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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org> To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:01:03 CST Subject: PUBYAC digest 25 PUBYAC Digest 25 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Limiting Books & Request for web sites by CCullum621@aol.com 2) Re: Readers advisor software by ssteed@parracity.nsw.gov.au 3) weeding by Kabil@aol.com 4) Book (Dust) Jackets by Denise Matulka <denisem@unllib.unl.edu> 5) Re: Blue Web'n by "Dana Lubow" <danalubow@hotmail.com> 6) Features of notable chil. dept. web sites by "Jerry Kuntz" <jkuntz@ansernet.rcls.org> 7) Source for YA paperbacks by Sandra.Cornett@mail.state.ky.us 8) Re: School Libraries by Bookabc@aol.com 9) Re: School libraries by "James B. Casey" <jimcasey@lib.oak-lawn.il.us> 10) Library Quidditch Rules by "Tracy VanderPol" <tvanderpol@hotmail.com> 11) Re: School Libraries by annelmay@mailserver.franklintwp.org 12) Re: Job Notices by "Mary J. Soucie" <mjsoucie@starbase1.htls.lib.il.us> 13) Harry Potter Ideas by Amy Blake <ablake@kcpls1.vinu.edu> 14) Snowglobe thanks and Bib by rebecca stutzman <rastutzman@yahoo.com> 15) Mag. request by "Sarah Smith" <sesmith5@hotmail.com> 16) Library Clip Art by "Joan Enriquez" <joane@ocln.org> 17) thank you: bookmaking program by Tracey Love <tcywork@yahoo.com> 18) job announcement by Joyce Wrage <jwrage@sdln.net> 19) Frances Henne/YALSA/VOYA Research Grant by "Sheila Anderson" <Sanderson@acpl.lib.in.us> 20) Stumper summer flowers vs. spring flowers by "Susan Price-Stephens" <susan.price-stephens@treasure.lpl.london.on.ca> 21) Re: Book (Dust) Jackets by "Kelly Poole" <kpoole@lex.lib.sc.us> 22) Re: Book (Dust) Jackets by "<Lesley Knieriem>" <lknierie@suffolk.lib.ny.us> 23) Re: Book (Dust) Jackets by Laura Smith <laurajhs@yahoo.com> 24) Re: weeding by "Cathy S. Lichtman" <cathyl@tln.lib.mi.us> 25) Reverse Censorship in Schools by Mark Gochnour <gochnm@mont.lib.md.us> 26) RE: weeding by "Webster, Lisa" <LisaW@ci.mount-vernon.wa.us> 27) pre-k "why" books by Vicky Jaksic <VKozich@ci.irving.tx.us> 28) Re: publishers on Pubyac by Charles Schacht <schachtc@libcoop.net> 29) Re: weeding by RoseMary Honnold <honnolro@oplin.lib.oh.us> 30) Re: Book (Dust) Jackets by RoseMary Honnold <honnolro@oplin.lib.oh.us> 31) Re: Source for YA paperbacks by RoseMary Honnold <honnolro@oplin.lib.oh.us> 32) Re: weeding by Becky Smith <bsmith@utstcelbgw.state.lib.ut.us> 33) Re: weeding by Sandy Farmer <sfarmer@hpl.lib.tx.us> 34) Web search tutorials for grades 4-7 by "Jerry Kuntz" <jkuntz@ansernet.rcls.org> 35) dust jackets by KATHYB@anokas.anoka.lib.mn.us 36) Re: Book (Dust) Jackets by Carol Janoff <cjanoff@lib.ci.phoenix.az.us> 37) typing games by "Rodriguez, Marta" <M.3Rodriguez@BrooklynPublicLibrary.org> 38) pooh birthday party by "Tami Steinbauer" <steinbta@oplin.lib.oh.us> 39) Re: Book (Dust) Jackets by "REBECCA HIGGERSON" <RHIGGERSON@sacramento.lib.ca.us> 40) Family reading program by Pamela Stack <pstack@vlc.lib.mi.us> 41) Molly Bannaky by Todd A Grazier <tgrazier@gcfn.org> 42) Weeding question... by Nichole Welz <welzn@cadl.org> 43) preschool title on personal space by "Amy Howlett" <amy.howlett@dol.state.vt.us> 44) Formerly digested PUBYAC subscribers by PUBYAC <pyowner@pallasinc.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CCullum621@aol.com To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: RE: Limiting Books & Request for web sites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:21:43 CST Someone else gave me the same address and I had trouble getting into it until I discovered that she reversed "dept" and "library". Try: http://www.hipopl.org/dept/library/kids.htm Thanks again Carolyn ------------------------------ From: ssteed@parracity.nsw.gov.au To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Readers advisor software Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:36:36 CST Lee, I have heard about a CDROM called Book Wizard for use in the library which sounds like what you are looking for. In Australia can be obtained from Soft Link (phone 1800 777 037). I'm afraid I don't know whether they are in America or if you'd have to try someone else. Hope you find it. Sarah Steed Children's Librarian Parramatta City Library ssteed@parracity.nsw.gov.au >Does anyone have software which ask questions, then makes recommendations >for books that the child might like? I seem to remember something like Book >Whiz or Book Brain? which did that. I know, ideally, WE would be the ones >doing this, but we're not always available, and it sounded like a fun >option. I believe the types of questions asked were not "do you like >mysteries?" but fun, and it acted like a choose your own adventure book. Visit our Web Site : http://www.ParraCity.nsw.gov.au ------------------------------ From: Kabil@aol.com To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: weeding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:44:08 CST Our library recently became automated. The chidren's department is in desparate need of weeding--However, we have no statistical data--how many times a book went out, etc..We are depending mostly on copyright, but can anyone suggest any other guidelines in determining the withdrawal of a book. thanks. k.gaines ------------------------------ From: Denise Matulka <denisem@unllib.unl.edu> To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org Subject: Book (Dust) Jackets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:51:40 CST
