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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 24 11:15:01 1998
From: Beth Gallaway <egallawa@concentric.net>
Subject: Computers & kids
Dear Mary
I am planning to have a computer club this summer for kids entering
grade 4-6. It will run for 5 weeks. I am hoping to do some teaching
about the internet, have the kids do internet scavenger hunts, &
more....I would be happy to let you know how it turns out!
Also, check out the http://www.ala.org ... in the News section, there
is a press release about a joint venture of the ALA & AOL, an internet
Driver's Ed for kids & parents...
I requested info about computer clubs etc before & got no responses...if
you get any, would you foward them to me? Thanks!
Beth G.
Haverhill Public Library
Haverhill MA
egallawa@concentric.net
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 24 11:15:03 1998
From: Susan LaFantasie <susanlaf@pcl1.pcl.lib.wa.us>
Subject: Re: Looking for young writers
Take a look at Poetry Pals at
www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/5165/studentpoems.html#links
I have not evaluated this site thoroughly, but it looks pretty good,
claims itself as kidsafe, and has links to other poetry sites. See what
you think . . .
Susan LaFantasie, MLS
susanlaf@pcl.lib.wa.us
On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Angela Reynolds wrote:
> I have a patron, a sixth-grade girl who is writing poetry,(also into
> history) and is very interested in being able to talk to other kids her age
> that are writing. Does anyone know of any resources I can direct her to? I
> pointed her to Stone Soup, so she could see what others are writing. Any
> suggestions? TIA
>
>
> ******************************
> Angela J. Reynolds
> Youth Services Librarian
> West Slope Community Library
> Portland, OR
> ajrcm@teleport.com (Opinions & comments my own...)
> ******************************
>
>
>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 24 11:15:03 1998
From: AMY LONG <s_along@MAIL.CLARION.EDU>
ubject: Children & YA Datbases Help! -- The sequal
Hello all!
Thank you to all who replied to my message of a week ago. I have
decided to limit my evaluative paper to five databases: Yahooligans,
Electric Library, Juniorquest, KidsClick!, and Kids Catalog.
Now, here is the favor I need: Are any of you using these
databases in your library? If so, how would you rate them? How much do
they cost, if a cost is involved? Do you know of any publications/
articles that would evaluate any of the following databases?
Alright. That's enough questions already! ;) If anyone could
help me, I'd be very appreciative! Please feel free to contact me through
this listserv or at my e-mail address: s_along@mail.clarion.edu
TIA,
Amy Long
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 24 11:15:06 1998
From: Vicky Schoenrock <vschoenr@nslsilus.org>
ubject: Summer reading lists
I am appalled at the summer lists which are full of typos - and they look
as if they were photocopied right out of text or something...They
frequently never include the authors and have very arbitrary reading
levels assigned to them. (Picture books and J fiction on the same level.
My rant for the day.
Vicky Schoenrock, Children's Dept. Manager
Waukegan Public Library, 128 N. County St. Waukegan IL 60085
Phone: 847-623-2041 Fax:847-623-2092
vschoenr@nslsilus.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 24 11:15:05 1998
From: Jean Marie Schmeisser <Schmeisser@ci.sat.tx.us>
Subject: Internet access help and advice
Here at the San Antonio Central Library there is no Internet
access for patrons on the children's floor, although access is available
on the other floors and in all branch libraries. We are looking for
wisdom and advice from those of you who are already offering Internet
access in your children's departments. What arguments for or against
could you share with us? Specifically:
1) Do your patrons use the Internet to find information not
available in other parts of the collection?
2) What policies do you have governing usage?
3) How much staff time is spent enforcing said policies and
taking care of technical (as opposed to reference) aspects of Internet
usage?
4) What would you do differently if you had to do it again?
5) What is your single best argument for providing Internet
access for children?
6) What is your response to controversies surrounding
children's access to the Internet when it's brought up by patrons?
We appreciate your help with this. We've been following the
discussion on filtering that has been going on, but that doesn't quite
address the issues we've been discussing on our floor.
