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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 10:49:34 1998
From: bwilliams@brdgprtpl.lib.ct.us (Bina Williams)
Subject: RE: author visits
Well, no, you probably could not...R.L.Stine does not do school visists,
bookstore visits or library visits as a rule. (If he started, he'd have to
live to be 3000 to fit in all the schools and libraries that wanted him!)
Caroline B. Cooney is a great, funny speaker for kids. She lives in CT but
travels all over the country. Contact Bantam Doubleday's juvenile book
division for more info.
Bina Williams
Bwilliams@brdgprtpl.lib.ct.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 10:49:28 1998
From: KATHYB@anokas.anoka.lib.mn.us
Subject: disagreements on pubyac
Thanks, Jan Wall, for saying you like discussions on pubyac.
I have not posted much lately because of the tendency some people have
to gang up on someone with a minority view. I appreciate hearing other
opinions, but I hate being the target of great disapproval when I merely
state my opinions.
A few months ago, when I posted that I do not use themed storytimes,
one person informed me that you have to use themes so you can let the
patrons know in advance which stories you will be reading. That was the
post that did me in. So you cannot let the patrons know this unless you
have a theme! First time I ever heard of THAT reasoning.
I would ask that we all be a little more generous with each other than
we all too frequently are. And I like what Will Manley has been saying
yesterday. I do not blindly follow the tenets of ALA or any other
organization.
Kathy Baxter Anoka County Library Minnesota
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 10:49:29 1998
From: Nissa Perez <harleyq@ucla.edu>
ubject: Re: Censorship/D. Burt & Hustler
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point of librarianship to provide all
kinds of information to the public regardless of our personal
feelings/opinions on said item(s)? Granted, with today's budgets there
isn't room to offer various materials, but who are we to dismiss an item
merely because it's "tacky?" I find most popular women's magazines
tacky,
however I wouldn't be able to keep _Elle_, _Vogue_, or _Cosmopolitan_ off
the periodical shelves merely because of my feelings since they're socially
acceptable.
Qualified people are capable of making educated selections, however this
point seems lost in the argument.
Feel free to flame me personally (harleyq@ucla.edu).
Nissa Perez
email: harleyq@ucla.edu
Second Year MLS Student
Department of Library and Information Science
Graduate School of Education and Information Studies
University of California, Los Angeles
"Common Sense is not so Common." --- Volatire
At 03:48 PM 1/8/98 -0800, Julie Albright, Children's Services, Ventura CA wrote:
>I believe there is a difference between censorship and deciding whether a
>tacky item be included in a collection just because it's in print. A
>qualified person making educated selection choices is not a censor. And
>just because it's free, doesn't make Hustler any more shelf worthy.
>
>Julie Albright, Children's Services, Ventura CA
>vclsaj2@rain.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 10:49:34 1998
From: "Hudson, Sarah" <shudson@plcmc.lib.nc.us>
Subject: Filtering and YA internet recreational use
Hello,
I've been refraining from commenting on the internet filters, because I'm not
sure I can express myself completely. But I want to put my two cents in, and
this is MY opinion, not that of my institution.
Many teens use our internet terminals for study and then move on to
recreational sites. Anyone under 18 must have a parents signature to use our
terminals, and they have to adere to our internet policy. I might even enjoy
some of the sites they pull up.
We do have a written internet policy in place but we do not use a filter. Our
policy prohibits the display of sexually graphic material.
At our location, we have 15 computers in one lab. We do not have privacy
screens. For the most part, it is NOT teens who violate the policy, but adult
males.
Our branch is located in a busy neighborhood, and is on the corner of a major
road through the city. There are plenty of people who do use the internet to
view sexually explicit material. I do not like telling people to get off
playboy.com, and more explicit sites, because I do not enjoy viewing that type
of material. But that is my job. I feel that some people pull that type of site
up when I, or another woman are in the lab, because it gives them a thrill to
have me come over and give them attention. I have had to tell people to take
the quick time video of sexual acts off of their screen. (I did substitute
sexual
acts for the term I wanted to use, because someone's filter might pick it up)
I personally do not like the idea of putting up privacy screens or cubicles.
That, to me, just seems to me to be turning the library into a publicly funded
peep show. I'm not crazy about Joe sitting next to me looking over and
reading my search, but I don't want to be the one to clean up after Joe has
gotten his kicks on the internet. And at our location, Cosmopolitan and Glamour
seem to do the trick for some people.
