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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 13:53:20 1998
From: owner-pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: Re: Library Jokes

Dear Pubbers: Anent: Shannon VanH's message about problems of
"messaging"
(messaging?). The weird messages are the ones I like. One of the
weirder
ones was that from Mr. Burt. Tch. Tch.

I don't think that even Shannon VanH, the wonder of the E-mail list
world,
can fix THAT.

--Big Grandma

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"You may not be able to change the world, but at least you can embarrass
the guilty." Jessica Mitford (1917-1996)
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 13:54:53 1998
From: lochwouters@axp.winnefox.org
Subject: Re: teenagers in children's room on terminal

>>>>terminals in the children's dept, and they seem to be taken up by
teenagers<<<<<

This is what I don't get. Isn't the obvious solution to post some
rules? Ages allowed, minutes allowed, proper behavior? The golden rule
would seem to apply. Is the problem that we're just to polite to point
out
rude behavior? Then best scurry back to the catalogers' desk and hide
from
the public.
But the public wants rules. Even the rowdiest want to know when
their
time to be selfish is.
The plea a bit back for a debate to stop was amusing as well.
Rather
than just staking out a position and defending it to the death, why not
work
on solutions? Say, post a proposed rule or policy to PUBYAC and ask for
revisions. Keep revising back and forth until the policy meets the
needs of
the greatest number. Finish with a product that can be used.
But then I've only been at this for 25 years, so I could be
wrong.....

Richard K. Moore, Librarian
Bolsa Grande High School
Garden Grove, CA
Email: RichardGuy@AOL.COM
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Wouldn't it be great if we lived in a world where insecurity and
desperation
made us more attractive? - Albert Brooks, Broadcast News
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 13:53:24 1998
From: john todd <jftodd@delanet.com>
Subject: Re: Dewey Decimal posters

> I am looking for a good basic set of Dewey Decimal posters for an
> elementary school library (K-5). I had found a set in the
> "Wonderstorms" catalog, but they've been discontinued. Any
> suggestions?
>
> -- Helen Sweet
> daisy.ingraham.sch@snet.net

I found a great set of Dewey Decimal posters in the Demco catalog. They
are perfect and they are still available.

Carol Todd, Media Specialist
Thomas E. Bowe Elementary School
Glassboro, NJ 08028
jftodd@delanet.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 13:53:24 1998
From: Edgewater Park - Jacques School <epjacq@nothinbut.net>
Subject: Re: Loan period exceptions

Barbara,
I would make the exception and renew the book for the child.
Better
that, than risk losing the parent as a patron over am inor thing. More
importantly, you may lose the child as a reader or library user. It's
not so much the parent's point of view, but the child's need for more
time to read the book. I wouldn't change the loan period, just renew
the books if necessary.

Lorie

Barbara said:
> I can understand and sympathize with the parent's point of view. On the
> other hand, I hate to start making exceptions by giving different loan
> periods to different types of holiday books because it seems that it
> will
> just cause confusion. I'm sure we'd have some patrons who would
> mistakenly keep a one-week book out for three weeks and then be very
> unhappy when they were socked with an overdue fine. I suppose we could
> try allowing renewals on the chapter books, but again that would be
> making
> exceptions.
>

--
**************************************************
Lorie J. O'Donnell
odonnell@borg.com
http://www.borg.com/~odonnell/index.html

"I hope we never lose sight of one thing.
That this was all started by a mouse" Walt Disney
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:03:23 1998
From: "Monique A. King" <mking@snap.lib.ca.us>
Subject: info request: YA training videos

I am looking for videos that can be used with library staff, to train
them in any aspect of service to young adults. This could include
booktalking, how to provide good service, programming, etc. Does anyone
know of any specific titles, or companies or educational programs, that
offer these for sale or loan?

Any information would be appreciated. You can e-mail me directly, and
I'll post a list (if we should be so lucky) to the group.

Thanks.
--
Monique A. King
Young Adult Librarian
Benicia (CA) Public Library

work: mking@snap.lib.ca.us
play: moniquek@goplay.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:05:04 1998
From: "Alicia Ahlvers" <alicia@qni.com>
Subject: Windsock's with Children's Book Characters

I am looking for windsocks to hang in the library that feature
children's book characters. I have found one featuring Winnie the Pooh
and one featuring Mickey Mouse (I know it doesn't exactly depict a
children's book character but I am getting desperate). Does anyone have
any suggestions? I need about 15 of them. Thanks for your time.

Alicia Ahlvers
Kansas City Public Library
311 E. 12th Street
Kansas City MO 64106
alicia@qni.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:05:59 1998
From: Guadalupe Gomez <JGSanchez@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: YA Internet Use

I have received many wonderful ideas through this list- Thanks! I would
like to take the time to share with you what our system does regarding
YA Internet use. ALL users have same privelages: users can sign up for
1/2 hour or 1 hour. Users have a 2 hour limit per day. Users cannot use
Internet 2 hours consecutively- they must wait 1 hour before going back
on it. We do not allow "chat room" or "games". We have a limit of 2
users per station. We have a 4 Internet stations. Minors must have a
parental consent form signed. When they return their form, we punch a
star on their card. All users must make a reservation in order to use
the Internet. Usually by 3PM we are booked completely. I think all
users should have the same privelages- regardles of age. We shouldn't
limit Internet use becasue they are minors- I think that if we do, we
are sending a message that they are less important than adult Internet
users.

When we spot any user in a chat room or game, we remind them about the
library policy. They are instructed to log off immediately.

Lupe Sanchez
Information Librarian
South Chula Vista Library
JGSanchez@worldnet.att.net
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:06:57 1998
From: Guadalupe Gomez <JGSanchez@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Spanish Langauge YA Services

Our library serves a large number of Spanish speaking youth. I am just
wondering what others are doing to serve their Spanish speaking
comunities (or other non-english library users)

When I have programs, I always have bilingual flyers. In March I will
be having a Quinceañera workshop- similiar to "Sweet 16" tradition
except young lady is turning 15. I would like to know what others are
doing.

THanks,
Lupe Sanchez
South Chula Vista Library
JGSanchez@worldnet.att.net
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:10:28 1998
From: Julie Shatterly <julies@lyon.york.lib.sc.us>
Subject: floater system

Our library is considering a "floater system." By this I mean that we
will hire one or two employees to fill in at any department or branch on
a
"as needed" basis when permanent staff are sick or on vacation. These
employees would have to be familiar with ALL
areas of the library. Are there any libraries out there that use this
system? How hard is it to make sure the floaters are trained all over?
Any success or failure stories are welcome. Please reply directly to
me.
Thank you!

Julie G. Shatterly
Children's Department Manager
York County Library
P.O. Box 10032
Rock Hill, SC 29731
PH: (803)324-7588
FAX: (803)328-9290
julies@lyon.york.lib.sc.us

Views represented are strictly personal and do not necessarily represent
those of the York County Library.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:12:04 1998
From: Jeri Kladder <jkladder@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
ubject: Re: Picture Book Chaos

Picture Books flop over. In a small Primary School Media Center
a
long time ago (Pre-Kdg through grade 3 I think) the picture books were
on
the shelves by author letter only with painted bricks used as book ends.
They had the akuthor letter affixed with book tape. The bricks were
great
in helping the shelves stay straight and the kids were taught very early
on how to "shelve" by matching that spine letter and the brick letter.
Hope this helps. - jeri

Jeri Kladder, Children's Librarian & Storyteller
jkladder@freenet.columbus.oh.us
Columbus Metropolitan Library
Columbus, Ohio
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:13:37 1998
From: "Mary Moody" <mmoody@vigo.lib.in.us>
Subject: Re: teenagers in children's room on terminal

Greetings Bonita,

> same problem we do--only three internet terminals in the children's
> dept,
> and they seem to be taken up by teenagers who do -not- encourage
> children
> or parents to interrupt them. The internet terminals are also our
> catalog,
> so this is fairly serious. Any ideas? Anyone else with the same
> problem?

Our room is called "Young People's" so we have all ages, and some of
the same problems. However, we have posted a sign by
each terminal that simply states: "Library staff reserves the right
to limit time on the internet" It seems to work well.