Jean Schmeisser Cathy Ormsby
Schmeisser@ci.sat.tx.us cormsby@ci.sat.tx.us
San Antonio Public Library
Central Branch/Children's Unit
600 Soledad St.
San Antonio, TX 78205
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 24 11:15:17 1998
From: bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale)
Subject: shelving bios
Candace Lisle writes:>
>Bonita Kale, I think I missed your point. Why do the kids have trouble
>finding biographies of sports figures under Bios? Do you shelve them
>separately?
Wow, I phrased that poorly. I meant, if a kid wants a bio of a sports
person, any old sports person, it's harder to find them in the B's than it
would be if they were in the 796s. Of course, if the kid has a -name- to
look for, B is easy. But some of them come in needing a biography of, say,
an inventor or a scientist, and in that case, going through all the Bs is
hard.
Bonita
--
Bonita Kale
bf455@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 24 11:15:17 1998
From: "Marin Younker" <marin@CI.TIGARD.OR.US>
Subject: ya funny books
help :) am compiling a bib of humorous ya and adult books. checked
pubyac and fiction-l archives, bowker's best books, library web
sites, etc. the list, so far, is quite meager. since i tend to
prefer depressing stuff, this question at the ref desk always stumps
me and i get tired of offering the amazon papers, confess-o-rama, or
thwonk. am trying to stick to books with 1990 or later copyrights.
i will compile a list if there is interest. tia. marin.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
J. Marin Younker
Youth Services Librarian
Tigard Public Library
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 24 11:15:17 1998
From: Susan LaFantasie <susanlaf@pcl1.pcl.lib.wa.us>
Subject: Re: a book on trial
The second site is actually People, not Poplee . . . excuse the typo!
It really makes a difference in this situation.:)
Susan LaFantasie, MLS
suanlaf@pcl.lib.wa.us
On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Susan LaFantasie wrote:
> Take a look at these sites:
>
> www.cs.cmu.edu/People/spok/banned-books.html
> www.cs.cmu.edu/Poplee/spok/most-banned.html
>
> Some titles appearing on the second site's lists are:
> I Have to Go, Robert Munsch
> In the Night Kitchen, Maurice Sendak
> Little Red Riding Hood, Grimm
> Halloween ABC, Eve Merriam
>
> Susan LaFantasie, MLS
> susanlaf@pcl.lib.wa.us
>
> Other sites were pulled up by going to Yahoo and using "banned
books" as
> a keyword search. Good luck! (I think the American Library Association
> site has something on banned books as well.)
>
>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 24 11:15:17 1998
From: Pealib@aol.com
Subject: Re: Public/School Libraries stuff
Dear Cindi and list,
We at Peabody have developed a solution to the summer reading books not being
available to the kids in the summer...the schools loan us the books for the
summer. We put them online in June, and as the books filter back in
throughout September, we return them to the schools. We have done this for
the past few years with few books being lost in the process.
Erin M. Gallagher
Head of Youth Services
Peabody Institute Library
Peabody, MA
http://members.aol.com/pealib/youth.htm
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 24 11:15:16 1998
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: Internet use by non-patrons
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Nicholas Berry wrote:
> Perhaps it's impractical in smaller libraries, but I consider anyone who
> walks through the door to be a patron, whether they have a card or not.
> Wouldn't we help the same person if they ask us for directions?
Mmmm, I can think of a good reason - political, of course, not to.
Community X, near yours, won't pay the extra in taxes or accept the
reduction in some other service necc. to provide internet access. Their
patrons just come over to use the access "your" patrons have paid for.
Like most politics, it tends to leave a (metaphorical) bad taste in your
mouth, but it's also rather hard to ignore.
Kirsten Edwards
kirstedw@kcls.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 24 11:15:18 1998
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: library as parent/Rah!Rah! Filters
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 schachtc@lcm.macomb.lib.mi.us wrote:
> Kirsten Edwards wrote:
> I do sympathize with the desire of parents to raise
> PU>their children "their" way...
>
> So do we all, I suspect, as long as "Their" way is reasonably
sane and
> tolerant; but what happens when "Their" way is anarchist or
skinhead or
> violently anti-semitic? At some point parents "right" to mold
their
> children as they see fit comes into conflict with society's
"right" to
> protect itself from dangerous sorts of intolerance and the child's
> "right" to not have their brains scrambled by parents filled with
> hate/paranoia.
