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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org> To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:20:44 CST Subject: PUBYAC digest 17 PUBYAC Digest 17 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Books by Decade by "Paula Anderson" <paulaan@lori.state.ri.us> 2) RE: Author's Birthdays by jvandcar@park-ridge.lib.il.us 3) Wemmicks Stumper by Anne McLaughlin <annemn@lori.state.ri.us> 4) stumper by "miller, jennifer" <jmiller@hclib.org> 5) any complaints about new YA book? by "Pam & Jim Hoepner" <hoepnep@avci.net> 6) Reference book recommendation needed by MKARNOSH@mail.bcl.lib.fl.us 7) Stumper: apple on a window ledge by Susan Price-Stephens (Susan Price-Stephens) <susan.price-stephens@treasure.lpl.london.on.ca> 8) Re: Author's Birthdays (fwd) by Carol Janoff <cjanoff@lib.ci.phoenix.az.us> 9) Re: Author's Birthdays by "Jennifer Needham" <jneedham@haddampl.libct.org> 10) Re: Library Clip Art by "Brenda S. Evans" <chroom@seidata.com> 11) RE: Stumpers and Bibs by Jill Patterson <jpatterson@ci.glendora.ca.us> 12) Re: Stumpers and Bibs by ILefkowitz@aol.com 13) Re: chat room use by Dawn Sardes <dsardes@clsn1269.cumberland.lib.nc.us> 14) RE: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs (long reply) by Leslie Hauschildt <lhauscht@jefferson.lib.co.us> 15) Internet and Word Processing Trainingfor students by Simpson <jsimpson03@snet.net> 16) Re: chat room use by "A. Creech" <alisonc@is2.dal.ca> 17) Re: PUBYAC digest 16 by Ellen Snoeyenbos <ellens@ocln.org> 18) Re: Library Clip Art by "Jeanne Schmitzer" <jeannes@usit.net> 19) stumpers and bibs by Bonnie Wright <bwright@aldus.northnet.org> 20) Re:MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs /response by Merideth Jenson-Benjamin <mjenson-@lib.az.us> 21) chat rooms, etc. by Lyn Persson <lpersson@nslsilus.ORG> 22) Re: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs by Marijo Kist <mkist@lib.ci.phoenix.az.us> 23) spring literature conference by Pryluck <mpryluck@suffolk.lib.ny.us> 24) thanks for the help by Lyn Persson <lpersson@nslsilus.ORG> 25) Re: Stumpers and Bibs by Christine Hill <chill@willingboro.org> 26) Re: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs by Andrew Finkbeiner <ANDREW@rockford.lib.il.us> 27) tin cans by "Karen Sonderman" <sonderka@oplin.lib.oh.us> 28) Stumpers and Bibs by ThrasherS@jcl.lib.ks.us 29) Organizational charts needed by "Kozloff, Rae" <raek@cityofanacortes.org> 30) Music Collection advice needed! by "Jennifer Needham" <jneedham@haddampl.libct.org> 31) Re: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs by Krystal Brown <kbrown_ames@yahoo.com> 32) Re:MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs /response by "<Lesley Knieriem>" <lknierie@suffolk.lib.ny.us> 33) Re: Lapsit by "Elizabeth Buono" <ebuono73@hotmail.com> 34) Re: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs by mellifur@tiac.net 35) Re: chat room use by Paulalef@aol.com 36) Re: stumpers and bibs by "A. Creech" <alisonc@is2.dal.ca> 37) Re: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs by "Brenda S. Evans" <chroom@seidata.com> 38) Re: Internet and Word Processing Trainingfor students by Jane Casto <jcasto@clsn1269.cumberland.lib.nc.us> 39) STUMPER children's lit horses/hunting by Clarence B Hanson Library <hanson@dbtech.net> 40) Re: e-mail, once more by SKS6HPS7@aol.com 41) Re:MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs /response by "Cathy S. Lichtman" <cathyl@tln.lib.mi.us> 42) Re: chat room use by "Group_Acct PAS ; pgroup" <pplypd@hpl.lib.tx.us> 43) Announcement Online Scholar Challenge by "Melissa Gross" <mgross@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> 44) PubyacPurpose by "Swarthmore Public Library" <swcsd@delco.lib.pa.us> 45) Re: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs by Maggi Rohde <maggi@intranet.org> 46) RE: Author's Birthdays by "Group_Acct PAS ; pgroup" <pplypd@hpl.lib.tx.us> 47) Re: chat room use by Smith <lsmith@suffolk.lib.ny.us> 48) Re: Internet and Word Processing Trainingfor students by ILefkowitz@aol.com 49) Re: reproducible pages for parents by MC <mrc42@yahoo.com> 50) Re: Accelerated reader by Elaine Loehmann <eloehmann@millbury.k12.ma.us> 51) Attachments by Jean Hewlett <nbclsref@sonic.net> 52) Re: chat room use by "Diane Adams" <diane@monmouth.chemek.cc.or.us> 53) Re: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs by annelmay@mailserver.franklintwp.org 54) RE: chat room use by Andrea Johnson <ajohnson@cooklib.org> 55) Re: packaged reading lists by Linda Madlung <lmadlung@csd.uwm.edu> 56) Public radio show about children's books - themes & broadcast times by Jeff Dwyer <looseleaf@mindspring.com> 57) Stumper--Stags. by Sarah Howard <showard@mail.coin.missouri.edu> 58) Stumper by "T. Birkholz" <birkholz@nslsilus.ORG> 59) Index to Collective Biographies by mschafer@tln.lib.mi.us 60) Stumper by Carrie Eldridge <celdridge@sanjuan.lib.wa.us> 61) RE: Gender Role titles by Julie Linneman <juliel@wichita.lib.ks.us> 62) Query re: Judith Viorst by "Jennifer Needham" <jneedham@haddampl.libct.org> 63) Re: Music Collection advice needed! by "Rebecca Domonkos" <rebeccadomonkos@hotmail.com> 64) RE: Music Collection policy needed by Jamie Weaver <jweaver@dupagels.lib.il.us> 65) Job announcement by Kelly Jennings <kjennin@tulsalibrary.org> 66) author references by "Mary Weiland" <mweiland@salpublib.org> 67) RE: Books by Decade by DLHIETT <dlh@greennet.net> 68) PUBYAC Trouble with servers by PUBYAC <pyowner@pallasinc.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paula Anderson" <paulaan@lori.state.ri.us> To: <PUBYAC@prairienet.org> Subject: Books by Decade Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:38:37 CST A month or two ago, someone commented that they had put together a = millenium/century program in which kids read a book published in each = decade of this century. I could really use a list of chapter and = picture books broken down by decade. Does anyone have such a list? TIA Paula Anderson Warwick Public Library Warwick, RI paulaan@lori.state.ri.us ------------------------------ From: jvandcar@park-ridge.lib.il.us To: <pubyac@prairienet.org> Subject: RE: Author's Birthdays MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 16:47:46 CST According to Something About The Author vol. 100, Franklin W. Dixon and Carolyn Keene are both collective pseudonyms created by Edward Stratemeyer. Unlike other series that were created by an individual and later written by numerous authors, these two never actually existed. Do you have access to "Something About the Author" published by Gale? They list Demi's birthday as September 2, 1942 but Shel Silverstein just says 1932. I didn't look up all of the others but if the set includes them, you may find what you need in there. Janet Van De Carr Park Ridge Public Library Park Ridge, IL ------------------------------ From: Anne McLaughlin <annemn@lori.state.ri.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Wemmicks Stumper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 16:58:18 CST Coincidentally, on Monday, Dec 6 I had a patron who works at the YMCA come in to our library here in RI asking about a story featuring little wooden people named Wemmicks. I checked everywhere and also had other RI librarians on the quest. This stumper answer was gratefully received here in RI! Anne McLaughlin West Warwick Public Library Rhode Island ------------------------------ From: "miller, jennifer" <jmiller@hclib.org> To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org> Subject: stumper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:04:55 CST
I've got a stumper on a fiction title, taken by a colleague this week; any ideas anyone on what book this is? A 40ish year old man came in looking for a book he read in 7th grade. This is what we know: It is a western. A young boy is the main character. There are some crimes going on, and the criminal leaves canned peaches at the crime site. They think the criminal is dead at first, but then more canned peaches are left behind at the scene of more crimes. Anyway, the boy finds some mummified remains in a cave, and it may be the criminal. The boy needs to try and figure out who the criminal is. The patron thought a place called "The Needles" was central to the location of the story, and Needles may have been in the title. This is all that the patron remembers about the story. Please e-mail me privately if you have any info. thanks, Jenna Miller, Teen Librarian Hennepin County Library jmiller@hclib.org ------------------------------ From: "Pam & Jim Hoepner" <hoepnep@avci.net> To: <PUBYAC@prairienet.org> Subject: any complaints about new YA book? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:11:29 CST Hi all! I just recently re-subscribed to PUBYAC and apologize if this is a repeat question! We are building up and expanding our YA collection and one of the books we ordered (because the title sounded cool) was "Deal with it:a whole new approach to your body, brain, and life as a GURL", by Esther Drill (c.1999) based on the website GURL.com. It has a lot of good info for teen girls but we can see that there could be objections from parents about some of the detailed drawings, jargon, etc. The head librarian asked me to check out there in PUBYAC-land to see if any of you own this book, where you have it (YA or Adult) and if you've had any complaints about it. Thanks a lot. Pam Hoepner Bad Axe Public Library Bad Axe, MI hoepnep@avci.net "100 years from now it won't matter what your checkbook said, what kind of car you drove, or what kind of house you lived in, but whether or not you made a difference in the life of a child." ------------------------------ From: MKARNOSH@mail.bcl.lib.fl.us To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Reference book recommendation needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:18:30 CST Dear Pubyacers-- My library is a dual-use facility, serving as both a public and a community college library. The college offers a certification class for childcare providers. Because Florida requires that providers be certified, the class is a popular offering and we usually have a number of students making use of our collection for their children's literature assignments. A recurring assignment for this class has been to locate books on "Gender Role Identification" that are appropriate for pre-school and primary children. We had some bibliographies and a reference book which had a whole chapter on the topic. However, these were fairly old, and the instructor is now requiring that the students use only books published in the past 10 years. That knocks out such sturdy classics as "William's Doll" (1973), "Free to Be You and Me" (also 1970s) and even "Hazel's Amazing Mother" (1985). : ( The bibliography published on Pubyac a few weeks ago by Merideth Jenson-Benjamin has been helpful (thanks, Merideth!), but I would still like to find a recent reference book which might address this topic. Sources we already own and use are: "A to Zoo" (Helpful career section, but most books are from the 80s) "Best Books for Children, Preschool to Grade 6" (Of limited use) "Best Books for Boys" "Best Books for Girls" (Both somewhat useful) "Children's Catalog" (Very limited use) "The Elementary School Library Collection" (Very limited use) "New Press Guide to Multicultural Resources" (Somewhat useful) "Radical Change: Books for Youth in a Digital Age" (Somewhat useful) Does anyone out there have a terrific suggestion? Many thanks-- Melissa Karnosh Head of Youth Services Broward County South Regional/BCC Library Broward County, Florida ------------------------------ From: Susan Price-Stephens (Susan Price-Stephens) <susan.price-stephens@treasure.lpl.london.on.ca> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Stumper: apple on a window ledge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:26:24 CST Please help me to find this book for our patron. I have checked A to Zoo and our staff at our 15 locations have been asked about this. An old man puts an apple on a window ledge. The apple gets knocked off and someone picks it up. Various things happens to the apple. The story ends with another apple falling off of a tree and being put on a window ledge. Please send replies to me directly at; susan.price-stephens@treasure.lpl.london.on.ca (I am sorry this is a long address all the way from susan to ca) I think that solving stumpers is a useful use of this listserve. But I agree that people have do some work before they ask for help. Thanks for your help.
