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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>

To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>

Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:05:07 CDT

Subject: PUBYAC digest 185

PUBYAC Digest 185

Topics covered in this issue include:

1) Re: Christian fiction or propaganda?

by Maggi Rohde <maggi@intranet.org>

2) Re: Need help fast!

by "april winchester" <apriljunewinchester@hotmail.com>

3) RE: Summer Reading Prizes

by "Susan Graf" <susangraf27@hotmail.com>

4) stumper: girl in Old West traveling theatre troop

by Tammy Williams <sackett@rivercto.net>

5) Stumper - Wind

by Zaklina Gallagher <zgallagh@dcc.govt.nz>

6) Re: Christian fiction or propaganda?

by Dawn Sardes <dsardes@clsn1269.cumberland.lib.nc.us>

7) [Fwd: Christian Fiction or propaganda]

by "Lodge, Debra" <ldebra@bellsouth.net>

8) criteria for teens to evaluate children's picture books

by "Jeanne Schmitzer" <jeannes@usit.net>

9) Fair Labor Standards Act

by "Doering, Nancy" <doerin@sosmail.state.mo.us>

10) RE: Egyptian Crafts

by "Doering, Nancy" <doerin@sosmail.state.mo.us>

11) Re: Egyptian Crafts

by toni whiney <whitneto@oplin.lib.oh.us>

12) RE: Egyptian Crafts

by "Drabkin, Jane S." <jdrabkin@pwcgov.org>

13) Re: Christian fiction or propaganda?

by "Vicky Smith" <vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us>

14) Re: Do you keep library application forms?

by "Vicky Smith" <vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us>

15) Re: Christian fiction or propaganda?

by "Tamara Butler" <tamara_r_butler@hotmail.com>

16) Re: Christian fiction or propaganda?

by "Beverly Kirkendall" <bkirkend@ci.hurst.tx.us>

17) Family literacy

by Sally Goodroe <sgoodroe@hcpl.net>

18) Re: Do you keep library application forms?

by Christine Hill <chill@willingboro.org>

19) Help with a program

by Kim Flores <kimf@mail.orion.org>

20) Folktale Stumper

by "Heather" <heather@elgin.net>

21) Re: Christian fiction or propaganda?

by Tom Stuart <tstuart@wls.lib.ny.us>

22) Re: Christian fiction or propaganda?

by Mark Gochnour <gochnm@mont.lib.md.us>

23) Re: Christian fiction or propaganda?

by "Mary Johnson (amk)" <mjohnson@wls.lib.ny.us>

24) Re: Fair Labor Standards Act

by "Vicky Smith" <vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us>

25) Storytellers/message (long)

by Julie Linneman <juliel@wichita.lib.ks.us>

26) RE: Summer Reading Prizes

by "andrea " <juvserv@dialup.customnet.com>

27) Harry Potter Article

by Esther Lewenstein <famous99@yahoo.com>

28) RE: [Fwd: Christian Fiction or propaganda]

by JDICKEY <JDICKEY@cuyahoga.lib.oh.us>

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From: Maggi Rohde <maggi@intranet.org>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:29:15 CDT

 

On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Tamara Butler wrote:

> The Left Behind series presents an interesting situation. If patrons

> request and want these books, then why would a public library not

> provide them? If we truly believe in no censorship of any form, then

> why do we as librarians fight tooth and nail to keep other

> controversial books, such as the Harry Potter series, and then balk at

> carrying the Left Behind series because of its contents.

I haven't read the Left Behind books, but from the comments it sounds as

though people are reluctant to provide these books because they're not

very well written. Where do you draw the line between quality and

popularity?

-Maggi Rohde, University of Michigan alumna

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From: "april winchester" <apriljunewinchester@hotmail.com>

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My 15 year old son personally subscribes to Dirt Bike (dirt motorcycle

magazine) Dirt Wheels (a four-wheeler magazine) and Car Action (remote

control car magazine). We get the Dirt Bike and Dirt Wheels at my library

and they hardly stay on the shelf. But I am in a rural area.

Good Luck!!

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From: "Susan Graf" <susangraf27@hotmail.com>

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I, too, have followed this thread with interest. I know that my system

would not work in some of the larger library system settings, but we have

about only 450 sign up for the program. We have four program per week: a

preschool storytime, Game Day, Special Guest program and a crafttime. We

usually have 30 to 60 kids at the first three (week day) programs and 80 to

120 at the Saturday craft program.