I'm all for free speech, and I don't care what someone does in the privacy of
their own home. But you do have community standards, many of which
are delegated by County and State laws. We have a heavy family and child
usage in our branch, and I don't want someone's viewing of pornography
to infringe on the rights of our other patrons. We are just asking our users
to be socially responsible in the public setting.
Public Libraries are in a different position than school libraries, as well.
We do have a research and study hour from 3pm-7pm M-F do to the demand
on internet usage at our location. We ask users not to pull up videos, lyrics,
or game sites during that time period because we have many people who
come to do homework or job searching, or other research at that time. We
created this time for practical purposes.
I am just sharing real-life examples from our setting, and I understand
usage will vary from location to location. Any policy we use is enforced for
ALL ages, not just teens.
Sarah
Sarah Hudson
Information Specialist
Independence Regional Library
Public Library of Charlotte and Mecklenburg County
shudson@plcmc.lib.nc.us
Opinions are my own, and do not reflect those of the Library
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 10:49:31 1998
From: Erica Sternin <hip@spl.lib.wa.us>
Subject: Re: Homework Helper WWW Sites
Two of my favorite homework sites are:
B. J. Pinchbeck's Homework Helper http://tristate.pgh.net/~pinch13/
and Homework Heaven www.homeworkheaven.com/
BJ Pinchbeck's site is my favorite, partly because I have used it more,
and also because the site is run by a 10 year old boy.
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Erica B. Sternin Outside of a dog, a book
High Point Branch Is a man's best friend.
Seattle Public Library Inside of a dog
6338 32nd Ave SW Its too dark to read.
Seattle WA 98126
hip@spl.lib.wa.us ---Groucho Marx
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 10:49:30 1998
From: Teri Titus <titust@pls.lib.ca.us>
ubject: filtered thoughts
The area of filtering is fraught with assumptions.. the assumpution we
know what should be filtered..well, yes, some say, there is the 'real'
pornography.. now, just what is that? maybe there is something that we
can agree on as pornogrphy, but what if we move just a little away from
the the extreme end? How far away until we get to erotic, or sensual? Of
course, one person's erotic is another's pornography. The assumption that
pornography is the only thing that will be filtered.. or that we
(librarians) want filtered. Do we settle for what we are comfortable
with? So, if we are not comfortable with growing & using drugs, making
bombs, joining extremist organizations (KKK, Arayan Brotherhood) do we
filter (censor) those also? And if this information is for a report will
this make a difference? The assumption that all 'children' are the same.
What ages are we talking about? Few (if any) young children (under say 6)
are likely to be using Internet alone, and if they are just banging on the
mouse, they probably aren't going to care what's on the screen anyway.
Middle grades? Mostly, sex is 'Yuck', a few giggles & they're on to
something else. Pre-adolescents & adolescents have many questions about
their bodies & sex and are entitled to answers. If a children's terminal
is the only one filtered, what is the age limit? Under 10? 15? 18? Are
you going to 'card' to verify age? If the child needs information and the
only available terminal is in the adult area, will that terminal sit
unused while the child waits for a 'safe' terminal? The assumption that
children are flocking to pornographic sites. I recall a front page article
in the SF Chronicle some months ago about Internet terminals at SFPL and
that children 'could' access pornography.. yet *no place* in the article
was there any indication that children had tried to or even wanted to.
Adults were interviewed who were worried about what children 'could' do;
nobody asked the children. In my experience it's adults who are
pre-occupied with pornography, not kids. (They can find plenty of other
things to make adults blanch.) The assumption that poronography, etc, is
in fact harmful. The way children perceive things is often influenced by
the way adults expect them to be influenced. The assumption that software
filters work. I find it scary to hand over control about what is
available through Internet to a software company. Why is this company any
more qualified to determine what a patron should view than that patron.
The only acceptable filter, and the best one, is the one we carry with us.
Our own minds, our ability to evaluate material is far more efficient than
any commercial product. Do our patrons, children or adults, have these
skills? Not necessarily. But how will they learn unless they have the
whole expanse of the Intenet to hone these skills on? As the Internet
proliferates (hourly it seems) it becomes ever more important that we
learn to quickly evaluate pages to see if they are useful, to see what
credability they have and discard those that don't meet the need. Critical
thinking is vital skill; Internet can be used to help teach some aspects
of it. Don't like what's on the screen? Just click your heels together
(oops, I mean mouse) and point to home...
