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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:49:58 -0400 (EDT)
To: pubyac-digest@nysernet.org
Subject: pubyac V1 #813
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:41:09 -0700
From: Betsy Johnson <betsyhdpl@earthlink.net>
Subject: Teen Book Discussion
Hello,
I am starting a teen book discussion group this fall. I was wondering if
anyone knew of a good webpage or print source for discussion questions on
different YA books. I'm looking for questions or information about Avi's
Nothing But the Truth and Margaret Peterson Haddix's Among the Hidden.
TIA
Betsy Johnson
Betsyhdpl@earthlink.net
Henderson District Public Libraries
Henderson, Nevada
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:34:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kirsten Edwards <kirstedw@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: TV
> Kristen Edwards wrote:
>
> OTOH, I did get the "may you have children just like you curse"
so perhaps
> it evens out :-)
On Tue, 7 Sep 1999, Diane Adams wrote:
> What about the kids finding things to occupy themselves. Both of
> my children learned at a very early age to find something to do.
> They looked at books (both my kids taught themselves to read),
> they played with toys, they danced. My daughter at age 5 loves to
Yeah, but, when I found things w/which to occupy myself they involved
taking apart electrical outlets (set myself on fire) digging escape
tunnels under the fence and discovering the fascinating world of
neighbors' garage chemicals (stomach pumped 3x) & exploring the marine
corp firing range. This is, mind, all before age four.
Hence the curse. I think Bonita was talking about the valuable sedatory
effects of TV/video tapes on kids like I'd been. Still, reading to me
kept me quiet and gave her a calm time. OTOH, she had grey hair before
age 25...
Kirsten Edwards
kirstedw@kcls.org
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:43:52 -0400
From: Toni Buzzeo <buzzeocyll@mix-net.net>
Subject: Author/Illustrator/Storyteller Visits
Hi all,
As I present workshops for public and school librarians about the best
possible Author/Illustrator/Storyteller visits, I continue to be
interested in hearing your stories. Please respond directly to me, or
to the list as a whole, if you can answer any or all of these questions:
1) What are some of the best Author/Illustrator/Storyteller visits you
have ever sponsored? What made them so successful?
2) How have you been most creative in planning visits?
3) What virtual connections have you made with
Authors/Illustrators/Storytellers? Have you ever connected kids with
Bookpeople virtually?
Thanks for your input!
Best,
Toni
Toni Buzzeo, MA, MLIS
Maine Library Media Specialist of the Year
Co-Author: TERRIFIC CONNECTIONS WITH AUTHORS, ILLUSTRATORS, AND
STORYTELLERS : REAL SPACE AND VIRTUAL LINKS (November 1999, Libraries
Unlimited)
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:37:05 -0400
From: "Sylvia Leigh Lambert" <leighladidah@gurlmail.com>
Subject: New Library Associate/Services Coordinator
Hello all,
I'm Leigh. I am not only new to this list, but I'm also a new Library
Associate/Services Coordinator. (I hope this new work will be my vocation--my
calling--and my contribution and niche, for I come to it at almost age 25, green
and perhaps naive, after a somewhat motley past in 1.)2 and 1/2 years as a
drama/musical theater major, 2.) finally getting a BA in English 3.) not getting
an M.T. in Secondary English, but however collecting 33 credits toward this
degree only to 'burnout' in student teaching--thanks in part to my 'naivete', in
part to friction between reality and my ideals/hopes, in part to Standards of
Learning and Academic rigor in friction with my ideas about playfulness and
meaningfulness, and in part also to my lack of confidence in dealing with my
incompetencies--among other factors.
Now I have been welcomed into an inner city public library system. This system
is in the midst of a big turnover--tons of shifts of personnel, changes of
programs, etc. In fact, the powers that be still have not clearly explained what
my official duties/tasks/responsibilities shall be. But, rumor has it that I
might be asked to:
1.) Create/Perform STORYTIMES (reading stories, leading songs and stretches,
etc.) for little ones ages 18 months to 6 years old at two branch locations
2.) Coordinate/Organize Homework Help time at these two locations--working
mostly with older elementary kids through H.S. students (say, ages 8-16).
