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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jun 23 11:13:41 1998
From: Guarria <cguarria@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Re: Formal training for Children's librarians
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Torrie Hodgson Children's Librarian wrote:
> It is disturbing to hear the poor quality of curriculums for
> children's services in some institutions.
>
I attended what I and many others consider to be a very good library
school (Queens College, NY), but there is nothing like the experience of
actually working as a trainee in a library to prepare you for the
profession. I was grateful that I could actually be paid an okay salary
as a trainee instead of having to pay for an internship, and would highly
recommend that route for anyone still in library school. If you're lucky,
as I was, you can take on as much professional responsibility as you wish,
yet can still feel comfortable asking questions of your colleagues
because, after all, you're still learning. I was able to attend
conferences and workshops as a trainee, and basically was given the oppty.
to do everything a librarian could do. Good groundwork indeed for someone
new in the field.
Carrie
cguarria@suffolk.lib.ny.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jun 23 11:13:41 1998
From: cp804@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kara J. Cervelli)
Subject: Re:Brochure for New Parents
Thank you to everyone who requested a copy of the packet we pass out to new
and expectant parents. I am flabbergasted by the number of you interested!
However, from now on, I must request that anyone else wishing a copy to please
send me a SASE with postage for $.32. I really appreciate your interest
and would be happy to send you a copy.
Thanks!
Kara
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Kara Cervelli - Children's Librarain
Perry Public Library
3753 Main St. Perry, OH 44081
cp804@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jun 23 11:13:39 1998
From: L Champelli <lchampel@monroe.lib.in.us>
Subject: Subject: Internet classes for kids
FROM PUBYAC V1 #348, June 20, 1998
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Hello everyone!
Does anybody out there have internet classes for kids? If so what do you
do? Please let me know directly.
Thanks-
Mary Driscoll
driscoll@scls.lib.wi.us
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I regularly do Explore the Net classes for kids who have finished grades
3-6. The Public Computing Center in the library where I work has 12
terminals, but I'll often allow more than 12 into the class if they're
willing to share a terminal with someone. I begin by having them watch
me demonstrate some basic searches, (we use a LitePro Projector to
project the computer screen to a pull down screen at the front of the
room) but I like to leave as much time as possible for them to try out
their own searches and ask questions. The basic outline I use for this
program is available on the Web at:
http://www.monroe.lib.in.us/childrens/xplornet.html
It's extremely helpful to have at least one other Web-savvy person do the
program with you, since helping the kids understand their search results,
distinguish advertisements from graphical links, and how to get back to
that cool site they were on a couple pages ago, is such a
hands-on/individualized activity. If you'd like more specifics, please let
me know.... Good Luck!
-- Lisa Champelli
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Children's Librarian - lchampel@monroe.lib.in.us
Monroe County Public Library - http://www.monroe.lib.in.us
Internet Advocate - http://www.monroe.lib.in.us/~lchampel/netadv.html
Co-Author, Neal-Schuman WebMaster, 1997
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jun 23 11:13:40 1998
From: cindio@bedford.lib.nh.us
Subject: Public/School Libraries stuff
In regards James Casey's remarks, I'm glad he's out
there raising the questions. I've worked in both school and
public libraries, both are incredibly busy and understaffed and
underfunded. The ones who suffer are the kids. I
absolutely agree that school libraries need the staff and
funding to be open evenings/weekends during the school year and
during the summer.
I must confess that I am tired of the summer
assignments given out by teachers that the kids can't do
without the resources or collections of the school library. I
am also weary of having parents come in with summer reading
lists given out by reading specialists or teachers filled with
books we don't own. When I've asked about the titles, many
teachers say that they know the books are owned by their school
library. And I seek out these lists every single year during
May - June, using a variety of methods, many of which I've
picked up from people on this list.
But it is not a we vs. them, librarian vs. librarian
situation. It is a lack of funding, a lack of focus and not
having people advocating for the library services that are
needed.
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Cindi Ellen O'Connor
Director of Children's Services
Bedford (NH) Public Library
3 Meetinghouse Road, Bedford, NH 03110
603-472-2300, FAX 603-472-2978, Email:cindio@bedford.lib.nh.us
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"Noting left to do but smile, smile, smile :-) :-) :-)"
-R.Hunter
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jun 23 11:13:39 1998
From: Margaret Downs <mdowns@gte.net>
Subject: Senior High Internet Sites
Greetings:>)
I'm trying to compile a list of Internet sites to use as a bookmark list
for students in a senior high school. I already have Kids Click,any
suggestions would be greatly appreciated
Thanks,
Margaret Downs
mdowns@gte.net
Chamberlain High School
Tampa, Florida
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jun 23 11:14:08 1998
From: Filtering Facts <burt@northwest.com>
ubject: Re: Flames and Insults
Thanks Debra.
You'd be surprised how many letters like yours I get from librarians. I
don't hold it against any librarian that they don't vocalize their support
for filtering for children. It's not easy to stand up against a hostile
crowd. But somebody had to do it. And if I hadn't, no one else would have.