My library system has, in the last three years, embraced a practice to take the book jackets off of the children's picture books during processing. I ABHOR this practice. I am told that it is staff intensive and since most picture books have "self jackets" underneath, it makes the book (dust) jackets unnecessary. Unfortunately, vital information about the title, author, and illustrator are also discarded along with the book jacket. What concerns me is that, while the jackets are marketing devices designed to sell books, they are also important to the patrons who do not possess the skills to evaluate a book professionally. Would anyone care to share their thoughts with me on this topic? I am interested in all opinions. _____________________________________________________________________________ Denise I. Matulka Nebraska Newspaper Project University of Nebraska Libraries 209N Love Library Lincoln, Nebraska 68588 PHONE: (402) 472-2517 EMAIL: denisem@unllib.unl.edu WEBSITE: http://www.geocities.com/dimatulka _____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Dana Lubow" <danalubow@hotmail.com> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Blue Web'n Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:59:33 CST
>In a similar vein as the Blue Web'n site, and more frequently checked for linkrot, is the Internet Public Library. Links have abstracts and a general age range. http://www.ipl.org/ There is a kids' section and a >teens' section as well as the regular adult collection. > > -Maggi Rohde, MSL Candidate, University of MIchigan > Another similar site is the Librarians' Index to the Internet:http://www.lii.org/. It too is checked for dead links and they also have a section for kids, homework, and over 1000 subject headings. Dana Lubow Valley College and an indexer for the Librarians's Index to the Internet ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jerry Kuntz" <jkuntz@ansernet.rcls.org> To: <PUBYAC@prairienet.org> Subject: Features of notable chil. dept. web sites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:06:52 CST Here's the URL for a handout we did last week of a whirlwind tour of interesting features of P.L. Children's Dept. web sites: http://www.rcls.org/features.html Jerry Kuntz Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org ------------------------------ From: Sandra.Cornett@mail.state.ky.us To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org Subject: Source for YA paperbacks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:14:07 CST I am in the process of attempting to revive my library's YA collection. Years ago the YA books were interfiled with adult fiction and no new titles have been added since. I want to start with filling two paperback spinners with YA books and then expand from there if there is an interest. My problem is finding the titles I have selected in mass market paperback format. The majority are only available in trade paperback or hardback, neither of which I want at this point. I know many teens prefer the mass market size so I was urprised that our normal book source (Ingram) has so few YA titles in this format. Is there another source out there or have I just picked titles that are too new to be in mass market format yet? Thank you... Sandy Cornett Head of Reference, etc, etc. Boyd County Public Library Ashland, KY sandra.cornett@mail.state.ky.us ------------------------------ From: Bookabc@aol.com To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: School Libraries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:21:18 CST AS A SCHOOL LIBRARIAN I BELIEVE THE THREE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS ARE: 1) A PROFESSIONAL LIBRARIAN WHO HAS BEEN TRAINED TO DELIVER THE SERVICES NEEDED TO PREPARE STUDENTS FOR THE 21ST CENTURY AS LIFE LONG LEARNERS. 2) A MINIMUM PER STUDENT BUDGET OF $20. WITHOUT THIS CONSISTENTLY BEING AVAILABLE OVER THE LONG TERM, THERE IS NO WAY TO CREATE AND MAINTAIN A MEANINGFUL COLLECTION. AS AN EXAMPLE. CCOUNTRY BOOKS FROM THE 1970'S ARE OF NO USE IN OUR EVER CHANGING WORLD. IN ADDITION COMPUTER PROGRAMS AND CD-ROMS ARE AN ESSENTIAL PART OF A SCHOOL LIBRARY PROGRAM. 3) A FLEXIBLE SCHEDULE. A LIBRARY SHOULD BE AVAILABLE TO INDIVIDUAL STUDENTS AND CLASSES ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT A CLASS CANNOT SCHEDULE LIBRARY TIME IF THEY ARE WORKING ON A PROJECT. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT STUDENTS VIEW THE LIBRARY AS A CONSTANT IN THEIR LIVES FOR BOTH RESEARCH AND READING PLEASURE. I HOPE THIS HELPS. DEBORAH ULLMAN SCHOOL LIBRARIAN ------------------------------ From: "James B. Casey" <jimcasey@lib.oak-lawn.il.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: School libraries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:29:10 CST Katherine Heylman's views about the importance of having a qualified school librarian on the staff of a school and to avoid replacing librarians with unqualified volunteer labor are right on target. Involving public librarians in discussions is also a good idea --- if the local public library has a librarian to spare. Some public libraries have multiple school districts in their service area and only one MLS librarian on staff to cover a 6 or 7 day work week. Time taken away to meet with the schools would be time taken away from other duties such as direct public service. Also there are some public libraries which are so poor and have such ridiculously bad funding that they are hardly able to keep the doors open. In the case of Corning, New York the public library actually closed down entirely for want of money. The local school district countered by opening to 8 PM on two evenings per week! That may be great, but it doesn't replace the 6 or 7 days per week of service and four evenings per week offered by most public libraries to all members of the community. Each public school district might also draw 15 or 20 times more local tax money than the local public library and pay salaries which are as much as double those for the equivalent positions in public libraries. School libraries (if they exist) often have very tiny materials budgets and practically no staff, but a relatively large salary for the school librarian. Public Libraries have to stretch their time, money and people much farther in order to serve all of the community and all of the various school districts. I would take Katherine's view one step farther and say