3.) Cook up some 'while-you-are-in-the-library' activities for M.S. and H.S.
students, who claim they have no homework. (For example, one of the clerks at
one of the branches asked kids to go into the meeting room and record themselves
rapping _The Cat in the Hat_.)
Note: The branches in which I shall work are inner city, and are stressed for
funds, resources. There are what some would consider 'racial' and 'economic''barriers'
to be crossed or dismantled. I must admit that I am concerned about the older
H.S. guys resenting me as an 'upper-middle-class-young-white-woman'. I don't
want to represent 'the system' or 'hegemony' here. I want to connect and do a
good service as a good person, period.
Any tips for my building the confidence to 'get past' the incompetencies that I
will have (as many of us do when we start new work) as I enter into this
uncharted professional territory.
Thanks.
Respectfully,
Leigh
(who really could use the names of resources for honing story-reading skills and
for homework help and for 'teen activities'--and hey, for 'kiddie activities'
too.
What an order, hunh!?!
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:24:55 -0400
From: Toni Buzzeo <buzzeocyll@mix-net.net>
Subject: Read to Your Kitten Award
Robin Davis wrote:
> My website won a cute award: The "Read to your Kitten" award!!
> The site it is featurred on has
> some good stuff on it for librarians--bibs, etc. The site can
> be seen on the winners' page:
> http://homepage.interaccess.com/~cynthias/readwithyourkittenssites.htm
Robin is right. Not only does Native children's author Cynthia Leitich
Smith website have some wonderfully fanciful pages, she has a
comprehensive set of pages devoted to multicultural literature, most
particularly interracial families, Native American Indian literature,
and Asian-American literature.
Bookmark this one!
Toni Buzzeo, MA, MLIS
Maine Library Media Specialist of the Year
Co-Author: TERRIFIC CONNECTIONS WITH AUTHORS, ILLUSTRATORS, AND
STORYTELLERS : REAL SPACE AND VIRTUAL LINKS (Libraries Unlimited, 1999)
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:28:10 -0500
From: "ROBIN DAVIS" <DAVISR@ci.farmers-branch.tx.us>
Subject: Re: Challenge to Mother-Daughter Book Group
That is the silliest thing I have ever heard!!! Ask the person if he has ever
been a part of an all male sports team or group in his life--those which pervade
and run our society!!. If so, consider suing HIM! <giggle>
All kidding aside, if you are really concerned, offer an equal program for Dads
and sons, such as a book club, car discussion, etc. I think you are safe because
it is an absolute that to be a mother or a daughter you MUST be female--and that
is not dicrimination. But if you do not offer a similar program for males, you
are not being equal, according to the city attorney. This happened to me at
another Library, and we were safe--we offered a prom program for girls and
someone complained and was appeased with a similar program for guys. (Which,
BTW, only the person who complained showed up for!!)
Robin Davis
Farmers Branch Manske Library, TX
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:26:11 PDT
From: "Maire Thompson" <mczt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TV
Just thought I would put my two cents in.
I agree with Bonita and I have been ashamed, as a librarian/lover of books,
to admit it. I once told a group of new moms that it was ok if their baby
"watched" some TV--all in the interest of providing vivual stimuli and
allowing the baby to hear words/language--sometimes mom and baby can
interact witht the tv show, pointing out colours, shapes, objects.
I have been battling with it ever since, feeling like a bad children's
librarian, that maybe that wasn't the best "advice" to give, while on
the
other hand, I firmly believe that responsible television viewing has its
benefits.
Thanks for reading.
M. Thompson
- ----Original Message Follows----
From: "Part Time Kids" <ptimekids@euclid.lib.oh.us>
Reply-To: pubyac@nysernet.org
To: pubyac@nysernet.org
Subject: TV
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 12:08:34 -0400
Look, if TV is bad because it takes the place of real-life interaction,
that doesn't necessarily mean it's bad in small doses. Tiny doses, all
right. But the interaction with the real world that children get
depends on a lot of things--like, for instance, how long they sleep. If
you have a sleeper, you might want every waking moment used in physical
and social interaction. But if you are blessed with a baby who sleeps
about five hours a day, the TV isn't reducing interaction--at least, not
useful interaction. It might reduce the number of times you shriek, "I
have to get some rest! You're driving me crazy!"