Mary Moody
Young People's Librarian
Vigo County Public Library
Terre Haute, IN

\o/ \o/ \o/ "Let everything that hath breath Praise the Lord!"
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:15:40 1998
From: Adelaide Rowe <arowe@egvpl.org>
Subject: Library doing Boy Scout Banquet

Dear Marsha, I am surprised that your library is actually consenting to
perform at a boy scout's banquet. It seems to me that you are going
above and beyond on this one, but I am curious as to how other
librarians will respond to this. One of our difficult decisions to make
is whether or not we send our staff out to perform, read stories etc at
local events. We do a great deal of it already, but often these times
are on weekends or evenings and require additional hours of staff who
already work more weekends or evenings than they want to. It is not that
we mind paying their salaries to do comunity service, but we do have a
limited staff. If you already had a previous program established that
you could perform anew, I might feel a bit differently, but it seems
that you are not only providing your staff time, but are doing a bit of
research and rehearsing as well. I feel that there are paid performers
who should be performing at the banquet, not the library. Again, I am
anxious to hear what others have to say. Do not want to seem like a
grinch here, am impressed that you actually said yes.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:15:52 1998
From: Mary Ann Gilpatrick <magilpat@zelda.walnet.walla-walla.wa.us>
ubject: Re: BORN TO READ

Your real objective here is community coalition building; keep your eyes
on
long-term goals and don't be discouraged by short term setbacks. The
book
is pretty thorough, as I recall, on the planning and goal setting
process.
I haven't done "Born to Read" (yet), but other coalition projects have
ben
well worth every minute.

At 11:01 AM 1/30/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Have any of you set up a born to Read program? How much money did you
>have to begin with? How did you budget? How many programs a week did
>you do? What selling points did you use for community backing? I am at
>the beginning. I have the book and film from ALA . I have talked to
>the
>Kwanis club and am meeting with Health Department and Wic Tues of next
>week.Thanks for any help you can give me oh list readers. Trudy Terry
>
>
Mary Ann Gilpatrick
Young Peoples' Librarian
Walla Walla Public Library
238 E. Alder
509-527-4550
fax: 509-527-3748
magilpat@walnet.walla-walla.wa.us
opinions my own, not WWPL, etc etc

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From: Mary Ann Gilpatrick <magilpat@zelda.walnet.walla-walla.wa.us>
Subject: Re: BORN TO READ
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Your real objective here is community coalition building; keep your eyes on
long-term goals and don't be discouraged by short term setbacks. The book
is pretty thorough, as I recall, on the planning and goal setting process.
I haven't done "Born to Read" (yet), but other coalition projects have ben
well worth every minute.

At 11:01 AM 1/30/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Have any of you set up a born to Read program? How much money did you
>have to begin with? How did you budget? How many programs a week did
>you do? What selling points did you use for community backing? I am at
>the beginning. I have the book and film from ALA . I have talked to
>the
>Kwanis club and am meeting with Health Department and Wic Tues of next
>week.Thanks for any help you can give me oh list readers. Trudy Terry
>
>
Mary Ann Gilpatrick
Young Peoples' Librarian
Walla Walla Public Library
238 E. Alder
509-527-4550
fax: 509-527-3748
magilpat@walnet.walla-walla.wa.us
opinions my own, not WWPL, etc etc

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:17:00 1998
From: bwilliams@brdgprtpl.lib.ct.us (Bina Williams)
Subject: RE: pig craft

Paper Plate Pigs
Take a pink paper plate and make 2 little curvy cuts each at 2:00 and
10:00
to look like ears.
Fold back the section between these ears and punch a hole in the center
of
that part. Put a pipe cleaner through and this makes the tail.
For the face, glue on googly eyes (or big round stickers.) For the
snout,
those tiny paper cups that hospitals serve pills in are perfect. HAve
the
kids make snout holes with stickers or crayons.
Bina Williams
Bwilliams@brdgprtpl.lib.ct.us

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From: Carol Parkinson

We are doing a story hour (with a pig theme) for 3 and 4 yr olds. We
are
looking for a simple and inexpensive pig craft idea. We thought about
making piggy banks but haven't come up with a good plan yet.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:17:51 1998
From: "Sarah Cornish, Children's Librarian" <VHPL_SC@CLAMS.LIB.MA.US>
Subject: toy library

Many thanks to all who responded to my request for info about lending
toys.
This is the first time I'd asked the list a question and I was amazed by
the wonderful responses I got. Anyway, we have decided against adding
toys
to our collection for a number of reasons, and I have to admit I'm GLAD!
I don't think there is a huge need for it in our community (there is a
similar
service provided by Community Services already) and we don't have the
storage
space.
It was great being able to present all of your experiences to our
director-
I feel that at least we gave it some serious consideration. Thanks
Again!
Sarah Cornish
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:18:20 1998
From: Rebecca Goldberg <goldberg@lemming.uvm.edu>
Subject: Re: Picture Book Chaos

Regarding picture book chaos:
We have a large picture book collection that has outgrown its
picture book bins. While the bin style of displaying books still seems
to
be the most appealing to staff and patrons, we are having to make some
changes. Ideally, we would remove all the old bins which were built
years
and years ago to hold a much smaller collection. Does anyone have any
suggestions as to what types of bins we might buy or build to
accommodate
our growing collection?
Thanks for your advice. Rebecca Goldberg
__________________________________________________
| |
| Rebecca Goldberg goldberg@lemming.uvm.edu |
| Youth Services Librarian |
| Fletcher Free Library |
| 235 College St. |
| Burlington, VT 05401 |
| 802 865-7216 |
|_________________________________________________|
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:19:27 1998
From: owner-pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: top ten reasons to love the library

Thanks to all of you who helped me with the "Top Ten Reasons to Love the
Library" list. Special thank you's to Virginia Cooper, Mel Burton and
Elaine Williams. It was requested that I share the final list with you,
so here it goes.

10.) You can feed your head for free (but not the fish please.)

9.) You can check out movies that you wouldn't want to pay to see.

8.) You can read about Spice Girls, herb gardening and olive oil.

7.) The library is there when you need it, but unlike your kid
brother,
it doesn't follow you wherever you go.

6.) You can ask for information on any topic and the librarian won't
flinch.

5.) Parents respond much more quickly when you say you want to go to
the
library than when you ask to go to the mall.

4.) A bunch of "know-it-all's" work there.

3.) The library has the best collection of teen 'zines in the village.

2.) You can surf without going to California or Hawaii.

1.) It's the last place the truant officer would look!

Hope this puts a smile on your face for Monday morning.

Brenda Hauck
Young Adult Specialist
Swanton Public Library
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:26:34 1998
From: The Germann Family <germann@sentex.net>
ubject: Easy non-fiction

I work in a new branch of the Cambridge Public Library in Ontario,
Canada.
It opened in September and was built attached to the new high school as
a
cooperative arrangement between the city and the school board.
Everything
has been going as well as can be expected but now we are rearranging the
collection to better serve our patrons.

It is our policy to shelve the adult and juvenile non-fiction together.
We
find that it is easier for the patrons to go to just one location in the
library for this material and there is less chance of books being
misshelved. However, it seems inappropriate to locate very easy juvenile
non-fiction in this area. I have been asked by our branch head to
separate
the easy non-fiction (ie. few words, emphasis on illustration) and
re-locate
them in the children's area with an orange dot on the spine to indicate
a
juvenile non-fiction item (also changing the location in the catalog). I
wonder if anyone has suggestions as to how I can pinpoint these items in
the
general non-fiction collection short of browsing every shelf. So far I
have
done a keyword title search using 'first' and have come up with several
series this way. I have also done a subject search on 'toy and movable
books' and come up with a few more. I think that browsing through the
collection would be a valuable exercise but I was hoping that I could
save
myself some time.

Thanks for your input.

Ruth Germann
Librarian
Cambridge Public Library
Cambridge, Ontario
germann@sentex.net
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:28:29 1998
From: lochwouters@axp.winnefox.org
ubject: Re: SRP - Changing from books read to hours read

We've been using minutes read for the past 8 years or so. We encourage
kids to read (or be read to) 15 minutes or more a day. We give the kids
a series of small quarter sheets as time records and they mark off 15
minutes per day with each sheet totalling 1 1/2 hours (after which they
can get a small incentive prize). I've also seen libraries use small
clocks for the kids to mark off.

We LOVE the minutes read method. It equalizes the program for strong
and
weak readers, and young and old readers. Research has consistently
shown
that the importance in summer reading programs for maintaining kids
reading skills is that kids read continuously so this method seems to
best fit our needs. It also put to bed forever the competitive aspects
of
the program that we weren't comfortable with in the past.

We have no difference in totals for younger and older kids (although our
YA program requires 20 minutes). We also encourge the kids to read
anything
they want (books, newspapers, cereal boxes, magazines, books from home
or
the library) since our goal is to see kids enjoying AND reading. To
offset initial circ slow-down when we went to this, we instituted a
simple drawing that kids who check out 5 or more books can enter for a
grand prize (Packer football, lunch with local celebrity magician, etc)

It seems that if you want to encourage kids to read in different genres,
you can give them a free time-increment mark-off (or 2 or 3 or whatever
seems right). We do that for kids who review one of our books for us
(Book Testrs) or come to a program. That way you can be flexible enough
to incorporate your genre theme in the new scheme.

If you'd like to see a copy of our recording sheets packet, just let me
know.