------------------------------ From: Carol Janoff <cjanoff@lib.ci.phoenix.az.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Author's Birthdays (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:34:13 CST More about author birthdays. Perma-bound has a 2000 Author/Illustrator Birthday Calendar that has loads of authors. It does not tell the year of birth, but each day has names. I'm sure they would send one if anyone asked. Perma-Bound Books Vandalia Road Jacksonville, IL 62650 1-800-637-6581 http://www.perma-bound.com e-mail: books@perma-bound.com from Carol ------------------------------ From: "Jennifer Needham" <jneedham@haddampl.libct.org> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Author's Birthdays MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:40:15 CST Hi, Greenville Public Library: In answer to your question about children's authors birthdays - there is a wall calendar put out by Highsmith for children's librarians that shows the birthdays of most of the authors on your list. I'd be happy to write out the list for you, as well as anyone else that is interested! It might take me a day or two to put it all together (time, as you all know, is a rather precious commodity!) but I'd be happy to help you out! Let me know if you are interested.... Jennifer Needham Brainerd Memorial Library Haddam, CT ------------------------------ From: "Brenda S. Evans" <chroom@seidata.com> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Library Clip Art MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:00:26 CST Dear Joan, I have found http://www.JanetMeyers.com/clipart.html to be a good site. Brenda Evans Joan Enriquez wrote: > Hello , > > I hope you will share with me some of your favorite sites for library > clip art. I am looking for art that is useful for adults and also > children. Thank you. > > Joan Enriquez > joane@ocln.org ------------------------------ From: Jill Patterson <jpatterson@ci.glendora.ca.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: RE: Stumpers and Bibs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:20:34 CST Absolutely do I agree that people should let us know where they searched. I would also like to suggest some kind of bibliographic FAQ for those frequently asked titles--i.e. create a resource where people could check to see if the title they are looking for is described in there. I don't know how many times I've seen the request for the kids smuggling gold past the Nazis in Norway (Snow Treasure). Is there a way of doing that through PUBYAC? Jill Patterson jpatterson@ci.glendora.ca.us Glendora Public Library 140 S. Glendora Ave. Glendora, CA 91741 Tel: 626/852-4896 FAX: 626/852-4899 ------------------------------ From: ILefkowitz@aol.com To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Stumpers and Bibs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:37:17 CST I agree with Sharon's request that we use the resources of PUBYAC for Stumpers as a last resort, but now that we are talking about netetiquette I would like to add one more thing. When you reply to a thread could we all make an effort to cut and paste rather than copying the entire message? Sometimes the threads get copied three and four times making them rather large and hard to read. Just a request. Ilene Lefkowitz Youth Services Librarian Mount Olive Public Library ILefkowitz@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Dawn Sardes <dsardes@clsn1269.cumberland.lib.nc.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: chat room use MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:49:09 CST I am a relatively new librarian (just graduated this past May), so please forgive me if this has been addressed before. Also, I am not criticizing, but truly wish to understand the rationale behind the various positions. The chat room & e-mail use issue is most interesting. Why are those systems which are not allowing chat room & e-mail on public terminals doing so? Chat rooms are not all sleazy pick-up joints. There are professional ones, support group ones that are moderated (much like this listserv). Someone could be using a public terminal to contact ones spouse who is serving our country overseas. I guess I just don't understand why such arbitrary value judgements are being made in such a blanket fashion. A very close family member pays to have access to a moderated chat support group to help her with her battle with anorexia. It is moderated by a mental health professional. Patrons pay to have access to all library resources--electronic as well as print. They are taxpayers. As a former teacher, I have had students interview scientists, authors, & politicians via e-mail to complete assignments. If one of my students had ever come to me and told me that their public library had stood in the way of their educational endeavors, I would have raised a stink and not given in until that policy was changed. It is not fair that only those wealthy few who had home computers could have access to these media. IMHO, we should not be in the business of denying access to various informational media based on value judgements we make. Also, it seems a bit hypocritical to deny our patrons access to the same technology that we are obviously utilizing so fully.