(and in case it's not clear.. no, I do not support the use of filters on
library computers. All usual disclaimers about opinions being my own
apply..oh, yeah, all typos are mine also..)
)
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Teri Titus, Belmont Branch Library, SMCo
1110 Alameda, Belmont, CA 94002
titust@pls.lib.ca.us
phone: 650-591-8365
fax: 650-591-1195
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 10:49:55 1998
From: "Vicky Smith" <vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us>
Subject: Re: appeal: please include address with signature
> So, everyone, please, please, PLEASE include your e-mail address in your
> signature when posting a question or opinion! Thanks very much!
> Jonathan Betz-Zall, Children's Librarian, Edmonds Library, Wash.
> edmref@sno-isle.org
I will append my plea to Jonathan's. Would it be possible for folks
to include basic information about where they're writing from? A
simple line such as Jonathan's (above) is very helpful when people
are discussing policies, use patterns, etc. I may be alone in this,
but I find it helpful to know what city/state people are practicing
in, and many email addresses are too cryptic for me to puzzle out.
Thanks!
Vicky Smith
Children's Librarian
McArthur Public Library
Biddeford, ME 04005
(207)284-4181
vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 10:50:07 1998
From: "Vicky Smith" <vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us>
Subject: Re: Internet Access for Youth and Librarian Tolerance
> I would say taxpayers are under no obligation to spend their hard-earned
> dollars providing pornography. It's not our mission, and it is their money.
>
>
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> David Burt, Filtering Facts, HTTP://WWW.FILTERINGFACTS.ORG
> David_Burt@filteringfacts.org
Mr. Burt:
This strikes at the core of what a library is, and I believe that you
know it. I am offended mightily by hard-core porn, but I am just as
mightily offended by Rush Limbaugh. I would love for my hard-earned
tax dollars not to pay for either, but in agreeing to establish a
library, I had to accept that not everything in it was going to
appeal to me. I am afraid that it IS our mission, and that once the
taxpayers give the money to the library, it is NOT their money.
Offended taxpayers are, of course, free to avoid both Rush and porn,
and are free to keep their own children from being corrupted by
either.
Vicky Smith
Children's Librarian
McArthur Public Library
Biddeford, ME 04005
(207)284-4181
vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 10:50:33 1998
From: Maria Wegscheid <mwegsche@libby.rbls.lib.il.us>
Subject: Re: wholesome censorship
On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Kirsten Edwards wrote:
> The idea that government employees on government time should be political
> activists for any cause however worthy is obscene. Not to mention that you
> should have your hands full defending the first ammendment rights of your
> patrons.
And yet, fighting against censorship is political activism. If we are
fighting for a young person's right to read, then we are politically
active.
Political activism does not occur in a vacuum. If you are taking a stance
on an issue that is or can be addressed politically (which they all can
be) you are being a political activist at some level. I think of this
every year when Red Ribbon Week rolls around. If we post Red Ribbons at
the public library to protest drug use, then that is a political
statement.
I don't know what the answer to this is. I do try to make my Red Ribbon
displays non-committal, i.e., instead of "don't use drugs", it's
"make
sure you know what you're doing". For Banned Books Week, my teen board
sponsored "An Open Discussion of your Right To Read" -- not a rally
defending the freedom to read.
My caution is : Be wary of making this a black and white issue. It's not.
We cannot hold ourselves and our opinions above others by claiming that we
do not adhere to a political agenda. We do. We also cannot be quick to
claim that some media does not harm children, since we are very quick to
claim that other media benefits them. We cannot even claim that there are
two sides to every coin -- in this case, there is a multiplicity of sides.
While keeping these cautions in mind, I encourage you : battle on. This
discussion is helping librarians across the country decide where they
stand.