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Marge Loch-Wouters | Email: lochwouters@winnefox.org
Menasha's Public Library lochwout@athenet.net
Elisha D. Smith Public Library | Phone: (920)751-5165
Menasha, WI 54952-3191 | Fax: (920)751-5159
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:30:15 1998
From: Janet Dickey <blakdog@en.com>
Subject: RE: Address for Anyone's Guess Teen Mystery Kits

Hi, all! The first Anyone's Guess Mystery Kit got a nice review in the
Feb. VOYA; my thanks to VOYA and reviewer Jennifer Fakolt. There is one
problem: the address listed is outdated. Please help spread the word and
save frustration at both ends; the correct address is:
DoubleDog Press
P.O. Box 46826
Bedford, OH 44146-0826
Thanks,
Janet

Janet Dickey
<blakdog@en.com>
http://www.lochnet.com/doubledog/aguess.htm
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:30:15 1998
From: torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us (Torrie Hodgson Children's Librarian)
ubject: Re: pig craft

I make talking origami pig puppets. You just need squares of pink paper,
crayons, and a copy of Shari Lewis's _Folding paper puppets_. It is truly
the simplest origami I've ever seen. I usually fold it for the small ones
to decorate, and often the parents leap right in. When you hold its ears
and squeeze in, its mouth opens and shuts.

I hope this helps you!

Torrie Hodgson 8)

>We are doing a story hour (with a pig theme) for 3 and 4 yr olds. We
>are
>looking for a simple and inexpensive pig craft idea. We thought about
>making piggy banks but haven't come up with a good plan yet.
>
>Any ideas? Please send them directly to me.
>Thanks,
>Carol Parkinson
>Bedford Public Library, Bedford IN
>cparkins@bedlib.org
>
>
Torrie Hodgson, Children's Librarian, System Administrator, and everything else!

Burlington Public Library
900 East Fairhaven Ave
Burlington, WA 98233
Phone (360) 755-0760 Fax (360) 755-0717
torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:32:38 1998
From: eldridge@rockisland.com
Subject: Need PLA roomie

Anyone going to PLA in March? I'm looking for a roommate. Please
e-mail if you are interested.

Carrie Eldridge
San Juan Island Library
From: eldridge@rockisland.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:33:28 1998
From: "The Gareiss Family Of Centerville" <Gareiss@infocom.com>
Subject: Star SRP

Hi all,
I've seen lots of questions about SRP's, so I figured mine would be
okay.
Our theme is "Reach for the Stars... READ! I have a couple of requests.
1. Does anyone have any great ST ideas about "stars"?
2. How about program ideas for elementary kids?
3. For the YA program we are having a "star" auction. (The YA's
collect
bid points by reading as much as they can.) We have asked stars for
autographed items. Does anyone have any addresses for people they know
will send something?
4. Do you have any program ides for YA's about stars? ( Because of our
large Christian population we need to stay away from horoscope stuff.)
TIA

Connie Gareiss
Centerville Center Township Public Library
Centerville, IN
Gareiss@infocom.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:34:04 1998
From: Shari Hetzke <shetzke@nslsilus.org>
ubject: Re: Library Jokes

Here's a library joke for you...
A duck walked into the library and asked for a good book to read. The
librarian was thrilled to help him and found what she thought was a book
he would like. The duck stuck the book under his wing and waddled out.
The next day the duck was back asking for another book. Again the
librarian took great pains to find a good book for him. The duck took
the book and waddled out.
The next day the same thing happened again. The librarian was beginning
to wonder how this duck was reading these books so rapidly. (These were
NOT easy reads she was giving him.)
This went on for over a week and the curiosity of the librarian got the
better of her and she decided to follow the duck and see what he did
with
the books. When he came into the library that day the librarian gave
him
a book and then tailed him as he waddled out of the library. She had to
follow him across town -- finally the duck stopped at a small pond and
called to a frog on one of the lily pads there. The duck opened the
book
to show to the frog. The frog replied "Read It!"

Shari Hetzke tel 847-506-2629
Secondary School Services Specialist fax 847-506-2650
Arlington Heights Memorial Library shetzke@nslsilus.org
500 North Dunton
Arlington Heights, IL 60004
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:34:38 1998
From: "Allison J. Enger" <aenger@monroe.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Adolescent

What we have found to work with regards to limiting time on the
internet,
is to have timer. If people are waiting touse the internet (we only
have
one terminal), we set the timer for 20 minutes. With our school kids,
this stops the "I wasn't on that long" or "you're playing favorites"
arguments.

If no one is waiting, patrons can use the internet for a longer time
with
the understanding that if someone comes in, that they will be asked to
log
off.

Allison J. Enger, Dundee Branch Library
aenger@monroe.lib.mi.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:36:05 1998
From: C.Allen.Nichols@wadsworth.lib.oh.us (C. Allen Nichols)
Subject: Re: Career Day

Cathy Chesher wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I've been invited to participate in "Career Day" at a local high
> school and was wondering if any of you have had experience with this.

The Ohio Library Council, in cooperation with the State Library of Ohio,
has just produced a ten minute video for use at such events. It is
entitled "Me...a Librarian?" Geared towards teens, it was filmed by a
professional production company and is a wonderful tool to entice YAs
and children into the profession.

Depending upon your time frame, the film may be ready for distribution.
I know the goal was to have it available in February. The video will
come with supplemental materials for use in giving a presentation.

The phone number for OLC is: 1-614-221-9057.

Ciao
--
Co-editor Young Adults and Public Libraries to be published in July 1998
by Greenwood Press

C. Allen Nichols, Director
1998 Ohio Library Association Vice President/President-elect
Wadsworth Public Library
132 Broad Street, Wadsworth, OH 44281-1897
c.allen.nichols@wadsworth.lib.oh.us
330-335-1299 - VOICE; 330-334-6605 - FAX
"One soon learns that so long as books are kept open then minds can
never be closed" - Ronald Reagan
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:37:23 1998
From: cathy ryne <cryne@sierramadre.lib.ca.us>
ubject: Library Humor

Thank you all so much for the wonderful library jokes. We had a hard
time
deciding which ones to use as they were all so good. I am listing all
of
the library humor for everyone's enjoyment! Thank you all again!

Cathy Ryne
cryne@sierramadre.lib.ca.us

LIBRARY HUMOR:

So, this hen goes into the library, goes up to desk, flaps her wings and
says "buc, buc, buc". Puzzled the librarian watches & listens as the
hen
goes through the routine again. Finally the light dawns, "Oh, you want
a
book?" The hen nods, so the librarian finds a book & checks it out. The
hen tucks the book under a wing and leaves. Twenty minutes later she's
back clucking "buc, buc, buc" again. The librarian finds the hen
another
book. Twenty minutes later, the hen is back. This time after the
librarian checks out the book she follows the hen. She can't stand it
any
longer, she has to know what the hen is doing with the books. The hen
goes to a pond and shows the book to a frog, who says "Ribbet, ribbet,
readit."

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:53:35 -0500
From: MCCREIGHTB@charleston.lib.sc.us
To: cryne@sierramadre.lib.ca.us
CC: MCCREIGHTB@charleston.lib.sc.us
Subject: Library Jokes

Hello, from the Lowcountry!
Library Jokes, huh? Well, how 'bout this tale:
One day out in the rural branch of the BackWater County Library System
a chicken walks into the library, goes to the (Children's / Reference)
Librarian at the desk and says, "Bo-o-o-o-k!" {chicken voice}
Well, the astonished Librarian picks out a volume, checks it out to
the chicken, and the bird leaves.
A week later, the chicken returns with the book, turns it in, and then
again asks the Librarian, "Bo-o-o-o-k! Bo-o-o-o-k!"
So, the Librarian pulls two volumes down and checks them out to the
chicken, who again leaves.
A week later, this action is again repeated, only the chicken says,
"Bo-o-o-o-k! Bo-o-o-o-k! Bo-o-o-o-k!" and so leaves with three books.
The inquisitive Librarian decides to follow the chicken to find out
just what is going on -- what is this fowl patron doing with the books?
Is she really reading the books or just looking at the pictures?
The Librarian trails behind out of sight, and finally sees the chicken
stop by a small pond by the side of the road. The chicken cries out,
"Bo-o-o-o-k! Bo-o-o-o-k! Bo-o-o-o-k!"
Suddenly a frog (or frogs) leap up from the pond, hop onto the bank
to where the chicken stands, and says, "Read it! Read it! Read it!"
{frog voice}

Hope you can use this. Like I sometimes say to the tales I tell:
"If that's not a true story, it ought to be!"

slan, Brian McCreight, Children's Librarian, Charleston County Library
& Yarnspinner - with no strings attached!

e-mail: mccreightb@ccpl.org

X-Sender: paradis@mailhost.jorsm.com
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 08:31:23
To: cryne@sierramadre.lib.ca.us
From: andrew or anne <paradis@jorsm.com>
Subject: Joke

My favorite is "How many librarians does it take to change a light
bulb?"
"I don't know, but I can look it up."
Anne

"'You have no business wearing white to the Middle
Ages,'
he'd said, `It will only get dirty.'"
Connie Willis
*Doomsday Book*
Andy or Anne -- Andrew Paradise, Information/Reference Librarian,
Medical
Librarian, and Children's Librarian by marriage: Anne Paradise,
Children's
Librarian, mystery reader!
Gary Public Library andrew@gary.lib.in.us work
220 West 5th St. paradis@jorsm.com home
Gary, IN 46402 anne@gary.lib.in.us Anne
http://www.jorsm.com/~paradis/

X-Sender: overmyer@mail.crl.com
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 13:54:31 -0800
To: cryne@sierramadre.lib.ca.us
From: Overmyer <overmyer@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Library Jokes

A great source for library jokes is the Multnomah Co. Public Library's
kids
page.