In the past I have solicted prizes from local businesses and distributed

them at drawings held on Saturday. However, some families won big prizes

each week and others, many others, never won a prize. We gave the children a

numbered ticket every time they visited the library--after each Saturday's

drawing we tossed all of the tickets and started again.

This year we received cash donations from our local firefighters, teamster

and police unions, as well as the Emblem Club (wives of Elks). I contacted

local groups, such a the Nevada Mining Association, for small give aways.

>From bookmarks to coloring books, rulers & pencils to xeroxed games, we give

everyone who attends a program a prize. We are trying to encourage coming to

the library and not being the Book Police with the kids and parents.

I can't imagine a program for 10,000 kids--but we have solicted books for

our kids through the Starbucks donation program, book drives in higher

income areas for partner schools in our lower income service area, and

purchasing books in bulk from Orchard Press (I understand Scholastic and

Bookman are also good sources).

Susan Graf

Family Services Librarian

North Las Vegas Library District

North Las Vegas, NV

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From: Tammy Williams <sackett@rivercto.net>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: stumper: girl in Old West traveling theatre troop

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On another list I'm on, someone asked about a book - this is all the

info I have - it was probably out in the 70's or 80's. She's promised

eternal gratitude if someone could tell her the title<g>.

>>P.S. - the book I mentioned involved a girl in the old West whose mother

>>dies, and who joins a travelling theatre troop (at one point she has to

>>do a Victor/Victoria and, as a boy, play a girl onstage <g>) doing plays

>>in the frontier areas, including Colorado...if anyone has read this and

>>knows the title or author, please let me know.

>

>That *was* almost all I recall about it. Set in the old west, not the

>far west...there was a piano player guy who joins the theatre troop,

>too, and turns out to be the heroine's father.

Tammy Williams

sackett@rivercto.net

Children's Services Consultant

Northwestern Regional Library

Elkin, NC

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From: Zaklina Gallagher <zgallagh@dcc.govt.nz>

To: "'PUBYAC'" <PUBYAC@prairienet.org>

Subject: Stumper - Wind

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Please can PUBYAC find the answer to this one -

A picture book, about 10-15 years old?, the book is about the wind going

around and looking in the windows in various houses. The wind talks to a

boy who is sick in bed and can't go out and see things for himself. In one

of the rooms the wind looks into, the chairs are nailed up high on the walls

because the tide comes into the room and the people don't want to get their

feet wet.

We have tried A-Zoo and various other resources but feel it's one you have

to have read.

Please respond directly to me at my e-mail address below. Thank you, in

anticipation.

Zak

Zaklina M. Gallagher

Young Adult Librarian

Dunedin Public Libraries

PO Box 5542, Dunedin

Ph: +64-3-4743626

Email: zgallagh@dcc.govt.nz

WWW: http://www.CityofDunedin.com

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Dawn Sardes <dsardes@clsn1269.cumberland.lib.nc.us>

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Subject: Re: Christian fiction or propaganda?

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:35:26 CDT

 

When I notice kids with the Left Behind books, I make suggestions to other

Christian and survival themed books.

Last year, I did weed one truly horrible Christian series. I can't

remember the name right now, but they were set in WW2 Germany and were

about two very young Christian teens outwitting the Germans to save Jews.

They provided an unrealistic image of just how efficient a killing machine

Nazi Germany was, and trivialized the Holocaust, which I did find

offensive. The Jewish characters were stereotyped and one-dimensional.

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From: "Lodge, Debra" <ldebra@bellsouth.net>

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Subject: [Fwd: Christian Fiction or propaganda]

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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 01:19:02 -0400

From: "Lodge, Debra" <ldebra@bellsouth.net>

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As librarians we select based on a set of criteria for what is and

isn't acceptable for our collections(not the same as censorship).I

have no problem with Evangelical Endtimer Christians presenting their

views, what I find disturbing about LEFT BEHIND-THE KIDS is that it

presents and promotes an intolerant view of those who don't share the

same apocalyptic vision.I especially have a problem with this sort of

emotional terrorism being directed at children. As far a "no censorship

in any form", I have to ask when was the last time you saw LITTLE BLACK

SAMBO on a public library shelf? This is a cherished childhood favorite

of many adults in the South. I had a grandfather just a few weeks ago

lamenting that we didn't have the original (I had shown him SAM & THE

TIGERS and LITTLE BABAJI). He let me know he didn't think much of

political correctness, he wanted the original book.I guess he went away

thinking that Bannerman's LITTLE BLACK SAMBO is a banned book and his

rights have been violated because he pays taxes too. All sarcasm aside,

I think we all "censor" in some way when we reject books that are

overtly insensitive to the feelings of others, especially children.