Dawn Sardes Teen Services Librarian I ------------------------------ From: Leslie Hauschildt <lhauscht@jefferson.lib.co.us> To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org> Subject: RE: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs (long reply) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:57:49 CST Being in awe of our moderator's ability to moderate, maintain and control this listserv, I read her question to us with a definite bias to want to agree. And in part, I do. BUT, I will say that part of this listserv's value to me is that in addition to issue discussions (unattended children, service to special populations, lapsit storytimes, etc.) there can be other aspects brought up relevant to our profession that come through the bibs and stumpers. I have found a lot of the bibs very valuable - and I enjoy seeing what stumpers other librarians have come up against. ON THE OTHER HAND, I have to admit that in the past few weeks I have ended up deleting a huge number of the PUBYAC messages because so many of them are stumpers and bibs - which in my priority list of what has to be taken care of are, unless it addresses a current priority of mine, optional and extra reading. I do think Shannon's comments on proper etiquette for stumpers: provide a personal return address for responses, meaningful subject line, and identification of sources already checked, are completely on target. And I for one would feel comfortable with her not posting those messages that don't follow the rules. Bibs are a little tougher to say - black/white - what should be done. Yes, it is obnoxious to have repeated requests for bibs that have been posted before (more than once). But, people sign on to the listserv at different times and may not be aware there was a bib on that subject just recently (or a year ago, or whatever). And given the difficulties in accessing the archives over the past year, that also muddies the issue. So...I would ask if we could continue to utilize the listserv as a potential resource for stumpers and bibs - in addition to it's main purpose of being a discussion forum for issues - but use Shannon's message to us as a wake-up call to put some serious effort into answering our own questions before we post to the listserv, AND to clean up our act in following proper posting rules. Leslie Hauschildt lhauscht@jefferson.lib.co.us Acting Head, Children's Services 303-674-0780 Evergreen Library 5000 Highway 73 Jefferson County Public Library Evergreen, CO 80439 ------------------------------ From: Simpson <jsimpson03@snet.net> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Internet and Word Processing Trainingfor students MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:06:31 CST There's been discussion lately about internet classes for kids. At our library, we have a trustworthy group of young adult volunteers who train kids one-on-one on the internet. These hour-long sessions have worked out pretty well - the kids and parents appreciate the lesson and the YAs get volunteer hours to use for school credit. (The only problem is that sometimes kids or YA trainers sign up for a slot but don't show up.) But I want to bring up another topic that I haven't seen discussed here yet. At the same time that we started offering internet access to kids, we also started to offer word processing (unfortunately, on the same 2 PCs that have internet access) to students. During the summer, kids used the PCs for internet, but since school has started, we have been overwhelmed by kids who need the computers to type up reports for school. I am shocked at how so many patrons are totally clueless about using a word processor! Many kids (teens, really - AND their parents) don't know the simplest thing, such as you have to press ENTER to get to the next line. During after school hours, most of our time seems to be taken up with giving basic typing lessons, which is really starting to bug me. You would think that, with computers in so many schools offering internet, that students would also pick up some basic keyboard skills, but I guess that's not the case. It seems like schools aren't teaching word processing, either, even tho more teachers are demanding their students turn in type-writeen papers. We will probably have to get our YA volunteers in to give WP lessons - I have proposed this to my supervisor already. Meanwhile, I'm curious as to whether or not any other librarians have experienced this? Do you offer word processing? What time limits do you set? (We say an hour, but some kids are so unskilled that it takes them hours to do a half-page report, which is badly spaced and they forgot to put their name on it.) What do you do when a patron needs so much help that you can't get anything else done(including helping other patrons?) In a perfect world, I would love to have a separate computer lab-type room, with another librarian to oversee it, so I could get back to my regular duties - but I know that's not going to happen. That's my rant for now. Does anyone else share my misery? Martha Simpson, Stratford (CT) Library ------------------------------ From: "A. Creech" <alisonc@is2.dal.ca> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: chat room use MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:14:27 CST I work in adult services, not youth, but a lot of our users are teens. We do allow e-mail, and we do allow chat. For the most part, we don't exercise any vigilance over what users are doing on the Internet. If we get complaints from other patrons about what the user is looking at (ie, if it's porn for example), we remind them that this isn't an appropriate place for that. However, I have never had to do this yet, although I do not know how often others have had to do it. Our computers are also close to the reference desk, and there is a lot of e-mail and chat room use going on. Our users have to sign up and only have a limited amount of time. Things may be run differently upstairs in the youth department, where they also have Internet terminals. Alison
******************************************************************************* Alison Creech Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada ak454@chebucto.ns.ca ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ From: Ellen Snoeyenbos <ellens@ocln.org> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: PUBYAC digest 16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:30:26 CST I am having an increasing concern about the use of commercially packaged reading programs like Accelerated Reader in the school systems in our town. These products are marketed to teachers with the assurance that books on their lists are rated by reading level and difficulty. Tests are provided and diagnostic materials are provided. It looks real attractive until they start using them. We at the public library see the fall-out. Kids and parents come in looking for a particular book by an author or for books that fall within a specific reading level. These reading levels seem arbitrary to us. Books that may have simple vocabulary but mature content are frequently at a 4th grade reading level. The lists are stale. I like to point out to the teachers that they "own" this list and really need to read all the books on it to make sure they are appropriate. They can add books to the list but then they need to read them in order to do so. Kids are confounded by the program. It seems to stifle free choice and is more limiting then helpful. Whatever happen to SSR (Silent Sustained Reading)? That was a great encourager to read. Another thing is that there is no non-fiction on any of these lists. I'm annoyed at having to support these lists with my collection and not being able to steer folks to the great new fiction and non-fiction that is out there. Anyone else experience this frustration? Ellen Snoeyenbos ellens@ocln.org ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne Schmitzer" <jeannes@usit.net> To: <pubyac@prairienet.org> Subject: Re: Library Clip Art MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:37:29 CST Hi Joan, Try these: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/2161/clipart/index.html http://home.istar.ca/~allegrow/libraryclipart.htm (my favorite)! Jeanne ------------------------------ From: Bonnie Wright <bwright@aldus.northnet.org> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: stumpers and bibs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:44:39 CST Although I don't get into stumpers and bibs, I am not annoyed by them. I think in the library business, we all tend to work with a lot of information- e.g.) answer lots of reference questions, make up bibliographies for organizations who request them-and so I think the stumpers and bibs are appropriate to our field. ------------------------------ From: Merideth Jenson-Benjamin <mjenson-@lib.az.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re:MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs /response Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:59:09 CST Just to interject, I find it difficult to open attachments with the e-mail program used by library system. Therefore when bibliographies and other information is sent by attachment I often can't read them.
At 06:21 PM 12/7/99 CST, you wrote: >Thank you, Sharon Van Hemert. I thought that I was being too picky or >judgmental regarding these stumpers. I am in favor of citing sources checked >before offering the question for a stumper. This is similar to the procedure we >use in our MCLS reference searches. Also, we could all use a lesson or two in >transporting voluminous information, such as bibliographies, by e-mail >attachment. >my 2 cents worth... >Hedy L. Harrison >Children's Services Librarian >Cerritos Public Library >hedy_harrison@ci.cerritos.ca.us > > > Merideth Jenson-Benjamin Young Adult Librarian Glendale (AZ) Public Library mjenson-@glenpub.lib.az.us ------------------------------ From: Lyn Persson <lpersson@nslsilus.ORG> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: chat rooms, etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:02:52 CST Hello -- Just wanted to speak up in favor of allowing patrons (of all ages) to use e-mail at our libraries... This summer my husband and I were part of a group of 13 people taking a cross-country bicycle trip. We mostly travelled on back roads and went through some very small towns, many of which had libraries with public internet stations (which I was very impressed by). Everyone in our group, even the 20-somethings, were aware that libraries have internet stations, and we were all very appreciative that each and every library we visited allowed us to access our e-mail on their stations. It's hard sometimes to guess or anticipate a patron's reasons for wanting to use a service. In this case, maybe it's better to assume that there could be a legitimate need on the patron's part. By the way, on our trip I ran into a woman who's hoping to start a library in Hartsel, Colorado. If anyone has any children's books in good condition that are looking for a home, please contact me.
*any opinions above are mine only and not my library's* Lyn Persson, Wilmette (IL) Public Library, lpersson@nslsilus.org ------------------------------ From: Marijo Kist <mkist@lib.ci.phoenix.az.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:06:31 CST
Good morning and I will wade into this discussion. I agree that we should state where we look before hitting PUBYAC. That is not just good nettiquite, but for those of us who have been called venerable this year (I just became a grandmother at 40, i'm still adjusting) this was part of our reference training, keeping the patron informed of your process. I will speak now as a person in a very tiny, underfunded branch. All I have is A-Zoo, and I can barely afford to buy updates. So many times the only resources I have are my memories and you guys. Our system is not set up for me to call our central children's desk to check resources--they are swamped and incrediably understaffed. So actually, I never thought this thru before, but I guess subconciously I don't feel I have to allocate much of my teeny budget for resources, because I have you guys. This allows me to buy more of the actual books to put in the actual hands of the actual kids. I print most bibs that are printed and a lot of the stumpers, too. And I even learn a lot from where people cite sources they tried before going to the list. I keep a list of those, too. Someday I may work at a large library again and can afford them. So I thank you. I guess the long and short is I hope people cite sources, continue to ask stumpers and request bibs; try to avoid asking the same questions every three weeks--quarterly is probably often enough to talk about filters, teachers who give immpossible assignments etc;-), put your email at the end and remember that there are some of us who can't afford stuff--even email programs that accept attachments.(mine won't) Marijo Kist mkist@lib.ci.phoenix.az.us Acacia Branch Library (602) 262-6224