URL: http://www.multnomah.lib.or.us/lib/kids/index.html

Good luck.

Elizabeth Overmyer
Berkeley Public Library, Berkeley, CA

Doug and Elizabeth Overmyer

6 books on a topic + 5 classes = odds are 2-to-1 on teachers assigning
the
same topic at the same
time.

Budget statements from the District Office are always inversely
porportional
to your budget.

If you made the system foolproof you discover that everybody has
suddenly
become geniuses.

When 60% of your book order is back-ordered, you can safely bet that 90%
of
the back-orders are
out of print.

A "missing" encyclopedia will remain missing until the replacement you
ordered is placed on the
shelf.

Books will remain upright on the shelf until you go to place another
book
beside them.

You finally revise you card catalogue after putting it off for a year
only
to discover a week
later that a complete revision is coming out in a month.

You can be sure the student who has the most overdue books reads the
least.

When a teacher recommends a library book to a student, you can be
certain
that the teacher has
checked out the only copy and has lent it to a friend in Peru.

Students always require a 400 word article for a 500 word essay.

Change libraries frequently. It allows you to place the blame on your
predecessor for anything
that is wrong.

Make 17 subject headings for a book and you will find that you should
have
made 18.

If a teacher discusses a unit with you well in advance, it is a
certainty
that she will be absent
on the days scheduled, the substitute cannot administer the unit, and
when
the teacher returns she

cannot do the unit because she has to make up for lost time.

The one time of the month that you take 5 minutes to read MAD magazine
is
when your superintendent

walks in.

Prepare your year-end report in September before you have screwed
everything up.

If it's a good book, it's out of stock. If it's an excellent book, it's
out
of print.

No matter how many books you have on a subject the student always thinks
they're all "too big".

The "super" syndrome: Libraries are always empty when the principal or
superintendent comes to
visit.

The volunteer aide who files the worst is the one who volunteers the
most.

If you have a system that works you must be doing everything wrong.

When you spend half your library budget on a teacher's request for a
course
the odds are that the
teacher will quit or be transferred and the course will be dropped or
changed.

No matter how long you keep an article or piece of information you will
never need it till you
throw it away.

If you have lost one issue of a magazine there will be 35 students who
will
require that issue.

No books are lost except those that are most needed and hardest to
replace.

The books you need the most always come from your worst supplier or
jobber.

Every librarian should have a full-time aide. It allows you to put the
blame
on someone.

If everything's fine you're probably in the wrong library.

When you re-catalogue a book to correct an error, you automatically
create
seven new problems.

If you close the library only 3 days before year end for inventory and
administration it is a fact

that 2 teachers will ask you to do a library lesson on those days. These
are
teachers you couldn't

get into the library before but now need marking time.

The thinnest books have the longest catalogue numbers.

<ul>— From The Bookmark, September 1989, p.48-49 
M.L. REVEYRAND, teacher-librarian, KLO Secondary School</ul>


<hr>
<a name="light">
<h3>LIGHTBULB JOKES</h3>

How many academic librarians does it take to change a light bulb? 
Just five. One changes the light bulb while the other four form a
committee and write a letter of protest to the Dean, because after
all, changing light bulbs IS NOT professional work!


How many catalogers does it take to screw in a light bulb? 
Just one, but they have to wait to see how LC does it first.


How many cataloguers does it take to change a lightbulb? 
Only one provided it is in AACR2.


How many reference librarians does it take to change a light-bulb? 
(with a perky smile) "Well, I don't know right off-hand,
but I know where we can look it up!"


How many reference librarians does it take to change a lightbulb? 
None if it has a LCSH heading.


How many library system managers does it take to change a lightbulb? 
All of them as the manual was lost in the last move (or flood).


How many library managers does it take to change a lightbulb? 
At least one committee and a light bulb strategy focus meeting and
plan.


How many library technicians does it take to change a lightbulb? 
Seven. One to follow apporved procedure, and six to review
the procedure. (8 if you count the librarian they all report to)

<hr>

<a name="xcuse">
<h3>THE PERFECT EXCUSE! or 
Why my book has not been returned to the library!</h3>

... cuz I left it in my truck and my truck was in an accident and got
towed
to the garage and I
won't be able to get to the garage in Abbotsford until this weekend.


... my mother took it camping and lost it.


... I didn't take it out!


... cuz my cat peed on it and it smells too bad.


... it flew out the car window on the 401 Freeway and was devoured by an
18
wheeler!


<hr>
<a name="top13">

<h3>The Top 13 Obscure Campus Library Rules</h3>

13. No Shoes, No Shirt, No Books!

12. One millionth visitor receives lifetime supply of Turtle Wax.

11. $3.00 cover charge, 2 drink minimum.

10. Use a Canadian coin in the copy machine, get a bonus copy!

9. 1st Tuesday of each month - "Find the Hidden $100 Bill Day!"

8. Sink a book in the return bin from 50 ft., win a thousand bucks.

7. Must submit to drug test for presence of library paste.

6. Overdue book fees: 5 cents per day or 3 strokes with a rattan
cane -- your choice!

5. Forgetting to whisper: 3 strokes with a rattan
cane -- no choice!.

4. If you find a dead guy, your tuition's free!!!

3. Photocopying of body parts is strictly prohibited unless
accompanied by a spotter.

2. Until further notice, all golf magazines will be forwarded
directly to Mr. Simpson c/o the L.A. County Jail.


and the #1 Obscure Campus Library Rule...



1. Time spent sleeping at your carrel actually earns you
academic credit.

<hr>
<a name="chickens">

<h3>Chickens in Libraries? and other miscellaneous
humour</h3>

A chicken walks into the library. It goes up to the circulation desk
and says: "book, bok, bok, boook".

The libraraian hands the chicken a book. It tucks it under his wing and
runs out. A while later, the chicken runs back in, throws the first
book into the return bin and goes back to the librarian saying: "book,
bok, bok, bok, boook". Again the librarian gives it a book, and the
chicken runs out. The librarian shakes her head.

Within a few minutes, the chicken is back, returns the book and starts
all over again: "boook, book, bok bok boook". The librarian gives him
yet a third book, but this time as the chicken is running out the door,
she follows it.

The chicken runs down the street, through the park and down to the
riverbank. There, sitting on a lily pad is a big, green frog. The
chicken holds up the book and shows it to the frog, saying: "Book, bok,
bok, boook". The frog blinks, and croaks: "read-it, read-it, read-it".


Q: What happens when you cross a librarian and a lawyer? 
A: You get all the information you want, but you can't understand
it.




This collection was selected from the "Weird Reference Questions" 
thread that ran on LIBSUP-L, the Library Paraprofessionals Listserv
in 
July 1997. 
Names and locations have been deleted partly because it was a lot
easier 
to do it that way and partly to protect the reputations of all
concerned.
All 
of these situations are real and some of them were mighty
embarrassing. 
Enjoy! 

Part 1: Actual reference queries reported by American and
Canadian 
library reference desk workers of various levels. 

"Do you have books here?" 

"Do you have a list of all the books written in the English
language?" 

"Do you have a list of all the books I've ever read?" 

"I'm looking for Robert James Waller's book, Waltzing through Grand 
Rapids." 
(Actual title wanted: "Slow Waltz in Cedar Bend.") 

"Do you have that book by Rushdie: 'Satanic Nurses'?" (Actual
title: 
"Satanic Verses") 

"Where is the reference desk?" This was asked of a person sitting at
a 
desk who had hanging above her head a sign saying "REFERENCE 
DESK"! 

"I was here about three weeks ago looking at a cookbook that cost 
$39.95. Do you know which one it is?" 

"Which outlets in the library are appropriate for my hairdryer?" 

"Can you tell me why so many famous Civil War battles were fought on 
National Park Sites?" 

"Do you have any books with photographs of dinosaurs?" 

