such people off if we discover that the kids' computer accounts
are being used inappropriately. it
seems to work...).
Printing can be slow and cumbersome and sometimes requires help from
librarians; we haven't gone as far as letting kids (or adults) add
amounts of money to their accounts. sometimes pages don't print well
from the internet because the browser cache has to be cleared from time
to time. there seem to be some conflicts between SAM and windows 2000.
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From: "Lisa Crandall" <crandalll@cadl.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Solved! STUMPER--Silent Night mouse
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:03:49 CST
Thanks to Becky Tatar, Lynn Vitters, and someone at the library in Suffolk,
NY (sorry, no name given) for helping me find the answer to my Christmas
mouse stumper. You all make me look so good! The answer to the
stumper is
The Christmas Mouse by Elizabeth Wenning, published 1959. The patron was
thrilled. We don't have a copy in our system, but I'm ILLing (is that a
word? :-) a copy for her. Thanks for helping to make her day.
Original stumper below:
A patron (a former school librarian) remembers reading a book to her
students for many years every year at Christmas about the mouse that chewed
through the bellows at the church in Germany, leading to the composition of
"Silent Night." She remembers the book being quarto-sized,
having wood cut
illustrations, and being almost entirely in black and white. The only
things in the book that were colored were the crumbs in the kitchen. In
the
story, the mouse chews through the bellows of the church organ, then follows
the authors of "Silent Night" home to their kitchens, where he sits
under
the kitchen table while they write the words and music to "Silent
Night."
The patron thinks that the author might have a German sounding name, but
this may or may not be true. This books is at least 20 years old, probably
older.
Have a Merry Christmas everyone!
Lisa Crandall
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