------------------------------ From: Pryluck <mpryluck@suffolk.lib.ny.us> To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org Subject: spring literature conference Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:11:29 CST Last April I attended an outstanding Children's Literature conference at the University of Mass. Amherst. I have not seen any notice of an upcoming 2000 conference. Does anyone have any information? Please reply to:mpryluck@suffolk.lib.ny.us. Thanks, Marcia Pryluck, Head of Children's Services, Brentwood Public Library 4th St. & 2nd Ave Brentwood, NY 11717 ------------------------------ From: Lyn Persson <lpersson@nslsilus.ORG> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: thanks for the help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:15:12 CST Hello -- I'd written asking for advice putting together an outreach project for our local special education students. Many thanks to Virginia Johnson, Kirsten Martindale and Cindy Christtin for their helpful replies. This is what I've decided to do (at this point, anyway): Our local school district has an educational foundation which dispenses grants. I'm putting together a proposal requesting funds for: 1. Hiring substitute librarians to cover our desk while the full-timers on our youth services staff (there are 4 of us) make ourselves available to any kids who want a one-on-one persoanlized introduction to the resources in our department. I figure if I ask for $500 it will allow us to see 60 kids for 1/2 hour each. There are 600 kids in our district who have been identified as having some type of disability (many of them have mild disabilities), so if we do a mailing to all these families, it's probably reasonable to expect that about 60 might actually take us up on it. (We will also offer incentives for getting a library card or showing us a library card they already have -- we have some coupons from a local restaurant that we can use.) 2. Supplementing our Books on Tape budget. We have a pretty good collection, but it could certainly use some expansion. Plus, we'll do a bibliography for kids of high-interest low vocabulary books, and we'll improve our parenting collection with new books about disbilities (will probably also create a bibliography). One of the special education coordinators from our school district will visit the library to fill us (full time staff in youth services) in a bit about the characteristics of the special needs population, and how to be most welcoming and helpful at the public library. I'm still open to suggestion if anyone wishes. In the meantime, I'll let you all know how it goes further down the line. Thanks again -- Lyn Persson, lpersson@nslsilus.org Wilmette (IL) Public Library ------------------------------ From: Christine Hill <chill@willingboro.org> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Stumpers and Bibs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:18:12 CST I agree that many stumpers in which the patron only remembers odd bits of plot or character are impossible to research. Can we re-emphasize that the word "stumper" should be in the subject line so those who wish to delete immediately can do so? As to repetitions, during the time when the archives were inacessible, this was unavoidable, but now that we have a new server, perhaps there could be a FAQ on repeated stumpers? Treasure in the Snow springs immediately to mind. Christine M. Hill Willingboro Public Library One Salem Road Willingboro, NJ 08046 chill@willingboro.org My new book! Robert Ballard: Oceanographer Who Discovered the Titanic, Enslow, 1999 ------------------------------ From: Andrew Finkbeiner <ANDREW@rockford.lib.il.us> To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org> Subject: Re: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:21:57 CST Shannon (and all): I often ignore stumpers unless I know the answer, or know how to accomplish the answer, right off the bat. Every once in a while, I'll dive into a "thanks" message to see what the answer was. To me, it's like skipping the bowling scores in the newspaper. My impression, however, is that many PUBYACkers enjoy the stumper fellowship. True, our guidelines should be followed. I would be in favor of your suggestion of not recognizing a stumper unless the person cites sources already tried (unless it's the kind of stumper where no published source could possibly work--we've all had those, you know!). I wish the people who ask the stumper would always let the list know how it was resolved and put the TOPIC in the subject line. Furthermore, since we are all committed to be life-long learners, I wish the people who ask the stumper would post the thank you CITING THE SOURCE THE ANSWER WAS FOUND IN, OR DESCRIBING HOW THE ANSWER WAS FOUND!!! I want to pick up as many tricks of the trade as I can! As for bibliographies, I find them TREMENDOUSLY useful! Sure, there are books published covering the topics, but how current are they? Or how accessible? I think this is one of the great strengths of the list--that individuals are willing to compile a bib based on others' responses. I appreciate this work very much, and thank all of you who have taken the time and effort to respond to and compile bibliographies for the list!!! Thank you, Shannon, for all of your work as moderator! PUBYAC is a great thing! Andrew Finkbeiner Rockford (IL) Public Library andrew@rockford.lib.il.us Visit our website at http://www.rpl.rockford.org ------------------------------ From: "Karen Sonderman" <sonderka@oplin.lib.oh.us> To: "PUBYAC" <pubyac@prairienet.org> Subject: tin cans Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:25:40 CST Hello all! This is a rather strange query...Does anyone know of any = canned food product that comes in a smooth sided can? We are making = those punched tin can candleholders with our Kreative Kids group and can = only find cans with the ribs down the sides. These will work, but it is = more difficult to work on the uneven surface. Or does anyone kow where = smooth sided cans can be purchased? We tried this with sheets of tin, = but it is easier to work with the ice filled cans,even ribbed ones. Any = help would be appreciated. Email me privately. Thanks! Karen Sonderman Taylor Library Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio=20 sonderka@oplin.lib.oh.us ------------------------------ From: ThrasherS@jcl.lib.ks.us To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Stumpers and Bibs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:29:57 CST Dear Pubyaccers, I have been on PUBYAC for over four years. In that time, I will admit, I've posted a couple of stumpers and a couple of requests. Perhaps some were for bibs, or ended up being bibs -- I don't know. Recently, I asked for some additional ideas to a program I was having in December. I received some great responses from various PUBYACCERS, and as a result, my program was a success. Responses included fingerplays, songs, craft ideas, and some books. Previous to posting to PUBYAC (notice the funky alliteration there), I researched my program, and found some ideas I could use. But I posted to PUBYAC in hopes of gaining new ideas or insight -- and did indeed gain several new fingerplays, stories and crafts that I used and can share with other librarians in my system. But I guess now I'm confused. What is the function of PUBYAC? What kinds of librarian discussion are appropriate for PUBYAC? Was my above request "out of line?" I love the bibliographies that PUBYAC provides, and would hate to see that function disappear. In my opinion, even the best print resources can not replace actual humans who have read, reviewed and enjoyed the books and are willing to take the time to suggest them. You also ideally get current books that aren't listed in print resources. I share these bibliographies with everyone in my system. Often, a simple bibliography like "penguins" will push a button in my mind, and a ideas on how to use that bib will blossom. As for stumpers, if I don't know the answer, I usually just ignore them. I wonder if this is a digest vs. non-digest issue. I receive PUBYAC in a digest form, and I'm easily able to ascertain which topics interest me, which stumpers I can answer (admittedly very few), which bibliographies I can use, and so on. I can see that having a non-digest form of PUBYAC would mean getting a lot of email every day, and that most of that email being stumpers would become extremely annoying. As a side note, I've tried to use the archives in looking for stuff without much luck. My personal opinion is the old maxim "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." I would hate to see this listserv become merely a forum for discussion about internet use policy or filtering in the youth services area. I enjoy and use the ideas that flow from PUBYAC, and would hate to see those ideas dry up -- particularly from people afraid to post for fear they are coloring out of the lines. I would also like to commend and applaud Shannon for a job well done. The switchover, at least from my end, was flawless. I think I can speak for everyone when I laud and admire her dedication! Thanks! Shawn Thrasher Johnson County Library Johnson County, KS thrashers@jcl.lib.ks.us ------------------------------ From: "Kozloff, Rae" <raek@cityofanacortes.org> To: "'PUBYAC@prairienet.org'" <PUBYAC@prairienet.org> Subject: Organizational charts needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:33:44 CST I tried posting just after the pubyac changeover, so I think it got lost. I realize this question only deals indirectly with children's services, but I'm posting it because you're all such a great resource. (We also posted it on publib but with little response.) We would appreciate receiving staff organizational charts from independent public libraries (not part of a system) with 20-30 full- and part-time staff members. It would be helpful if full- and part-time positions are indicated, as well as those which require a MLS. Who is responsible for personnel- related matters (training, conflicts, hiring)? We are particularly interested in whether you have "teams" or "split positions" (e.g., half public services/half technical services with 2 supervisors and how you work this out). Also, we would like to know who is responsible for collection development, (particularly selection),i.e., whether it is left up to 2 or 3 individuals, or whether it is spread out amongst numerous staff members according to interest/expertise (and does this include technical services staff and public services staff, not just MLS or reference desk staff?) Basically, we're looking for new ways of doing things, and maybe some of you out there have a system that really works for you! Please fax your charts to me at 360/293-1929. Thanks so much, Rae Kozloff Anacortes Public Library ------------------------------ From: "Jennifer Needham" <jneedham@haddampl.libct.org> To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org Subject: Music Collection advice needed! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:36:55 CST Hi, all! I've recently subscribed to this list, and I think it is a great resource! Since you all seem to have such great ideas and advice, I have a question/dilemma for you. I am the Youth Services Coordinator of a small public library with an equally small, but growing, music collection. We have received several requests from teenagers for albums by Korn and Limp Biskit (I may have spelled these incorrectly!), albums which, if I am not mistaken, have a parents' advisory warning on them. Because our collection is small, we are trying to build it up with quality items. But we also need to serve our patrons' needs and try to fulfill their requests. Should we ignore these requsts in favor of less controversial/objectionable material, or should we go ahead and add these very popular albums to our collection? Does anyone out there have any advice, experience regarding this type of problem? ANY advice/ discussion would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much! Jennifer Needham Youth Services Coordinator Brainerd Memorial Library Haddam, CT ------------------------------ From: Krystal Brown <kbrown_ames@yahoo.com> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:40:42 CST Hi- I just wanted to add my opinion to this discussion. I don't mind the Stumpers when people put "STUMPER" in the subject line. If I know it's a stumper, I have the option of skipping it if I'm short on time and then going back to it later. However, I DO think that people shold write which sources they've checked. As for the Bibs, I like them. I think that they are VERY helpful and that they're an excellent way to share ideas about a specific topic. Again, I think that "BIB:TOPIC" should be written in the subject line. I've also heard many complaints from people about those who ask for information to be re-posted. I think the complainers should understand that while the archives are unaccessable, information is going to get re-posted (especially for those people who have just recently joined the list serve). My "vote" is to keep the Bibs and the Stumpers, just as long as they are labeled properly.
===== Krystal Brown Children's Librarian Ames Free Library Easton, MA (508)238-2000 kbrown_ames@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "<Lesley Knieriem>" <lknierie@suffolk.lib.ny.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re:MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs /response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:44:17 CST On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 hedy_harrison@ci.cerritos.ca.us wrote: > Also, we could all use a lesson or two in > transporting voluminous information, such as bibliographies, by e-mail > attachment. Well, many of us use an e-mail program that can't open attachments. We miss all the fancy formatting, true, but then, we don't get any viruses, either.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Lesley Knieriem ~ ~ YA / Reference Librarian (631) 549-4411 ~ ~ South Huntington Public Library fax (631) 549-6832 ~ ~ Huntington Station, NY 11746 lknierie@suffolk.lib.ny.us ~ ~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ~ ~ "*Gasp! We can't GET Snickerdoodles in Hell!" ~ ~ -- from CASTLE WAITING by Linda Medley ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: "Elizabeth Buono" <ebuono73@hotmail.com> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Lapsit Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:31:27 CST We call our pre-walking babies' story time "Baby Time," our story time for walking babies under 24 months, "Mother Goose," and our two-year-old story time, "Two's Company." All of these programs more or less follow the format you described for your 18-30 month old program.