"I need a color photograph of George Washington [Christopher
Columbus, 
King Arthur, Moses, Socrates, etc.]" 

"I need a photocopy of Booker T. Washington's birth certificate." 

"I need to find out Ibid's first name for my bibliography." 

"Why don't you have any books by Ibid? He's written a lot of 
important stuff." 

"I'm looking for information on carpal tunnel syndrome. I think I'm
having 
trouble with it in my neck." 

"Is the basement upstairs?" (Asked at First Floor Reference Desk) 

"I am looking for a list of laws that I can break that would send me
back to 
jail for a couple of months." 

=-=-= Part 2: Actual Reference Interviews reported by American and 
Canadian library reference desk workers of various levels. 

Patron: "I'm looking for a book." 
Mental answer 1: "Well, you're in the right place." 
Mental answer 2: "Here's one." (Hand over nearest volume.) 
Audible answer : "Can you be a little more specific?" 

=== 
Patron: "I got a quote from a book I turned in last week but I forgot
to 
write down the author and title. It's big and red and I found it on the
top 
shelf. Can you find it for me?" 
Mental answer: "Books classified by color are shelved downstairs
in 
the [non-existent] third sub-basement." 
Audible answer: "What were you looking for when you found the
book 
the first time?" 

===== 
In an art library: 
Patron: Do you have any books on Art? 
Ref: Yes. Did you have a certain artist in mind, or a period or
style 
in mind? 
Patron: No. 
Ref: I guess you'll have to look through our 120,000 books and see
if 
you find anything. 
Patron: OK. 

===== 
Patron: "Do you have anything good to read?" 
Reference person getting her audible and mental answers mixed up: 
"No ma'am. I'm afraid we have 75,000 books, and they're all duds." 

===== 
Telephone patron: Do you have books on leaves? 
Library worker: Nope, we keep them on shelves. 
(She then hung up. Can you tell she's not too fond of Reference
duty?) 

===== 
Caller: "I have a painting by Vincent Van Gogh. It's all blue
with 
swirly stars on it. Can you tell me where I can get it appraised?" 
Ref. : "Sir, does it say 'Metropolitan Museum of Art' on the
bottom? 
It does? Well, what you have there is a poster that they sell in the
gift 
shop. I think they're about $10.00." 

===== 
Patron: "I am looking for a globe of the earth. 
Ref: "We have a table-top model over here." 
Patron: "No, that's not good enough. Don't you have a life size?" 
Ref (after a short pause): "Yes, but it's in use right now!" 

===== 
Patron: "I have to write a two-page paper on the Civil War, can
you 
help?" 
Ref: "What aspect of the war interests you?" 
Patron: "What aspect? You mean I have to choose something in 
particular about it? I thought I'd just write about the whole thing" 

A librarian was at a reference desk and noticed a woman
standing at the online catalog terminal looking puzzled.
He went over to her and asked if she needed help. She
said, "I'ts about time you got over here. I've been
pressing this 'help' button for 5 minutes!"
---

One joke leads to another. This is normally urban folklore, but it
happened to our Archives Librarian 2 or 3 years ago.

A student was directed to the card catalog for a book in one of the old
collections not yet on the automated catalog. A few minutes later,
after looking in the catalog, he was seen standing by the front gate.
When the librarian asked if he needed help, he did indeed say "I was
looking for the main entry."

Even in reality, that one gets a groan.
---

Well, that's a relief. I thought only BECPL was the only library
that stamped cards "For holdings see main entry." Talk about
user-unfriendly! (We later changed it to "For holdings consult
librarian") (Still later we stopped stamping the cards altogether.
Not sure how helpful that is!)

Here's another one I'm sure everybody has witnessed: One of my
colleagues went to the catalog with a patron and located the card
for the item the patron was seeking. Holding the cards open so
the patron could see the card, he pointed to the call number and
said "Look for this number on the open shelves." "Okay, thanks,"
the patron said, pulling the card out of the drawer and walking
off .......
----

We had a student walk up to the reference desk and ask where the
library was. (We're still wondering about that one.)

My favorite tale came from a colleague:

A student walked up and asked if she needed the letters in front of
an LC call number. My friend explained that, yes, the letters had
meaning- they indicated the subject. The student pondered this
for a moment until a light came on...

"Ohhh! So books on Outer Space would be in the O's!!!"

Beam me up, Scotty!
----

Dear AUTOCATs,

Admittedly, this doesn't have much to do with cataloging, but I had
to share it:

My all-time favorite library patron was the man who came to me at the
Reference Desk one morning and said to me, "I need a book." Pause.
"In English."

My response, delivered as deadpan as I could muster, was, "We need to
narrow this topic down a bit."

Now you all know why I decided to go into cataloging.
----

This is one of my faves, and it's true! The scene is a large Public
Library in London, England. Man approaches reference desk, and
explains that he wants this book, does not know author, or title, or
subject, but it is blue, and sits right here on the shelves of
Wandsworth Public Library [which is NOT this library]. Librarian
(having attempted to elicit details such as author, title, subject,
etc. and failed), politely, gently suggests that patron return to
Wandsworth Public Library and check the shelf in question. Exit patron.
Several days later, same librarian is on the Reference Desk again. Man
of blue book fame comes in, approaches librarian, and says, with great
satisfaction:
"You were right, it WAS there!"

I visit the kids page of the Multnomah County Library to find good
library
jokes. The address is
http://www.multnomah.lib.or.us/lib/kids/index.html

June Osowski
Rutland Free Library
Rutland, Vermont
e-mail Rutland_Free @dol.state.vt.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:38:41 1998
From: dorthybr@cadvantage.com (Dorothy M. Broderick)
ubject: Library education

Some librarians are always asking why they should even care
about
belonging to ALA. This question of library education is providing one of
the strongest answers to that question. If you are a member of ALA, you
need to contact your state chapter councilor and express your concern
about
ALA bestowing accreditation on programs that bluntly state that
libraries
are irrelevant in our new digital world order. Those of us attacking
Berkeley's program are not picking on UCA-B for the fun of it. If it
receives accreditation for a program that totally ignores library work
in
the public sector, it will open the door to other schools who are dying
to
get rid of their children's, YA, and adult services specialists and put
all
their resources into education about technology.
We are striving to build enough support by annual in DC this
coming
June to be able to pass a resolution forbidding accreditation of
programs
that ignore public sector library work. If you care about having future
colleagues educated to work in public libraries, contact your chapter
councilor. His/her email address is listed in the ALA Handbook on
Organization that came with the Dec. American Libraries issue. Library
schools have been gradually reducing relevant courses over the past
decade.
If we don't want to see the end of education for the areas we care
about,
we have to take a stand and take it now.
Dorothy M. Broderick

Dorothy M. Broderick Don't worry. Be crabby.
2025 Prairie Lane Maxine
Emporia, KS 66801
(316) 342-9277
(316) 342-6391 (also fax)
e-mail: dorthybr@cadvantage.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:39:07 1998
From: "PATRICIA.STLIB.STATE.NM.US" <PATRICIA@stlib.state.nm.us>
Subject: Web page selection policy

Sarah... When I put YS links from the NM State Library home page, I
wrote
these guiding principles to cover what we were trying to do. Also check
the
links we did put on at http://www.stlib.state.nm.us/youth.html.

Guiding principles: links should be general , important, multi-linked
sites
which are regularly and carefully updated; links should require little
or no
updating from NMSL except for checking once a month; links should be
organized
part of an overall plan for youth services. (Not just neat-o places)
NMSL
information should be current and updated monthly, not too overwhelming
and
most of all, USEFUL. New information can be bulleted and/or placed in
the
NEW! section from the main page. Updating of links and information by
PHF at
the beginning of each month. Current list of links and information
should be
run on paper each month and filed in computer binder.

Patricia Froehlich
Youth Services Director
New Mexico State Library
325 Don Gaspar Ave.
Santa Fe, NM 87501-2777
(505)827-3814 fax(505)827-3888
patricia@stlib.state.nm.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:42:00 1998
From: Rich McDonald <rmcdonal@prairienet.org>
ubject: Stumper answer: upside down house

Thanks to all for obvious answer: Mrs. Piggle Wiggle. I must admit that
this is one of those "classic" titles that I have not read, even though
the series is in our collection.
rich at <rmcdonal@prairienet.org>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:42:46 1998
From: schachtc@lcm.macomb.lib.mi.us
Subject: RE: Stumper

PU>I had a teacher of preschoolers come in today looking for :
PU> " A storybook about a young child putting things up his nose
PU> or in his ears."
PU>Now the teacher nor I know if any such book exists. She had a
PU>child in her class put a bead up his nose for no reason she could
PU>ascertain. She was hoping to find a book concerning this topic.
PU> I could find nothing for her. Does anyone know of a title
and
PU>author that they could suggest?
PU> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

There was a novelty song a couple of decades ago about MY MOTHER SAYS
NOT TO PUT BEANS IN MY EARS that one might still be able to find the
words to on the Web somewhere; I want to to say that it may have been
done by the New Christy Minstrels?