that it is important for schools to have Librarians (plural) on staff. Academic institutions from community college to univerisity level have teams of librarians and provide comprehensive library service --- both during the time classes are in session and also on evening and weekend hours so that there is an opportunity for the student body to access the collections to undertake homework and research assignments. Having libraries which have hours coinciding with the hours of class and very little beyond, makes a school library into a "bibliographic classroom" with limited and only highly structured and regimented access opportunities. If a college or community college didn't offer comprehensive library service, it wouldn't be accredited. But k-12 schools can either emasculate or eliminate school libraries without one iota of penalty in terms of ability to meet standards. School Library service must become a regular part of the standards equation for public education. In most state education dept. standards, the word "Library" doesn't even occur. It isn't right that someone can get through 8th grade without ever having set foot in a library of any kind. Yet, there are dozens of schools in our area which have eliminated the school library entirely in order to afford space for classrooms. A place in the Standards mix for school libraries would then lead to mandated funding levels for school libraries. That is what is needed. Nobody should get out of highschool as an "information illiterate" but many do. You need x number of credits of math, science, english, history, gymnasium, etc., in order to graduate, but the Library component has not been considered to be essential. It must be, if school libraries are to survive into the 21st Century. James B. Casey --- Public Librarian and ALA Council Member. Katherine Heylman wrote: > In reply to Barbara Amberg's question about the 3 most important things > in a good school library, the answer to the first thing is easy. A > librarian. Once there is a librarian in place, she/he can advocate for > budget and program. The librarian and the collection are the basis for > everything else, and how administrators expect there to be a decent > collection without any money is a total mystery to me. > Barbara, my guess is that your committee will hear a lot about > using volunteers to run the library. Is here any other place in a school > system where volunteers are expected to assume the duties of a teacher, > or administrator, or pscyhologist, for instance? Volunteers are great > for taking care of some routine jobs like shelving books and checking > them in and out, but they cannot be expected to build the collection, > initiate and carry out programs, or give reader advice. As a former > school librarian, now retired, I have some very strong opinions about > what should happen in a school library (a lot!). > I think it's encouraging that the committee has asked the public > librarian to participate, but please keep hammering away at the need for > a school librarian. Good luck! Kay Heylman > kheylman@apk.net
------------------------------ From: "Tracy VanderPol" <tvanderpol@hotmail.com> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Library Quidditch Rules Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:36:50 CST Hello everyone! I have had a lot of requests for the rules I used for Library Quidditch so I will go out on a limb and post them. They were developed by the Youth Services Staff (Especially Mary Vanstone) of the Brighton District Library specifically for our party. It involves nothing elaborate, and can be played with a minimal amount of preparation. Disclaimer: These rules in no way qualify as official Library Quidditch rules. However, we used them and had a ball! We created two golden snitches by painting foam balls gold, and sticking feathers in them. The kids were required to balance the foam balls on spoons, and race the length of the room. If they dropped the snitch they had to return to start and begin again. To increase the difficulty factor and involve more kids, we lined the path with members of the opposing team. We gave them red balloons (Bluddgers) and let them try to knock the snitches off the seekers spoons. It was all pretty comical. Everyone had a chance to play seeker. This was our final version, we altered our original game plan a few times, but the final version worked like a charm. Have fun! Tracy L. VanderPol Youth Services Librarian West Bloomfield Twsp. Public Library ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: annelmay@mailserver.franklintwp.org To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: School Libraries Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:44:40 CST Our collective brain here has decided that these three things are most important, based on our experiences with school libraries and the internship one of us served at a school library during the MLS process. This is probably not as helpful as it is idealistic, but in this best of all possible school libraries, here is what we'd like to see: 1 The Librarian - a dynamic individual is needed who will network with faculty and students, enlightening them as to what a library is and can do for them, sharing materials that they didn't know about (and too often don't think to ask before assigning or tackling homework), providing a collection that supports the school curriculum and the faculty's interests/specialties, and firing up kids about books and information. 2 Accessibility - kids should be able to get into the library to use the collection before school, during lunch and/or study periods, and for a brief period after school (We know, this is nearly impossible with most school library scheduling, but it's our ideal). 