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Maria J. Wegscheid
Bettendorf (IA) Public Library
mwegsche@libby.rbls.lib.il.us
Views expressed by the author do not necessarily represent those of the
Bettendorf Public Library.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 10:50:34 1998
From: schachtc@lcm.macomb.lib.mi.us
Subject: Wholesome censorship IS childhood trauma
PU> In a recent PUBYAC post, Bonita Kate quoted Gavin De Becker from
PU> his book The Gift of Fear, describing how one adult who cares can make
PU> a tremendous difference in the life of a child. Also recently Susan
PU> Melancon shared her views on "wholesome censorship". Her view
that "The
PU> first amendment has stood erect for some 200 years now and it does not
PU> need librarians to protect it" not only denegrates the whole
democratic
PU> process, but flings a further insult at parents, children and young
PU> adults. It is implied that they cannot make their own choices, but we
PU> know what is best. When I was in 12 or 13 I was reading My Darling, My
PU> Hamburger and my mother at some point must have read some part of it
PU> because she freaked out and called the school and embarrassed me to no
PU> end. ...
PU> My point being, "wholesome censorship" is a euphemism for
repression.
PU> Amy Canadee, Young Adult/Reference Librarian
PU> Wadsworth PL, OH
PU> Opinions are my own.
I feel your pain, Ms. Canadee; with parents this repressive and
unfeeling it's a wonder you ever made it to adulthood. Why, they
probably didn't even let you drive the family car when you were 12 or
have your own handgun or smoke cigarettes or drink margaritas, or stay
out all night or even watch adult videos; didn't they KNOW that you were
perfectly capable of deciding what was best for you, even at that tender
age? Absolutely appalling. Now that you've assured us that there is no
need for parents or any other adults to ever feel the need to act in any
sort of protective/supervisory capacity over young persons and that
their development will proceed just fine thank you without our help, we
can gratefully lay aside these odious tasks and move on to the next
topic. Anybody read Lord of the Flies recently?
Chuck Schacht
Romeo District Library
Romeo, MI.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 10:51:28 1998
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: Internet Access for Youth and Librarian Tolerance
On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Filtering Facts wrote:
> I heard this one before. When I first made my offer, several people
> objected that it also costs money to process, circulate and store items. I
> offered $100 to cover the costs. I *still* got no takers, then I raised it
> to $250, well above the amount needed for storage, etc., and I still go no
> takers. When obviously proved to be wrong, these same people responded that
> I was a hypocrite because I was now trying to provide pornography to
> children. Just can't win with some people.
$250 won't purchase new shelving or building space to put it in. Sorry.
(Snipped - re - allowing communities to set standards for what is
permissible to read, view etc.)
> >
> >Are you aware that making "community standards" the rule for
abbrogating
> >ethical principals was used to defend the peculiar institution of
slavery?
>
> Are you aware how insulting you are being to all the victims of slavery by
> trivializing their suffering to make a point?
No. I'm aware that Southerners in times past restricted access to anti-
anti-slavery information because (their opinion) it was wrong & indecent.
The whole "community standards" argument is nonsense. In grade school
you
heard your mother tell you "If every kid ran off a cliff, would you?!"
You're side-stepping the issue & not particularly cleverly.
> What would you say, if a library offered ONE terminal,
> >obviously identified as the FILTERERD computer terminal, for people to
use
> >if they wanted to? If the other terminals remained unfiltered and
> >identified as such.
>
> I would say taxpayers are under no obligation to spend their hard-earned
> dollars providing pornography. It's not our mission, and it is their money.
No. You want SOME members of community X to be permitted to tell ALL the
members of their community that, because they obviously know best, ALL
members of their community may and shall only read & view what they deem
permissible.
Parents can protect their children from pornography by... protecting THEIR
children. Being there. Taking the time to care for them. Can't do it?
Want the librarians to do it for them? Want to restrict everyone's choices
because you can't or won't take care of your responsiblities? Well, call
in the censors -oops! Filters...
"It takes a village" is a tired excuse for librarians who, all along
have
been uncomfortable with the choices some people make.. and want to move in
and make "better" choices for their own good.
Kirsten Edwards Even if your choices are better or
kirstedw@kcls.org wiser I demand the freedom to
make my own mistakes.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 10:51:46 1998
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: Internet Access for Youth and Librarian Tolerance
Hi all,
Just an addendum to the whole issue of net porn. I said earlier that I
seemed probable that the reason it's such a hot issue is that there's no
meta-level agreement on acceptable sexual behavior (You doubt me? Take
walking hand in hand, kissing, intercourse, same sex intercourse...I could
go on, but you get the picture - I can point to times and places where
each activity was revolting! digusting! Don't let the small children see
THAT!). For example, outside of Star Trek, justice [fair play] is a moral
value everyone in nearly every time & place agrees on. Now FWIW, I've
solved the dilemma for myself (what is moral sexual behaviour) by (1)
Following biblical injunctions (I'm a Christian, tho you can't always tell
it by the way I lose my temper) and applying meta-level rules (fair play,
honesty, self-discipline, responsibility, etc.) to the choices I've made.