Elizabeth Buono Children's Librarian The Ferguson Library 1 Public Library Plaza Stamford, CT 06904 <ebuono73@hotmail.com> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: mellifur@tiac.net To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org Subject: Re: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:03:28 CST >And those people who ask the same question that's been asked and >answered six times in the past year.....grrrr! - jeri > I've had the same reaction on more than one occasion! Unfortunately, since we don't have access to the archives at the moment, sometimes asking that question again is the only option. Several people have mentioned that they've tried to check the archive before asking again, so we have to give them credit for trying. (This is not meant to criticize our moderators, who are certainly doing everything they can to make this a great resource. And I know they're working on the archives issue.) On the other hand, if I think there's even a slight possibility that I'm going to want information that's on the list, I save it or refrain from deleting it for a while. This means I don't have to ask for Harry Potter information to be resent, now that I've been told we're going to do some in February. I like the Stumpers and have found several of the Bibs helpful, even when I wasn't expecting to need the latter. (I should also say that I've asked Stumpers and apologize retrospectively for those times when I didn't cite sources checked.) I think the Stumpers are an extremely valuable resource and shouldn't be considered less important than discussions of chat room policies, filtering issues, and the like. Miriam Neiman
M. Neiman mellifur@tiac.net Welles-Turner Memorial Library Glastonbury, CT http://www.wtmlib.com The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of my organization. ------------------------------ From: Paulalef@aol.com To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: chat room use MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:27:16 CST We allow e-mail but not chat room. A major reason is that we are a busy library with too few terminals for the patrons we serve. Chat rooms take a lot of time and their use can mean that others with equally pressing needs don't get to use the computers. We try to limit time on computers when others are waiting, but it doesn't always work out. I can't deny that people still use chat rooms, however illicitly, but forbidding them has made it a little easier for others, particular shy people who don't want to assert their rights, to get access to the computers. We've had a good bit of discussion in managers' meetings about the issue you raise - both sides. It's a thorny one. But we also have to consider that chat rooms and e-mail take a lot of time and tie up computers. In our area a lot of libraries limit to 1/2 hour per session, maximum 1 hour per day of total use or the like. We limit computers in the children's room to 15 minutes when others are waiting and the reference department limits to 1/2 hour when others are waiting, no limit when others are not waiting. We have to disable internet on several terminals during busy times because the same terminals are also OPACS and patrons need access there too. In a perfect world we and everyone else would have enough terminals so that everyone could spend as much time doing whatever he/she wished, but for us it's not happening any more than owning multiple copies of reference books for circulation is happening. We just have to do the best we can. Hope this helps. Sorry it got so long! Paula Lefkowitz Head, Children's Services Parsippany (NJ) PL paulalef@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "A. Creech" <alisonc@is2.dal.ca> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: stumpers and bibs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:03:00 CST I just wanted to say that I love stumpers. I can see how they could annoy folks, but I just love them! I love trying to figure out if I know what the individual wants, I love trying some sources that they haven't come up with. But I really love it when I read the stumper and think "hey, I read that, it's .....", and I can send my answer along to the asker. I really hate it when someone asks a stumper, and then they don't post the answer to the list! About bibs though. When folks suggest a title for a bib, I really appreciate it when they write a line or two about the title, rather than just give the title. I have found a lot of good reads through the suggestions people make for bibs, when they give a little blurb about the book. Although I'm working in adult service right now, I am going to be prepared for a youth services job when I can get one, in part due to this list. At least, I will certainly know the literature. And I have a store of wonderful program ideas as well, many of which came from reading program descriptions posted on this list. So, please don't stop posting stumpers. But do tell us where you've checked already. Alison ******************************************************************************* Alison Creech Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada ak454@chebucto.ns.ca ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ From: "Brenda S. Evans" <chroom@seidata.com> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:51:06 CST I completely agree. I have compiled an organized notebook of the bibliographies I have received from Pubyac and my patrons find it extremely useful. I feel that this is an excellent reference tool. Although it is nice to discuss policies, most of us are involved with handling reference questions and trying to compile lists for our libraries. Brenda Evans Madison-Jefferson County Public Library Madison, Indiana 47250 Krystal Brown wrote: > Hi- > I just wanted to add my opinion to this discussion. > I don't mind the Stumpers when people put "STUMPER" in > the subject line. If I know it's a stumper, I have > the option of skipping it if I'm short on time and > then going back to it later. However, I DO think that > people shold write which sources they've checked. > As for the Bibs, I like them. I think that they are > VERY helpful and that they're an excellent way to > share ideas about a specific topic. Again, I think > that "BIB:TOPIC" should be written in the subject > line. > I've also heard many complaints from people about > those who ask for information to be re-posted. I > think the complainers should understand that while the > archives are unaccessable, information is going to get > re-posted (especially for those people who have just > recently joined the list serve). > My "vote" is to keep the Bibs and the Stumpers, > just as long as they are labeled properly. > > ===== > Krystal Brown > Children's Librarian > Ames Free Library > Easton, MA > (508)238-2000 > kbrown_ames@yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Jane Casto <jcasto@clsn1269.cumberland.lib.nc.us> To: Simpson <jsimpson03@snet.net> Subject: Re: Internet and Word Processing Trainingfor students MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:19:17 CST Yes, that is an experience that many of us share. What I do is show some very basic commands...margins, how to access the a drive/how to save/ show spell check...in general point out the tool bar to customers. For more complicated questions, I will get a manual and locate a relevant portion for the customer. We do not have the staff to support extensive teaching of wordprocessing skills. With 19 public computers and sign up handled by the reference staff, along with all other reference duties, it is important to set priorities and a standard of service (or level of service) that is agreed upon by all staff members. I do believe that a library system has the obligation to both: 1. set the standard level of service that can be realistically offered at a service point on something as complicated as wrodprocessing 2. provide the training for all staff so that all can comfortably provide the help This same type of situation happens when people want help with specific software applications that they use at home...will come in with questions that are specific to their internet provider or E-mail program that we may not be able to answer because we aren't familiar with what the customer is using at home. __________________________________________________________________________ | Jane Casto | | Librarian II | | | | Mail: Cumberland County Public Library & Information Center | | Cliffdale Branch Library | | 6882 Cliffdale Road | | Fayetteville, North Carolina 28314-1975 | | | | E-Mail: jcasto@cumberland.lib.nc.us | | http://www.cumberland.lib.nc.us | | | | Phone: (910) 864-2600 | | Fax: (910) 487-9090 | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Clarence B Hanson Library <hanson@dbtech.net> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: STUMPER children's lit horses/hunting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:56:49 CST Hey, I would really appreciate your help with this tough "stumper". I'm looking for a childrens book, I don't have the title or author. The book is about a girl named Frances who runs away from her mean Grandmother, buys a Scottie dog, cuts off her hair and calling herself "Frankie" goes to work for a foxhunting barn. The barn is run by a woman and her aunt. The woman marries her boyfriend and adopts Frances-happy ending. It has lots of foxhunting and horseback riding sequences. I've looked in several magazines that deal in sporting books and in local libraries but no one seems to know of this book. I'm probably searching incorrectly. A children's librarian told me to try Pubyac so here I am. Thank ya'll very much for trying to help with this-I know it's practically impossible. Sincerely, Andrea Garrett, Asst Librarian, Hanson Library, Birmingham Museum of Art. Email- hanson@dbtech.net ------------------------------ From: SKS6HPS7@aol.com To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: e-mail, once more MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:28:45 CST
I feel I need to add my 2 cents worth on this topic. At our small public library, we do allow e-mail [ we discourage the use of chat-rooms, as much as possible...although they are not banned ]. Last year, we had two young men, foreign exchange students, who came daily to the library to check their e-mail. I thought it was a great method for them to "talk to their friends". Personally, when my son was in Florida for a summer, he could and did make use of the public library internet stations to get and send e-mail. I am sure it helped out a lot on the long distance bills. We do get some patrons who come in frequently only to use the internet for e-mail, however, most of our patrons who use e-mail also use our other materials. I feel that if they follow our Acceptable Use Policy, which they must sign to use the internet, and do not over-run their time allotment (and get off cheerfully--or at least don't verbally abuse the staff member who asks them to close out), that e-mail is not really a problem. ------------------------------ From: "Cathy S. Lichtman" <cathyl@tln.lib.mi.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re:MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs /response Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:34:00 CST I have the same problem so I have a hotmail address that I forward these e-mail messages to. Then I have easy access to attachments. And you can use it for personal mail to keep them separate. Or you can use Netscape mail to read your mail. Cathy Lichtman Orion Township Public Library Lake Orion, MI ******* On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Merideth Jenson-Benjamin wrote: > Just to interject, I find it difficult to open attachments with the e-mail > program used by library system. Therefore when bibliographies and other > information is sent by attachment I often can't read them. ------------------------------ From: "Group_Acct PAS ; pgroup" <pplypd@hpl.lib.tx.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: chat room use MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:37:11 CST