Oh, I agree with you. But I trust governments less than individuals (no
surprise) largely because of my experience with individuals vis a vis
committees. It's the lesser of two evils. I have no solutions for the
problem you raise as a librarian, however, except, as always to make the
resources available for those who want/need them.
> If we are
> aware that strongly creationist parents don't want their child exposed
> to books that teach evolution as fact, for example, but the child is
> interested in finding out about evolution and when the parents are not
> present seeks our assistance, whose rights take precedence?
>
:::Chuckling::: As a creationist myself, I certainly want to have charge
of my child's religious/scientific education (Basic logic and "You can't
put God in the box", neatly protect the Hypothetical Child from the
typical public school science teacher [*]).
Seriously Chuck, here's my postion and YMMV [**] but I'll probably raise
eyebrows with the Real Parents out there. If a child is old enough to ask
me a question at the reference desk, he's old enough to get an objective
answer. "The books on evolution are here. The science dictionaries are
here. I can show you links to scientific sites if you'd like (you'll need
to sign up for internet time if you don't have access at home), and if you
have any further questions or need anything more, please feel free to ask
for me at the desk. I'm here to help."
I came to this conclusion by thinking about the ethical requirements of my
profession, the nature of children's development and my own musings on
"what if it were my child?"
But as always, my position isn't set in stone. If there's some obvious
rational reason for doing otherwise that I've missed, I'd be happy to have
it pointed out to me.
Kirsten Edwards
kirstedw@kcls.org
[*] Before I raise the hackles of every school teacher, let me state I'm
a navy brat and have been to a different school nearly every year,
all across the U.S. Some teachers are amazing, some are REAL
stinkers and the majority tend to be rather weak in science and math.
It is the latter two types that concern me.
[**] Your Mileage May Vary
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 24 12:12:40 1998
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: Inadmissable Truths?
On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, James B. Casey wrote:
> Are the following statements either untrue or so
> unspeakable in nature that their very utterance
> is considered to be "flaming"?
No, I believe the correct internet parlance (recently learned) is
"trolling" as in "trolling for flames". Those sending such
posts are then
termed, "trolls".
I'm not going to quote your points or answer them at length (Vast sighs of
relief being heaved, no doubt) but as Suzette Haden Elgin rightly points
out, any native English speaker knows it's not just the words themselves
but the "tune they're sung to": Expression, conotation and the implied
conclusions the speaker expects you to draw from his words have powerful
effects.
Alas, while the points you raise are indeed interesting and point out
potential lacks/problems/challenges, they *appear to be* criticisms and
points of conflict rather than opportunites for cooperation and
self-improvement. Thus provoking no end of ill will and, often flames.
Please believe that I enjoy people who raise difficult and unpalatable
subjects for discussion, but as I have learned (as I so often do,
unfortunately the hard way), it's imperative to detach such subjects as
much as possible from blaming, accusing and excoriating language.
All the best,
Kirsten Edwards
kirstedw@kcls.org
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 24 16:21:22 1998
From: Overmyer <overmyer@crl.com>
ubject: Job announcement - Berkeley, CA
>
>The City of
>Berkeley
>
>Invites applications for
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>
>Library
>Services
>Manager
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>
>An Equal Opportunity EmployerThe Position
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>The Berkeley Public Library is seeking a Library Services Manager with a
>broad understanding of library services and operations. The Library
>Services Manager is a division head accountable for system-wide
>programs, services and operations in either the Central Library or branch
>libraries. Incumbents are responsible for program planning and
>personnel management over such areas as Technical Services, Branch
>Services, Reference, and Children's Services. Incumbents participate on
>a variety of executive committees and are expected to handle difficult
>assignments, including special projects as assigned. Current vacancy is
>in Branch Services and assists with the Central Library Building Renovation
Project.
>
>Some examples of duties include: developing and directing the
>implementation of goals, objectives, policies, procedures and work
>standards for the division; planning, organizing, administering, reviewing
>and evaluating the work of professional, technical and office support
>staff; maintaining liaison with the Director of Library Services or Deputy
>Director to ensure close coordination of library programs.
