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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 9 15:27:08 1998
From: "Johnson, Deidre" <djohnson@wcupa.edu>
Subject: Re: Adolescent "Recreational" Interests
>But having one filtered terminal available seems a possible compromise.
[...]
> After all, a certain amount of catering to fools is acceptable.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This type of attitude, sadly enough, would appear to be why the
"Family-Friendly" library movement still lives, In effect, it implies
that
only those parents holding views about the Internet similar to the
librarian's are worthy of respect; those who may have concerns about
extremely graphic material or who prefer to set guidelines for their
children can be labelled fools.
Deidre Johnson
djohnson@wcupa.edu
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 9 15:27:19 1998
From: "C. Foster" <cfoster@lib.ci.waco.tx.us>
Subject: One filtered terminal?
There are a few contributers to this listserv who have proposed the
possibility of solving the filtered/unfiltered dilemma by supplying one
filtered terminal for patrons who want it while leaving the rest
unfiltered. This solution quells a few, though not all, of my misgivings
about filtering; One filtered terminal might indeed help keep kids from
stumbling across obscene material; in the meantime, adults at the same
library would still be able to conduct unfettered searches on, say,
breast cancer without fear that the Thought Police would block helpful
sites containing the word "breast." However, I maintain some
misgivings.
1. I still think filters may be a fool's paradise in terms of
"safety."
If parents think that the filtered terminal will withhold any information
they don't want their children to have, they may lower their guard - and
find themselves offended and bitterly disappointed when the filter does
not parent their children in the way they would have liked for them to.
Remember also that what Mrs. Green allows for her children may be
repulsive to Mrs. Smith. I personally would not mind if my little son
ran across pictures of mothers nursing their babies, but other mothers
might, and that filter so many people seem to trust so mightily is not
necessarily going to fill their expectations. The parents still need to be
alert, and filters may make them less so.
2. It occurs to me that children have an innate fascination for anything
they are not allowed to have. If they are told that "this is the kid's
terminal, and that is the grownup terminal" might it not be considered a
real coup for a pre-teen to "sneak" to the "adult" terminals
just for the
thrill of getting away with something? Don't tell me for a minute these
nine and ten year olds aren't going to know the difference between the
terminals! Wouldn't it be better for the alert parents to guide their
children's choices on a library of unfiltered terminals, where there are
no "baby" terminals to cause that stigma?
By the way, I *know* that an awful lot of the children who come into our
libraries have inadaquate parental guidance and are basically running
wild. That happens a lot in the neighborhood where I work. But I am not
so naive to think that I can protect these kids from their bad homes by
watching over their shoulder when they get on the computer. If these
kid's parents don't care about them, where they go or what they do, a few
dirty pictures are the least destructive of their problems. The only
way I can help them is to spark their minds and widen their horizons with
the love of reading and interesting sources of good information. I am
not willing to take the risk of losing some of the good by getting
hysterical over the possibility of the bad.
These opinions are my own and do not necessarily indicate the views of my
employer.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 9 15:27:14 1998
From: "Jane Greene" <janeg@erols.com>
Subject: Re: author visits
I've seen Ann Rinaldi speak and she is very good with kids. So is Walter
Dean Myers. I think they both live in your area. Of course, if you want a
really big crowd, you could get every librarian's favorite author,
R.L.Stine.
Jane Greene
Gaithersburg Regional Library
janeg@erols.com
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> From: jmpietrb@infolink.org
> To: PUBYAC@nysernet.org
> Subject: author visits
> Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 10:58 AM
>
> Our library is considering having a young adult author come to speak
> at our library.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 9 15:27:08 1998
From: Filtering Facts <David_Burt@filteringfacts.org>
ubject: Re: Internet Access for Youth and Librarian Tolerance
Kirsten Edwards wrote:
>
>> We all censor in our jobs as librarians. None of you select
"Hustler" for
>> your collections. And don't tell me it's because of economics, because
as
>> you remember, you were offered a free subscription. We all deliberately
and
>> consciously exclude whole classes of material because the content is
>> offensive. We don't accomplish anything by trying to pretend that's not
>> true. Censorship isn't a dirty word. Censorship, for lack of a better
word,
>> is good for libraries.