3 Current information in the collection - encyclopedias that are up-to-date, books about countries and states that aren't more than ten years old, up-to-date atlases, a Reference collection that reflects the current curriculum needs (like multicultural holidays and native american tribes in our area) and a photocopier so the kids can take that information home (yes, we know, another impossibility - we're dreaming big). Have fun! We wish we were on that committee! Anne Lemay & Yvonne Ceaser Children's Services Anne Lemay Franklin Township Library Somerset NJ annelmay@franklintwp.org ------------------------------ From: "Mary J. Soucie" <mjsoucie@starbase1.htls.lib.il.us> To: pat cirone <pcirone@nh.ultranet.com> Subject: Re: Job Notices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:51:54 CST Dear Pubyackers, Hi! I agree with Pat's posting (and Lorie's) that a full description is worthwhile. I collected some of the job ads from PUBYAC and forwarded them to a library that's creating a YS position. I think complete is helpful. I also enjoy reading the ads even though I am currently not looking. mjs Mary J. Soucie Youth Services Consultant Heritage Trail Library System 815-729-3345 x110 mailto:mjsoucie@htls.lib.il.us On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, pat cirone wrote: > I agree with Lorie -- it's easy enough to skim over or delete a full job listing > if you're not interested, but it's nice to have the information for those who > like to keep abreast of what's happening around the country and for those > seeking jobs. My library used the information gleaned from a month's worth of > job listings on Pubyac a couple of years ago to present to the library board to > gain a salary increase for the children's librarian! > > Pat Cirone ------------------------------ From: Amy Blake <ablake@kcpls1.vinu.edu> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Harry Potter Ideas Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:59:40 CST Hello Pubyacs, I wondered if those of you who have already had your Harry Potter parties, would share your success's and what you would of done differently. I'm looking for a party format,on what worked best. Please e-mail me direct and THANK YOU in advance. Amy Blake Knox County Public Library ablake@kcpls1.vinu.edu ------------------------------ From: rebecca stutzman <rastutzman@yahoo.com> To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org Subject: Snowglobe thanks and Bib MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:07:10 CST A mighty big thanks goes out to Pubyackers who helped when I needed books with snowglobes. Some people asked that I post my answers to the list. I always appreciate the willingness of the people on this list to respond when I have a request. Here is the list: -Jolly Snow by Jane Hissey -"7 swans a swimming" page in the pop up 12 Days of Christmas by Sabuda is a snowglobe. -Heidi by Johanna Spyri
Thanks again! Becky rastutzman@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Sarah Smith" <sesmith5@hotmail.com> To: cjanoff@lib.ci.phoenix.az.us, pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Mag. request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:15:51 CST Thanks! It was, indeed, the right web site. (www.storytimes.com) Sarah ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Joan Enriquez" <joane@ocln.org> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Library Clip Art MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:23:03 CST Many of you asked me to share the responses I received regarding my request for good sites for Library Clip Art. Esther Lewenstein recommended the "Libraries FAQ Homepage" at www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/2161 Jeanne Schmitzer suggested the same page, and also said her favorite is http://home.istar.ca/~allegrow/libraryclipart.htm Brenda Evans suggested http://www.JanetMeyers.com/clipart.html Linda Snodderly recommended http://www.hoxie.org http://cgl.microsoft.com/clipgallerylive/default.asp http://www.kidsdomain.com Cara Leonard says they have three great links on their website for clipart. Visit the site at www.limestone.lib.il.us/ and go to web links and information and click on young adult links. Traci Mortiz recommends hhtp://www.clipartguide.com http://webclipart.about.com/internet/webclipart/msub56.htm Thanks to all of you for your recommendations. Joan Enriquez ------------------------------ From: Tracey Love <tcywork@yahoo.com> To: pubyac <PUBYAC@prairienet.org> Subject: thank you: bookmaking program MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:30:45 CST
A BIG thank you to all of you who sent suggestions for my bookmaking program--it was quite successful! In fact, I would recommend book-making to anyone who needs a sure-fire successful program. While the preparation can be time-consuming, kids just seem to love this kind of program, and are so proud of the books that they make. If anyone needs the programming suggestions that were sent to me, let me know off list and I will email them to you. Tracey Dittoe Lane Public Library Hamilton, OH tcywork@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Joyce Wrage <jwrage@sdln.net> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: job announcement Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:38:44 CST
Children's Services Coordinator City of Brookings, SD is accepting applications for Children's Services Coordinator within the Brookings Public Library. Position requires B. A. degree with preference given for Master's in Library Science from ALA accredited school. Experience in public libraries and working with children of all ages required. Must have ability to effectively present information in verbal and written formats to children and young adults. The library has just completed an expansion and remodeling. Support for Children's Services is high. Evenings and weekends required. Beginning salary: $29,182. Applications accepted until January 14, 2000. For further information and referral, contact Job Service of South Dakota, Box 789, Brookings, SD 57006. 605-688-4350. The City of Brookings is an Equal Opportunity Employer.