I'm all for having "offensive" books in my collection but I draw the

line at books that are hurtful. When the LEFT BEHIND series tells

children that they will go to hell or be left behind and abandoned

if they don't subscribe to the the type of Christianity presented

in these books, I think the line has been crossed into harmful

material.Just my humble opinion, not my library's.

Debra Lodge

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From: "Jeanne Schmitzer" <jeannes@usit.net>

To: "PUBYAC" <pubyac@prairienet.org>

Subject: criteria for teens to evaluate children's picture books

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:59:53 CDT

Hello all,

I work with quite a few teens who are parents. Something I would like to try

with them is to have them evaluate children's books and create lists of

favorites for lap reading, teaching concepts, etc., etc. Hopefully this will

help teen parents to know what is out there and available to their children,

and may help encourage them to read to their children.

Does anyone have some good ideas on simple criteria for the teens to look

for in evaluating children's books?

Or other ideas along these lines?

Thanks for all your input,

Jeanne

jeannes@usit.net

Putnam County Library

Cookeville, TN

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From: "Doering, Nancy" <doerin@sosmail.state.mo.us>

To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>

Subject: Fair Labor Standards Act

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:11:25 CDT

Oops! I meant Hear! Hear!--yesterday was a very stressful day. Which

brings me to my next question for all you fellow pubyac-ers in the USA:

With regard to the Fair Labor Standards Act (US federal law) how are your

librarians with MLS degrees classified--exempt or nonexempt? Please answer

as soon as possible because on Monday a begin a much-needed vacation. My

colleague here also belongs, so she can keep track of answers while I am

gone, but the curiousity will kill me on vacation. Thank you so much. I

appreciate all your comments. Nancy Doering

 

Nancy Doering

Youth Services Librarian

Wolfner Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped

P.O. Box 387

600 W. Main

Jefferson City, MO 65102-0387

TELEPHONE 573-751-8720

FAX 573-526-2985

"Any opinions expressed are my own"

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From: "Doering, Nancy" <doerin@sosmail.state.mo.us>

To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>

Subject: RE: Egyptian Crafts

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The November/December 1997 issue of Copycat Magazine has some neat King Tut

crafts--a booklet, a pyramid model, and a face mask.

Nancy Doering

Youth Services Librarian

Wolfner Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped

P.O. Box 387

600 W. Main

Jefferson City, MO 65102-0387

TELEPHONE 573-751-8720

FAX 573-526-2985

"Any opinions expressed are my own"

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Jason R. Long [mailto:MT_JASON@DAYTON.LIB.OH.US]

Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 9:01 PM

To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org

Subject: Egyptian Crafts

 

Greetings!

I'm doing a YA program on Egypt in October and was wondering if anyone

knew of some resources where I can get craft information. I was hoping

to have the teens decorate their own sarcophagus's, but if anyone knows

of other craft ideas, those are welcome too. Feel free to share any

advice you might have if you've done this type of program before. (ie:

What worked, what didn't work, etc...)Thanks in advance!

Thanks,

Jason Long

MT_JASON@DAYTON.LIB.OH.US

Miami Township Branch Library, DMCPL

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From: toni whiney <whitneto@oplin.lib.oh.us>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: Re: Egyptian Crafts

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In response to your request:

Hart, Avery and Paul Mantell. Pyramids! Williamson Publishing, 1997.

ISBN 1-885593-10-4

50 Hands-on Activities to Experience Ancient Egypt.

Fister, Nancy and Charles Olexiewicz. Make History Ancient Egypt. Lowell

House Juvenile, 1996. ISBN 0-7373-0153-8

Re-create authentic jewelry, toys, and other crafts from another place and

time.

Honan, Linda. Spend the Day in Ancient Egypt: Projects and Activities That

Bring the Past to Life. John Wiley & Sons,

1999. ISBN 0-471-29006-8

These are great sources for activities. As part of our summer reading

program, we have a local 6th grade teacher present a program and craft each

year. The crowd is always large! This week we are making Scarab Seals

from page 22 of Make History Ancient Egypt. The clay is available through

an Indianapolis, Indiana company. E-mail me if you would like the

information.