>The "Ideal" Candidate
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>The ideal candidate will possess the following knowledge, skills and
>abilities:
>
> Demonstrated experience in library program planning and
>implementation; integrating appropriate technology.
>
> Demonstrated knowledge of principles and practices of
>management and supervision. Building construction project experience
>desirable.
>
> Excellent oral and written communication and public speaking
>skills.
>
> Ability to maintain effective working relationships with a variety of
>individuals, community groups and City representatives.
>
> Ability to analyze complex problems, evaluate alternatives,
>develope creative solutions.
>
> Knowledge and skill in effective employee supervision, including
>selection, training, work evaluation, and discipline.
>Professional Qualifications
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>Equivalent to graduation from a college or university with a Master's
>degree in Library Science. Five years of experience in the supervision
>of library programs and services including a least two years of employee
>supervisory experience.
>
>NOTE: Employment background, academic degrees, licenses,
>certificates, and other credentials are subject to confirmation as part of
>the appointment process.
>The Berkeley Public Library
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>The Berkeley Public Library, established in 1893, has a Central Library
>and four branches, and is one of the most heavily used public libraries in
>California. The Central Reference Division answers an average of
>13,500 questions per month. The Library has a literacy program and a
>Tool Lending Branch, and provides free delivery to Berkeley residents
>with disabilities. The Berkeley Public Library supports the individual's
>right to know by providing free access to information and developing
>collections and services which meet the needs of our multi@cultural
>community.
>The City
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>The City of Berkeley, located on the east shore of San Francisco Bay,
>offers its 106,000 residents one of California's most interesting and
>diverse living areas. It is a city that is known for its ability to attract
>strong individuals with energy, tolerance, latitude, and flexibility as well
>as for its ability to encompass change without sacrificing either its
>essential character or the quality of life.
>
>The public marina, bay views, international shops and restaurants, and
>the University of California at Berkeley are but a few of its attractions.
>Its beautiful setting, pleasant climate, and recreational and cultural
>activities offer a wide variety of leisure opportunities.
>
>The City of Berkeley is an Equal Employment Opportunity employer and
>actively seeks applications from women and minorities, the disabled,
>veterans, and qualified persons 18 years of age or older.Tentative
>Selection Process
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>06/08/98: Position open for application.
>
>07/06/98: Final filing date for applications. NOTE: applications must
>be received by no later than 5:00 p.m. on this date. Faxed applications
>will not be accepted. Postmarks will not be accepted.
>
>
>An official City of Berkeley application form and supplemental
>questionnaire must be filled out in their entirety. It is the applicant's
>responsibility to explain his/her qualifications fully and clearly.
Incomplete
>and/or inaccurate information on the application and/or supplemental
>questionnaire may be cause for disqualification from the examination
>process. All applications will be carefully reviewed and those applicants
>meeting the minimum qualifications will have their names placed on an
>eligibility list. The most qualified candidates will be invited to an oral
>board interview. Finalists will be invited to participate in departmental
>interviews.
>
>
>For further information or to submit an application, contact:
>
>The City of Berkeley
>Personnel Department
>2180 Milvia Street
>Berkeley, CA 94704
>Phone: (510) 644-6460
>TDD#: (510) 644-6915
>
>
>PLEASE NOTE: The provisions of this bulletin do not constitute a
>contract, expressed or implied, and any provisions contained in this
>bulletin may be modified or revoked without notice.
>
>PLEASE NOTE: All City employees are required to provide services as
>Disaster Service Workers in the event of an emergency/disaster.
>
>
>
>PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPER
>(LG)
>Benefits & Compensation
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>Salary and
>Retirement
>Contrib.: $48,924 - $58,944. In addition, the City pays the
>employee's share to the Public Employees' Retirement System (PERS)
>and to the City's Supplemental Retirement Income Plan (SRIP) making the
>Effective Salary $54,519 - $65,240 (salary increase pending).
>
> The City is not a member of Social Security, therefore, only
>the Medicare portion is deducted.
>
>
>Deferred
>Comp: Employees may defer up to $8,000 each year to the Deferred
>Compensation Plan.
>
>
>Health &
>Dental: The City provides full coverage for employees and eligible
>dependents, including domestic partners.