>>
>Oh for the love of Pete. You come into my libraries and FIND me some
>shelf space - WITHOUT axing any of the (fewer than I'd like) magazines
>I've got & I'll accept a free subscription to HUSTLER. Do you know how
>many magazines I (and other) librarians turn down that we know our patrons
>would want because there just isn't room? Are you aware how much a
>new bookshelf would cost much less the building to find a place for it?
I heard this one before. When I first made my offer, several people
objected that it also costs money to process, circulate and store items. I
offered $100 to cover the costs. I *still* got no takers, then I raised it
to $250, well above the amount needed for storage, etc., and I still go no
takers. When obviously proved to be wrong, these same people responded that
I was a hypocrite because I was now trying to provide pornography to
children. Just can't win with some people.
>> It does take a village to raise a child, and librarians are a part of
that
>> village. All filtering say is "let's set a reasonable floor of
appropriate
>> content by keeping the pornography that we would never select in paper
or
>> video out of the library's computers". When parents live in a
community
>> where their children are protected from pornography, they have a right
to
>> ask that the library act similarly. That really isn't asking that much.
>
>Are you aware that making "community standards" the rule for
abbrogating
>ethical principals was used to defend the peculiar institution of slavery?
Are you aware how insulting you are being to all the victims of slavery by
trivializing their suffering to make a point?
>But...
>We could get into some amusing discussions about what "children
protected
>from pornography" (amusing to me that is) actually means, but allow me
>this proposal.
I'm not sure what argument you're making here. Is it "pornography is
undefinable, therefore,we should let children look at photographs of
bondage, bestiality, etc." I don't think too many people would buy that
one.
What would you say, if a library offered ONE terminal,
>obviously identified as the FILTERERD computer terminal, for people to use
>if they wanted to? If the other terminals remained unfiltered and
>identified as such.
>
I would say taxpayers are under no obligation to spend their hard-earned
dollars providing pornography. It's not our mission, and it is their money.
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David Burt, Filtering Facts, HTTP://WWW.FILTERINGFACTS.ORG
David_Burt@filteringfacts.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 9 15:27:08 1998
From: Rosanne Thompson <rthompso@timberland.lib.wa.us>
Subject: Re: global reach, local touch
The Youth Services Librarians in the Timberland Regional Library district
in Southwest Washington state will be having programs for teens on setting
up free e-mail accounts.
Rosanne Thompson
Olympia, WA
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Rosanne Thompson
Youth Services Librarian
Olympia Timberland Library Voice: 360-352-0595
313 8th Ave. S.E. FAX: 360-586-3207
Olympia, WA 98501-1307 e-mail: rthompso@timberland.lib.wa.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 9 15:27:14 1998
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: Censorship/D. Burt & Hustler
On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Julie Albright - Central Services - Ventura Public Library
wrote:
> I believe there is a difference between censorship and deciding whether a
> tacky item be included in a collection just because it's in print. A
> qualified person making educated selection choices is not a censor. And
> just because it's free, doesn't make Hustler any more shelf worthy.
Not only that, but if a person brought in a copy & sat down in our reading
area to view it, would we kick him out? Assuming of course, that he wasn't
creating a disturbance by doing anything other than reading/viewing <g>
Kirsten Edwards
kirstedw@kcls.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 9 15:27:14 1998
From: Angela Reynolds <ajrcm@teleport.com>
ubject: Mock Newbery
Just thought you folks might like to know:
We just held our mock Newbery election, and the students chose The
Iron Ring, by Lloyd Alexander as their winner. Chasing Redbird, by Sharon
Creech, came in a close second, and Out of the Dust, by Karen Hesse was third.