Toni Whitney

Ashland Public Library

Ashland, Ohio

Jason R. Long wrote:

> Greetings!

>

> I'm doing a YA program on Egypt in October and was wondering if anyone

> knew of some resources where I can get craft information. I was hoping

> to have the teens decorate their own sarcophagus's, but if anyone knows

> of other craft ideas, those are welcome too. Feel free to share any

> advice you might have if you've done this type of program before. (ie:

> What worked, what didn't work, etc...)Thanks in advance!

>

> Thanks,

> Jason Long

> MT_JASON@DAYTON.LIB.OH.US

> Miami Township Branch Library, DMCPL

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From: "Drabkin, Jane S." <jdrabkin@pwcgov.org>

To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>

Subject: RE: Egyptian Crafts

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Last year we did an a number of Egyptian theme crafts. Using a

hieroglyphics kit, kids stamped their own cartouches and they did a bead

craft making beetle keychain much like Egyptian mummies. We also did an

"Eat Like an Egyptian" program and let them sample Middle Eastern food.

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From: "Vicky Smith" <vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: Re: Christian fiction or propaganda?

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> On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Tamara Butler wrote:

> > The Left Behind series presents an interesting situation. If patrons

> > request and want these books, then why would a public library not

> > provide them? If we truly believe in no censorship of any form, then

> > why do we as librarians fight tooth and nail to keep other

> > controversial books, such as the Harry Potter series, and then balk at

> > carrying the Left Behind series because of its contents.

>

> I haven't read the Left Behind books, but from the comments it sounds as

> though people are reluctant to provide these books because they're not

> very well written. Where do you draw the line between quality and

> popularity?

>

> -Maggi Rohde, University of Michigan alumna

I dunno, but I would ask folks to reflect, when they're rejecting a

book because of low quality, on whether they carry mainstream series

fiction that is not reviewed and is of questionable

quality--Goosebumps spring to mind, but of course there are plenty of

others.

 

Vicky Smith

Children's Librarian

McArthur Public Library (207)284-4181

270 Main Street http://www.mcarthur.lib.me.us

Biddeford, ME 04005 vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us

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From: "Vicky Smith" <vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: Re: Do you keep library application forms?

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> From: Beth DeGeer <bdeg@bartlesville.lib.ok.us>

> One of our Library Board members (he's a lawyer) has suggested that we keep

> library card applications (we currently toss them when a card is

> successfully issued) so that we have a record that the an adult has signed

> the application and acknowledges that a library card brings with it access

> to the internet.

>

> Does any other library do this? Do you see a need to do it? Thanks for any

> info you can provide.

We keep our card applications for the very reason you state

above--record of parental & borrowers' signatures--and also to have a

paper back-up to refer to in case of inaccurate data entry. To make

this a fairly easy proposition, our applications are all catalog-card

sized and we keep a medium size catalog cabinet at the circ desk. We

do not have to deal with thousands of floppy 81/2 X 11 applications.

Hope this helps.

Vicky Smith

Children's Librarian

McArthur Public Library (207)284-4181

270 Main Street http://www.mcarthur.lib.me.us

Biddeford, ME 04005 vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us

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From: "Tamara Butler" <tamara_r_butler@hotmail.com>

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:34:15 CDT

Maggi,

Boy, if we only bought books that are of a high literary quality, we would

all be weeding out half of our current collections. I guess I don't really

think the reluctance to carry these books is totally due to a concern for

quality because I don't hear many complaints about buying Danielle Steele's

or Jackie Collins' books. My real point in this discussion is that

librarians need to be very careful about allowing personal feelings to

interfere with their desire to meet the needs of their patrons. For

example, most of the adult Left Behind books have been on the NY Times top

ten bestsellers list, so I assume most libraries would buy them as they

would any other bestsellers. I know this is a complicated issue, but I

believe it is important. Thanks for listening.

Tamara Butler

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From: Maggi Rohde <maggi@intranet.org>

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:29:15 CDT

 

I haven't read the Left Behind books, but from the comments it sounds as

though people are reluctant to provide these books because they're not

very well written. Where do you draw the line between quality and

popularity?

-Maggi Rohde, University of Michigan alumna

 

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From: "Beverly Kirkendall" <bkirkend@ci.hurst.tx.us>

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<<Where do you draw the line between quality and popularity? >>

I was just starting my education as a librarian just after the Goosebumps series made its way on to library shelves. Seems to me I remember this same arguement then. Did it have an agenda? Some seemed to think so. Did my library have the series? Of course it did.