Dear Dawn, In reference to your question about why some libraries disallow chat rooms, and your own acknowledgement that you are a neophyte librarian, and a teacher of some experience, allow me to offer an opinion as a veteran children's librarian. I do agree with you that there are some very worthy chat rooms such as the annorexia site you mentioned. The question is one of allocation of resources, it is the same problem as collection development choices are limited by budget, electronic rescources are limited by an invisible budget with the commodities of time and access. My library serves surrounding zipcodes where 99% of the children qualify for free lunch, hence a low socio-economic demographic which is not likely to have computers in the home. Just as I make a value judgement about dividing my budget to buy "Enchantment of the World Books" as well as Goosebumps, I must make a judgement about how to best allocate the computer time available with three internet terminals to serve thousands of children. Chat rooms cost too much time and access, and 99% of the time, the time that was spent on them when we had them was used for purposes that fostered everything I became a children's librarian to fight against in our society, namely exploitation of children. The medium of the information is so different with the inception of the internet, it will take time to adjust. Kirsten Johnson, MLS Pasadena Public Library Pasadena, Texas ------------------------------ From: "Melissa Gross" <mgross@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Announcement Online Scholar Challenge Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:40:24 CST I'm hoping that some of you can pass this word along to students who might be interested in participating. Thanks in advance, Melissa Gross
It's time for the third annual Florida State University Online Scholar Challenge, an online information scavenger hunt for high school juniors and seniors nationwide who are good at surfing the net. Top prizes are full-tuition, four-year scholarships to Florida State University. The competition pits teams of high school students against one another in finding answers to tough questions by using a new information service, LEXIS-NEXIS Scholastic Universe, which is targeted to the information needs of high school students. So that students may prepare for the competition, free trial subscriptions to Scholastic Universe are available to all high schools with Challenge registrants. Qualifying rounds of the competition will be held entirely online. The top five teams (teams may have one or two students) and their chaperones will travel, all expenses paid, to Tallahassee for the finals April 7, 2000. Registration is open now. Registration and additional information can be accessed through clicking on the Online Scholar Challenge icon at http://www.fsu.edu. Registration is limited to the first 2500 teams to register, and officially closes January 21, 2000. Last year's winner was Walter Mundt, a junior from Deland, Florida.Other finalists came from Overland Park, Kansas; Livingston, New Jersey; Columbus, Georgia; and Lake City, Florida. For more information, e-mail oschallenge@garnet.acns.fsu.edu ------------------------------ From: "Swarthmore Public Library" <swcsd@delco.lib.pa.us> To: <pubyac@prairienet.org> Subject: PubyacPurpose Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:43:26 CST First - Thank you Shannon for this listserv. I've only had access to a = computer for a few months and it has really changed my job. I = personally enjoy the Stumpers and especially the Bibs. Sometimes we = just get stale using our own resources for ideas and it is very = refreshing to have input from a lot of other people. I keep the = storyhour ideas to supplement my programs and look forward to new ones. = Please don't censor our listserv! Thanks again. Sharon. ------------------------------ From: Maggi Rohde <maggi@intranet.org> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:46:11 CST
On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Krystal Brown wrote: > I've also heard many complaints from people about those who ask for > information to be re-posted. I think the complainers should > understand that while the archives are unaccessable, information is > going to get re-posted (especially for those people who have just > recently joined the list serve). When will the PUBYAC archives be available and searchable again? Who is the webmaster for PUBYAC? (Just curious.) I don't mind hitting delete when I see a message I don't need. The bibs are very nice, as are the discussions that lead up to the compilation of bibs. -Maggi, MLS Candidate, U-M ------------------------------ From: "Group_Acct PAS ; pgroup" <pplypd@hpl.lib.tx.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: RE: Author's Birthdays MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:49:01 CST I believe if you refer to Charlotte Huck's book, Children's Literature in the Elementary School, you will find the following passage on pgs. 124-25 "In the twentieth century "fiction factories" were developed by Edward Stratemeyer who manufacutred the plots for litterally hundreds fo books, including, The Rover Boys (1899-1926), the Bobbsey Twins (1904-), and The Hardy Boys (1927-), to name just a few. Using a variety of pseudonmyms, Stratemeyer would give hack writers a three-page outline of characters and plot to complete. When he died in 1930, a millionaire, he had himself written of conceived for others to write more than 1300 fifty-cent juveniles. His daughter, Harriet Stratemeyer Adams, continued his work, writing nearly 200 childrens books, including the well-known Nancy Drew series (1930-), until her death at 89 in 1982." Harriet Stratemeyer Adams is different from her father in that she wrote all the Nancy Drew books herself. There is an article from Weekly Reader that was reprinted in the mystery companion book, Murdress Inc., by Dillys Winn, that has two young girls interviewing her toward the end of her career. I personally believe that Nancy Drew, while not being great literature, can serve as a genre "hook" that will lure children into reading, such as Goosebumps or Babysitter's Club does today. Most of the requests I have for Nancy Drew come from grandmothers in my public library, although these Stratemeyer series books are growing in popularity with home schoolers. It is important to check more than one source in a reference interview for a patron if at all possible, and I am disturbed to see the truth of Harriet Stratemeyer Adams, who broke several barriers for young girls by showing Nancy Drew in a strong role as a woman, and for women in publishing herself in the 1930s by creating such a successful character addressed with inaccuracy in the posting from Ms. Van De Carr. On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 jvandcar@park-ridge.lib.il.us wrote: > According to Something About The Author vol. 100, Franklin W. Dixon and > Carolyn Keene are both collective pseudonyms created by Edward Stratemeyer. > Unlike other series that were created by an individual and later written by > numerous authors, these two never actually existed. > > Do you have access to "Something About the Author" published by Gale? They > list Demi's birthday as September 2, 1942 but Shel Silverstein just says > 1932. I didn't look up all of the others but if the set includes them, you > may find what you need in there. > > Janet Van De Carr > Park Ridge Public Library > Park Ridge, IL > > ------------------------------ From: Smith <lsmith@suffolk.lib.ny.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: chat room use MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:53:04 CST Thank you Dawn Sardes for your thoughtful and non-judgemental message about chat-room and e-mail use. In my library we limit the time a patron may sign up for an Internet computer (1 hour in Adult, 1/2 hour in Children's) and I have always felt that it was not appropriate for us to make value judgements on how the time is being used by the patron. Unfortunately, patrons are being denied access to the valuable resources you describe because some of them are loud and disruptive when using chat rooms. I would prefer that the behavior be addressed rather than a blanket prohibition to a certain service. Lisa Smith Lindenhurst, NY lsmith@suffolk.lib.ny.us ------------------------------ From: ILefkowitz@aol.com To: jsimpson03@snet.net, pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Internet and Word Processing Trainingfor students MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:58:49 CST Funny that you should wonder about WP training for teens. Our library was just awarded a grant to set up a homework center and a teen computing center. the computing center would offer classes to teens on word processing, spreadsheets, desktop publishing and other applications that they are likely to need and/or want. We would also offer specialized internet classes. These classes would focus on searching and getting information for certain assignments like Black history or other recurring assignments. Hope that helps! Ilene Lefkowitz Youth Services Librarian Mount Olive Public Library ILefkowitz@aol.com ------------------------------ From: MC <mrc42@yahoo.com> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: reproducible pages for parents MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:01:35 CST Time flys, and I finally got around to responding to your query. We create our own pages for parents - three or four rhymes/songs on one side of the page, plus an appropriate clip art picture and the logo on the other. These really look nice, and with the book 1001 rhymes and fingerplays, I usually accomplish this in about 30 minutes. I'm brand new to this (1 month in!), and this has been an excellent time saving source. Good luck! Mary Christian Children's Librarian Delaware County District Library Delaware Oh