Bonita
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:51:26 -0700
From: Ann-Marie Biden <ambiden@nancy.ci.san-marino.ca.us>
Subject: Pubyac #810--Harry Potter #3
We had 3 copies of the third title on order from Ingram and we received
them the day the book was released. Had them processed and available the
next day!
As a side note, J.K. Rowling will be at the San Marino Toy and Book Shoppe
on Sunday, Oct. 24th from 2-4 pm. They have asked for a police presence
since they anticipate a HUGE crowd! (I tried to get a quickie visit to the
library, but her itinerary is quite "solid".....)
Ann-Marie Biden, Youth Services Librarian
San Marino Public Library
1890 Huntington Dr.
San Marino, CA 91108
tel (626) 300-0776 fax (626)284-0766
ambiden@ci.san-marino.ca.us
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:50:32 -0400
From: "Earl and Kirsten Martindale" <earlmart@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Challenge to Mother-Daughter Book Group
I'm not a lawyer, but I think it would only be discrimination if you did not
allow the man to attend. Although the intended audience is mother-daughter,
inclusion of other interested persons (and it seems as though you have at
least one!) would not change the focus of your program.
Of course, if you have several interested males, you might want to start a
father-child reading group, and let the complaining individual decide which
group best serves his needs.
Kirsten Martindale
Buford, GA
- ----- Original Message -----
My library currently runs a Mother-Daughter Book Group for girls in grades
5 - 8 and their moms. Recently we were challenged by a patron who claims
that this constitutes discrimination and that he would win if brought to
court>
> Ilene N. Lefkowitz
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:13:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kristi Maclean <kmaclean@timberland.lib.wa.us>
Subject: Re: Toys
Our toys and stuffed animals were filthy and falling apart so we decided
to get rid of them. We do have a few large, wooden puzzles for the
preschoolers, and crayons and scratch paper are always available upon
requst. We have games like Clue and Sorry for the older kids, and decks of
cards, Magic, and chess which are popular with teens. It's been very
liberating getting rid of the toys which were constantly being tossed
around or pulled apart. If I recall correctly we phased them out slowly
so the kids wouldn't have to go cold turkey. They never ever ask for
them, and it's that much less house cleaning for us.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kristi Maclean
Children's Associate
Tumwater Timberland Library Voice: 360-943-7790
7023 New Market St. FAX: 360-943-6753
Tumwater, WA 98501 e-mail: kmaclean@timberland.lib.wa.us
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:38:18 -0500
From: John Albee <albeej@home.com>
Subject: Student / Teacher Resources moved & updated, Sunday, September 12,
1999
Needle in a CyberStack - the InfoFinder has moved to
http://members.home.net/albeej/
There are now 150+ pages in this jumpstation for students, librarians
and teachers. It is now a mirror site for the research resource, The
Spire Project, also. The combination of these two resources should
help you to be more effective in your learning, study and research
projects. Your patrons may find this to be a valuable resource and
timesaver also.
Comments and suggestions of other valuable learning links are much appreciated.
Thanks. Bye. John
John Albee mailto:albeej@home.com
Teacher, Davenport Community Schools
Website: Needle in a CyberStack - the InfoFinder
http://members.home.net/albeej/
We are all Works In Progress...
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:45:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Posanti <kposanti@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: MUD's
Does anyone have any experience with MUD's (Multi-user Domains)? I have
heard that they cause damage to computers. Is this true? If so, what
type of damge do they cause?
Do other libraries have patrons who wish to use MUD's on library
computers? Is there a policy on MUDS? Are there any opinions out there
regarding whether or not patrons should be permitted to use MUD's on
library computers?