I have read the Left Behind series, both adult and juvenile. Personally, I enjoyed the adult books.The juvenile series is disappointing, but I didn't expect it to be great literature. I expected it to be enjoyed by the kids (who were asking for them; parents were, too.), and the series is. The kids who read the books love them, and we can't keep them on the shelves. Will I replace them when they wear out? Probably not because they aren't classic. But in the mean time......

Beverly Kirkendall

Youth Services

Hurst Public Library

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From: Sally Goodroe <sgoodroe@hcpl.net>

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Subject: Family literacy

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:57:08 CDT

Dear Pubyacers,

We have a fairly active ESL and basic literacy tutoring program for

adults and are wanting to incorporate more information and encouragement

for family literacy along with it. I know that often adults think all

children's books are easy to read (not so). Even what we consider

beginning readers may not be especially easy for new adult readers, I

understand. Does anyone out there with an adult literacy program

distribute lists of recommended trade books for new adult readers to

read to their kids? And since ESL students may not read well in their

own language, any recommendations for books that are easy to read in

Spanish? The trick, of course, is to choose books that are also great

books as well as easy to read...

You may reply to me directly. Thank you, as always!!

sgoodroe@stic.lib.tx.us

--

Sally Goodroe, Children's Specialist

Harris County Public Library, Houston

8080 El Rio Street, Houston, TX 77054

713-749-9031 FAX 713-749-9090

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From: Christine Hill <chill@willingboro.org>

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:10:41 CDT

Yes, we also do this, but only for children's applications,since we take people

to court for more than $50 worth of overdue books and parents are responsible

for their children's overdues. We designed the application so that they can be

filed with relative ease.

Christine M. Hill

Willingboro Public Library

One Salem Road

Willingboro, NJ 08046

chill@willingboro.org

My new book! Robert Ballard: Oceanographer Who Discovered the Titanic, Enslow,

1999

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From: Kim Flores <kimf@mail.orion.org>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: Help with a program

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:21:53 CDT

I'm doing a program about lions and would like some suggestions for fun

activities to do with the elementary age crowd. Our library mascot is a

lion and he will be attending the festivities. I plan to read some

stories and provide some facts about lions but could use your ideas

about crafts and activities. Please send directly to me and I will

compile a list. Thanks,

Kim Flores

Midtown Branch Library-Springfield MO

kimf@mail.orion.org

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From: "Heather" <heather@elgin.net>

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An area storyteller is looking for a "How the" folktale. It chronicles how

the tigers got its stripes but may not be titled as such. Here are the

details that she remembers. An old man lives in a treehouse. There is a

flood. The tiger initally tricks the old man and wants to eat him.

However, the old man ends up tricking the tiger when he rescues him from the

flood on the raft. He ties the tiger down then the sun beats down and dries

up the water and the tiger is left with stripes from the ropes. If anyone

has an idea where this story originates or remembers it from a single book

or a collection, I would very much appreciate some "leads".

Thanks you so much, in advance, for your help.

Heather Robinson

heather@elgin.net

St. Thomas Public Library,

St. Thomas, Ontario CANADA

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From: Tom Stuart <tstuart@wls.lib.ny.us>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: Re: Christian fiction or propaganda?

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Maggi Rohde asks:

>I haven't read the Left Behind books, but from the comments it sounds as

>though people are reluctant to provide these books because they're not

>very well written. Where do you draw the line between quality and

>popularity?

I don't think that there is such a line. Quality and popularity are among

(many) criteria for selection/evaluation. It seems to me that Tamara

Butler urges applying criteria consistently, not just when it stacks the

collection in a way we find comforting. I think that is a good idea.

Tom Stuart <tstuart@wls.lib.ny.us>

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From: Mark Gochnour <gochnm@mont.lib.md.us>

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:55:23 CDT

Hear! Hear!

Censorship can work both ways. That is the point of the first Amendment

Rights.

I was asked to review the Left Behind (YA) series for my library

department. The YA series is taken out of contest,was very episodic, and poorly

written.

I recommended that we not purchase them because I believe that they don't

make much sense without having read the adult series which I have enjoyed

immensely. However, they were purchased anyway.