>
>
>Life
>Insurance: City-paid life insurance coverage for employees.
>
>
>
>Vacation: Three weeks annually; four weeks starting twelfth year.
>
>
>Holidays: Sixteen paid holidays annually.
>
>
>Sick Leave: Employees earn twelve days annually.
>Supplemental Questionnaire
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>This supplemental questionnaire will be a primary tool in the evaluation of
>your application. Please answer each question in sufficient detail (on
>separate sheet[s] attached to your application) so that the evaluator of
>these responses can understand precisely what your experience and
>accomplishments have been. Applications will be considered incomplete
>and you will not be considered for continuation in the process unless the
>supplemental questionnaire is submitted.
>
>
>1. Describe your supervisory and administrative experience with
>specific reference to budgeting, planning, implementation, technology and
>the evaluation, training, development, and discipline of employees.
>
>2. The Library Services Manager classification covers four areas of
>library services: a) reference, b) technical services, c) youth services,
>and d) branch libraries. Please describe your background and
>experience relevant to any or all of the four areas (noting the current
>issues and challenges that affect these areas). (Note: you are not
>required to discuss each area, but please do so if they apply.)
>
>3. Describe a major problem or challenge you dealt with in the past.
>Explain how you handled the situation, what the outcome was, and
>what, if anything, you would do differently.
>
>4. Describe the three most important qualities which you look for in a
>supervisor. Why?
>
>Describe the three most important qualities which you look for in an
>employee. Why?
>
>
>
>^
>You MUST respond to the supplemental questionnaire (above) in order to
>be considered for this recruitment.
>
>
Doug and Elizabeth Overmyer
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 24 16:21:25 1998
From: Julie Linneman <juliel@wichita.lib.ks.us>
Subject: Stumper: Trees cut down
I need help locating a picture book. There is a forest of trees and over
time, more and more were cut down to make room for the city. The last few
remaining trees were fenced. One day, some children found a hole in the
fence and they gained access to the trees. Then, the men came with their
bulldozers. The men hear crying and they think it is the trees, but they
discover it is the children. From that point on, the trees become a park.
Does this ring any bells? Thanks for your help.
Julie Linneman
Wichita (KS) Public Library
juliel@wichita.lib.ks.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 24 16:21:22 1998
From: "John Albee" <albee@revealed.net>
ubject: Books & Book Reviews on the Web, Wednesday, June 26, 1998
Hi pubyac Listmembers,
Please take a look at my 75th Page at Needle in a CyberStack on
"Books & Book Reviews on the Web" at
http://home.revealed.net/albee/pages/Books.html . This should be a handy
tool for both youth librarians involved in Readers Advisory work, Reference
Work and the general public too. Writers and scholars should find some
useful starting points there, also.
Suggestions for sites which should be included are appreciated!
Also, if possible, please let me know what you think of my
info/tool pages: Needle in a CyberStack
at http://home.revealed.net/albee/
There are currently 75 interlinked pages including Books & Book
Reviews, 24 alphabetized Business and Career Tools Pages, the Best of
Curriculum, 24 alphabetized Medical and Scholarly Research Pages,
Reference, Law & Justice, Cybrarians' Favorites, Intelligence &
Security,
Law Enforcement, Exploring, What's Cool, Fun, News Sources, etc.
I've tried to keep it simple, powerful, quick-loading (Table
Format), and useful - with links to all the best Search and Info Tools in
the world. Comments and suggestions are much appreciated. If you know of
a link that should be there please tell me!.
My hope is that this will become a frequent and useful tool for
your research, study, and reference work. However, your patrons should
find it to be useful too. I also participate in several webrings (at the
bottom of my main page) which may be useful to you or your family members:
The History Ring, The Research Webring, Homeschoolers, Journalism and
Research Resources Webring and the Homework Ring.
If you like it, please pass it on as you see fit. Thanks!
John
John Albee mailto:albee@revealed.net
Teacher, Davenport Community Schools
Website: Needle in a CyberStack - the InfoFinder
http://home.revealed.net/albee/
address: 736 Westerfield Road
Davenport, Iowa 52806 phone: 319-386-2171
We are all Works In Progress...
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