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:58:51 -0400
From: Jo-Ann Woolverton <jwoolver@idirect.com>
Subject: Re: Toys
Hi Darcy,
We have a large selecion of Waffle Blocks (Little Tikes) and Duplo
Blocks, both regular and baby. The children love to build towers with
them.
Jo-Ann Woolverton
Toronto Public Library
Jane-Dundas Branch
Darcy Osterberg wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Curious as to what kind of toys other libraries keep in their
> childrens section that seem to work the best as far as holding the
> childs interest (without making them go wild!) yet remain durable and
> are still on the educational side.
>
> We have the large floor puzzles, some puppets and stuffed animals.
>
> ===
> Darcy Osterberg
> Velveeta98@yahoo.com
> __________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:51:14 -0500
From: Dana Estes <de2345@tds.net>
Subject: RE: Food for thought: violence...
But, kids are kids and with proper parental guidance, that incident
probably would not have happened. Kids are always getting into trouble and
trying dangerous things regardless of what they see or watch.
Dana Estes
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:11:19 -0400
From: Christine Hill <chill@willingboro.org>
Subject: Re: Pajama story hours
I start with a standard opening fingerplay like Open, Shut Them, then read my
feature story, usually a classic picture book. Follow up with a song or
fingerplay, then two short picture books on the same theme.
Then I tell the kids, now we have the relaxing portion of our program. When
you get home you will be so relaxed that you will go right to sleep. (The
parents, who stay with them, are nodding eagerly.)
First I sing them a lullaby as they rock their teddy bears. I use either
Rockabye Baby, Sleep Baby Sleep or Baby's Boat's the Silver Moon. Then I read
a soothing bedtime story (list of winners below). Then we close with this
fingerplay from Ring a Ring of Roses.
At night I see the twinkling stars
(Both arms up, open and close hands.)
And a great big shining moon
(Arms up, make a circle)
Then mommy tucks me into bed
(One palm up, lay pointer finger of other hand in palm, close hand)
And sings a goodnight tune.
(Rock hand)
Then I say Goodnight, everybody. See you next week.
Soothing bedtime stories.
Asleep, Asleep-Ginsburg
Lala Salama-Boyzlinsky
Where the Wild Things Are-Sendak
Ten Flashing Fireflies-Sturges
Ten Nine Eight-Bang
Bedtime for Frances-Hoban (long)
Runaway Bunny and Goodnight Moon-Brown
Golden Bear- Young
Very Quiet Cricket and Very Lonely Firefly- Carle
Rockabye Farm- Hamm
More More More Said the Baby- Williams
I'll Catch the Moon- Crews
Where Does the Brown Bear Go- Weiss
Night Goes By-Spohn
Hush- Ho
A Lot of Otters-Berger
What the Sun Sees-Tafuri
And If the Moon Could Talk-Banks
Wynken Blinken and Nod-Field (several picture book versions)
Christine M. Hill
Willingboro Public Library
One Salem Road
Willingboro NJ 08046
My new book! Robert Ballard: Oceanographer Who Discovered the Titanic,
Enslow, 1999
Molly L Chatt Crandall wrote:
> Hello all, I am in a bit of a bind, and I hope you can help! I am
> scheduled to begin doing a preschool pajama story hour next week (kids
> come at night dressed in their jammies with their teddy bears), and I was
> wondering if you had any favorite bedtime-theme songs, fingerplays,
> stories, etc. to share with me. I have been home sick for the past week
> and haven't been able to plan it!
>
> Also, unrelated to the p.j. storyhour, but does anyone have any good
> craft ideas for K - 2nd grades on reptiles (any snakes, turtles, lizards,
> crocodiles would be great) I'd appreciate any help, all my planning and
> craft books are at the library and I'm stuck home with bronchitis.
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Molly Chatt Crandall
> Youth Services Librarian
> Ontario Public Library
> Ontario, NY
> chattcrandall@juno.com
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:45:27 -0500
From: Berry <jamesasbury@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: An Appeal to Reason
This wouldn't be the first time I was called that. You may also call me
skeptical, Laura. If you think the site I am talking about is anywhere near what
you can find on network or even cable, then I seriously doubt you have seen it.