You get the idea. But because there isn't unanimous agreement,
legislating this behaviour is really tricky. One man's moral act is
another's heinous crime. Now, back to filters (I'm getting there). To
put it as brutally as possible, I don't know what evidence exists (if
any) to prove that seeing a picture of a grown man raping a cow, while
knee-deep in pink jello is going to harm a child. Child sees this image.
Now what? I do know that we can prove that a child is harmed by (1) Non-
involved parents (2) Lack of food (2) Lack of shelter (3) Violent acts...
and so on. Do you see the comparison? Worst case scenario and we're not
SURE that it harms the child. Common sense tells us that it's a pretty
nasty picture (and I'd report the man to the ASPCA) and we wouldn't go out
of our way to show it to small children (or adults for that matter) but
is it worth selling out an ethical principle (Government may not restrict
access to information) or a constitutional liberty for a maybe?
But more importantly, you CANNOT protect your child - or anyone's child -
from nasty images. Don't get me wrong. The evidence people report about
how a book, video, story or (rarer) an image changed their lives is
overwhelming. But the actual effect is hard to predict. JONATHAN
LIVINGSTON SEAGULL - a life-afirming, if a bit froo-froo, little
inspirational book was cited in the note they left as the reason a couple
committed suicide. If true, who could've known? An innocuous little book
like that? It's impossible to predict which image, which story will "scar
a child for life" and which will go right over their head.
So what's left for the concerned parent?
Teach your kids to look at all incoming (That's a good way to thing of it
- like in a MASH unit - INCOMING!!!) stories, videos, TV-stuff, magazine
articles with a suspicious mind. Is it true? Fair? Moral? Teach them to
make moral decisions and to stand up for them. Even if they're unpopular
and result in unpleasant consequences.
Then no porn in the world can touch them. If all you do is lock them up,
"protect them", you'll never be sure - for a moment - that once out of
your sight they won't be getting into the most Godawful mischief.
Longwindedly yours,
Kirsten Edwards
kirstedw@kcls.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 10:49:28 1998
From: Peter Butts <pbutts@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Filters & Straw Men
A logician would die laughing at this whole argument; so would most
kids. The major arguments are generally a pack of straw men.
"Would you inter-library loan Madonna's _Sex_ for a teenager?"
--What are the odds of that even coming up? Frankly if one of my
students had the guts to bring it up, I'd probably see what I could do.
It would probably be for legitimate research rather than for kicks,
anyway.
"Would you put _Hustler_ on your shelves?"
--Get real: we don't have the money...I can think of a thousand
periodicals kids would ask for first. Have you had a patron request for
_Hustler_ lately?
"Only Recreational Use" is probably the silliest fallacy. As an adult
I
take my recreational interests very seriously: I would not be pleased if
my public library couldn't provide material on piping, martial arts, or
philosophy. Heard of any PLs dropping their geneology sections lately
because they were just for "recreational use"? I didn't think so. In
schools we collect a lot of "recreational" material because we support
students' development as readers and we want them to be reading as much
as they can.
The money argument is probably the biggest logical fallacy: if libraries
DID have unlimited or even adequate resources we'd be very different
places and the nature of this argument would be radically different.
The "tax dollars" fallacy is an issue of communication: as long as our
constituents don't understand our mission, there will always be groups
making these kinds of attacks.
But the designation of filtered/non-filtered terminals made me realize a
few things about why we're having this debate in the first place.
It's not about kids accessing pornography; as someone mention on another
list, pornography is NOT a big deal with most kids, 99% of the 11-15
year-olds I work with would be embarassed to death by it (even the ones
we know are having sex already).
It's also not really our argument: in part it's being shaped by the
absurd claims that the Internet is some kind of virtual library--it's
not, and we better spend as much time promoting what a library IS as we
do debating filters. That otherwise intelligent people could draw such
an analogy is a professional embarassment.