Taking Revelations and other references from the Old and New Testament and

tying them together with "real" people albiet in a fictional setting

enables the reader to visualize the sequences of events which are written

there. In a way, the series is the reverse of historical fiction.

Speculative but not science fiction.

Mark S. Gochnour, M.L.S. <gochnm@mont.lib.md.us>

Agency Manager

Poolesville Library

Montgomery County (Maryland) Dept. of Public Libraries

The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of my

organization.

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From: "Mary Johnson (amk)" <mjohnson@wls.lib.ny.us>

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 19:06:59 CDT

Well said, Tamara! We do need to include all viewpoints in public

libraries, even those we personally disagree with. I haven't personally

had demand for this series - but I did have a lot for Stine when I

started out, so I bought them even though I didn't care for them much!

And I find it necessary to include "Mein Kampf" in our collection because

of its historical importance, though that's *really* a piece of viscious

trash.

Best wishes-

Mary Johnson, YA librarian, North Castle Library, Armonk, NY

mjohnson@wls.lib.ny.us

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From: "Vicky Smith" <vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: Re: Fair Labor Standards Act

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As I understand the Fair Labor Standards Act, the possession of an MLS

should have nothing to do with whether an employee is exempt or

non-exempt (from overtime compensation for hours worked over 40, which

is what I'm assuming you're talking about). The critical distinction

is whether an employee fulfills an administrative function. So a

supervisor or department head is generally considered exempt while an

MLS-holder who is not a supervisor would be non-exempt. There's lots

of stuff on the Internet on this--one page I found is:

http://www.flsa.com/Exempt.htm . Good luck

Vicky Smith

Children's Librarian

McArthur Public Library (207)284-4181

270 Main Street http://www.mcarthur.lib.me.us

Biddeford, ME 04005 vjsmith@mcarthur.lib.me.us

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From: Julie Linneman <juliel@wichita.lib.ks.us>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: Storytellers/message (long)

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 19:32:29 CDT

I have been following the thread about "Christian fiction or propaganda"

with interest, but in the meantime, I have run across an interesting

situation that I would like to hear from others about.

We hired a local storyteller, who happens to also be a teacher to do a

couple of children's programs for us this summer, based on the

recommendation of a staff member. (The staff member tells stories

professionally and runs a local storytelling group.) I went to the

program, and I must say that she was good at telling stories, but I was a

bit uncomfortable with the content. Her stories were all intended to

convey a moral message. The first story was a didactic tale about a sad

mouse who didn't like it when the other mice called him names. The second

story was "David and Goliath," a Biblical story, complete with

embellishments about David picking up the rock of faith and the rock of

wisdom, etc., and how "David was obedient to God," and how David prayed

for God to give him the victory. (I am a Christian who has taught Sunday

School, and it had much in common with the weekly Bible lessons we use

with preschoolers.) The next was an adaptation of Bear Hunt, except the

words had been changed to tell about "Harriet Tubman and the Underground

Railroad," how she was not afraid and she freed a lot of slaves. (Never

mind that the children may or may not have known who Harriet Tubman was or

what the Underground Railroad was.) The next was an African folktale about

why it is important not be lazy.

After the program was over, I spoke briefly with the presenter. She

thanked me for inviting her and said that she hopes she will be invited

back again next summer to tell even more stories.

Afterwards, I thought about the times I have observed the tellers from

this group. We hired another teller from this group two years ago, and

she also did a Bible story (I think it was Noah's Ark). A third teller

from this group acts as a library volunteer, doing a twice a month

storytime at a library that has no children's librarian and no other

storytimes. (These programs were at her request--she used to own an

African-American bookstore, and after it closed she apparently asked the

Library Assistant who runs the branch in her community if she could

continue doing her programs there; she was already doing them regularly

when I came, although up to that point the library had not promoted them

as a library program because the director was unsure if her programs might

not be religious in nature. I went to observe them, and while she

certainly makes sure that every story has a stated moral tacked on, they

were not exactly religious. Previously the director had heard of one time

when kids were writing letters to God during one of her programs. She

told me that she does not believe in promoting holidays during her

programs--she is Muslim--which I told her is not a problem for us, we

would never require someone to do a holiday program--but she states that

she wants all of her stories to promote morals and ethics, and she assured

me that she would not in the future be doing any religious programs, so

the library now lists her program with the others.)