Chuck Schacht
Romeo District Libarary
Romeo, MI.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:43:09 1998
From: rdukelow@colosys.net (Rosemary Dukelow)
ubject: Stumper- apples story

I'm looking for a story that uses an apple as a prop. The story is about
a
seed that wants to grow up to touch the stars like an oak tree, but
instead,
it has a star inside. (The storyteller cuts the apple horizontally to
show a
star inside.) Can anyone help please.

Thank you.

Rosemary
rdukelow@colosys.net
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:43:49 1998
From: Tracy Kendrick <wl540@victoria.tc.ca>
Subject: stumper

Hi all!

I have a patron who is looking for a specific book which teaches a child
to read. She doesn't know the author or title, but she remembers that
the
technique involves:

- making wooden blocks
- attaching piece of paper to the block with letters and letter
groupings.
- the blocks are also used in a board game, which the adult/teacher
makes
according to directions in the book. The game also uses dice.
- There is a story in the book for each sound in the English language.
- The book was written in the late 1960's or early 70's

Sound familiar to anyone? I would very much appreciate it someone knows
the answer for this one! Please reply to me privately.

Tracy Kendrick

tkendric@gvpl.victoria.bc.ca
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:45:09 1998
From: Guadalupe Gomez <JGSanchez@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Job Opportunity: CA

City of Chula Vista, California
LIBRARIAN I/II

Current vacancy is at the Civic Center Library. The incumbent nust have
strong interpersonal skills and diplomacy to work in a very busy library
and be able to interact with a wide variety of library patrons. This
position will be working at the Adult and Children's Information Desk as
a Reference Librarian or other service points as required. Candidates
must be able to work nights, weekends, and holidays.

Salary: $2664.33 to 3238.51 monthly
Benefits: City contributes 7% to PERS for the employee. 2% at 55 PERS
retirement benefit. Complete benefits information available from Human
Resources Department.
Qualifications: A complete list of equivalencies for this position is
available from the Human Resources Department
Application Closing Date: February 20, 1998 5 PM

Contact: City of Chula Vista
Human Resources Department
276 Fourth Avenue
Chula Vista, CA 91910
(619) 691-5096
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:46:01 1998
From: Lu Benke <lubenke@libsys.ci.fort-collins.co.us>
Subject: STUMPER:Princess' town gets electricity

Our Grand Opening at our new joint use library yesterday brought
an interesting array of reference questions, including this one I am
hoping someone out there can help us with. A woman remembers reading a
picture book as a child (fifties or sixties) about a princess who leaves
her town and goes to the mountains to live (perhaps in a cave) but is
able to look back on her town when electricity comes to it and she can
see the lights below. Of course, that's not all of it, but that's the
most she can remember of the plot. She thinks that the title was
something like <Then the Stars Came Down>.
We checked our system, Denver Public Library's database and
Bibliofind without luck. I am hoping this is one of those that is able
to
be found through the computers of our collective minds. Anybody have any
clues?
TIA.

Lu Benke
Media and Children's Services
Harmony Library and
Fort Collins Public Library
201 Peterson Street phone: 970-221-6686
Fort Collins, CO 80524 fax: 970-221-6398
lubenke@libsys.ci.fort-collins.co.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:46:31 1998
From: Julia Cox <juliacox@unixg.ubc.ca>
Subject: Stumper: Knives,Forks and Fairy Tales

Hello All,

Thanks to those who responded to my posting. The fairy tale about
running
widdershins round a church to enter Elfland was indeed Childe Roland.
However,the juvenile novel about the cowrie-fisted boy remains a
mystery.
Many people suggested Lucy Boston's Green Knowe books. They would seem
to
fit the bill, but I have read them quite recently, and none of them is
the
title I am looking for. I don't think the book was part of a series, and
I
think it was probably written about ten years after the Green Knowe
books.
Any further inspiration would be greatly appreciated. Please send any
responses to me at cox@slais.ubc.ca

Thanks again,

Julia Cox
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:47:12 1998
From: Gilbert Crawford <gcrawfor@sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us>
ubject: Houston, TX - Librarian V

This position has been announced on several listservs. Please excuse
any
duplication/cross-posting.

LIBRARIAN V - Coordinator of Community Services
PN# 64530

DESCRIPTION OF DUTIES
Under the direction of the Assistant Director, Public Services and in
collaboration with the Chief of Branch Services and Chief of Central
Services, manages all aspects of literacy projects, ADA Access Center,
After
School Programs (ASPIRE) and other special services. Supervises
Books-By-Mail, the M.D. Anderson Patient/Family Hospital Library and the
Community Liaison in carrying out the goals and objectives set for
service
delivery. Responsible for writing and administering public and private
grant proposals related to these areas and/or other areas as assigned.
Assists in developing and implementing short and long range plans.
Participates in formulating and interpreting policies and procedures
governing services and programs. Prepares monthly, annual and special
reports. Meets with government officials, representatives from
professional
groups and works with affiliate community agencies to promote library
services and to gain library support. Serves on the Library's
Administrative Council. May require some evening and weekend
(Saturday/Sunday) work.

ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS/WORKING CONDITIONS
Ability to communicate effectively orally and in writing. Must be able
to
use a computer to access/input information; ability to operate other
office
equipment as necessary. Must be able to move freely about the work
environment in all locations to observe library staff and to oversee
maintenance of library facilities. Must meet the requirements of the
City
of Houston's policy on Operation and Use of Vehicles by Employees.

MINIMUM EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS
Master of Library and Information Science degree from an ALA-accredited
program.

MINIMUM EXPERIENCE REQUIREMENTS
Minimum of four years of professional library experience, two in an
administrative capacity in a public library.

PREFERENCES
Knowledge of current issues and trends in library and information
services;
proven experience with literacy and/or outreach programs in a library
setting. Proven competencies in grant writing. Excellent
organizational,
project and budget management skills; strong presentation and
communication
skills. Ability to maintain effective interpersonal relations with
staff,
members of the community and government entities. Proficiency in
English/Spanish or English/Asian languages desirable.

SALARY INFORMATION
Factors used in determining the salary offered include the candidate's
qualifications as well as the pay rates of other employees in this
classification. The minimum to midpoint of this salary range is:
$1510 -
$2103 Biweekly $39,260 - $54,678 Annually

OPENING DATE December 10, 1997

CLOSING DATE Open Until Filled

APPLICATION PROCEDURES
Applications are accepted and must be received by the Human Resources
Department during posted opening and closing dates shown, between 9:00
am to
4:30 p.m. Monday through Friday at 500 Jefferson, 15th floor. TDD Phone
Number (713) 759-0838. First preference will be given to those
applications
with a resume attached. Successful candidates will be notified of their
application status. All new and rehires must pass a pre-employment drug
test
and are subject to a physical examination and verification of
information
provided.

OUT-OF-TOWN applicants may submit a resume to:

Ralph Patterson
Human Resources Manager
Houston Public Library
500 McKinney
Houston, TX 77002
ph. 713/247-3558
fax 713/247-1266
e-mail: rpatters@hpl.lib.tx.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 14:47:43 1998
From: "Susan Moore - Children's Coordinator"MOORE@louisville.lib.ky.us
Subject: Stumper - Tiger in a Teapot

One of my very talented co-workers introduced me to a fun story, The
Tiger In
The Tea Pot, as told to her by her mother. The mother takes out the tea
pot
and finds a tiny tiger inside; she tries to get it to come out to no
avail.
A succession of family members try to get the tiger out and finally the
youngest member of the family is able to get the tiger out when the
tiger
learns he will get to have chocolate cake in addition to tea.

Does anyone know this story and a source. I have been having a lot of
fun
embellishing and telling it and have wondered where it comes from.

Thanks,

Susan Moore
moore@louisville.lib.ky.us
Louisville Free Public Library
301 York Street
Louisville, KY 40203
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 15:03:31 1998
From: Sarah Hudson <shudson@plcmc.lib.nc.us>
Subject: BIP on Lan

Hi ,

I'm sorry, I don't remember which listserve this question came from.

We have B.I.P available on our Pac terminals as one of the menu choices.Our
system is Dynix.
It works fairly well, we do have some slow periods.
The other problem is that if the patron that is using it doesn't exit
BIP, the following patron(s) think(s) that he/she is searching our catalog.