------------------------------ From: "Sheila Anderson" <Sanderson@acpl.lib.in.us> To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org Subject: Frances Henne/YALSA/VOYA Research Grant MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:46:34 CST Greetings: John P. Bradford of the Tempe Public Library (AZ) and I were awarded the 1999 Frances Henne/YALSA/VOYA Research Grant in order to evaluate state-level commitment to young adult library services. In August we sent surveys to all state library associations and state libraries. We have not yet heard from the following states: Alabama, Delaware, Maryland, New Hampshire, Kansas, Louisiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, North Dakota, and South Dakota. If you are a state library representative or a state library association representative in AL, DE, MD, or NH, please contact me at sanderson@acpl.lib.in.us or (219) 421-1256. If you are a state library representative or a state library association representative in KS, LA, MN, NE, ND, or SD, please contact John P. Bradford at john_bradford@tempe.gov or (480) 350-5924. Since the results of this research will be published, it is important that we have input about the state level commitment to young adults from all states. Thank you-- Sheila B. Anderson
*************************************************** Sheila B. Anderson Manager, Young Adults' Services Allen County Public Library 900 Webster Street PO Box 2270 Fort Wayne, IN 46801-2270 (219) 421-1256 Fax: (219) 422-9688 sanderson@acpl.lib.in.us http://www.acpl.lib.in.us ------------------------------ From: "Susan Price-Stephens" <susan.price-stephens@treasure.lpl.london.on.ca> To: <pubyac@prairienet.org> Subject: Stumper summer flowers vs. spring flowers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:53:39 CST A patron is looking for a story that he read in a reader at least 20 years ago. The story is about summer and spring flowers that don't like each other. It features a lizard, a princess of the summer flowers falling in love with the prince of the spring flowers. The lizard in the story was memorable because when he was asked as a youngster what his plans were for the future he replied "I want to learn how to be lazy". I would really appreciate it if someone out there could help us. I have looked at A to Zoo without any luck. Please reply to me directly at susan.price-stephens@treasure.lpl.london.on.ca Thanks (you will need to type in the entire address the system doesn't seem to recognise the first part of my address) ------------------------------ From: "Kelly Poole" <kpoole@lex.lib.sc.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Book (Dust) Jackets Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:01:38 CST I have lurked on PUBYAC for about two years, and I usually absorb all of the wonderful thoughts of the "collective brain" without responding. However, "abhor" is the perfect word for this process, and I cannot help but be flabbergasted. You have excellent arguements for your position, and I agree with all of them. The only other factor I can think of is the "marketability" that a beautiful dust jacket adds to any book. Good luck on your campaign!
Denise Matulka wrote: > My library system has, in the last three years, embraced a practice to > take the book jackets off of the children's picture books during > processing. I ABHOR this practice. I am told that it is staff intensive > and since most picture books have "self jackets" underneath, it makes the > book (dust) jackets unnecessary. Unfortunately, vital information > about the title, author, and illustrator are also discarded along with the > book jacket. What concerns me is that, while the jackets are marketing > devices designed to sell books, they are also important to the patrons > who do not possess the skills to evaluate a book professionally. Would > anyone care to share their thoughts with me on this topic? I am interested > in all opinions. ------------------------------ From: "<Lesley Knieriem>" <lknierie@suffolk.lib.ny.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Book (Dust) Jackets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:10:18 CST
I agree that the dust jackets should be left on books, if nothing else because the book flaps are marvelous marketing jimmies. And what on earth is *wrong* with marketing? We may call it "booktalking" or "encouraging literacy" or "reader's advisory" or "promoting lifelong learning", but a huge proportion of these noble aims is good old-fashioned marketing, trying to get kids to pick up, check out, and read good books. Why should we waste the efforts and expertise of the publisher's publicity departments? OTOH, if they *must* be removed for processing, for heaven's sake don't throw them out! One library I worked in mounted them on the wall of the Children's room as boxcars attached to a cutout steam engine as an ever evolving display. Another framed attractive ones and gave them out as prizes for summer reading. I'm sure that there are a lot of other good ideas out there. ------------------------------ From: Laura Smith <laurajhs@yahoo.com> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Book (Dust) Jackets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:18:25 CST Well, considering the fact that my master's thesis was on children judging a book by it's cover....I have to vote for book jackets. I know they may seem like a time-sink, but they provide a lot of information quickly and efficiently. They also provide an added layer of protection to our beloved books. I don't wince nearly as much when I see a dried cup ring on a mylar jacket as when I see it on an unprotected book. In my last job as a cataloger in an small theological library, the reference staff requested processing cut out any author picture and bio information and paste it inside on the flyleaf because we could not afford the mylar jackets and the staff time. So, the info is obviously important to someone! And isn't that what we're here for? To provide information? Laura Smith Children's Librarian Aspen Hill Community Library Rockville, MD ------------------------------ From: "Cathy S. Lichtman" <cathyl@tln.lib.mi.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: weeding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:25:54 CST
Try The CREW Method: Expanded Guidelines for Collection Evaluation and Weeding for Small and Medium-Sized Public Libraries by Belinda Boon. Cathy Lichtman Orion Township Public Library Lake Orion, MI On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 Kabil@aol.com wrote: > Our library recently became automated. The chidren's department is in > desparate need of weeding--However, we have no statistical data--how many > times a book went out, etc..We are depending mostly on copyright, but can > anyone suggest any other guidelines in determining the withdrawal of a book. > thanks. k.gaines > ------------------------------ From: Mark Gochnour <gochnm@mont.lib.md.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Reverse Censorship in Schools MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:34:21 CST Thought that some of you might be interested in another Breakpoint Broadcast. It's about attempt to prevent books of opposing viewpoints in school libraries. Fortunately, the attempt failed. The Library Bill of Rights has to work both ways. ----- Original Message ----- Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:26:20 -0600 From: <BreakPoint_Staff@pfm.org To: BreakPoint by Charles Colson <breakpoint@lists.netcentral.net Subject: [breakpoint] Darwin's Desperate Disciples, 11/22/1999 http://www.breakpoint.org/transcripts.taf
BreakPoint Commentary #91122 - 11/22/1999 Darwin's Desperate Disciples: The Detroit Library Controversy by Charles Colson As everyone knows, the purpose of any good library is to broaden our horizons--offering information from many different perspectives. But not long ago a school district created controversy when it did just that: when it voted to include in school libraries books offering a critical perspective of Darwinian evolution.