I do agree about misinformation on the web as a greater danger, however, which
is why I'm puzzled why so many out there are concerned it is going to get
filtered.
Laura Whaley wrote:
> Thats rather arrogant Berry, I've been to that site and I regularly explore
> the 'net based on student's assignments- just to see what pops up: and pop
> up they do. Try searching "goddesses". I don't like what is out
there in the
> way of violence and imagery but I'm more concerned about the plethora of
> mis-information on the 'net. Our society seems to have the mindset that if
> its in print, or on my computer screen, it's true. I'm much more worried
> about that, than a random hit that, unfortunately, isn't all that different
> from todays television shows (cable and networks).
> Just my two cents,
>
> Laura
> Boulder Creek Branch Library
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Berry [mailto:jamesasbury@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 1999 3:40 PM
> To: pubyac@nysernet.org
> Subject: An Appeal to Reason
>
> <snip>
>
> If you would like to investigate the site in question for yourself to make
> yourself better informed about the issue you are discussing, please e-mail
> me privately and I will forward you the URL.
>
> But I doubt I'll get any takers.
>
> --
>
> Berry
> jamesasbury@yahoo.com
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:57:44 -0400
From: Simpson <jsimpson03@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Harry Potter
I ordered 3 copies for our library a few weeks ago, and a personal copy
for myself last week. My personal copy came in Tuesday. I'm still
waiting for the library's copies!
By the way - I am seriously annoyed with USA Today for giving away the
entire plot of the book in their so-called review. I had to stop
reading the paper because I didn't want to ruin the surprise of the
book. Who gave that dummy a license to review?
Martha Simpson, Stratford (CT) Library
Dallas DiLeo wrote:
>
> HI folks,
>
> With tomorrow being the lay down date for the third Harry Potter
> book, have any libraries already rec'd their shipments?
>
> Dallas DiLeo
> Head, Children's Department
> Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh
> 4400 Forbes Avenue Pittsburgh PA 15213
> (412) 622-3189
> dileod@clpgh.org
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:51:07 -0500
From: Cathy Ormsby <COrmsby@ci.sat.tx.us>
Subject: RE: An Appeal to Reason
> ----------
> From: Berry[SMTP:jamesasbury@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 4:40 AM
> To: pubyac@nysernet.org
> Subject: Re: An Appeal to Reason
>
> Point is, if censorship is wrong, no if, ands, or buts, then it is wrong,
> regardless who is doing it. Obviously, from your comments and that of
> others, it
> isn't ALWAYS wrong.
>
This is a straw man. Parents have the legal right and moral responsibility
to monitor - censor, if you will - materials for their own children. This
is not the same as what I understand to be censorship by the government, or
by public institutions such as libraries.
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:58:43 -0700
From: "Charlette Hines Poteat" <charlettehines@eudoramail.com>
Subject: Re: teen volunteers
our teen volunteers in Mt. Washington are my lifesavers
when it comes to anything on computer...although i have
had classes on this subject, they seem to be of one
mind with the computer and have all sorts of neat
shortcuts to get me where i want to go faster....if it
were not for my teen volunteers, we librarians here
would definitely been "computer illiterate". they also
are extremely helpful to the patrons and they can be
helpful without being condescending. they're wonderful. because of their
schedules for school and
extra-curricular activities, i ask them when they can
be here and work from there....it seems to work better.
i had been given permission when i took this position
to ban one of them from the library if he gave me
trouble......he is my best and most dependable teen
volunteer....even his teachers are constantly in awe
to find him in the library.
- ---
On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:26:42 children johnson city public library wrote:
> I am interested if finding out how those of you who have teen
>volunteers schedule them to work. We started the volunteer program in June
>to have extra help for our summer reading program and to get teens involved
>in the library. <snip>
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:50:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ann Roush <annroush@kcls.org>
Subject: Re: custom t-shirts
We ask chidren to bring their own t-shirt to the program. However, I
usually have a couple on hand "just in case..." Our local craft store
carries a variety of sizes and colors in plain t-shirts that are quite
inexpensive. Be sure they have been laundered before you use them.