Sarah

Sarah Hudson
Information Specialist
Independence Regional Library
Public Library of Charlotte and Mecklenburg County
shudson@plcmc.lib.nc.us

These opinions are my own, and do not reflect those of PLCMC

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 18:42:30 1998
From: oburg_libjuv@InfoAve.Net
Subject: Re: Summer Reading incentive systems

At our library, we changed the summer reading program to reward children not
for books or hours they read but simply for making the library a regular
part of their summer. We ask children to set their own reading goal (they
sign a contract, which we keep at the library). Then each time they come in
to the library, they get a stamp on their contract. Three stamps = a small
prize. Four stamps = a somewhat larger prize. Five stamps = an even larger
prize. Then, every child who meets his goal (regardless of how many times
he/she has come to the library) gets their contract put in a large box for a
grand prize drawing at the end of the summer. We draw three winners from
the main branch and one winner from each smaller branch.

Each week, we also have a guessing contest. We fill a jar with an item and
allow children enrolled in summer reading to make a guess. The one who
comes closest wins a prize....this is a great way to encourage repeat visits
by your children enrolled in summer reading.

This worked beautifully last year, and we are anticipating an increase in
our enrollment this summer.
At 02:53 PM 1/26/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Greetings,
> I know that summer reading programs, and the pros and cons of
>incentive systems, have been discussed in the past. I have just
>finished searching the PUBYAC archives from 1997 for th information that
>I need, to little avail.

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 18:43:15 1998
From: Vicky Schoenrock <vschoenr@nslsilus.org>
ubject: Re: Milagros

I picked up a flyer in San Francisco which was put out by the National
Latino children's Agenda. It described starting a Milagros project in
your community. Has anyone done this at a public library? We were
interested because we have a large Hispanic population and it seemed like
something we could use for our grand opening of our new childrens department.

I have seen this as a religious item as well. Will we insult the anyone
by doing this in a library?

I just like the idea of children asking for wishes for the community, as
well as the library.

Thanks!

(I haven't been able to find the National Latino Children's Agenda on the
internet. Does it exist anymore?)

Vicky Schoenrock, Youth Services Manager
Waukegan Public Library, 128 N. County St. Waukegan IL 60085
Phone: 847-623-2041 Fax:847-623-2092
vschoenr@nslsilus.org
***My opinions are my own, of course**

"remain calm and share your bananas." - Anne Lamott

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 18:42:34 1998
From: "Strickland, Tammy" <stricklt@co.york.va.us>
Subject: summer reading incentives

I am looking for suggestions for incentives for summer reading. This is
my second year to plan for summer reading. Last year we gave prizes
based on the number of books read. We had some comments about that not
being a fair system for the kids reading "chapter books" The library has
used a system based on the time (minutes, hours) spent reading but that
system was not well liked either. I know we can't please everyone, but
does anyone have any suggestions of things that have worked in the past.

Thanks

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 18:42:30 1998
From: torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us (Torrie Hodgson Children's Librarian)
ubject: Re: Library doing Boy Scout Banquet

I perform as a storyteller, storytime reader, etc, all the time for
the community. I do make the stipulation that I am advertised and
introduced as being a librarian at the Burlington Public Library. And I do
not feel guilty if my schedule is too full and I have to say no to a
performance. If you or your staff has the time, it is great public
relations and advertising for your library. It can also promote great
cooperative efforts when you are in a bind and need some
performer/funding/volunteers/other help.

In a nutshell, if you can and you feel comfortable about it, do the
performance. If you are worried about any aspect of it, politely decline
and suggest some other area performers who may work out better. Hope this
helps!

Torrie Hodgson 8)

>Dear Marsha, I am surprised that your library is actually consenting to
>perform at a boy scout's banquet. It seems to me that you are going
>above and beyond on this one, but I am curious as to how other
>librarians will respond to this. One of our difficult decisions to make
>is whether or not we send our staff out to perform, read stories etc at
>local events. We do a great deal of it already, but often these times
>are on weekends or evenings and require additional hours of staff who
>already work more weekends or evenings than they want to. It is not that
>we mind paying their salaries to do comunity service, but we do have a
>limited staff. If you already had a previous program established that
>you could perform anew, I might feel a bit differently, but it seems
>that you are not only providing your staff time, but are doing a bit of
>research and rehearsing as well. I feel that there are paid performers
>who should be performing at the banquet, not the library. Again, I am
>anxious to hear what others have to say. Do not want to seem like a
>grinch here, am impressed that you actually said yes.
>
>
Torrie Hodgson, Children's Librarian, System Administrator, and everything else!

Burlington Public Library
900 East Fairhaven Ave
Burlington, WA 98233
Phone (360) 755-0760 Fax (360) 755-0717
torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 18:43:28 1998
From: bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale)
Subject: summer reading minutes

We count half-hours. Twenty half-hours fills your card. We don't care
what they read; the whole idea of it is that they can read picture books or
big fat books or cereal boxes; it doesn't matter; just how many hours
matters.

They are supposed to x off a square for every half-hour, and we rubber
stamp over the x when they bring their sheets in. A lot of them do many
cards.

Bonita

--
Bonita Kale
bf455@cleveland.freenet.edu

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 18:44:00 1998
From: Karen Stanley <kstanley@marlin.utmb.edu>
Subject: Library Cards for Minors

I'm appealing to the list for help. I am the Head of the Children's
Department and am often in close proximity to the Circulation Desk. I
get discouraged by the number of young adults who come up and ask for a
card and then leave when they learn that they need a parent or
guardian's signature and that current identification is required of the
person signing. Even though I have no young adult responsibilities at
this library I feel for the kids who do have needs for different
materials (history fair, science fair, curiousity, etc., etc.). It is
my thought that if a parent hasn't made it to the library to get the
child a card by the age of 14, chances are good that they won't suddenly
see the need. I've urged the director to let kids 14 & over sign for
themselves; I know when I worked for the Indianapolis-Marion County
Public Library they had that policy. My director is receptive to the
idea, but did want me to post it to the list. Anybody else out there
who lets minors sign for responsibility? Has it caused anyone undue
problems? I think rate of overdues would probably be about the same.
She hopes to bring this up at the February Board Meeting, so please
respond to me quickly with any stories you might share. TIA.
Karen Stanley
Rosenberg Library
Galveston, TX
kstanley@marlin.utmb.edu
(409)763-8854 x119

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 18:44:57 1998
From: cathy ryne <cryne@sierramadre.lib.ca.us>
ubject: more library jokes

They are still coming in and I really appreciate how wonderful everyone is!
Thank you so much for sharing your jokes with me! I can't wait to see how
the booktalk goes!

Here is another one!

I think you might have seen all these already, but I like the list at:
www.state.nj.us/statelibrary/lbhumtoc.htm

examples from that below
cheers,
Bruce Greeley
<brgreele@kcls.org>
------------
These Library of Congress subject headings have been selected over the
years by the LC Professional Association as the funniest and most
interesting:

Adult children
Beehives see Bee - Housing
Combustion, Spontaneous human
Diving for men
Drug abuse - Programmed instruction
Errors and blunders, Literary
Feet in the Bible
Hand-Surgery - Juvenile literature
Impurity centers
Lord's supper - Admission age
Lord's supper - Reservation
Low German wit and humor
Monotone operators
Running races in rabbinical literature
Sewage - Collected works
Standing on one foot see One-leg resting position
Stupidity see, Inefficiency, Intellectual
Thumbing the nose see Shanghai gesture
Urinary diversions
Venereal disease - Programmed instruction

>From the VVisconsin Library Service Newsletter, December 1992, via Library
Administrator's Digest, March 1993, via CTLS Newsletter, May 1993.
------------------------------------
Bumperstickers

LIBRARIANS ARE NOVEL LOVERS
LIBRARIANS DO IT BETWEEN THE COVERS
LIBRARIANS DO IT TO BOOST THEIR CIRCULATION
LIBRARIANS OVERDUE IT
--- Dean C. Rowan, Whittier, CA

Two new bumperstickers from Carmen Brigandi, CA Western School of Law:

CHECK OUT YOUR LIBRARIAN
LIBRARIANS ARE ACADEMIA NUTS

Funny True Stories
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Weird (But True) Reference Questions,
or, Close Encounters of the Referential Kind [Library staff edition]

This collection was selected from the "Weird Reference Questions" thread
that ran on LIBSUP-L, the Library Paraprofessionals Listserv in July 1997.
Names and locations have been deleted partly because it was a lot easier
to do it that way and partly to p
rotect the reputations of all concerned. All of these situations are real
and some of them were mighty embarrassing. Enjoy!
-- Tina Gunther, Cataloging Technician
Biola University, La Mirada, Calif., USA

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Part 1: Actual reference queries reported by American and Canadian library
reference desk workers of various levels.