I guess my squeamishness is whether other librarians have any feelings

about the appropriateness of Bible stories during library programs. No

one has ever complained, but with all the furor over public prayer, where

people often don't feel comfortable in a secular situation where the

direction takes a decidedly religious turn, where do libraries stand on

programming? Does anyone have programming policies that address content

issues? Has anyone else encountered situations where performers used

storytelling as a platform to advance certain agendas?

Please be kind in responding. I try to be fair in selecting storytellers,

and we all know how difficult it is to try to develop local storytelling

talent and to provide opportunities for them to practice. But on the

other hand, my initial impulse is to hire other storytellers whose

programs fit my idea of library programming better. I am concerned as to

whether there are those who would be offended by it (most of our community

is Christian, a few are Muslim or Jewish, all of whom accept the Bible

stories as part of their cultural heritage; but of course, there are going

to be some atheists and Hindus and Buddhists and Scientologists,

etc.--would they be offended? Would Christians be offended if a

storyteller told stories about Hindu gods or Buddhists told moral tales of

their faith? And where does storytelling end and preaching begin?)

I might add that I am a Christian--so it isn't that I object to Bible

stories in principle. Quite the contrary, but I wonder about the

appropriateness of using a book that is considered by many to be more than

just a book of stories as a book of stories?

When I asked other staff members, they thought maybe I am just overly

sensitive, and they had no problems at all with bringing kids to a

storyteller at the library and hearing Bible stories included, as long as

that was not the whole program, even with the parts about the "message" of

the story included (i.e., the reward of being faithful to God). [They were

not children's librarians.] And I guess that is ultimately what I am

wondering--am I just highly sensitive to this, in which case I can just

learn to ignore these fear impulses when a storyteller goes in this

direction? Or are these impulses a warning sign that this is a performer

who is out of touch with the goals of library programming? As a side note,

I might mention that I don't even do "Teddy Bear, Teddy Bear," because I

am uncomfortable with the line about say your prayers. (I once had a boy

in my Sunday school class who came to my preschool storytimes--he

inevitably would ask to sing "Jesus Loves Me" during storytime and do

"Five Little Monkeys" at church; I'd have to say, "Let's wait for Thursday

to do that," or "Let's wait and do that Sunday!"--I finally quit teaching

because I worried I was confusing some kids...I know, I know, I'm the one

with the problem...)

Just wondered if other people have come across anything that would shed

light on this issue. Sorry it's so long.

 

Julie Linneman

juliel@wichita.lib.ks.us

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From: "andrea " <juvserv@dialup.customnet.com>

To: pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: RE: Summer Reading Prizes

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 19:43:24 CDT

Please tell me there are some librarians that are THRILLED with their summer reading program enrollment...my is 45 and I'm psyched, especially because the school library is having summer hours this year for the first time!!!

Just had to put forth my SMALL library!

 

Andrea Terry

Libby Memorial Library

Old Orchard Beach, ME

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From: Esther Lewenstein <famous99@yahoo.com>

To: YALSA-BK <yalsa-bk@ala.org>, pubyac@prairienet.org

Subject: Harry Potter Article

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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 19:54:15 CDT

Despite the fact that I've been saying I'm sick of

Harry, I've also found that I'm somewhat addicted.

This morning I discovered an interview with J.K.

Rowling in Newsweek. It's available on the net at

http://www.msnbc.com/news/428200.asp?cp1=1

If that link doesn't work just go to newsweek.com it

should be available there.

Esther

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Brooklyn Public Library

Kings Highway Branch

2115 Ocean Avenue

Brooklyn, NY 11229

718.375.3037 x136

e.lewenstein@brooklynpubliclibrary.org

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From: JDICKEY <JDICKEY@cuyahoga.lib.oh.us>

To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>

Subject: RE: [Fwd: Christian Fiction or propaganda]

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What if the book is Annie on My Mind? Books that portray positive views of

gays/lesbians are FEARED by parents who feel exposure to such books will

warp their children. Yet we defend their inclusion in our collections (and

rightly so).

Maybe some of the kids, while eagerly reading "Left Behind", will find

themselves turned off by the intolerance promoted. We just don't know. If my

budget were very limited, I might reject the series IN FAVOR of books of

higher quality. Other than that, I think the "buy because patrons want them"

criterion applies.

By the way, there are copies of "Little Black Sambo" in my library system.

They are in non-circulating (reference) collections, probably held as

somthing of historical significance.

Janet

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Cuyahoga Cty. PL (suburban Cleveland)

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