It all began when the Melvindale-Northern Allen Park School Board in Detroit voted to place books critical of Darwinian evolution in its school libraries. You might have thought that scientists, of all people, would welcome rigorous inquiry into controversial subjects. But instead, Darwin's defenders went ballistic. The National Center for Science Education, an evolutionist watchdog group, immediately issued an Internet alert urging members to send letters to the "Detroit News" condemning the board. Director Eugenie Scott told the press the books selected for school libraries were "bad science," that they were "frankly religious," and that some were even "a joke."
But all this was sheer bluster. Scott knows that among the 19 titles were books authored by Michael Behe, Michael Denton, and Dean Kenyon--all well- espected, tenured biology professors at secular universities. The case these professors make against Darwinism is not religious but scientific. It's based on things like the "gaps" in the fossil record, the pervasive pattern of sudden appearance of new life forms followed by long periods of no change which contradicts completely the theory of evolutionary change. The case is based on the irreducible complexity of living things--which suggests they could not arise by any gradual, piecemeal process. Like a watch or a mousetrap, many living things consist of pieces that have to be assembled from the outset or they won't work at all. People like Scott know there's a serious scientific case to be made against Darwin, so why do they keep pushing the religion button? The answer is that they are worried: Thanks to just these arguments, the monopoly that Darwinism has held in public schools is disintegrating. In response, defenders of Darwinism are seeking to construct a united front for the public, denouncing all criticisms of Darwinism as anti-scientific. Yet, enforcing a single perspective in the science classroom is ITSELF anti-scientific. The very point of scientific inquiry is not to protect pet theories from criticism, but to get at the truth. As biologist Jonathan Wells asks, "Should [students] be permitted to think for themselves, or should they be indoctrinated by one party in the controversy while all other views are officially banned?" I'm happy to report that reason finally prevailed over anti-science hysteria in Detroit. Books offering scientific criticisms of Darwinism can now be found on the shelves of school libraries. Why not donate a good science text to your own public school library, like "Of Pandas and People"? It provides students with the facts that Darwinists are trying to suppress. It outlines the case for intelligent design, which is proving the most serious challenge to macroevolution since Darwin published his theory more than a century ago. Of course, if you do bring in a book like this, the Darwinist book-banners won't like it. You might even spark a controversy. But it would be a genuinely scientific thing to do.
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------------------------------ From: "Webster, Lisa" <LisaW@ci.mount-vernon.wa.us> To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org> Subject: RE: weeding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:42:11 CST Try www.sunlink.ucf.edu/weed It has good tips for weeding certain areas. L. Webster ------------------------------ From: Vicky Jaksic <VKozich@ci.irving.tx.us> To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org> Subject: pre-k "why" books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:49:49 CST I need some help from you guys! I have a patron who has a 3 year old who is starting to ask lots of "why?" questions and they want a book to help answer these questions. They want them in picture book format though, but said they wouldn't mind a book/books that are geared a bit older. They want a book that has lots of why? questions in it and answers them as well. Not the miller or hoban books though. I showed him those, although those really don't answer why? questions so much as "whose" or "who". So, please, if you have any suggestions of where I can lead this patron, I would REALLY appreciate it! Please respond directly to me at the above address. Even send easy NF titles if you know of any! Thanks! VICTORIA JAKSIC SENIOR LIBRARIAN NORTHWEST BRANCH - IRVING PUBLIC LIBRARY 972-721-2692 2928 NORTH BELTLINE ROAD IRVING, TX 75062 FAX: 972-721-3637 ------------------------------ From: Charles Schacht <schachtc@libcoop.net> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: publishers on Pubyac Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:15:02 CST Walter - I think it would be a real service if there would be a job postings/looking for employment section so that someone conotemplating a switch could see what their options were and an employer looking for a specific sort of employee could reach a wide audience of prospective employees... Chuck Schacht Romeo District Library Romeo, MI.