Ann Roush
King County Library System Wa
Redmond Library
annroush@kcls.org
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:16:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Todd A Grazier <tgrazier@gcfn.org>
Subject: Re: Free Expression Network: An Appeal to Reason
On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, wrote:
<snip>
>
> I am not saying there should be no lines drawn, just that libraries are in
a
different business. Information access, documents, images, words, whatever. If
it's legal we provide it. I don't see this as revolutionary or difficult.
<snip>
> Carol Edwards
> edwarc@pon.net
The difficulty is that distribution of pornography to minors is ILLEGAL.
If they cannot legally purchase it in a store, why should the library be
a way to circumvent standards to which we have already accepted, by our
non-action to change them. If someone on this list is presently engaged
in a legal battle to change this law and allow minors to purchase porn-
ography, I apologize in advance.
/`
o") Todd A. Grazier
,( )' tgrazier@gcfn.org
_"_ Columbus Metropolitan Library
"The opinions expressed are mine, you may borrow them with a valid library
card."
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:59:12 -0400
From: "Inge Saczkowski" <isaczkow@niagarafalls.library.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Toys
We have some of the large Little Tykes toys in our department: the kitchen,
a garden set, a house and a little boat that the kids can sit in. We keep
the smaller pieces at the desk, the "people" or the kitchen food and
utensils. When I first started in children's work, I was very opposed to
having toys (my God they should be looking at books!). But I have changed
my opinion. I find that if we can keep the little ones (ages 18 months to
5 years ) occupied for a little while, their parent or caregiver is then
given a little time to select their books, instead of just always running
after the kids and then leaving with nothing, becasue they are too
distratced chasing their 2 year olds to choose their books. Toddlers are
really really busy, a lot of work and if I can give those tired parents an
extra five minutes to pick out their books, let's do it. is it a little
noisy sometimes? Yes, but it's worth it.
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:08:21 -0500
From: Berry <jamesasbury@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Free Expression Network: An Appeal to Reason
edwarc@mx.pon.net wrote:
>
> I am not saying there should be no lines drawn, just that libraries are in
a different business. Information access, documents, images, words, whatever. If
it's legal we provide it. I don't see this as revolutionary or difficult.
Actually, it is rather cliché' and simplistic. In the face of any problem, it
is always easier to do nothing than something.
- --
Berry
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:09:48 -0500
From: Dana Estes <de2345@tds.net>
Subject: Re: Free Expression Network: An Appeal to Reason
Chuck, Let's not be so mean. They were only saying that parents have the
ultimate right to choose what their children read or watch. Would you want
me coming up to your child and telling them what to read and watch? You
should have the responsibilty as a parent to stand up and say, "Hey!
That's my job." Because if you give up that right you are one step closer
to communism. Today it is books and tv, tommorrow it could be your clothes
and who you marry. Think about it.
Dana Estes
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:22:18 -0500
From: Berry <jamesasbury@yahoo.com>
Subject: An apology
I feel apologies are in order to the members of this list. It should have
occurred to me that you would be more interested in finding out about the heart
of the issue than the hardcore ideologues I have encountered on other lists who
either don't know what is out there, or don't care. Whether the people of Pubyac
agree with me or not, I have had quite a few requests for the adult anime
URL mentioned in an earlier post from folks who want to be informed about
materials that may be accessed by children on the Internet.
Again, I apologize for jumping to assumptions.
- --
Berry
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:27:18 -0500
From: Dana Estes <de2345@tds.net>
Subject: Re: An Appeal to Reason
But the point is that it is offensive to you. Keep in mind the saying"One
man's trash is another man's treasure." We cannot pretend that we are so
almighty that we can automatically decide what is offensive for every
person on the face of the earth. I love horror films but you may find them
offensive. I personally don't want you to turn off my tv or vcr and tell
me it is offensive. Because, guess what? It is not offensive to me! How
would you like me to turn off your favorite television show or destroy your
favorite book because I found them offensive? I don't think you would be a
happy camper.
Dana Estes
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