4th and 5th grade students chose these from a list of six books.
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Angela J. Reynolds
Youth Services Librarian
West Slope Community Library (Opinions, comments my own...)
Portland, OR
ajrcm@teleport.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 9 15:28:02 1998
From: Edmonds Reference Library <edmref@sno-isle.org>
Subject: appeal: please include address with signature
I wanted to reply to several individuals who posted messages to PUBYAC
in the last couple of days, but was hampered by one of the shortcomings
of my Netscape browser: for the reply it uses the PUBYAC address rather
than that of the original poster. If the poster includes her/his
address in the signature line, it's fairly easy to substitute that
address for PUBYAC's, but if s/he doesn't, replying becomes difficult.
So, everyone, please, please, PLEASE include your e-mail address in your
signature when posting a question or opinion! Thanks very much!
Jonathan Betz-Zall, Children's Librarian, Edmonds Library, Wash.
edmref@sno-isle.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 9 15:30:21 1998
From: "Vicky Smith" <vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us>
Subject: Re: Adolescent "Recreational" Interests
> From: schachtc@lcm.macomb.lib.mi.us
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:34:24 -0500
> Subject: Adolescent "Recreational" Interests
> How
> many of us would interloan a copy of that Madonna classic SEX for an
> interested 13 year old who thought it sounded like fun?
> Chuck Schacht
> Romeo District Library
> Romeo, MI.
I would. It's my job. Anyone else?
Vicky Smith
Children's Librarian
McArthur Public Library
Biddeford, ME 04005
(207)284-4181
vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 9 15:30:34 1998
From: Judy Sierra <sierra@continet.com>
ubject: Survey of favorite stories to tell
To all storytelling librarians,
I am about to begin teaching a storytelling course at the UCLA Department
of Library and Information Science. In 1988, I conducted a survey of
children's librarians' favorite stories to tell (some of the results were
published in a 1989 JOYS article). Now I'd like to update the survey, and
share the communal wisdom with my students and with the listserv as well.
Question: What is your all-time, favorite, can't-fail story to tell
(without the book, of course) to children ages 5-7 (grades k-2) ? To
children 8-9 (grades 3-4)? To children 10-11 (grades 5-6)? Please include
the source/sources for your telling.
Please respond directly to me at sierra@continet.com, and I'll post the
results in a few weeks. Thanks!
Judy
- - - - - - -
Judy Sierra 1766 Jefferson St.
Author and Folklorist Eugene, OR 97402
sierra@continet.com 541-334-6528 FAX: 541-485-1247
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 9 15:31:02 1998
From: Joni RB <JoniRB@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Internet Access for Youth and Librarian Tolerance
Kirsten--
You comment "What would you say, if a library offered ONE terminal,
obviously identified as the FILTERERD computer terminal, for people to use
if they wanted to? If the other terminals remained unfiltered and
identified as such." really tickled me--in a cynical way. How many folks
would use it? Who would use it? What about parents + kids who come in--would
they use it or avoid it? I'm betting it would be the last one taken and the
first one given up when another was free, no matter who was using it! But
that's just IMOHO.
Joni Richards Bodart
ps--be an interesting research project, tracking usage.....<wicked grin>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 9 15:31:28 1998
From: Susan LaFantasie <susanlaf@pcl1.pcl.lib.wa.us>
Subject: Chinese New Year
I am presenting a program for ages 10 and up. Any suggestions for dragon
crafts? Replay to susanlaf@pcl1.lib.wa.us--that is a one after pcl. TIA!
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 9 16:51:52 1998
From: "Pat & Sally O'Neil" <oneil@asbank.com>
Subject: Dinosaur finger plays and books
I've been asked to do a dinosaur story hour for preschoolers.Does anyone
have any finger plays or suggestions for good books? I have Danny and
the Dinosaur.