===== seeking wisdom - one e-mail at a time! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Elaine Loehmann <eloehmann@millbury.k12.ma.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Accelerated reader Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:04:54 CST Hi, I work at a public library in a town where the upper elementary school has bought into Accelerated Reader. I gather it's fairly expensive and I fear that having purchased it the school plans to use it for a good long while. The list IS quite extensive (over 1,000 titles) and explaining to parents why the public library doesn't have every book can be problem. The most frustrating thing is the lack of current titles. Does anyone know if and when they update these lists? Elaine Loehmann - ********************* Elaine Loehmann Assistant Director Millbury Public Library "and so it goes..." 128 Elm St. Slaughterhouse-Five Millbury, MA 01527 Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. (508) 865-1181 (508) 865-0795 (FAX) email eloehmann@millbury.k12.ma.us ------------------------------ From: Jean Hewlett <nbclsref@sonic.net> To: mjenson-@lib.az.us, pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Attachments MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:09:23 CST > Merideth Jenson-Benjamin wrote: > Just to interject, I find it difficult to open attachments with the e-mail > program used by library system. Therefore when bibliographies and other > information is sent by attachment I often can't read them. Attachments are problematic in several ways. First, and perhaps most important, there are now a number of nasty viruses that travel around on them. For this reason, I rarely open any attachments posted to mailing lists. Also, they can usually be opened successfully only by persons who use the same computer platform and word processor as the sender. This means that any list members who use Claris Works on a Mac will not be able to open an attachment created in Microsoft Word on a pc, for example. Some of the other lists I subscribe to strongly discourage the use of attachments in messages to the list. Jean Hewlett North Bay Cooperative Library System, Santa Rosa CA nbclsref@sonic.net All opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employers. ------------------------------ From: "Diane Adams" <diane@monmouth.chemek.cc.or.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: chat room use Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:41:48 CST I have felt the need to contribute to the discussion about e-mail and chat rooms. I believe it is up to each library to determine what will work best for them. But I did feel the need to comment on the fact that not all chat rooms are sleezy. Our library allows email, but not chat rooms. After the third fist fight between teens on different terminals but in the same chat room, slamming each other, our library decided that it would be better to not allow chat rooms; rather than ban those who fought in the library over chat room messages from either the Internet or the library. Yes, we have made occasional exceptions, but on a case by case basis with those who have talked with us about it. So we didn't ban chat rooms because we didn't want to have to deal with sleeze. We didn't want to have to continue to break up fights. None of us felt like that should be a regular part of our job description. Diane
Diane Adams Youth Services Librarian Monmouth Public Library (503) 838-1932 P.O. Box 10 fax: (503) 838-3899 168 Ecols St. S. diane@monmouth.chemek.cc.or.us Monmouth, OR 97361 ------------------------------ From: annelmay@mailserver.franklintwp.org To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: MODERATOR ASKS: Stumpers and Bibs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:45:42 CST Andrew Finkbeiner >Rockford (IL) Public Library wrote: "As for bibliographies, I find them TREMENDOUSLY useful! Sure, there are books published covering the topics, but how current are they? Or how accessible? I think this is one of the great strengths of the list--that individuals are willing to compile a bib based on others' responses. I appreciate this work very much, and thank all of you who have taken the time and effort to respond to and compile bibliographies for the list!!!" Here, here! I totally agree! And I'm one of those people who copy just about all of the bibliographies into my word processor for future reference, so if you missed one feel free to email me directly. I'd be happy to send it if I have it. The bibliographies and the program ideas are my top reasons for spending so much time with this email. It's definitely worthwhile! The administrative and policy issues are useful, and I save those documents as well. The discussions I have little time for, so I skim them if the topic interests me, otherwise I just delete them. Stumpers are fun when I have time to look - as long as "stumper" is in the subject line, I can delete if I'm busy. Keep those bibs coming! I'm happy to help when I can. And please, can everyone put their state along with their library name? It's fascinating to see how far we reach. Anne Lemay Franklin Township Library Somerset, NJ annelmay@franklintwp.org ------------------------------ From: Andrea Johnson <ajohnson@cooklib.org> To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org> Subject: RE: chat room use MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:48:50 CST
I agree with Dawn. If you claim that by denying access to chat rooms, you are reserving computers for those with "serious research needs," does that mean that you kick patrons off of ordinary web sites if they're looking up, say, WWF wrestling, or Christmas cookie recipes, or eBay? It's just not true to say that all chat rooms are illegitimate and/or all non-chat sites are for "serious research." Andrea Johnson ajohnson@cooklib.org Children's Librarian * Cook Memorial Library * Libertyville, IL > -----Original Message----- > From: Dawn Sardes [SMTP:dsardes@clsn1269.cumberland.lib.nc.us] > Why are those systems which are not allowing chat room & e-mail on public > terminals doing so? Chat rooms are not all sleazy pick-up joints. There > are professional ones, support group ones that are moderated (much like > this listserv). Someone could be using a public terminal to contact ones > spouse who is serving our country overseas. I guess I just don't > understand why such arbitrary value judgements are being made in such a > blanket fashion. A very close family member pays to have access to a > moderated chat support group to help her with her battle with anorexia. > It is moderated by a mental health professional. > [snip] > IMHO, we should not be in the business of denying access to various > informational media based on value judgements we make. Also, it seems a > bit hypocritical to deny our patrons access to the same technology that we > are obviously utilizing so fully. > ------------------------------ From: Linda Madlung <lmadlung@csd.uwm.edu> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: packaged reading lists MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:52:02 CST These lists are a budget problem for our library. We cannot support the number of copies needed for the demand for these items. An increasing number of titles on the list are out of print. All our schools are using the same program so we have probably 750 to 1,000 children chasing the books on this list. It is also frustrating for me that the families can not or will not accept a related substitute title by the same author. These lists narrow choices for readers. Many WILL NOT read anything unless it is on the "LIST". It seems to me that this kills the serendipitous adventure of the library for children. Do they ever view reading as a joy or does it become another task of homework? Our brand new starred reviewed books sit on our shelves because they are not on a "LIST". Booktalking informally has changed because of those lists. In the past, I prepared for "Booktalking Junkets" to the schools by ordering multiple copies of the books I dramatize. The demand even for this has diminished. (I will concede in advance that perhaps after 25 years I've lost my touch on this.) The Accelerated reader list also trains the children to read fiction looking for specific answers to questions on the computer program. Does this discourage imagination and getting caught up in the story? Sometimes what looks like a good idea in the beginning, turns out to be a nightmare in practice. Just some personal opinions of my own. Sorry to rant. Linda Madlung, Head of Children's Services, North Shore Library, Glendale, WI ------------------------------ From: Jeff Dwyer <looseleaf@mindspring.com> To: alsc-l@alal.ala.org, ya-urban <ya-urban@ala.org>, CHILD_LIT@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU, PUBYAC@prairienet.org Subject: Public radio show about children's books - themes & broadcast times MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:55:05 CST I’d like to thank all who have responded to my recent posting asking for comments and suggestions about the Loose Leaf Book Company, a new one hour public radio show about children’s books. It will begin broadcasting weekly across the country during the week of December 27 ? January 2, 2000. Below is a current listing of the nineteen (19) public radio stations which are scheduled to broadcast the show and when each station has programmed the show into their schedules. As we draw closer to our launch date, we expect that additional stations will be added to the list. Our original goal was to have twenty (20) affiliate stations at launch date, and it looks like we’ll reach or exceed that goal. Each week a theme for the show will be selected, and then we’ll examine that theme through the lens of children’s books. Shows #7 thru #12 are still open for book suggestions.
Episodes already in Production & Closed Episodes Still Accepting Book Ideas 1 Time 12/27 thru 1/2 7 Romance 2/7 thru 2/13 2 Music 1/3 thru 1/9 8 Leadership 2/14 thru 2/20 3 Prejudice 1/10 thru 1/16 9 Trouble 2/21 thru 2/27 4 Winter 1/17 thru 1/23 10 Lost Things 2/28 thru 3/5 5 Superstition 1/24 thru 1/30 11 Luck 3/6 thru 3/12 6 Courage 1/31 thru 2/6 12 Eating 3/16 thru 3/19 The themes for the next fifteen shows will be: Dreaming, Death, Flying, Technology Baseball, Fear, Losing Things, Body Parts Pets, The Birds & the Bees, Underwater, Fathers (wk #25) Vacations (wk#22), Humor (wk#14), Mothers (wk#20) The themes with week numbers after them are date specific and the others are not. When the non-specific date themes will be broadcast depends upon many production factors. One source of recommendations for book titles will be coming from a selection committee organized by The Children’s Book Council (CBC) in New York City. The CBC selection committee will serve as a primary "clearinghouse" for selecting books for the production staff at LLBC. These books are being submitted from the front and back lists of children’s book publishers. We hope that another source of recommendations for books will come from librarians, educators, and other interested parties. We hope that by reviewing the suggestions which we receive from the public we’ll be able to select titles which best illuminate the weekly themes and provide the basis for an entertaining and informative radio production. Although I am the host of Loose Leaf Book Company, you should address your recommendations to the producers of the show. Please e-mail your ideas to: jmitchell@looseleafbookcompany.com. Please include a daytime telephone number in case the staff needs to contact you. Thanks for your continued support. Sincerely, Tom Bodett tbodett@looseleafbookcompany.com
LOOSE LEAF BOOK COMPANY Affiliate Stations as of: 12/8/99 Market MARKET Station Broadcast Number Call Letters Time 1 New York City NY WBGO Thurs.-6:30PM 12 Atlanta, GA WUGA Sun. - 7:00 PM 37 Charlotte, NC WBPR Sun. - 7:00 PM 43 Memphis, TN WKNO TBA 52 Rochester, NY WEOS TBA 90 Wichita, Kansas KMUW TBA 111 Augusta, GA WUGA Sun. - 7:00 PM 148 Macon, GA WDCO Sun. - 7:00 PM 151 Utica-Rome, NY WEOS TBA 153 Savannah, GA WSVH Sun. - 7:00 PM 164 Columbus, GA WJWV Sun. - 7:00 PM 245 Albany, GA WUNV Sun. - 7:00 PM 666 Spartansburg, GA WNGU Sun. - 7:00 PM 666 Columbia,GA WACG Sun. - 7:00 PM 666 Tifton, GA WABR Sun. - 7:00 PM 666 Valdosta, GA WWET Sun. - 7:00 PM 666 Vidalia, GA WXVS Sun. - 7:00 PM 666 Murray, KY WKMS TBA 999 County, GA WWHO Sun. - 7:00 PM 999 Homer, AK TBA
------------------------------ From: Sarah Howard <showard@mail.coin.missouri.edu> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Stumper--Stags. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:28:56 CST