Do you have books here?
Do you have a list of all the books written in the English language?
Which outlets in the library are appropriate for my hairdryer?
Can you tell me why so many famous Civil War battles were fought on
National Park Sites?
Do you have any books with photographs of dinosaurs?
I need a color photograph of George Washington [Christopher Columbus, King
Arthur, Moses, Socrates, etc.]
I need a photocopy of Booker T. Washington's birth certificate.
Why don't you have any books by Ibid? He's written a lot of important
stuff.
I am looking for a list of laws that I can break that would send me back
to jail for a couple of months.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Part 2: Actual Reference Interviews reported by American and Canadian
library reference desk workers of various levels.

Patron: I'm looking for a book.
Mental answer 1: Well, you're in the right place.
Mental answer 2: Here's one. (Hand over nearest volume.)
Audible answer : Can you be a little more specific?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Patron: I got a quote from a book I turned in last week but I forgot to
write down the author and title. It's big and red and I found it on the
top shelf. Can you find it for me?
Mental answer: Books classified by color are shelved downstairs in the
[non-existent] third sub-basement.
Audible answer: What were you looking for when you found the book the
first time?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
In an art library:
Patron: Do you have any books on Art?
Ref: Yes. Did you have a certain artist in mind, or a period or style in
mind?
Patron: No.
Ref: I guess you'll have to look through our 120,000 books and see if you
find anything.
Patron: OK.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Patron: Do you have anything good to read?
Reference person getting her audible and mental answers mixed up: No,
ma'am. I'm afraid we have 75,000 books, and they're all duds.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Telephone patron: Do you have books on leaves?
Library worker: Nope, we keep them on shelves.
(She then hung up. Can you tell she's not too fond of Reference duty?)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Caller: I have a painting by Vincent Van Gogh. It's all blue with swirly
stars on it. Can you tell me where I can get it appraised?
Ref.: Sir, does it say 'Metropolitan Museum of Art' on the bottom? It
does? Well, what you have there is a poster that they sell in the gift
shop. I think they're about $10.00.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Patron: I am looking for a globe of the earth.
Ref: We have a table-top model over here.
Patron: No, that's not good enough. Don't you have a life size?
Ref (after a short pause): Yes, but it's in use right now!
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Silly Jokes and Riddles
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Many of the lightbulb jokes in this section first appeared, with their
proper attribution, in Wilson Library Bulletin, April, 1995, pages 50 and
51.

How many librarians does it take to change a light bulb?
I don't know, but I can help you look it up.
-- Mary Lou Huzarewicz, Canada College Library

New lightbulb joke from Donna F. White, Access Services Librarian, Florida
Coastal School of Law Library and Technology Jacksonville, FL, which she
received from the lawlib listserv (as she says "members tend to get a
little silly on Friday afternoons").

How many library technicians (or aides) does it take to change a
lightbulb?
None, it's a reference question.
-- an original by Janet Sugino, from The Evergreen State College (another
TESC!)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
How can you find a librarian in the grass?

Look for the ruler (she can't complete the physical description area
without accurate centimeters).
-- Julia Harvey, PALINET
------------------------------------------------------------------------
These lightbulb jokes come via Anita Daniel, Asst. Documents Librarian,
Sprague Library, Montclair State University. They were posted on another
list, without any attributions.

How many ALA Councilors does it take to change a light bulb?

Five. One to deplore the lack of participation by women and minorities in
changing the light bulb;
one to move and one to second a motion that a task force be formed to
determine whether the light bulb really needs to be changed;one to move
that the issue be referred to COO;
and one to direct staff to do it.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
How many academic librarians does it take to change a light bulb?

Ten. One special collections librarian to archive the old, burnt-out bulb;
one acquisitions librarian to order new bulbs;
one catalog librarian to catalog and classify the bulbs by wattage, color,
fluorescence or incandescence, etc.;
one serials librarian to check the bulb into the serials record;
one reference librarian to make sure the bulb is what the patron really
wants;
one interlibrary loan librarian to order the bulb from another library if
it is not on the shelf;
one media services librarian to make sure the bulb meets stated
instructional objectives;
one government publications librarian to check that the bulb meets federal
standards;
one circulation librarian to check out the bulb;
one library administrator to supervise the entire system;
AND one student assistant to change the light bulb.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
How many librarians does it take to change a lightbulb?

Four. One to install the bulb and, three to test it in staff mode for
three months before the patrons get to use the light.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
How many reference librarians does it take to change a lightbulb?

Well, what type of lightbulb are you interested in?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
How many librarians does it take to change a lightbulb?

Three. One to change the bulb and two to talk about how unprofessional
changing light bulbs really is.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
How many library workers does it take to change a lightbulb?

None; one chooses the bulb; one contacts a vendor and orders the bulb; one
receives it; one places the bulb on the bulb shelf; one charges the bulb
out; but the users finally must change the bulb themselves.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
How many librarians does it take to change a lightbulb?

Eight. One to do the actual task and the rest to form a committee to
determine whether it really needs to be changed.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 18:44:59 1998
From: Jan Van De Carr <jvandcar@park-ridge.lib.il.us>
Subject: Arthur Day

We had a successful Arthur Day in November and are repeating it in MArch. We conducted it like a 'fun fair' with different activities that the children could move around and do, all related to Arthur. The prizes were Arthur stickers and other items from Demco. When they checked in, each child received a paper bag and a 'program' with the list of activities plus some coloring activities. The bags are great because they can put their prizes in them and not loose them, well most of the time any way.

Some of our activities were- Toss the bone to Pal (using boxes with pictures of Pal as the backdrop and large dog biscuits), Pin the bow tie on Arthur (using a big poster from Demco), Guess how many chicken pox on Arthur, (also using a big poster), PUt the Arthur puzzle together (puzzles were posters mounted on cardboard, laminated and cut in puzzle shapes), and my favorite, Find Pal's Ball in the "Sand Box", (using a large plastic container and 50 lbs. of rice, we buried small balls in the rice - children took turns feeling through the rice until they found a ball and that was their prize.)

The rice is lots of fun and easy to clean up, we did this on our brand new carpet.

We also invited everyone to sign a card to ARthur that we then mailed. Several weeks later we got a form letter reply.

*If you're not getting the Arthur costume, the wait is very long, make it clear in your publicity that Arthur won't be there, we had a few disappointed kids.

Have a great time!

Janet Van De Carr
Park Ridge Public Library
jvandcar@park-ridge.lib.il.us

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 18:45:38 1998
From: Sarah Hudson <shudson@plcmc.lib.nc.us>
Subject: RE: teenagers in children's room on terminal

Time Limits, Age Limits, and Monitor their behavior.
If they teens don't follow the rules, ask that they leave.
If that happens often enough, they will get the message,
(hopefully)

Just make sure you apply all the rules fairly among all age groups.

Sarah

Sarah Hudson
Information Specialist
Independence Regional Library
Public Library of Charlotte and Mecklenburg County
shudson@plcmc.lib.nc.us

These opinions are my own, and do not reflect those of PLCMC

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From: Bonita Kale[SMTP:bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 8:10 AM
To: pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: teenagers in children's room on terminal

At the request of my Revered Bosslady, I'm posting to ask if anyone has
the
same problem we do--only three internet terminals in the children's
dept,
and they seem to be taken up by teenagers who do -not- encourage
children
or parents to interrupt them. The internet terminals are also our
catalog,
so this is fairly serious. Any ideas? Anyone else with the same
problem?

Bonita

--
Bonita Kale
bf455@cleveland.freenet.edu

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 18:46:50 1998
From: Jan Van De Carr <jvandcar@park-ridge.lib.il.us>
Subject: Library doing Boy Scout Banquet

I agree with Adelaide Rowe, we try to draw a line between going out to do
programs for schools and preschools, and providing the entertainment at a
community function that is not sponsored by the library for all of the same
reasons. We always refer these requests to our sources that list local
area storytellers and performers.

Janet Van De Carr

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 18:48:25 1998
From: Tim Wadham <TRWADHAM@lib.ci.dallas.tx.us>
Subject: STUMPER answer: I Do Not Like It When...

If anyone is interested, the result of the stumper I recently posted is
_I Do Not
Like It When My Friend Comes to Visit_ by Ivan Sherman (Harcourt 1973).
It would probably work quite well in a storytime on friendship. This
was an easy one, and thanks to all who responded.

Tim Wadham
Walnut Hill Library
trwadham@lib.ci.dallas.tx.us

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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Mon Feb 2 18:50:50 1998
From: Michael Dell <mdell@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>
Subject: STUMPER: Man with hole in head

I'm calling upon your collective wisdom to identify this book for our
customer.

It's a picture book that she remembers reading in the early 1970's.

A man with a hole in his head grows a plant (turnip?), a fish, and other
things. Other people in the story help to get rid of these things.

Have checked A to Zoo, PUBYAC archives.

Any ideas? Any help would be appreciated.

TIA

Michael

MICHAEL DELL email: mdell@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

Manager, Children's Division
Edmonton Public Library
7 Sir Winston Churchill Square
Edmonton, AB T5J 2V4

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