I also suspect we're being drawn unwittingly into the validity debate:
the very first thing I tell students about the Internet is that it is
not always the best resource and not all the information on the Internet
is accurate or appropriate. Kids understand this, why can't adults?
Next comes the concept of the whole universe of information on a single
terminal: here's the pandora's box. In the real world it doesn't bother
"most of us" that our library contains books for everyone, many of
them
inappropriate for many of our users. But put it "all" (and more..) on
line to a single computer screen and we go reeling on "what ifs."
Guess what folks! We've just ignored several fundamental principals of
the profession. Wasn't it Ragnathan (sp?) who said "Every reader, his
book" ....... this discussion takes the most important person out of the
scenario: the patron. 99.9% of the time, "the book" that
"reader" is
looking for on the Internet is not at all pornographic, or whatever
raises your blood pressure.
The Internet is a service, it is not a "book," it is not some kind of
surrogate "library"; to abridge that service because of hypothetical
fears is professional folly... Can we get on with the business of
putting up a librarian presence in cyberspace, and get over these
transitional fears?
--
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* Peter Butts * "...one man gathers what *
* East Middle School * another man spills." *
* 373 E. 24th St. * *
* Holland, MI 49423 * http://www.macatawa.org/~ems/ *
* pbutts@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu * MEL--http://mel.lib.mi.us/
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 11:57:11 1998
From: Dallas DiLeo <dileod@clpgh.org>
Subject: RE: Dinosaur finger plays and books
There's an activity book called _Dinosauring_ by R. Simmons et al
from Channels to Children Publishing in Colorado.
Our copy has been added to a patron's personal library - or I would
be happy to send you a few things. Hope I can get a replacement.
Dallas DiLeo
Head, Children's Department
Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh
4400 Forbes Avenue Pittsburgh PA 15213
(412) 622-3189
dileod@clpgh.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 11:57:22 1998
From: ILefkowitz <ILefkowitz@aol.com>
Subject: Thank you!
I wanted to thank all the people on the list who suggested fiction titles that
take place in the Dominican Republic for me. Unfortunately the teacher
thought most of them were too advanced for her kids. At least I know that I
supplied her with a list of what was available thanks to you folks!
Ilene Lefkowitz
YA Librarian
Englewood Public Library (NJ)
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 11:57:33 1998
From: Chris Harbison <SML_CHRIS@chstls.org>
Subject: BIB: Board Books for Reach Out and Read
Yes, I'm the guilty party who asked for suggested board book titles for my
Reach Out and Read program in Chemung County, New York way back in November.
I've received some wonderful responses but am a known procrastinator - have had
good intentions of reporting back to the list on my progress. What can I say
but mea culpa, mea culpa. When I saw "minero@aol.com"s posting, I knew
I needed to get moving.
I won't explain what Reach Out and Read is because Maggie has done a good job
of that. I'm just now getting to the ordering of the books for our
program. Bookmen, Inc. has been quite helpful - able to supply us with most
selected titles in quantities. Some are o.p. already, even though they're
listed in their '98 catalog. Also some of the titles suggested to me by
you great folks are also o.p. (some Oxenbury's) oh, well -
Here is the list I've compiled from all your responses:
1,2,3 and Black on White and other titles by Tana Hoban
Baby Plays by Fiona Progoff
Baby's Home by Neil Ricklin
Barnyard Dance by Sandra Boynton
Corduroy Goes to the Doctor by Don Freeman
Count by Denise Fleming
Goodnight Gorilla by Peggy Rathman
Good Night Moon by Brown
I Went Walking by Julie Vivas
It Looked Like Spilt Milk by Shaw
More More More Said the Baby by Williams
Mr Brown Can Moo, Can You! by Seuss
Pudgy Where is Your Nose? Book
Quack Quack by Claire Henley
Real Mother Goose Husky Books
Teddy Bear Teddy Bear by Michael Hague
Ten Nine Eight by Molly Bang
Tomie DePaola's Mother Goose
*** my #1 choice - the brand new Smile! and Peek-a-Boo!
by Roberta Intrater (great photos of happy faces)
also Bialosky's Bedside Books and Five Ugly Monsters by Elmira's very
own Tedd Arnold who has been very supportive to our program.