Patron looking for a book she believes from around 1975. In any library she has gone she has found it (except ours). It has a pastel blue cover with ghostly stags on the cover. A boy travels to England and sees people participating in the festival of the stags and they become "possessed" by the masks they are wearing. Any takers? Sarah Howard showard@mail.coin.missouri.edu ------------------------------ From: "T. Birkholz" <birkholz@nslsilus.ORG> To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org Subject: Stumper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:09:50 CST Does this sound familiar to anyone? We have checked the usual sources and checked with various staff members with no luck. A patron read this book to her daughter who is now 24. It is the story of some rabbits who paint Easter eggs with their grandfather and then they paint the sky pink. It is not THE EASTER EGG ARTISTS. You may e-mail me directly at birkholz@nslsilus.org Thanks for your help! Tina Birkholz Gail Borden Public Library Elgin, IL ------------------------------ From: mschafer@tln.lib.mi.us To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Index to Collective Biographies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:52:55 CST Just curious if anyone knows of a source similar to Bowker's "Index to Collective Biographies for Young Readers" that is current. Bowker published its 4th ed. in 1988 and apparently has no plans to publish a 5th ed. What (if anything) are others using? Thanks! ************************** Mindy Schafer mschafer@tln.lib.mi.us Assistant Dept. Head Youth Services Novi Public Library Novi, Michigan ************************* ------------------------------ From: Carrie Eldridge <celdridge@sanjuan.lib.wa.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Stumper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:01:51 CST A patron is looking for a story she heard twenty years ago on CBC about a group of WWII soldiers who were captured by Nazis and kept in terrible conditions and ended up eating each other. (I know this is not the season for this topic). One soldier survived to tell his story at a court martial. According the patron this is actually an uplifting story (not to me). I also realize this is an adult stumper. But I am hoping collective brains will remember. Patron has called the CBC and they couldn't help her. Sources checked: Bookfinder, BIP, catalog sources, WLN, Internet etc. Where else might I send this stumper? Carrie Eldridge San Juan Island Library District Friday Harbor, WA 98250 360-378-2798 360-378-2706 celdridge@sanjuan.lib.wa.us
"I eat words wherever I find them but am no wiser. Keep your books under lock and key or they'll be devoured by me!" what am I? -from "Riddle Road: puzzles in poems and pictures" illustrated by Erik Blegvad ------------------------------ From: Julie Linneman <juliel@wichita.lib.ks.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: RE: Gender Role titles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:09:33 CST We are having the exact same thing here!! Over the last couple of years, we continue to get requests from Children's Lit students for books showing "nontraditional gender roles." The question was referred to me by staff who were finding difficulty helping them. They eventually worked together to create a bibliography of their own, but I still have no firm conviction that we got at what they wanted. I know that sexism in children's books was a big issue in the late 60's and early 70's, and that we saw many corrections to that in the 80's and 90's (e.g., The Daddies Boat, Daddy Makes the Best Spaghetti). But I am curious if anyone knows what the current spin on this issue is. Isn't it a form of reverse stereotyping to assume that men/women are "supposed" to be in one place or another and then try to find books that show them doing something else? Maybe I've missed something.... But obviously, this is a Big Point to make in the realm of academic children's literature instruction. Does anyone know of articles about this issue that are fairly current and show the thinking on this? Or does anyone know a children's lit instructor who can shed light on this? Thanks for your help.
Julie Linneman juliel@wichita.lib.ks.us ------------------------------ From: "Jennifer Needham" <jneedham@haddampl.libct.org> To: "pubyac@prairienet.org" <pubyac@prairienet.org> Subject: Query re: Judith Viorst Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:17:55 CST Hi, all! A quick and desperate question for you all - does anyone know of a web site, catalog, etc., where one can purchase merchandise with characters/scenes from kid's books on it? I am looking for coffee mugs, t-shirts, whatever, with Judith Viorst's Alexander from her wonderful series of books with same character. Please help! Does this type of merchandise exist? I'd appreciate any feedback... Thanks! Jennifer Needham Brainerd Memorial Library Haddam, CT jneedham@haddampl.libct.org ------------------------------ From: "Rebecca Domonkos" <rebeccadomonkos@hotmail.com> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Music Collection advice needed! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:25:55 CST I try to order Teen CD's which are popular AND receive good reviews. I have Korn and Limp Bizkit in the collection, but I ignored requests for Kid Rock and Eminem because the critics panned their albums. I don't know if it's ethical or not, but sometimes I order the radio edit versions of CD's. Rebecca Domonkos Boca Raton Public Library rebeccadomonkos@hotmail.com
>From: "Jennifer Needham" <jneedham@haddampl.libct.org> >Reply-To: pubyac@prairienet.org >To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org >Subject: Music Collection advice needed! >Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:36:55 CST > >Hi, all! > >I've recently subscribed to this list, and I think it is a great >resource! Since you all seem to have such great ideas and advice, I >have a question/dilemma for you. I am the Youth Services Coordinator of >a small public library with an equally small, but growing, music >collection. We have received several requests from teenagers for albums >by Korn and Limp Biskit (I may have spelled these incorrectly!), albums >which, if I am not mistaken, have a parents' advisory warning on them. > >Because our collection is small, we are trying to build it up with >quality items. But we also need to serve our patrons' needs and try to >fulfill their requests. Should we ignore these requsts in favor of less >controversial/objectionable material, or should we go ahead and add >these very popular albums to our collection? Does anyone out there have >any advice, experience regarding this type of problem? ANY advice/ >discussion would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much! > >Jennifer Needham >Youth Services Coordinator >Brainerd Memorial Library >Haddam, CT > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Jamie Weaver <jweaver@dupagels.lib.il.us> To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org> Subject: RE: Music Collection policy needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:34:30 CST I also am in charge of our entire music collection and have been getting the same requests for Korn and Limp Biskit. I have looked at out collection policy and feel that it really needs to be updated. I would appreciate a copy of any AV policies that you could share with me. Please e-mail me direct or send me a copy via snail mail to Jamie Weaver Geneva Public Library 127 James Street 60134. Thanking you in advance. Jamie Lyn Weaver Geneva Public Library jweaver@dupagels.lib.il.us ------------------------------ From: Kelly Jennings <kjennin@tulsalibrary.org> To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org Subject: Job announcement Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:42:49 CST Want to start the millennium in a new location? We have an opening for a children's librarian! POSITION: Branch Children's Librarian LOCATION: Hardesty South Regional Library 6737 S. 85 E. Ave., Tulsa SALARY: Grade 12 $2210 - $2500 per month STATUS: 40 hours per week, Schedule includes one-two evenings per week and every third Saturday, and occasional Sundays 12:30-5 P.M. Sept.-April. JOB DESCRIPTION Implements innovative and experimental programming for children in addition to regular programs for children and adults. Provides assistance at public service desk in the location and use of library resources; responds to patrons' questions, conducting research and providing answers to reference questions. Serves as extension resource person for others responsible for children's programming. Develops and maintains story hour resources. Assists with the training of new employees in storytime procedures and techniques. Plans and implements the regional library's participation in system-wide special programs. Serves as permanent member of planning committee for summer reading program. Responsible for collection development for regional library's juvenile collection. Recommends new juvenile materials for system-wide purchase. Supervises regional building and staff in absence of Supervising Librarian. QUALIFICATIONS: Requires MLIS ,substantial progress toward MLIS, or equivalent degree in related field Knowledge of children's literature Good interpersonal skills, prior experience working with young children Proficiency in internet and database research, Windows Software AVAILABLE: December 15, 1999 Send resume to: (Mrs.) Gerry Hendon, Personnel Manager Tulsa City-County Library, 400 Civic Center, Tulsa, OK 74103 FAX : 918-596-2641 EMAIL : jobs@tulsalibrary.org Kelly Jennings Tulsa City-County Library 400 Civic Center Tulsa, OK 74103 918.596.7970 (office) 918.596.7913 (fax) kjennin@tulsalibrary.org (e-mail) <http://www.tulsalibrary.org> ------------------------------ From: "Mary Weiland" <mweiland@salpublib.org> To: <PUBYAC@prairienet.org> Subject: author references Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 01:36:56 CST Greetings! My name is Mary Riordan Weiland and I am the Children's = Program Specialist at the Salina Public Library in Salina KS. I am = wanting to hear from anyone who has had Margaret Peterson Haddix visit = their library. I am wanting to bring her in and wanted to know a little = about her presentation first hand. I would appreciate any information = anyone can give me! Thanks! Mary Riordan Weiland Children's Program Specialist Salina Public Library 301 W. Elm Salina, KS 67401 *****"Tragedy is when I cut my finger.=20 Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die."***** --Mel Brooks ------------------------------ From: DLHIETT <dlh@greennet.net> To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org> Subject: RE: Books by Decade Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 03:08:01 CST I would also love to have a list of books published in each decade of = this century. If anyone out there has one could you please e-mail to = the list or to me personally at dlh@greennet.net TIA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:44:44 -0700 (MST) From: PUBYAC <pyowner@pallasinc.com> To: PUBYAC <pubyac@prairienet.org> Subject: PUBYAC Trouble with servers Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.991210144246.22635M-100000@info.jefferson.lib.co.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear PUBYACkers, PUBYAC mail is coming very slowly because Prairienet is having trouble with the Listproc software, plus US West is making trouble for Pallasinc.com. So together, it's hard for me to diagnose problems. On top of that, I have to change my account for moderating and it looks different, so expect to see some strange things in the next week or so. Shannon VanHemert PUBYAC Moderator pyowner@pallasinc.com PUBYAC Web page: http://www.pallasinc.com/pubyac
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