If we are lucky, we have a moment in our life when we realize that we have
the chance to make a difference, if we have the courage, by taking a stand,
because if we don't take that stand, no one else will. I am very thankful
that I did not let my moment slip away.
At 09:46 AM 6/19/98 -0700, you wrote:
>I would timidly like to suggest that by ignoring what you call Mr.Burt's
>rantings you are also ignoring the beliefs of librarians who support some of
>his beliefs. I can only infer that you do not want us to ignore your
>'rantings'- and exchange of view is just that, an exchange. While I am
>intimidated to the point of not "coming out" fully for
filtering-gosh, some
>of the people I respect most in Library Science read this listserv- I would
>like to point out that in the wake of the highschool shooting tragedy three
>weeks ago in our community of Springfield, Oregon we all are trying to find
>ways to reduce the exposure to violence that children in our culture face.
<snip>
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David Burt President, Filtering Facts
Website: http://www.filteringfacts.org
E-Mail: David_Burt@filteringfacts.org
Phone/Fax: 503 635-7048
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jun 23 11:13:52 1998
From: torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us (Torrie Hodgson Children's Librarian)
ubject: Re: Internet use by non-patrons
>Perhaps it's impractical in smaller libraries, but I consider anyone who
>walks through the door to be a patron, whether they have a card or not.
>Wouldn't we help the same person if they ask us for directions?
We are a small library (30,000 holdings including periodicals, pop. 5500),
and have one public Internet terminal we got through a state grant. We made
the decision to have strict policies to start with, that we can loosen up
later as we become more proficient and hopefully have more than one terminal.
The reasons the board wanted us to allow only cardholders use the terminal
at this point are:
1. We can track down cardholders if something malicious was done to the
machine. We are trying to get the technical expertise to cope with
"hackers" as quickly as we can.
2. Our county residents do not pay taxes to support the library, and they
voted down their chance to do so. (They can pay annual dues to the library
to become cardholders) We want to give precedence to those people who
financially support the library.
3. It would be more politic to start with a strict set of rules which could
be relaxed later, than to have a loose policy that needs to be restricted
further at a later date. We don't like to remove privileges unless
absolutely necessary.
Even with these reasons stated above, the only differences between
cardholders and non-cardholders that come through our doors (or call on the
phone) are that non-cardholders cannot check out materials and they cannot
use the Internet terminal. I think that is very fair. They can choose to
become members of our library, get their Internet through some other
commercial venue, or wait until we are ready to give broader access.
I am sure I will be flamed for this viewpoint, but we are really learning
the technology as fast as we can. If some person breaks the machine or gets
us blacklisted, that's it for everybody here. (P.S., I also do online
searches for those people who cannot or will not surf for themselves, as I
am able to find time.)
All my own opinions....not reflect employer.....yada yada yada
Torrie Hodgson 8)
Torrie Hodgson, Amazon librarian from the avocado jungle!
Burlington Public Library
900 East Fairhaven Ave
Burlington, WA 98233
Phone (360) 755-0760 Fax (360) 755-0717
torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jun 23 11:13:53 1998
From: saecker@axp.winnefox.org
ubject: Re: Internet use by non-patrons
I think that welcoming anyone who walks through the door as a patron
certainly works in small libraries. Of course, we are a tourist area and
have a very open card policy, so it wouldn't take much to become an
official card holder here. However, there is a library in a neighboring
community that requires people to have library cards to use the Net and
to not have more than $2 in fines. I guess I view the Internet as an
extension of the reference collection in many ways and if I would answer
their reference questions, let them sit and read the paper, or let them
use the word-processing computer, why would I not let them use the Internet?
Tasha
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Tasha Saecker | Email: Saecker@winnefox.org
Caestecker Public Library | Phone: (920)294-3572
Green Lake, WI 54941-0278 | Fax: (920)294-6055
Homepage: http://www.ripon.k12.wi.us/tasha/
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"An infant is pure spiritual gold. Cherishing her innocence is the way to
find
the path back to our own. So in a very important way it is the parent who sits
at the feet of the baby."
Deepak Chopra in The Seven Spiritual Laws for Parent
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jun 23 11:13:42 1998
From: schachtc@lcm.macomb.lib.mi.us
Subject: Re: library as parent/Rah!Rah! Filters
PU>Okay, I'll bite. What's wrong with parents raising their children as
PU>anarchists? or anything else for that matter. A belief is a belief, and
PU>as long as they are only raising their own kids in this way, what right
PU>does anyone have to tell them otherwise? When you say "violently
PU>anti-semitic" I agree with you. That throws a whole new dimension on
PU>the discussion. Raising children in your own beliefs is one thing.
PU>Raising children to be violent is quite another.
If you raise kids to hate and despise other folks and to not value the
humanity of any group except your own folks, they're headed down the
road to being violent; they just may not have gotten there yet. Kids
who get so raised, even if they never actually physically harm anyone,
generally spend their whole lives spreading the kind of ugliness they've
been taught wherever they go, and so the injury to society just gets
compounded and you get results like the recent terrible one down in
Texas where a man got dragged to death behind a truck by people who had
been taught to hate people who were a different color than they were.