*****
titles by:
Deborah Bailey
Bryan Barton
Eric Carle
Miora Kemp
Margaret Miller
Helen Oxenbury
Nancy Tafuri
Rosemary Wells
***
titles for African Americans by :
Carol Boston Weatherford
Paula deJoie
Elosie Greenfield
Angela Johnson
Cheryl Willis Hudson
***
My concern over including a multicultural mix was taken care of by Bookmen.
They have labeled such titles in their catalog with a [M] - yea! Choosing
books with animal characters is a good way of avoiding the whole issue too!
***
Other responses mentioned that board books with clear, photographic
illustrations of familiar objects or baby's faces are what babies love.
A note of warning said that many children's classic titles are now being
published as board books - true- and they don't always work well with the
very young. The lesson is be selective - just because it's a board book
doesn't mean it's toddler book. However, I think they still are great
for keeping the cost down and providing good titles for the 3-6 year olds
in our ROR program - ex: Guess How Much I Love You?, Is Your Mama a Llama?
Jesse Bear, What Will You Wear?
****
I, like Maggie, would love to see your picks of THE VERY BEST titles for all
age catagories 6 months-6 years.
Many thanks once again - what did we do before PUBYAC?
Chris Harbison sml_chris@chstls.org
Head of Youth Services
Steele Memorial Library
Elmira, NY 14901
607-733-9174
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 11:57:42 1998
From: Susan LaFantasie <susanlaf@pcl1.pcl.lib.wa.us>
Subject: Re: Dinosaur finger plays and books
My favorite is Dinosaur Roar! by Stickland; also Dinosaur Garden, Hey
Pizza Man! ( the kids love this book and it has one dino in it), Dinosaur
Chase, and for older preschoolers to K and up--How I Captured A
Dinosuar. Good luck! (You might try adapting "Five Little Monkeys to
Five Little Dinosuars . . . ).
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Pat & Sally O'Neil wrote:
> I've been asked to do a dinosaur story hour for preschoolers.Does anyone
> have any finger plays or suggestions for good books? I have Danny and
> the Dinosaur.
> Sally O'Neil
> oneil@asbank.com
>
>
>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 11:59:11 1998
From: Walter Minkel <walterm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us>
Subject: Newbery, Caldecott, King, Belpre
Folks-- Last night Roxanne Hsu Feldman & I (we're the ALSC website
managers) sat in the New Orleans Convention Ctr coding & scanning
furiously until nearly 4 in the morning preparing all the Web pages for
the Newbery, Caldecott, CS King, & Pura Belpre awards. They were just
posted, so you can go see who won:
Newbery: http://www.ala.org/alsc/newbery.html
Caldecott: http://www.ala.org/alsc/caldecott.html
CS King: http://www.ala.org/srrt/cskaw98.html
Belpre [Latino books for kids award]: http://www.ala.org/alsc/belpre.html
If there are typos, let me know, please. We will add the Batchelder,
Wilder & other awards to the ALSC site within a week, and I'm working on
getting all the Notables on the site within a week as well. Stay tuned.
You would be amazed how many people there are in a convention center at
3:30 am. --W
Walter Minkel, School Corps Technology Trainer
Multnomah County Library, 205 NE Russell St., Portland, OR 97212
Voice (503)736-6002; fax (503)248-5441; walterm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us
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Was it a cat I saw? --Palindrome-of-the-month Club
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Jan 12 11:59:30 1998
From: Janet Oslund <joslund@colosys.net>
ubject: Re: Sequel to Daddy's Roommate
Go to http://amazon.com and search under the title _Daddy's Wedding_.
You will find an excerpt from _Kirkus Reviews_, 6/01/96.
At 12:02 PM 1/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I am wondering if anyone has heard anything about the new sequel to
>_Daddy's Roommate_ by Michael Wilhoite. The sequel is titled _Daddy's
>Wedding_.
>
>Only one library in our large consortium has it, and I do not recall
>seeing any reviews on it.
>
>Can anyone give any personal reviews/feedback on _Daddy's Wedding_?
>
>TIA
>
>Ellysa Cahoy
>Children's Librarian
>Burlington (MA) Public Library
>
>
>
Janet L. Oslund, MLS
Youth Services Librarian
Montrose Library District
434 S. 1st
Montrose, CO 81401
joslund@colosys.net
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