------------------------------ From: RoseMary Honnold <honnolro@oplin.lib.oh.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: weeding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:27:15 CST Condition....listing in Childrens Catalog.....keep Caldecott and Newberry or replace if needed.....is the information dated.... is it part of a series....popular topics.... popular authors.... many things to consider! Kabil@aol.com wrote: > Our library recently became automated. The chidren's department is in > desparate need of weeding--However, we have no statistical data--how many > times a book went out, etc..We are depending mostly on copyright, but can > anyone suggest any other guidelines in determining the withdrawal of a book. > thanks. k.gaines ------------------------------ From: RoseMary Honnold <honnolro@oplin.lib.oh.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Book (Dust) Jackets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:34:20 CST In a few old books in our library, I have seen the blurbs glued into the inside cover of the book, maybe you could suggest this as a compromise. ------------------------------ From: RoseMary Honnold <honnolro@oplin.lib.oh.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Source for YA paperbacks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:42:16 CST Bookmen, Inc 525 N. 3rd St Minneapolis, MN 55401 1-800-328-8411
Sandra.Cornett@mail.state.ky.us wrote: > I am in the process of attempting to revive my library's YA collection. ------------------------------ From: Becky Smith <bsmith@utstcelbgw.state.lib.ut.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org, kbil@aol.com Subject: Re: weeding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:49:18 CST Although I'm not a Florida school library media specialist, I've found their "Sunlink Weed of the Month Club" invaluable. It gives excellent advice and guidelines on weeding any collection. You can find it at: http://www.sunlink.ucf.edu/weed/ -- Becky Ann Smith, Children's Librarian Logan Library, Logan, UT bsmith@state.lib.ut.us http://www.logan.lib.ut.us ------------------------------ From: Sandy Farmer <sfarmer@hpl.lib.tx.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: weeding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:57:19 CST Contact the Texas State Library. About every 5 years they publish a weeding guide that tells you how long to keep different Dewey areas. It is an excellent guide to weeding your collection. Sandy Farmer Houston Public Library ------------------------------ From: "Jerry Kuntz" <jkuntz@ansernet.rcls.org> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <publib@sunsite.berkeley.edu> Subject: Web search tutorials for grades 4-7 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:04:15 CST The Ramapo Catskill Library System, developer of the KidsClick! search engine, has created a companion web site in an effort to teach web searching skills to upper elementary and middle school students (grades 4-7). The new site, called "KidsClick! Worlds of Web Searching" can be found at: http://www.worldsofsearching.org/ Concepts such as subject directories, keyword searching, truncation, spelling, boolean searching, etc. are illustrated and supported by interactive activities. This is a progress in work, so if you have constructive comments or suggestions, please respond to me at: jkuntz@rcls.org. Jerry Kuntz Electronic Resources Consultant Ramapo Catskill Library System jkuntz@rcls.org
------------------------------ From: KATHYB@anokas.anoka.lib.mn.us To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: dust jackets Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:20:17 CST We did an informal study a few years ago which definitely showed that dust jackets extend the life of a book by protecting the binding from all sorts of misadventures--scrapes, marks, and so on. If the dust jacket ends up biting the dust, you still have a new-looking book underneath. Kathleen Baxter Anoka County Library in Minnesota ------------------------------ From: Carol Janoff <cjanoff@lib.ci.phoenix.az.us> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Book (Dust) Jackets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:40:57 CST I hate to have the jackets removed. Besides the points you made, the corners and edges of the books wear out without the protection of the jackets and plastic covers, and the books must be discarded more frequently due to poor condition. Carol Janoff cjanoff@lib.ci.phoenix.az.us Librarian I Mesquite Branch Library Phoenix, AZ ------------------------------ From: "Rodriguez, Marta" <M.3Rodriguez@BrooklynPublicLibrary.org> To: "'PUBYAC@prairienet.org'" <PUBYAC@prairienet.org> Subject: typing games MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:57:00 CST Hi! Does anyone know of a fun game for learning typing, that kids will actually use? I am interested in CD-ROM and especially web-based games. Thanks, Marta Rodriguez, Brooklyn Public Library ------------------------------ From: "Tami Steinbauer" <steinbta@oplin.lib.oh.us> To: <PUBYAC@prairienet.org> Subject: pooh birthday party Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:22:29 CST Hello everyone! I am planning a pooh birthday party program in Jan. to celebrate A.A. = Milne's birthday. The program is for children K-3 grade. I have looked = in The Pooh Party Book, The Pooh Get-Well Book, and The Pooh Craft Book, = but found limited ideas. Has anyone done a similar program? I would = love to hear what you did - especially games or crafts. I am planning = on playing pin the tail on eeyore, and having a honey birthday cake. I = thought of possibly having the kids make birthday hats, but I would = prefer a more "pooh-oriented" craft. Any ideas would be greatly = appreciated! Tami Steinbauer Birchard Public Library Fremont, Oh Steinbta@oplin.lib.oh.us ------------------------------ From: "REBECCA HIGGERSON" <RHIGGERSON@sacramento.lib.ca.us> To: <pubyac@prairienet.org> Subject: Re: Book (Dust) Jackets Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:38:50 CST My library recently had a dilemma over the 3/4 jackets on Monster by Myers and Tomorrowland by Cart. The former was removed without the librarians' knowledge, so we immediately raised the issue for future titles. We felt that the Monster dust jacket readers see in bookstores was important for its marketing and dramatic appeal, but unfortunately