We're straying pretty far afield here - just wanted to make the point
that parents who by word or example teach hatred and cruelty DO often
harm society, starting with their own kids. I'm not sure how you'd go
about organizing a better way than the one we have now ; I just see too
much evidence that the way we have now - anyone who can conceive can
parent until they do serious physical harm to their offspring- too often
results in a wide variety of disasters large and small. Kids deserve
to be better served than this. Stepping down from his soapbox,
Chuck Schacht
Romeo District Library
Romeo, MI.
whose library is totally ininocent of responsibility for his peculiar
notions.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jun 23 11:14:16 1998
From: Beth Gallaway <egallawa@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: CD ROM Supplier
Dear Carrie,
One online resources for CD-ROMs for kids is http://www.superkids.com/
Teachers, parents, & kids review educational software. Reviews are
arranged by subject. There is an index to all the reviews. Each month,
there is a 'feature' i.e., a theme, or grade level. The review includes
system requirements, price, educational value, kid appeal, and ease of
use notes. The site also includes articles, links, a tech support
directory, and a buyers guide. I hope you find it helpful in making
your CD-ROM purchases! I also use a software alert that Baker & Taylor
puts out monthly (the name eludes me at the moment.)
Beth Gallaway
Haverhill Public Library
Haverhill MA
egallawa@concentric.net
>I am looking for a good source for CDs. Any favorite sources out
there?
>Our CD ROM collection is going great guns but we need to add a few
more.
>Can you suggest a source on the net
>for reviews for CD ROMS - particularly children's.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jun 23 11:13:39 1998
From: Susan LaFantasie <susanlaf@pcl1.pcl.lib.wa.us>
Subject: Re: a book on trial
Take a look at these sites:
www.cs.cmu.edu/People/spok/banned-books.html
www.cs.cmu.edu/Poplee/spok/most-banned.html
Some titles appearing on the second site's lists are:
I Have to Go, Robert Munsch
In the Night Kitchen, Maurice Sendak
Little Red Riding Hood, Grimm
Halloween ABC, Eve Merriam
Susan LaFantasie, MLS
susanlaf@pcl.lib.wa.us
Other sites were pulled up by going to Yahoo and using "banned books"
as
a keyword search. Good luck! (I think the American Library Association
site has something on banned books as well.)
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jun 23 19:29:30 1998
From: "Sarah Cornish, Children's Librarian" <VHPL_SC@CLAMS.LIB.MA.US>
Subject: Crosby Bonsall Books
Thanks to everyone who quickly responded to my question about mystery
easy readers, featuring blueberry pie in one book. They were the Crosby
Bonsall books and my patrons was amazed and delighted I could find out
for her. Of course we have none of the books at my library! Fortunately
I was able to put several on hold for her.
Thanks again!
Sarah
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SCORNISH@CLAMS.LIB.MA.US
Sarah Cornish - Children's Librarian
Vineyard Haven Public Library VOICE:(508)696-4211
RFD Box 139A FAX: (508)696-7495
Vineyard Haven, MA 02568
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jun 23 19:29:39 1998
From: Ana-Elba Pavon <pavona@pls.lib.ca.us>
Subject: gold bug answer to stumper
Goldbug is featured in "Richard Scarry's Cars and Trucks and Things That
Go." Thanks to all who responded!
Ana-Elba Pavon
Youth Services Librarian
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* Ana-Elba Pavon *
* Youth Services Librarian Phone: 650-355-5196 *
* Pacifica Library Fax: 650-355-6658 *
* 104 Hilton Way E-Mail: pavona@pls.lib.ca.us *
* Pacifica, CA 94044 *
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jun 23 19:29:32 1998
From: Angela Reynolds <ajrcm@teleport.com>
ubject: Looking for young writers
I have a patron, a sixth-grade girl who is writing poetry,(also into
history) and is very interested in being able to talk to other kids her age
that are writing. Does anyone know of any resources I can direct her to? I
pointed her to Stone Soup, so she could see what others are writing. Any
suggestions? TIA
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Angela J. Reynolds
Youth Services Librarian
West Slope Community Library
Portland, OR
ajrcm@teleport.com (Opinions & comments my own...)
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Tue Jun 23 19:29:58 1998
From: Heaney <eheaney@nwpl.new-westminster.bc.ca>
Subject: Stumper - boys' adventure series
A 40-ish patron remembers a series he read as a child (not new then - "We
weren't waiting for any new books in the series to come out.") concerning
the adventures of a wildlife photographer (fiction).
He was thinking when he came to look that they might be the Kjelgaard
books, but they're not. He remembers various wilderness settings to these
mystery-adventure books. (Not Willard Price either - and not Seton or
Charles G.D. Roberts!)
Does anyone have any ideas?
Please reply to me at:
eheaney@nwpl.new-westminster.bc.ca
Thanks.
Ellen Heaney
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