Sally O'Neil
oneil@asbank.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 9 16:51:52 1998
From: Sheehan <csheehan@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: STUMPER: ghosts in house
I have a patron looking for a book she read in the mid-1970s. She
describes this J novel as such: "A family of four is struck by
lightning while on an outing. They become ghosts who then go back to live
in their old house. They are friendly toward the new inhabitants of their
old home." I have checked our opac with no luck. Any ideas?
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Cheryl Sheehan
Children's and Parents' Services Librarian
Mastics-Moriches-Shirley Community Library
407 William Floyd Parkway
Shirley, Long Island, New York 11967-3492
(516) 399-1511 x377, fax: (516) 281-4442
csheehan@suffolk.lib.ny.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 9 16:52:06 1998
From: jwall@norby.latah.lib.id.us (Potlatch Library)
ubject: Mosquito stories
Hi to all!
I suspect that by February I will tired of snow and winter (I always am!),
so we're doing a series of summer themes - beach, picknicking, camping. We
have a GREAT mosquito puppet (Folkmanis), but I need 1 or 2 GREAT stories to
go along with it. (*Not* WHY MOSQUITOES BUZZ.)
I have lots of folk tales, but most of them seem to be over the heads of my
young (2-5) age group. (Try explaining the punchline of a joke to this age!)
BTW, not to bring this discussion up again, but I like themes. I always find
good books to go with the themes, and if I find only mediocre books, I don't
do the theme. I find that I do a lot of what Catherine (caes@pacificrim.net)
would call "mind mapping". (Thanks Catherine for your great storytime
ideas!) Also, parents seem to like to know what's coming up.
While I'm adding MHO, I appreciate the diversity of opinions expressed on
PUBYAC. It would be horrible if we were ALL the same - either "liberal
library lackeys" or "filtering fanatics." (No offense meant to
either end of
the spectrum - I was going for the alliteration!) Seriously, the discourse
encourages me that the First Amendment is alive and well in public libraries.
Jan Wall
Youth Services
Latah County Library
Moscow ID 83843
email: jwall@norby.latah.lib.id.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Fri Jan 9 16:52:11 1998
From: Donnette Hall <dhall@clsn1269.cumberland.lib.nc.us>
Subject: Library Vacancies
The Cumberland County Public Library & Information Center is currently
seeking librarians for our new 24,000 square feet North Regional Branch
Library, one position at the Headquarters Library and one position at Hope
Mills. Must possess an ALA accredited MLS degree. Negative drug test
required. Refer to position numbers listed below. Salary: $27,319. Please
submit a resume with references to Pat Jones, County Personnel, P. O.
Drawer 1829, Fayetteville, NC 28302 and copy to Donnette Hall, Personnel
Administrative Assistant, CCPL&IC, 300 Maiden Lane, Fayetteville, NC
28301-5000.
LIBRARIAN I - (Children's) 2 Positions # 1207 & 1209: Energetic librarians
who will provide programming, reference services, reader's advisory
service and collection development for the Children's Department.
LIBRARIAN I - (Student Liaison) 2 Positions - 1 North Regional Position #
1206, & 1 Hope Mills Branch Library # 1266: Customer-oriented librarians
who will provide information services (electronic and print) to include
answering reference questions and organizing adult and teen programming.
LIBRARIAN I - (Information Services) 2 Positions - 1 North Regional
Position # 1208, 1 Headquarters Library Position # 1462: Customer-oriented,
independent, tactful and courteous librarians who will provide information
services (electronic and print) to include answering reference questions
and assisting with selection of information resources.
__________________________________________________________________________
| Donnette Hall |
| Personnel Administrative Assistant |
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| Mail: Cumberland County Public Library & Information Center |
| 300 Maiden Lane |
| Fayetteville, North Carolina 28301-5000 |
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| E-Mail: dhall@cumberland.lib.nc.us |
| http://www.cumberland.lib.nc.us |
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| Phone: (910) 483-1580 |
| Fax: (910) 486-5372 |
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