Tech Svcs. threw them out. Thus our readers may not pick up or notice the book because its cover is different and rather forgettable. Tech Svcs. has since agreed to cover the 3/4 jacket on all subsequent titles. ******************************** Rebecca Higgerson Youth Services Librarian Sacramento Public Library 828 I Street Sacramento, CA 95814 (916)264-2845 fax (916)264-2854 rhiggerson@sacramento.lib.ca.us ------------------------------ From: Pamela Stack <pstack@vlc.lib.mi.us> To: list serve <pubyac@prairienet.org> Subject: Family reading program Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:54:32 CST I'm starting a family reading program for the winter. Do any of you have any suggestions? If you have done a program like this could you pass some ideas along. It would be greatly appreciated. The library has done a program like this in the past but many fathers won't participate. Any suggestions or ideas will help. Thanks!! Pamela C. Stack pstack@vlc.lib.mi.us Children's Librarian St. Charles District Library St. Charles, Michigan ------------------------------ From: Todd A Grazier <tgrazier@gcfn.org> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Molly Bannaky MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:04:13 CST
Dear all: After just sitting in a mock Caldecott, someone had mentioned _Molly Bannaky_ by Alice McGill. Has anyone else taken a close look at the facts in this book? I read the book, thought it was a great story, but I wondered about its authenticity. A little research yielded some interesting facts: 1. Most scholars believe that Molly's last name was "Welsh," not "Walsh" as it says in the book. (Though to be fair, there are no definitive records to state one way or the other.) 2. In 1683, when Molly was still in England, the law providing land to freed servants in Maryland was repealed. Molly could not have staked a claim, she would have had to rent land. 3. She bought two slaves, not one. 4. His name was Banneky. 5. After marrying Banneky, she withdrew from her neighbors and they were not likely to accept her or her marriage. Concerning the illustrations: 1. According to the testimony of one of her grandsons, every member of her family children and grand children were of black complexion, some of the darkest hue. The illustrations appear to depict rather light skinned children to me. 2. Though land was not given at the time that Molly would have been relieved from servanthood, the law states that she would have received an ox, two hoes, a gun, three barrels of Indian corn and clothing. Clothing for a woman was to include: skirt and waistcoat of penistone( a coarse woolen cloth), a linen smock and a blue apron, two linen caps, stockings and shoes. I found it curious that the law was specific as to the color of the apron and was wondering why this curious detail was omitted. I didn't notice a blue apron. But you can read all this for yourself in: _The Life of Benjamin Banneker: The First African-American Man of Science_ by Silvio A. Bedini (This is a very good source, backed up with historical documents) _What Are You Figuring Now?_ by Jeri Ferris _Benjamin Banneker: Scientist and Mathematician _ by Kevin Conley _Benjamin Banneker: Genius of Early America _ by Lillie Patterson So, what do all of you think?
/` o") Todd A. Grazier ,( )' tgrazier@gcfn.org _"_ Columbus Metropolitan Library "Opinions expressed are my own, but you may borrow them with a library card."
------------------------------ From: Nichole Welz <welzn@cadl.org> To: pubyac@prairienet.org Subject: Weeding question... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:13:35 CST Hello, We are currently weeding our whole jfic and jnon-fic collections. They are pretty old and we are finding all kinds of goodies. I do have questions regarding a fantasy series called the SEVEN CITADELS by Gerladine Harris. There are 4 parts and they are as follows Prince of the godborn: Part 1 (1982) The children of the wind: Part 2 (1982) The dead children: Part 3 (1983) The seventh gate: Part 4 (1983) Have any of you read this? Did you enjoy it? Is it worth saving? Our set's in decent condition and we really want to keep the good stuff. None of us here have heard of it which is making me wonder... But we may just be ignorant of early 80's fantasy. Please e-mail me directly. I'm sure there will be more situations than this in which I will call on your expertise! Thanks, Nichole L. Welz Children's Librarian Lansing Library and Information Center Lansing, MI welzn@cadl.org ------------------------------ From: "Amy Howlett" <amy.howlett@dol.state.vt.us> To: <PUBYAC@prairienet.org> Subject: preschool title on personal space Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:23:16 CST A school librarian needs one or two good titles at the kindergarten/first grade level on personal space. How to respect each other, keeping a polite distance from others when talking, playing, etc; the need to understand that other children may not want to hug, hold hands, or be close. The topic is NOT sexual touching. "A to Zoo" (third ed, '89) has Self-concept listed, but the titles don't match this topic. Haven't been able to find anything under Privacy--juvenile literature in our catalog listings. Please send suggestions directly to me, and I'll post to the list. Amy Howlett VT Deparment of Libraries ahowlett@dol.state.vt.us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:47:04 -0700 (MST) From: PUBYAC <pyowner@pallasinc.com> To: PUBYAC <pubyac@prairienet.org> Subject: Formerly digested PUBYAC subscribers Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.991221154252.27878B-100000@info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Digest lovers, I've been doing some comparing, and it looks like even though the listprocessor reported that Digests had been set for all former Majordomo Digested subscribers, this is not the case. So I am going to try again. For those of you whose address I have changed, it should ignore your old address and not change your current settings. If you liked the individual messages, you can set your subscription back by sending a message to: listproc@prairienet.org Command: set pubyac mail ack
And just as a point of interest: SIZE is winning out over MIDNIGHT by about 3 to 1. Shannon VanHemert PUBYAC Moderator pyowner@pallasinc.com PUBYAC Web page: http://www.pallasinc.com/pubyac
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